Bug out bag

What's the point of this? Why not go ultralight backpacking and see what you need, and much more importantly how to use it and carry it.

>>34849808
>>34849827
This, I've hiked with 40lb alice bags for 3 day hikes before, and the guys going ultralight were blowing me out of the water, even the girls, because they only carried like 15lb bags.

Bugging out is a fantasy, bunkering in is the reality.

>>34849835
Ultralight backpackers are generally a bunch of granola muching pussies who seek legitimate shelter if mother nature gets to a point where anything less than 4 season gear will potentially kill you.

I'm all for lightening the load where it makes sense, but a 15lb pack for anything other than a day trip or thru hike on the relative safety of something like the AT is borderline retarded if legitimate survival is the purpose.

Also, "bugging out" and "bunkering in" are both good and retarded, it depends entirely on the context and circumstances.

>>34849827
Doesn't have to be ultralight but I agree that nothing beats spending a few days without the safety net of civilization to teach you what you truly need.

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>>34849808
>goretex top/bottom
>2 x poncho w/bunjees
>complete or incomplete sleep system
>extra socks/tshirts/ranger panties
>extra boots
>2 x 2qt and hydration system(camelbak)
>e-tool
>heavy duty garbage bag(water proof bag)
>zip locks
>all the extra food, water and bullets you can stuff in it

Source: 11 years of continuing blue cord service

>>34849835
>40lb alice bags for 3 day hikes before
>were blowing me out of the water, even the girls

You talk like a fag and your shit's all retarded.

>Bugging out is a fantasy, bunkering in is the reality.
Kind of. Bugging out is an option, bunkering in is ideal.

>>34849808
Forgot to answer your question.

There is no way at all to prepare for "SHTF of all possible forms." Context needs to be defined. Weather, season, length of time out in the wild/on your own, activities you will need to accomplish.

Speaking in general terms:
-Shelter suitable for the environment and weather
-Sleeping bag/clothing suitable for the environment and weather
-You should have the ability to treat water in three ways. Boiling, iodine and filtering. This will all depend on the water source, how long you have to collect it and how long you have to treat it.
-Medicine should cover specific needs first (allergies, long term treatment stuff), then more wear and tear stuff like ibuprofen and if going for extended periods high strength antibiotics (assuming you know when to use them and how to dose them).
-First aid should be in tiers. A booboo kit for treating and bandaging small stuff like cuts and scrapes. A trauma kit for serious stuff like deep punctures, arterial bleeding and GSWs. Immobilizing stuff to stabilize broken bones (splints, strong tape). You can improvise for the splints, for example wrapping a sleeping pad around a broken leg to help immobilize it.
-Food should be compact and high in calories/critical nutrients. Stuff like the peanut butter with dried fruits mixed in for warm months packs small and has a lot of bang for buck. Trail mix can provide energy. MREs don't pack that small but still have high caloric and nutritional content for their weight/size. Stay away from bullshit "emergency food bars" which are generally bricks of flour and sugar. Stay away from luxury camping food from folks like mountain house who are more concerned with taste and presentation than giving your body what it needs to survive in as compact a package as possible.
-TP is a luxury item, but is a necessary evil. I skip TP and use baby wipes as they can double as asswipe and general hygiene wipes, and can compress small.

>>34849808
the main requirements for a bug out bag are:
change of undergarments, rain gear, light source, 3 days of food, water with container, emergency first aid, 1 week of prescription medications, soap, and a fire starter (lighter and/or matches).

pretty much everything else is just weight. you can fit all this shit in a typical back pack. if someone saw you with a loaded up alice pack in a true SHTF situation, they'd knock your ass out and steal your shit. prep for the long haul with a vehicle in mind. instead of a pack use a duffle or two that you can stash in your vic. otherwise, you're gonna hurt yourself carrying your 50 pound pack trying to hike out those 20 miles a day.

>>34849808

>>34849935
(cont)
In general hygiene and at least keeping your hands clean is important. It's very easy to get extremely ill because you at with a hand that had ass residue on it.

More important than gear will be your knowledge and abilities. Knowing where to poop and how to keep your shit from rolling downhill in the rain and polluting your water source is important and easy.

Identifying poisonous plants and animals can save your life.

Knowing how to avoid encounters with other predatory animals can save your life.

Knowing how to get warm, dry clothes and gear, how to prepare shelters, etc can all save your life.

Knowing how to navigate and general orienteering can save your life.

Knowing when to hide, when to run and when to fight can save your life.

Not knowing the important things can negate any and all value the best gear in the world will give you.

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>>34849808
Can your truck gun fit inside your bug out bag?

>>34850066
yep

>>34849808
Here's what I carry in my bugout bag, which has since become my camp bag.
>2 Changes of clothes (Warm weather and Cold weather)
>2x 2qt water jugs with Iodine tabs
>Water filtration system
>1 life straw
>1.5qt camelback
>First aid kit
>Magnesium firestarter and matches
>Rice / MREs / Mountain House rations / etc for 3-4 days
>Folding trowel
>Camping hammock
>Mess kit and camp stove
>Sleeping bag rated for -60*F (NoDak get's cold)
>Emergency AM/FM radio (Solar / Crank powered with USB and AC adapter ports for charging electronics)
>Deck of cards
>Compass and maps
>Multitool
>Fixed blade knife
>All purpose camp soap
>Tinder box
>A couple rolls of camp TP

>>34850066
I am not an ass man but... God damn.
Also constructing a BOB depends on calorie load. Mine's kind of full of cosmic brownies at the moment...

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>>34849808
The basics include:
-Hydration tools and supplies (=WATER)
-Fire starting tools and cooking utensils
-Important and handy medical items (first aid, drugs)
-Hygiene supplies (soap, hand-desi, toothbrush, TP...)
-Spare clothes
-A good knife and/or a hatchet style chopping tool
-Illumination device (flashlight, headlamp, NV, oil lamp...)

The bag should not exceed 1/3rd of your own body weight.
½ weight is the absolute maximum.

>>34850215
>full of cosmic brownies at the moment...
you should remedy that. they expire you know. a fresh box should do.

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>>34849808
Okay, can /k/ advise?: cheapest/best ammo?
Something that can hunt deer...
I'm thinking, if I can hunt a deer with it, I can probably deter bipedal hostiles as well.
Advise of answer and all flaws in reasoning, pls.

>>34851026
Something that can hunt deer? 5.56. It's not humane but you can.

>>34851026
>spoonfeed me

no

How about you do your own research. Here, I'll even give you the right search term: "light weight deer rifle".

>And when is a bag considered too heavy?

Generally speaking all your gear shouldn't go much beyond 1/3 your body weight.

>>34851026
you can literally find .223/5.56, .308/7.62, 30-06, 7.62x39, 7.62x54 anywhere for cheap as shit. all are white tail worthy. i would strongly advise you to use hunting specific rounds though.

>>34851430
Yeah, that's why it's optimal to become morbidly obese and carry 200 lbs worth of gear.

Stop repeating this retarded bullshit.

this is what i carry

>Clothes
>Tarp/tent
>Sleeping bag
>Mat
>Headlamp
>Knife
>Food
>Water
>Water filter
>Stove
>Cup
>TP
>Toothbrush/paste
>glock 19 w/ 3 mags
>ziploc bag filled with extra 9mm

>>34851494
Calm down. It's a general rule.

>>34851582
Nah, it's a shitty rule, because it implies how much you can carry comfortably is a function of your body weight. This is false. Some people might be comfortable carrying well over 1/3rd of their body weight, some might not be comofrtable unless they carry way less than 1/4th.

It's like saying "Generally speaking you shouldn't lift more than 1/3 your body weight". I don't think I have to explain what's wrong with this statement.

How much you can carry comfortably depends on many, many factors. The only true way to determine that is to get all the gear you feel you will need, pack it and actually hike with it to your bug out loaction following your planned route. If you felt comfortable enough, great. If not, get rid of low-priority items or look for lightweight alternatives, then try again.

But I guess concepts such as "bug out location" or "planned route" or "actually going on a hike" is not something LARPers are interested in. Not that I'm implying you are one.

Anyways, for anyone who is serious about bugging out, I recommend reading this:

http://graywolfsurvival.com/66545/how-to-build-ultimate-25-pound-bug-bag/

The guys makes some really good points, I disagree on a few minor ones, but overall very good advice.

>>34851494
Gonna have to agree with this. The only rule general rule for being too heavy is when a pack prevents you from reaching waypoints in a timely manner, borders on shredding the pack/straps/zippers and/or causes severe pain under the weight.

That might be 40lbs for one guy and 120lbs for another.

You don't keep a BoB so you can run at the first sign of trouble. It's for when bunkering in isn't possible.

I keep 3 packs ready to go. An Alice for me a small AL frame for my wife and an ultralite pack for my daughter.

Mainly we just use them for backpacking.

We each carry a canteen and I carry a filter.
I carry the tent and cookware
a msr whisper lite and an AL cup.

My daughter has an esbit stove I gave her and a enamel cup.

Up till now all we've done is one to two day hikes. I'm getting them ready to do a week on the AT.

I dont own a bugout bag cuz I plan to curl up into fetus position and die when shit hits the fan.

>>34851954
The AT has some cool parts, but I've always been underwhelmed spending an extended amount of time on it (have done 15 days when I had a month off in between career a move).

You can definitely have some fun, weigh the merits of your gear and challenge yourself in more than a few ways...but it doesn't hold the same magic to me as even going well off the beaten path in a national forest and getting away from soiled ground.

I think it's just how populated/close to civilization a good portion of that trail is. Seems like there's shelters, roads, towns and groups of people around every bend a lot of the time.

>>34851430
I'm 230. A pretty fit 230. Never been into packs and what not but was thinking about starting one. 77lbs seems a tad excessive does it not?

>>34851954
>ywn prep for survival and have fun hikes with your loving wife and qt daughter
Why even live? [spoiler]greetings from /r9/k//[/spoiler]

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>>34849808
Regarding type, I'm gonna shill Cannae Phalanx. Good enough for Flanneldaddy, good enough for me.

>>34849861
>nothing beats spending a few days without the safety net of civilization to teach you what you truly need.

This. /thread

Both too light and too heavy suck, you either lack gear performance or body performance. Pack your bag, go out for a week(end), take notes while out if you have to and readjust your gear. 1 month and you know what you need, no need for such threads.

>>34852749

>wanting to have to babysit an adult roastie and mini roastie innawoods
>openly admit to posting on /r9k/, a board infested with fucking underaged normies and roasties
>trying to spoiler on a non-media related board

kys my man

>>34852674

Sure, but nobody is saying you have to carry 77lbs, just that you shouldn't go over that.

>>34849808
>>34849808
>>34849808

This is relevant, 66 SHTF PDFs.

uploadfiles (DOT GOES HERE) io/mgfba

Can anyone up this into another filesharing service? This site is just too shit and I can't download it.
Some anon posted this last night and the thread got quickly deleted
Password: K0mmando

>>34854251
bump because "brrtttppp" threads are not more important.

>>34849808
i have a bug out box in my truck-

>2 large backpacks
>gas mask
>water purification tabs
>camping stove + fuel
>waterproof matches
>fishing rod, lures
>seasoning salt
>trapping kit
>spear
>woobie
>hammock
>sleeping bag
>skinning kit
>water purification straw + extra filters

probably some other shit too but all id need to do when i bug out is grab my rifle/pistol/ammo and clothes n hop in the truck and go.

>>34849808

The concept of a bug out bag itself is somewhat misplaced for civilians. In military use, it is the basic gear that remains on the person after a firefight/mission goes south and everything has to be abandoned to escape ("bugging out"). These bare essentials on person have to be lightweight and are minimalist due to the nature of the situation.

A civilian who doesn't operate in an area far away where he has no prior access to, but who lives in a region for years and can move around freely has very different possibilities here. In fact, SF manuals recommend caching whenever possible to store materials, food, etc. so one does not have to carry around everything once the need arises.

This concept should be fully utilized by people trying to prepare for whatever emergency. You can already freely move around the area where you live, you don't have to carry it all around on your back, but can store things in various places (at home, in the basement/attic, in your car, at family and friends places, maybe coworkers, at facilities you use for hobbies/sports in a locker, in locked storage places and garages, in gardens and outdoor cabins, etc.), including underground and underwater caches, which require more preparation and site considerations.

If some emergency strikes, it is unlikely that you will be able to move around freely, let alone with a big bag on your back that yells "I GOT SHIT EVERYONE NEEDS". In fact, you'd want to look as poor and useless to people as possible, while having the most skills and resources on hand you can. It's called camouflage. It means blurring with the background, not standing out. It does not mean wearing patterned fatigues, those stand out in urban environments.

I know a great man people will now say "but I live in rural XY" or "everyone wears this here". Great. But you'd still look like someone who has an interest or investment in useful stuff, which makes you a target. The ultimate is normie/hipster/bum/construction worker.

>>34854251
>>34854251
>>34854251
I'll bump this nigger into outerspace.

>>34851693
Well it is considered 1/3 ir a regular human being who is not a bag of lard unable to hick but neither a SEAL. You are probably closer to the first kind so just ask your mum to carry your chicken tendies.

>>34854127
You seem fun.

>prepare it for SHTF of all possible forms.
you can't
>What do you put in it?
spare socks, a waterproof poncho, and nudie mags
>What water purification methods?
iodine tablets and sawyer filter
>What medicine?
fish amoxicillin, alcohol, aspirin, and antihistamines
>What first aid kit?
blister pads, bandaids, gauze, and tape
>What food?
peanut butter and dry soup mix
>What weapons/knives?
one fixed blade knife, one leatherman, one pistol
>How much toilet paper?
half a roll. the whole thing if you have space. in fact, put all this other crap in your bag, then fill the rest with TP
>And when is a bag considered too heavy?
When it's over 20% of your bodyweight

you're probably fucked anyway. either cache supplies in advance or bug in

>>34853775
>this glorified jansport doesn't have hip support, but they gave my favorite youtuber money

>>34849808
>Water
lifestraw, +4 USGI canteens, ferro rod, hobo stove, and 1 canteen cup for water containment, purification (boiling in canteen cup), and food prep. Total weight of water system (full): <10 lbs
>Medicine/trauma/FAK
Nitrile gloves, Tylenol, acetemetofin, antidiurreal, antihistamine, fish antibiotics, epi-pen (2x) and norepi pen (2x), suture kit, hydrogen peroxide, sunscreen, aloe vera, chap stick, gauze pads, Israeli bandage (3x), tourniquet (3x), tampons, triangle bandages, Band-Aids, airline vodka bottles, chest decompression needle, nasal-pharangeal airway, toothbrush (handle cut), baking soda, floss, nail clipper, razor blade (surgery, not shaving), hemostat, 12x caffiene shot (150-175mg). (All within carefully labeled small dose containers) total weight of meds <5lbs
>Food
1x jar peanut butter, 1lb beef jerky, 2lbs packaged hardtack/John Wayne's, 1 handful multivitamins, 2x lifeboat rations (2700 Cal packages) total food weight: <5lbs
>Weapons/knives
SOG Seal Pup Elite on weak side hip strap, Glock 19 (2 mags gold dot) on strong side hip strap, lightweight AR-15 w/ 1-6 variable scope in hands (6 mags FBI 5.56 load total, 2 on weak side hip strap, 3 in top pouches on alice pack, 1 in gun), Leatherman, clearing rod rubber banded to AR. weapons weight <15 lbs
>Toiletries/paper
1 roll of hella-ply toilet paper, laminated map of area, Gideon bible. weight: <1lb
>Shelter
Emergency survival blanket, USGI patrol sleeping bag, USGI bivvy sack, USGI waterproof sack. Weight <4 lbs
>Clothing/camouflage
1 pair flektarn fatigues, flektarn boonie cap, 1x black nylon belt, 2x bivvy roll (wicking t-shirt, compression shorts, synthetic wool socks), sturdy boots, camouflage face paint, Oakley pilot's gloves, interchangable lens eyepro (smoke and amber +microfiber cloth) clothing weight: <7 lbs
Morale items:
Hot sauce, pornography. Weight: <1 lb

>Total weight: ~53 lbs including worn items and alice

>>34857663
Samefag here

The above list is assuming a budget oriented stand-alone bugout kit for a relatively fit person.

Personally, I'd carry more (listed below) but I wouldn't be using an Alice frame, so the weight would total to ~60 lbs, and I'd be travelling with 1-10 others (depending on how much family was within easy walking distance) so some weight could be shared and many items (ie. Ferro rod, most of med kit, etc.) wouldn't need to be carried multiple times so weight could be shared.

>Honorable mentions
NIJ 3A vest
PVS 14 + batteries + 3A helmet
Pistol suppressor
IR illuminator + laser on pistol
Subsonic pistol ammunition
Waterproof poncho
Paracord (10 ft)
Even more NOD batteries
Micro red lens flashlight
Sharpie
Iodine pills
Camelbak
Thermarest

General guidance is that a pack should not exceed 33% of your weight assuming you are not a fat sack of shit, child, or woman. In those cases shoot for 20-25%

If a pack exceeds that percentage of your bodyweight you *can* carry it, but your risk of injury and rate of fatigue increase dramatically for every extra pound.

If you want better guidance and are willing to walk for a little while, here's a better standard: your pack is too heavy if you can't ruck 12 miles in 3 hours or less with it.

>>34857663
>>34857786
where's your giant red and white bulls-eye? wouldn't want to leave that out of your "i have a lot of neat stuff that makes me a target" layout.

>>34857811
"What is moving at night?"
"What is leaving your bag with a buddy to route recon?"

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>>34858001
>"oh no! an unforeseen consequence forces me to travel in the daylight without my friends! oh well. good thing i look like a tier one operator with my ar15, open carry glock, body armor, and filled to the brim 55 pound pack."

you forgot to add your duster to that list bub.

>Waterproof poncho
oh wait, there it is.

>>34857786
No food
No medical or first aid
No ass wipes
No sleeping gear
No fire making gear
But you can sure shoot people dead in low light conditions. Implying this scenario even requires protection from other people. Most likely will not. Just need pistol for self defense and possible hunting. You have an offensive set up. You're the reason I carry a gun.

>>34857663
>>34857786
>can do a chest decompression, but doesn't have an occlusive dressing
>3(!) tourniquets to treat bleeding severe enough to warrant tourniquet
>NPA but no BVM
>ghetto razor blade surgery kit lololol
>shelter system that is totes for real less than 4 pounds guys, seriously
>gun accessories out the wazoo
>took until your second post to realize cordage is a good idea
> soft body armor AND a heavy pack to ensure you will be slow, hot, and in pain
>plebian flashlight instead of patrician headlamp
>no sunscreen
>no bugspray
armchair operator who has never done an overnight without the car 10 feet away. 3/10 you tried

>>34849808
Anyone know of any good camping bags to start with for a bug out kit? Looking at an ALICE pack but I'm not too sure.

>>34858295
>Samefag here

You missed the other half of the post, despite them being consecutive.

Congratulations.

>>34860341
I did neglect to write down the chest seals, excuse the fact that I didn't unpack my FAK and wrote the post from memory.

"Anon that's WAY too many TQ's! ... What do you mean you're travelling with other people and are the only one with trauma medicine training?"

"Why would you ever want a super sharp blade you reserve for medical use that is effectively weightless?"

"One whole scope out the wazoo in core kit."

"Why didn't you write cordage in your core kit despite the fact that there was no category in OP that it fits under?"

"Why would a 180 lb person ever carry 60 lbs of gear in their kit?"

"Headlamp is totally superior to NODs, u guise"

"I can't read, apparently, because sunscreen is in the first aid kit category"

"Everyone in the world is a little bitch like me who cried over bug bites"

Your contribution has been noted and keks have been had.

>>34861202
your kit's pretty fucking childish dude. i doubt you actually have half the shit you list for your bug out. and if you actually do, you need to buy more shit and stuff it in there. gotta help out the economy so it won't collapse into the shit storm you're bugging out from.

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>"Ayo Jamal, that white boi over there got a big ass backpack on, bust his slow turtlin' ass wit yo glock so we can cop his shit"
If you look like a normal dude running away, people will leave you alone. If you're decked out in riot gear with a shotgun waddling down the street with an alice pack on your back, every nig will be on you like white on rice and you'll be an easy target.

>>34857663

Your weights are totally off, in particular your weapons and food. An AR (even a lightweight) + six fully loaded mags will almost run you 16 lbs right there.

>>34861969
>implying you even go near areas with high-density blacks

>>34861969
Not how it works.

You don't choose a vicitm that is a potential danger to you, you pick someone who is an easy target. No one in their right mind would try to start a fight with a group that is clearly better armed and prepared than them.

Or are you trying to tell us you are one of those "lone wolf" retards?

>>34861969
If your bugging out of a neighborhood like that then you should move or shelter in place until everyone else is dead.

Your money would be better spent fortifying your house/apartment.

>>34861974
S&W m&p 15 sport: 6.5 lbs
Primary Arms 1-6 acss +aluminum rings: 1.25 lbs
6x AR-15 mags: 6 lbs
Glock 19: 1.75 lbs
3x Glock 19 magazine: 1.5 lbs
Seal pup + Leatherman: 1 lb

Total 18 lbs, still not enough to put the pack over 60 lbs and 1/3 of my bodyweight, accordingly.

What I, personally, would go with is:
>3 days worth of food, preferably lightweight bar style food
>100 or so rounds of handgun ammo
>Handgun
>Suppressor for said handgun
>At least 3 magazines for handgun
>First aid kit with basic stuff like bandaids, gauze, splint, bandages, disinfectant(s), tourniquet, etc
>Flint and steel, lighter(s), water proof matches
>Change of clothes
>water bottle with a lifestraw and/or other water purifiers
>liquid caffeine
>compass and map
>sleeping bag and/or a bivy bag
>tent is optional
>Reliable knife and multi tool
And as for what I would wear...
>blue jeans or cargo pants. I would try to keep them looking worse off than anyone else's
>t-shirt with flannel shirt
>Beaten up boots. By beaten up, I mean the outside would be muddy, scuffed, scratched, etc. The inside would be unaffected. Also, they would be waterproof
>Beanie or boonie hat
>watch
>no jewelry
Basically, I would try to look like everybody else, but worse off. That way, most people wouldn't think I had stuff and wouldn't try to kill me

>>34863125
This was all off the top of my head by the way. I might have forgotten something.

>>34862054
>Not how it works.

yes it is

>You don't choose a vicitm that is a potential danger to you

ambush, fire superiority, strength in numbers, mob mentality

>No one in their right mind

niggers, anon. niggers

>start a fight with a group

individual, not group

3 Day Travel Pack
=================
1 All-Purpose Camp Soap
1 Binoculars
1 Camo Kit
1 Can Opener, P51
1 Canteen, Steel 32oz.
1 Camping Cooking Set (Esbit Cookset)
3 Clothing, Days (Sets)
1 Compass, Model 27
1 Dish Brush (MSR Alpine)
1 Entrenching Tool
1 Emergency Candle, 24-hour
1 Emergency Radio, Crank
3 Emergency Rations, Days (~3600Kcal)
1 Flashlight, Red
1 Fishing Kit
1 Firestarting Kit
1 Instant Coffee, Jacobs Kroenung Instant
1 Knife Sharpening Kit
1 Leatherman Multi-tool
1 Map, Local (MD, VA, WV)
1 Match Pack, waterproof
1 Poncho, Waterproof
1 Plastic Canteen, >32oz.
3 Liters, H20
1 100MPH Tape
1 100FT, Paracord
1 Reading Material, Medical
1 Reading Material, Survival
1 Shaving Kit
1 Small Pack Towel
6 Socks, Pairs
1 Solar Charger
1 Sleeping Bag, Waterproof
1 Survival Blanket, Foil/Waterproof
1 SAS Safety 7650-61 Respirator
4 SAS Safety 1001-00 Organic Vapors Cartridge
2 SAS Safety 7600-95 Lens Cover
1 Waterproof Writing Kit
1 Water Filtration Kit, LifeStraw
1 Water Purification Tablets, "Potable Aqua"
1 Wool Blanket

GL, anon.

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>>34861202
>too many tqs
yeah, when you can make a tq out of a cravat/tirangle bandage and those are good for other things too. also if you're traveling with other people, they should carry their own FAK
>razor blade
surgery in the field is usually more risk than it's worth, especially with box cutter reloads
>one whole scope
and IR illum, and NODs to go with it, and a suppressor, and a pvs 14, and subsonic ammo for the pistol
>cordage
OP asked what's in your bag you silly goose
>why carry a ton of weight
more weight=more slow. the 'out' in bug out bag is the operative term (this is my main gripe with your whole gear list btw)
>headlamps ARE superior
unless you're trying to sneeki breeki into a hostile area (dumb)
>actually has sunscreen
fair
>packs everything but the kitchen sink, yet won't tack on a few oz for some DEET
it's hard to sleep when mosquitoes are buzzing around your face. or if you get lyme lol

tl;dr you're trying to multiclass as a stealth infiltrator and a medic, and your 60lb pack is more dangerous to your knees and back than any of the threats you're preparing for.
>mfw you have 2 ways to shoot people in low light conditions but give away your position when you swat a mosquito

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why do people still recommend the lifestraw when the sawyer filter is objectively better? genuinely curious

>>34863723
Lifestraw is simply more popular and more in the public eye, is all.

>tendies
>box of barney plasters
>ammo

Literally all you'll ever need

A very under rated thing is bug repellent.
I recommend permethrin.
It can be applied to clothes and lasts 4 washs.
Its used on military uniforms.
I got a can of it and spray my cloths before I pack them, a good way of getting it is household bug bombs.
Bug bombs come in a few different flavors but the permethrin ones match my can of clothes spray ingredient to ingredient by the exact percentage.
I hope this helps, Id hate to get a parasite bourne disease in a SHTF scenario.

>>34862054
>SHTF situation
>Right mind

What type of air filtration should I invest in for me and the gf? Hardware store mask and filter or milspec mask and filter? Help a noob out bros. Infographs are much appreciated too.

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>>34851447
>7.62x54r anywhere for cheap as shit
no.
The only rounds I can find around at LGS are Winchester soft points at Dunhams for $30. I have ti drive all the way from muskegon to Grand Rapids to get actual cheap surplus $1 a round prices. I know I should buy online, but last time I bought online, my card info got swiped and some dude bought a Porsche over in new mexico. Reported it and got the money back, but it left me with a bad taste in my mouth ever since
>inb4 nice blog post faggalagalo

Off the top of my head, since my shit is all strewn about:

Long-tooth folding saw
Primary first-aid kit with Micra multitool
Two rolls extra ACE bandage
Boxing hand wraps because why not?
Claw hammer that's older than I am, 100% reliable
Hatchet
Mesh bags with pull strings
Whetstone
Hair ties or other elastic bands that don't snag like rubber bands
Zip Ties
Canteen
Cookies or sweet, dry foods

Doesn't sound great, but it's probably what I would grab if I had two minutes to prepare. I'd probably be trying to live in the side of someone else's house and stealing when I can considering my environment is urban, heavily populated relative to the state and close to downtown.

Even if I didn't steal, I can do fine with just water. Only issue is that I drink a lot of water fast. Whole glass per drink.

By the way, I was considering making a stealthy supply bag out of a guitar case. Aside from having to add a waist strap, any thoughts?

>>34849897
>extra boots
This. Some of my friends always get bootyblasted when I bring an extra pair, but it's actually great.

>>34863806
This. Tick borne illness will fuck up your world. Late wife had Lyme, tick fever and post-Lyme syndrome. It was heartbreaking to watch and contributed to her early passing.

Use Permethrin for clothes and DEET on your skin, the nasty G.I. cream and Chigg Away work well and are DoD recommended.

If you camp with loved ones, make fucking sure they are protected and apply the repellent yourself (it's the loving thing to do) or have them apply to each other since it's not as easy as it may seem to treat your own neck and back.

All tick infested areas are bad news. That includes all of North Carolina so if training at Bragg etc cover your ass lest your life be fucking ruined.

Never wear shorts innawoods. Tie your blousing straps. Treat your uniform. Never neglect that shit. Permethrin your hats and caps too. Got a doo-rag? Hit it with DEET or Permethrin.

In most real world SHTF-is-normal situations (Africa etc) militias survive while going solo just means you are vulnerable. Bug out is for travel. Survival is a team sport.

>>34867882
Good idea because SHTF may end boot production and you won't be able to buy spares.

>>34868881
more like for when you're feet get wet after trudging through knee deep water. changing out your boots and socks for dry ones will keep you from blistering.

>>34868917
That too, but resupply of footwear could be problematic for a long time even inna natural disaster.

Since my shoe size won't change I buy boots well in advance and break them in. I have seven pair ATM, mostly old style deserts because comfy but a couple pair steel toe lineman style combat boots since I'm a mechanic and welder. If bugging in long term I'll be fixing and building shit.

The Syrians who set up primitive petrol production plants from waste oil and plastic show what man can do in SHTF. You may need to do this too so the vidyas are worth a watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFMNIoZGlWc

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>>34868983
or i could just make moonshine with my still and use it to fuel my shit.

>>34868850
What would you recommend to someone like me who can't use deet because it makes my skin literally feel like it's on fire?

>>34868983
>I have seven pair ATM, mostly old style deserts
Lindybeige is that you?

>>34865358
Replace the hammer and hatchet with an Estwing roofing hatchet. Justify the hand wraps or replace them with an equivalent weight of bandannas. Add some Bic lighters and a couple of contractor grade trash bags.

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>>34865173
Civ respirator with P-100 filters should meet most of your needs. Half mask is more versatile/less bulk, full face has better protection. If you really have the paranoia bad, you can get pic related with a P-100 prefilter to protect you against everything that doesn't kill by skin contact.

>>34857663
>>34863125
>tourniquet
There won't be any hospitals to go to if shtf. What exactly do you intent to do after applying a tourniquet?