The M27 IAR.

>>34847229
various generals, gunners, etc all fight and lobby for their own shit to maek money i suppose.

like whens the last time you guys used a whistle ? A WHISTLE?

Someone fucking explain this to me.
>hey guys
>let's replace the RPD
>y'know, our heavy belt fed machine gun
>with a glorified AKMHB
i know the russians still use the SKS, so they don't have automatic firepower with every soldier, but how is this better than the RPD?

Its lighter and takes the same mags. New production SAWs dont. The SAWs aren't gone either, they're just taking a backseat until we get into a real hot insurgency again.

>>34847291
shouldn't the m27s be used for insurgencies while the saws used for non banana wars?

http://soldiersystems.net/2017/08/13/usmc-issues-notice-of-intent-to-sole-source-up-to-50814-m27-iar-from-hk/

The Corps wanted a new service rifle, pretended they needed a SAW replacement, /k/ called bullshit on day 1, Corps says the M27 is to supplement SAWs, finally admits they just want new rifles.

That's pretty much it. They still have all the SAWs that aren't clapped out, they still use them as intended. They do shit like this all the time

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First off, the M27 is a SAW. You fuck faces just automatically correlated M249 with SAW. I bet you think it fucking cuts down trees like a SAW too.

Second, the Marines want to increase mobility of a whole squad. The M27 is light and uses the same mags as the rest of the squad. So if the M27 gunner goes dry, other members who haven't been as engaged and throw over mags and boom, business.

M249s are still in service, stop sperging.

I'm more interested in the Marines taking this route while the Army is talking about adopting a 7.62 rifle while Congress is demanding that the services standardize their mass issue ammunition.

>>34847229
The USMC isn't replacing the M249 with the M27. The USMC is adopting the M27 as its service rifle.

>>34847847
The US Army isn't adopting a 7.62 rifle as its primary service weapon.

>>34847229

Because HK knows how to grease palms.

They love to expand their contracts far beyond their original intention... such as turning the subcontract for the OICW underslung G36 into the XM8 rifle that would have replaced the M16/M4 for the entire army.

Back then opening it up to competing bids killed the XM8. Looks like they're trying to get around any other pesky companies underbidding them this time.

>>34847948
>such as turning the subcontract for the OICW underslung G36 into the XM8 rifle that would have replaced the M16/M4 for the entire army

You say this like it would have been a good thing.

>>34847994

It would finally put an end to all the fucking "XM8 is the greatest, why didn't we adopt it" threads.

Well OP you got to think back to WW2 and remember what weapon made a piss poor LMG but was at times pressed to do that task when you didn't have a .30cal or .50cal team for base of fire support.
That's right people a bunch of old folks brought the B..IAR back into modern service.
Oh well its not like you niggers don't have the money for that kind of drop in the bucket spending on a new infantry weapon system.

Haven't really followed all the hubbub about the IAR.
>Does it actually work for its given task?
>What round count Mags does it use?

>>34847229
What model peq is that? Its not a 2 and its not a 15, doesnt look like a 16 either.
Automatic rifles are dope as fuck, obviously theyre not replacing 249s just giving the squad some more firepower.

>>34848893
It's a 15

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>>34848959
Are you sure? Because pic related is a 15, notice how theres a more central circular button and the selector switch is closer towards the back than in OPs pic. I suppose there couldve been an update or different version but id expect that to have a separate designation.

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>>34848959
no

>>34848982
its a 16

>B-but muh magazine sharing
>Even though the M249 could take M16 mags too

This is just another excuse for the marines to get their own snowflake equipment in a vain attempt to justify their continued existence as a branch of the US military.

The Marine Corp is a joke and their assets should have been absorbed by the three real branches a long time ago.

>>34849013
Weird, i thought the 16 looked different than that, but i dont see them that often either. Thanks for the clarification.

>>34849058
only the marines use them to my knowledge, and even then the 15 is more common in their hands. its a shit laser box that should have never been made

>>34847290
kek

>>34848876
The BAR got used because we already had so many left over from dubya dubya one, and we already had the factories to produce it by the time dubya dubya two was kicking off. Plus the depression happened so we were cheap. It wasn't because we liked the BAR. The IAR is like if we had the M1919 in wide spread service, and we decided to adopt the BAR in it's place.

>>34849104
What dont you like about it? Ive never handled one so ive got some questions. Is that a legit flashlight, im assuming the three in that circle are visible/ir laser and ir illuminator. The smaller swith seems odd and the battery compartment seems off, does it still use cr123s?

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>>34847229
Poor excuse to replace the M16A4

>>34847229
it was about the amount of ammo per enemy casualty, i was just on my way out the door when they were first introduced to 3/3 i believe was the first unit.This was the start of the free floating barrel boners. Anyways the IAR changed the doctrine of light machine guns. No more barrel changes and blurred the line between point and area target.

>>34848008
There wasn't much improvement besides the new sight right ? It seems to me that besides the sight, it functions the same as an AR. I really can't see the added benefit of changing out an entire infantry rifle, service wide, if there's no added benefit behind just a new sight.

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>>34849015
Show us on the doll where the Marine touched you anon.

>>34849015
lol cry more

>>34849248

Kind of sums up the whole M27 in the first place.

>>34847229
Outside of weight, there isn't any real advantage at all. The marines are trending towards a different direction compared to the rest of the armed forces and they wanted a rifle that could come along with it.

>>34850535
Yes the USMC is being very snowflake for wanting their own rifle instead of adopting the M4A1.

>>34849248
Full auto vs burst, different stocks and shorter ff handguard for the easily swappable parts.

Then heavy barrel and I think they're piston systems so you could tack the handguard on this list also.

>>34847229
0311
We still have SAWs but their issued on a sorta as needed basis, no more 1 per fireteam that the IAR does now. This might seem like a great loss of firepower, and it should be but 99% of our SAWs are so worn to shit that you would sling more lead out of an m27 (hell probably even an m4, all the grunts switched out of the m16a4 last year) and be more mobile. They were given to our 0331s for a bit since it was thought that since they have more expertise they could make em work better. Funnily enough they tried it twice and half the SAWs broke so bad that they had to stop the range both times and go all the way back to the armory to get more. We did get a working SAW like twice and everyone loved it. Also word is the m27 might be our next service rifle, which is nice since there very popular to have.
tl;dr
Saws are worn to shit, IARs allow greater mobility. We still have SAWs

>>34851565
Sounds kindof like the old M60's. Guys who had them first loved them, flawed as they were and then they were kept far beyond their shelf-life to the dismay of anyone who had one in their squad.

>>34847290
Underrated

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>>34847291
Saws take m16 mags...

-LSW operator

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If only some other Army had already tried this so we could see how effective it was.

Or maybe they already have but discovered it was so shit they immediately dropped it and ordered some Minimis.

>>34847290
I'm still not really sure why they did it.

I get that the PK series was around but surely going from the RPD to RPK was just a massive downgrade in power

>>34847229
Well to add onto the thread, while replacing the SAW with yet another AR derivative is a bit dumb, the concept of accuracy over mass of fire suppression isn't new.

The Soviets actually fielded the Dragunov rifle as a long-ranged suppressive fire weapon at the platoon level. If it hits anything, great. If not, it's suppressed the enemy by putting a bullet within inches of his torso.

As a firearm it's not much different than other semi-auto rifles, but in role it's got a lot in common with a commando mortar or a grenade launcher.

>>34847818
M249 can use STANAG mags ya tard

>>34855306
didn't notice ten other people said this also

>>34853579
The RPDs they had were worn the fuck out, it didn't make much sense to have an LMG that was only good to around 250m from prone due to how high they had to crank the ladder sight to land area fire beyond that, and 7.62x39 is heavy enough the gunners could only carry 2-3 belts for it.

I don't really know why they made 7.62x39 versions of the RPK, but the RPK74 was pretty fucking good.

>>34851780
I started my service with the latest iteration of air-60's (M60E3). They're lighter than an M240G, and despite most of them being ~20 years old I never once had one jam. I cannot say the same when they finally took them from us and gave us the original M240, we had so many fucking issues with that thing when it first came out it was sickening.

>>34854371
The USMC isn't replacing the M249 with the M27.

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The benefit is it looks like an M4, so automatic riflemen are less likely to become priority targets. Sucks to suck when the first guy dead is the one with the most casualty producing weapon.

>>34847229
It's not defensively. It's better for mobility. Also USMC has it doing two specialized roles with it being both DMR and ARman. It is to say they want it, but can't afford it to replace the existing hand me down service rifle.

>>34849144
Muhreens are starting to not use A4's anymore. They only so do it for DM roles much like the M14 before phased out by M110.

>>34855306
not as reliably

Why not give SAWs to the whole unit?

>>34857471
More expensive, less mobile/fuckton more weight.

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>not just replacing the SAW with belt fed ARs

>>34847290
>Someone fucking explain this to me.
Well Degtyaryov was dead l Kalashnikov was not.

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>>34847229
How america can even compete?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hjfqkg7qVpY

>>34854371
Fun fact: soviet army didn't have doctrine of suppressing fire using small arms.

>>34849971
Right here, on my defense budget.

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>>34847229
Because we're so obsessed with range that were willing to meme a new 7.62 general issue rifle into existence, why not just do like the russians/soviets and actually issue DMRs more alongside m27s and a gpmg that doesn't weigh 5 pounds more than its contemporary in the lightest form? I feel like it's one thing russians got right atleast.

>>34858855
What? There are accounts of the svd atleast of it being useful for keeping guys down from far away, and if that were true it makes no fucking sense for why the PKM and RPK's were issued so widely.

>>34847229
>i know the marines still use the M16A4, so they don't have automatic firepower with every soldier, but how is this better than the SAW?

They just wanted new shit without having to go through the Army's hand-me-down bin again, and with Mattis in charge, his Muhreens can get their special snowflake toys with little question. I cannot recall a single case since WW2 where a box-fed LSW has had an advantage over a belt-fed one, if we can even call the M27 an LSW with a straight face.

>>34859314
PKM was not "issued widely".
RPK has much high probability of hit against point target from bipod than AK has off-hand. But americans can't into automatic weapons and are cucked by FOPA so they can't understand this quality. They think automatic fire is for spraying to scare enemy off.