China to Likely Induct New Aircraft Carrier Ahead of Schedule

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>>34838824
https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2017/august-2017-navy-naval-forces-defense-industry-technology-maritime-security-global-news/5468-construction-of-china-s-2nd-aircraft-carrier-for-plan-progressing-faster-than-expected.html

>Construction of China's 2nd Aircraft Carrier for PLAN Progressing Faster than Expected

>Black smoke at the chimneys was spotted for the first time on 18 May 2017, less than a month after the second Chinese aircraft carrier was launched (Photo: 西北狼 216)

Already testing the powerplant, just a few month after launch.

>>34838824
>Ramp

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> burgers right now
> b b but muh commercial specs
> but muh rite of navigation
> b bBBBUT MUH DOOR.MEMES

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>>34838843
>Studies of the flow of the aircraft carrier according to the roll level of the ship.

Ramps makes it super aerodynamic, according to simulations.

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>>34838843
>B-b-but MUH RAMP

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>>34838845
You forgot the best one yet:

>MUH "NAVAL TRADITIONS!"

>>34838824
>it took them this long to retrofit a old ass warship
Super impressed, have a yuan, on me.

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>>34838830
>China is actually planning to build a 3rd aircraft carrier (at least), this time in CATOBAR configuration but still with a conventional (non-nuclear) propulsion system.

>Two catapult systems, one steam and the other electromagnetic, are currently being evaluated at the Xincheng Aircraft Training Center.

>The Jiangnan Changxing Shipyard in Shanghai is also in the process of expanding its facilities to prepare for the launch of the project. First steel cut may have already taken place.

>This 3rd aircraft carrier could join the Chinese Navy by 2022 to 2023, according to East Pendulum's latest estimate.

The EMALS equipped CATOBAR carrier probably will also be ahead of schedule now.

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>>34838859
This one was built from scratch, tho.

Jane's posted all the satellite images.

>>34838824
>4 posters
>7 replies
>there apperently is
Samefag is real.

>>34838824
ah the end of american naval dominance finally

>>34838864
It won't be emals.

EMALS is slated for the type 003.

>>34838866
>3 years construction
>1 year of fitting out and test
>2 years ahead of schedule

holy shit.

Here you see the difference between China and india. india's indigenous carrier, the Vikrant, was started in 2009 and was launched in 2013. After the first launching, the Vikrant was launched 2 more times. Now it is being fitted out but nobody knows when it will be completed. Originally it was expected to be commissioned by 2020. Now it look like it will be good if it could finish fitting out by 2023.

Type 001A began construction in 2013, launched in 2017 and will be commissioned in 2018. It took about 4 years to build and 5 years to commissioning. The Vikrant would have taken some 14 years from start to commissioning as it is expected as of now. Nobody knows for sure if the Vikrant could actually be in service by 2023. And remember that Vikrant is only 40,000 tons while the Type 001A is some 70,000 tons and some 53 meters longer.

This is why China will be able to destroy india in any kind of war, land sea or air. China should take the opportunity over the standoff in Donglang to defeat india and take back all its territories stolen by india. China will set the captive states in india's north-east free, help Pakistan take back Kashmir and ultimately help the southern part of india to be independent. This will change the map of south Asia and enhance the national security of China. It will also allow China to maintain leadership in the entire Asian-African region. This will ensure China's lead in economic expansion and global leadership.

>>34838824
real talk, will these things be able to actually project force, or are they just a training tool/fleet in being to buff up china's regional influence?

>home grown
>literally a modified copy of their current Russian one
Ah yes.

>>34838901
with a second carrier, China would be able to deploy one of them more regularily than they are doing now.

China's Liaoning actually spends quite a lot time doing excercises, despite being their sole carrier. With a second one, China could maintain a permanent presence around their region and at the very least up to Djibouti, where they have their new supply base.

>>34838901
It's Chinese, they'll probably keep it afloat but it'll barely be operational.

>>34838824
One and a half to two years for training and shakedown is standard.

2020 induction still seems likely, if it is being handed over to the navy in 2018.

>>34838914
>With a second one, China could maintain a permanent presence around their region and at the very least up to Djibouti, where they have their new supply base.
china can project force out to east africa?

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>>34838915

Their sole carrier already showed that it can operate an air-group. Maybe not with the efficiency of the USN, but at least enough to take on weaker regional navies alone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4y0X4yY1o8c&t

>>34838924
They do so up to the Baltic Sea.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/19/royal-navy-scrambles-shadow-chinese-warships-english-channel/

>>34838930
What the fuck is their competition you fucking idiot? No one there has a functioning navy and relies on the US for support.

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>>34838943
Sure, a comparisson is unfair, but China's PLAN itself aims to compare itself with the USN by their own admission.

They dont aim for "British-like" or "French-like" capabilities, but for USN standards.

>>34838950
>They don't aim for "British-like" or "French-like" capabilities, but for USN standards.
Makes sense to emulate the best.

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>>34838824
Fresh off Twitter:

AESA Panels are getting installed.

>>34839128
>not modular

OLD

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>>34839182
It was a module, tho.

The Type 001A is a STOBAR aircraft carrier with minimal risky new technology to integrate. It even uses steam turbine propulsion rather than more modern IEP propulsion. This isn't a knock against the carrier, its purpose is to build PLAN institutional expertise in carrier operations as quickly as possible, so getting another simple carrier into the water and out to sea as fast as possible is the exact purpose it is meant for.

the interesting part will be how quickly China gets a CATOBAR carrier with capable air wing operational.

>>34839186
NOT. MODULAR.

Also it's not a true DBR like I see shitposted. Each band has its own transmitter.

>>34838950
They are also content to be patient and not blow resources on a wasteful crash program. Only now is China's naval expansion kicking into gear.

>>34839198
DBR cant exist due to the simple reason of inteference. Even two different radars near each other will intefere with each other, not to mention two bands using the same radar. This is just not possible.

What they mean by dual band is that the Type 055 (and not the 001A) has AESA radars for S and X band, and potentially another conformal set for meter-wave - not that all bands are in one radar.

>>34839200
>not blow resources on a wasteful crash program.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_22_missile_boat

>Inb4 IT'S DA GREATEST THING EVER

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>>34839218
The Type 022 is a great FAC. What are you talking about?

It was just recently used in the Yellow Sea excercise again.

>>34839234
>What are you talking about?
FACs are a wasteful, ultimately useless cash program.

>>34839239
Which is why even traditional naval powers like Japan use them in large numbers?

FAC are good fire support platforms in the littorals when they are protected by air cover. Each of them has the firepower of a frigate.

>>34839242
>Each of them has the firepower of a frigate.
Joke.

>Which is why even traditional naval powers like Japan use them in large numbers?
Because they are a cheap way to increase hull numbers.

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>>34839292
022 has 8 AShM and most frigates also have 8 AShM.

USSR launched 3-4 carriers right before death

>>34838888

Not hard when on a war economy style planning where you just buy a preestablished blueprint with no actual new tech.

It's like saying 'I bet we couldn't build a Kittyhawk in a few years if we threw money at it and brought in every potential ship engineer and welder we could'.

PLAN

People's Liberation Army Navy?
The Army Navy?
Really?

>>34839308
Firgates firepower is more than just missiles.

Fantastic. So is this the point at which we can all finally admit that the Chinese have surpassed the British navy in all respects are closing in on America's place as the world's most capable navy?

>>34839339
what about PLANAF?
People's Liberation Army Naval Air Force

>>34839195
>It even uses steam turbine propulsion rather than more modern IEP propulsion.
Thats because they want a 30kt+ carrier.
If you want 60,000 tons to move at 30kts you need steam turbines.

>>34839239

China is currently a green-water navy with aspirations of being a blue water navy. Considering that like many of China's state owned enterprises, their naval shipyards need busy work to not sit idle, FAC and OPVs are a reasonable choice for contesting the South & East China Seas. With numerous small islands and civilian boats to confuse matters, small stealthy craft have many opportunities to threaten naval & logistic shipping with their AShMs and nuisance-minelaying potential. The simple possibility of individual mines in an area has a disproportionate cost to deal with

>>34839387
Go to bed Chang

>>34838847
According to Chinese simulations. That doesn't make much sense either and since the Chinese have stated frequently that they won't be having ramps on their next-gen carriers. So whatever "super aero-dynamic" (not likely since the ramp just creates more surface area for wind to contact the hull) means it isn't worth having on their next carriers.

>>34838824
>rushing the fitting out

Surely nothing bad will come of this.

>>34839242
>Which is why even traditional naval powers like Japan use them in large numbers?

Except they don't.

>>34838938
Wouldn't call that force projection exactly. It would be like saying a 5'2" light weight could go toe to toe with a 6'6" heavy weight just because he has enough reach to punch the guy. The Chinese can't "project force" in any meaningful manner in NATO waters.

>>34839487
>their naval shipyards need busy work
Aka, cash programs.

I'm not saying the economic value of it is nothing, but saying China does not have such programs is retarded.

>>34838824
It's literally a carbon copy of a ship design that had existed for decades.

Lol. I love watching chink shills get burned.

>>34839523
It's not exactly rushed considering they commissioned the a similar ship 4 years ago, this is only 1 year earlier than previously expected, and the average USN carrier only took 2 years to commission as well.

Maybe this is a case of purposefully setting achievable goals so that you can claim success when you beat those goals.

>>34839562
There are some significant design changes to it. Nonetheless, since it is the same class that makes commissioning simpler.

>>34839695
Hasn't the Gerald Ford taken like 8 years.

>>34838859
Are you retarded?

>>34838893
The sat photos show start of construction in 2015.

>>34838915
Nigga are you this fucking stupid?

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>>34839551
wait till China upgrades their harbor in Greece into a military harbor.

Just like how Djibouti will end up as a fully fledged base, that already allows them a permanent presence in the Gulf of Aden.

>>34840217
wont NATO flip their shit

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>>34838824

The additional 055 Escort Cruisers are also coming along nicely just some hundred meters besides the carrier in their dry dock.

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>>34840232
Well, in Djibouti, China's base lies just beside the Japanese and American one.

>>34839239
To the US, yes. Think about the potential conflict zones for china.

You need to stop being a fucking retard.

>>34838824

Off the top of my head, there are the Virginia class submarines. Under budget and ahead of schedule. And those are much more complicated than a soviet tier ramp carrier.

>>34839979
>new design
>new tech
>built at retirement replacement speed

>>34840243
this is directly on european soil
it would be amusing nonetheless though

also keep an eye out for the H-20: thats the new thing along with the J-18 that might or might not come out in the next 2-3 years

>>34839332
You can't. You really don't understand.

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>>34840217
>those buildings
>that architecture
>those ChiCom Beijing-style street lamps

Holy fuck. China really turns their base into little Beijing.

>>34839520
>creates more surface area for wind to contact the hull

That's not how air friction works, you retard. What is boundary layer condition?

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>>34840240
Why is she so perfect.

>>34838845
Whatever makes you feel better.

>>34840217

>bases in the middle of the mediterranean (only two access points) and in africa
>no bases out at sea where such an investment goes much further

Why do you think America has Hawaii, Midway, Guam, Puerto Rico, Diego Garcia and more? It's not because they're close to anything important, it's because they are in the middle of fucking nowhere which makes it an ideal base for larger operations. Ditto for England and the Falklands.

>>34838871
>1 new carrier
>end of American naval dominance

>>34840274
Can't argue with their adherence to a recognizable aesthetic.

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CATOBAR model

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>>34840433

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>>34840439

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>>34840442
navalized Li Jian/Sharp Sword UCAV

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drones are a X-47 china calls the sharp-sword/利剑

likely a backburner project, currently running on some russian engine: may be switched over to a chinese one when they get their operational hours up

>>34840217
The Djibouti base is part of the new silk road through Pakistan.

>>34840433
>>34840439
>>34840442
>>34840450

>just copying US designs

desu I want them to do it so we can get newer shit sooner

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>>34840485
Satellite images indicate that the development of that UCAV is now moving into a similiar design as the X-47B.

>>34840395

This is more or less the Chinese preparing for the inevitable scenario where Kim Jung nukes the entire US Pacific fleet, paving the way for China to dominate the Pacific for the next 100 years while the US administration is figuring out how to commission their replacement fleet from Russia as a costsaving measure.

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#firstworldproblems

China runs out of pennant numbers!

>>34839318
Back then the US was a creditor nation, USSR a debtor nation. Today US is a debtor nation, China a creditor nation.

>>34841161
And?

Sovereign debt is a non-issue.

>>34841190

You're only saying that because you're not white.

>>34841190
So what was the reference to the USSR supposed to convey?

>>34840251
For potential conflict zones actual corvettes at a minimum would be a far better investment.

Please, stop being a fucking retard.

samefag pls

>>>/pol/

>>34840433
>No smokestack

Is it going to be nuclear powered?

>>34840296
>128 VLS

Chinese lies and slander.

>>34840296
Because it's on paper and hasn't been built to China QC standards yet. I hope you like aluminium replacing copper in every wire.

>>34840579
It's bullshit.

If it was actually in development they would have parked it in a hanger. Just like when they had an "F-117" parked outside a hanger.

Either that or they are extremely incompetent.

>>34841231
No idea.

>>34841208
I'm pasty as fuck.

>>34838824
A fucking ramp, AHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

>>34841244
What's wrong with using aluminum wire, as long as you use enough of it? Aluminum wires have to be thicker to carry the same amperage, but they are cheaper for a wire that can carry a given amperage. Power transmission high-tension wires are aluminum for this reason.

>>34838824
>New Aircraft Carrier
>new
>a retrofitted Soviet-era Admiral Kuznetsov-class
>retrofitted

>>34841345
>what is reading

Could a Russia + China naval team up beat all of the NATO navies (minus the USN)?

>>34841331
Aluminum (non conductivity) rusts and is far more easier to general to crush. It also expands and contracts more which can cause it to work itself out of terminals and whatnot.

The last problem is not a major issue with newer lines, but on a ship the former 2 problems are pretty big. Shit will rust quick, and for damage control purposes I would much rather have copper.

>>34841379
No

>>34841331
Because they won't re-gauge the wire when they make the swap so the wires will fit in the same compartments and conduits.

Because aluminium wire makes twice the waste heat as copper.

>>34841234
>potential conflict zones
do you know how fucking close Taiwan is to the mainland?

Can you stop being a worthless sack of shit and actually pick up a fucking map?

>>34841379
They don't have the money to do so.

I mean, being number 2 and 3 is great but NATO is like everything else.
The whole comparison is pointless. Money is what decides wars and we simply have way more of it.

>>34841405
It has nothing to do with the range differences, triple nigger.

>>34840295
Something that you clearly don't understand. Throwing out jargon only makes you look like a bigger prick. Once again it's shit and they're abandoning it because it's shit.

>>34841415
it has everything to do with ordinance in theater, dumb shit.

>>34841419
funny, I used to model laminar flow CFD using matlab. Now tell me how many times you flunked out of high school physics.

>>34841422
>the only number that matters is the missiles

Brainlet.

>>34841440
>because a 2000 ton corvette's marginal improvement in surface search and targeting outweighs a drastic increase in launch vessels in a network centric force.

You're dumb as shit.

>>34841388
Makes sense, thank you. Now that I think about it, modern cars have a shitload of wiring in them and it's all still copper. Automotive engineers are always under huge pressure to reduce weight and cost but if they still use copper there must be good reasons for it, and the considerations in a car are not too different from a ship.

>>34841464
>relying solely on off board measures to launch missles
>what is defensive armament
>what is DC

Yeah, I'm the dumb shit.

>>34841400
Well if they don't re-gauge the wire they are idiots and deserve what they get. I know they cut corners everywhere they can in China but I wonder if the builders try that shit on military contracts. Seems like a good way to get your organs harvested and your corpse filled with plastic and put on display in a Bodies exhibit in a museum somewhere.

>>34841400
If you do re-gauge the resistance will be the same and the waste heat will be the same.

>>34841477
Yes, you are.

>>34841499
and the waste heat will be the same.

Not entirely true, but it's simular.

>>34841516
>no argument

OK. Keep believing in your bog hammers you dumb shit. I hope your nation builds a trillion of them.

>all of these retarded Europoors in here

Why does China make them so insecure?

>>34841492
They cut corners everywhere. The only people that get in trouble for it are sacrificial idiots that eat all the blame, but most of the time the this bullshit isn't caught by anyone that isn't getting bribed until it fails, and by then the company is dissolved and the records are a confused mess.

>>34840547

With what money?

>>34840380

You do realise that Diego Garcia isn't actually yours don't you? It's British, part of the BIOT.

>>34841535
>your nation
key, I'm american, dumbass. I just couldn't let you spread your stupidity here unchecked.

>>34841577
Fuck, might as well be.

IIRC, brits just hold a few buildings on the island the rest is just full of US shit.

>>34841562
>They cut corners everywhere
not on military contracts. Really bad for you.

>>34841599
Cool story.

>>34841611
>Cuts corners on their highway systems, quite litterally a matter of national security.

I believe you!

>>34838845
china doesn't have enough ships or experienced navy men to field 2 carrier battlegroups in combat operations.

if shit really got serious. the USA could probably have 9 carrier battlegroups out in combat operations at once for 6-8 months. Longer if we have friendly ports near by and secure logistics train from the USA.

>>34841611
Not really. Government jobs just have inspectors to watch inspectors and try to make it more expensive to bribe people then to do it right, but it's the same dance as everything else in the mainland.

Oh no, one carrier. China is now as threatening as Brazil.

>>34841668
lol burger getting triggered.

Getting burgers to say anything nice about anyone but America is as hard as putting them on a diet.

>>34838893
India and China both have nuclear weapons. I don't know who has better ICBMs but both sides will be hurting very badly.

>>34841686
>He thinks I'm a burger
Looks like the only triggered buttblaster is you.

>>34841525
If the resistance is the same so will be the waste heat. Hell given the price and weight difference you could make the wire even thicker and drop the resistance and heat even further and still come out ahead, hence the use in power transmission lines. But from what the other anon was saying the mechanical properties of copper make it superior for shipboard application.

>>34841748
Increased surface area means better heat exchange and less heat contained in the system.

Aluminum wires get hot because they rust and get damaged.

>>34841748

Resistance will only be the same if they re-gauge the wire. They won't do that because it cuts into the cost savings and means the wire won't fit into the conduits designed assuming copper.

>>34841772
Surface area will be the same, they will swap 20 gauge copper for 20 gauge alloy. There's part of you that wants to say "that's a fucking awful idea, now the wire is carrying more then it's rated for" and Welcome to the fucking Mainland.

>>34841701
How much does being a China shill pay? I would like to apply.

>>34840704
>Kim Jung nukes the entire US Pacific flee
lol
>China to dominate the Pacific for the next 100 years
Everything south and east from Japan sure
>US administration is figuring out how to commission their replacement fleet from Russia as a costsaving measure
Come on now, we knew you were trolling from the first sentence, you're really reaching now though. China doesn't have the trained personnel to last a naval war with Russia, let alone with the US and NATO.

>>34838824

>1950+67
>Ramps

TOP KEK

>>34841772
The larger aluminum wire would have a larger surface area though.

I'm not arguing about the mechanical properties, from the previous discussion using aluminum seems like a bad idea in a ship.

>>34841894
>The larger aluminum wire would have a larger surface area though.
Yes it would be.

>>34838888
Checked

>>34840433
>Navalized J-20s
MUH DIK

>>34839551
Fuck's sake, 10 years ago, no one would have thought China capable of this and they're growing exponentianally. The US has engineered the current world order to essentially remove other Western nations capability to block actions by major powers, but they're also not doing enough to counter China geopolitically. They've already let them gain a bigger foothold in Africa than any Western country ever had. For the sake of the world, we better pray that either the US steps its game of, or the CCP collapses.

>>34840433
>the modelers thought the UCLASS UAV was small

Kek, at least copy scale right.

>>34839370
For a surface engagement in littorial environments, that doesn't really matter.

>>34842111
>They've already let them gain a bigger foothold in Africa than any Western country ever had

*sigh*.... France currently has a bigger hold. Historically Britain was the biggest.

>>34842125
See
>>34841477

>>34840274
We cnc generals nao

>>34840274
CnC generals was correct again.

>>34842130
France backs up a few minor nations in the North West. Meanwhile, China is the major economic partner of most of South and Eastern Africa.

>>34840395
It's the first step in a long plan that ends with China trying to out-tonne the US.

A

>>34839339
The word army can be used to describe a large military unit as a whole, not just ground troops.
But yea it's a mouthful.

>>34838893
Chink shill plz go back to pol .

>>34838893
>t.chong No.65283 of the internet army

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>>34841648
>china doesn't have enough ships or experienced navy men to field 2 carrier battlegroups in combat operations.

cuz Horatio, Deshawn, Cletus have the edge in """experience"""

>>34841835
>defending india
>china shill
what

>>34841331
I work in Telecom and Worked for a year as an electrician. Aluminum wire is garbage. It doesn't work for shit and it's attenuation is much worse than copper. I can't wait to see these shitty Chi-com boats turn into reefs because of rust and electrolysis.

>>34843218
> I can't wait to see these shitty Chi-com boats turn into reefs because of rust and electrolysis
This is beyond wishful thinking.

>>34841648
> the USA could probably have 9 carrier battlegroups out in combat operations at once for 6-8 months.

What a complicated way to say you have no fucking idea how stuff works.

>>34841244
Is that a new meme?

Like China builds ships based on commercial standards, which wouldn't make a lot of sense because it would only mean the ships are getting thicker.

>>34843377
Yes, people don't know that the difference between commercial and military standards is that commercial standards operate with simplified formulas to calculate the structural integrity, while military standards are all about reducing weight.
Ships built based on military standards aren't more robust or reliable - quite the opposite even >>34842922

>>34838824
>WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME SOMETHING WENT AHEAD OF SCHEDULE HERE IN THE WEST?

Sometime before Slavery was abolished and workers rights laws were established.

>>34843377
>which wouldn't make a lot of sense because it would only mean the ships are getting thicker
What? The meme is that the ships are being built to commercial marine safety specs, wrt shock resistance, pumping capacity, damage control, compartmentalization and and hit resistance; and therefore are inferior in practical terms to "real navies" which work off military specs.
Whether or not this is the case I have no clue as I have no shipyard experience nor access to good IMINT, but IMO they'd have to be pants-on-head retarded for that to be the case.

>>34843551
>quite the opposite even

The Fitzgerald surviving a solid hit from a ship 3x its tonnage is evidence of a robust design.

>>34843551
>commercial standards operate with simplified formulas to calculate the structural integrity
No, they are optimized for different scenarios. No commercial ship is designed to minimize and contain flooding from an AShM hit, for example.

>>34843551
It's bullshit.

China doesn't design new ships and then decide to go with Llyod's standards because why not?

It's a poor man's attempt of shitposting by people who have no idea what those standards even mean.

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>>34843592
>T-TOOK IT LIKE A BOSS

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>>34843592
>a solid hit
Don't forget that the majority of the damage was underwater from the bulbous bow, acting like a trireme's ram.

>>34843594
That's not what merchant or military standards mean.
Ice breakers/research ships have damage control systems which are at least on par with navy ships.

The purpose of the ship decide the amount and kind of subsystems on a ship - not the standard you pick.

>>34843616
The largest container ships reach nearly 400k tons. The top scoring submarine aces of WW2 barely exceeded 200k tons.
Those things are fucking hueg.

>>34843578
>>34843551

You lot might find this discussion on the topic of naval versus commercial specification vis-a-vis HMS Ocean's short service life interesting. In the comments the consensus is that the only real pitfall of commercial standards is if there is poor communication between the navy and the builder on what is expected of the ship.

>>34843616
I like the fine text that admits the Crystal was 3x the tonnage of the Fitzgerald.

>>34843772

http://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/2012/10/naval-v-commercial-shipbuilding-rules-2/

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>>34838824
RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMP

>>34843574
Or the Virginia class subs, arriving under budget and ahead of schedule.

>>34841239
likely yes, it can save them cost on fuel too

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>>34840296
She just is.

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>>34842118
About the right size, though.

2 guided bombs or medium anti ship missiles carried internally doenst need too large of an airframe.

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>>34844132
*4 bombs

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>>34842097
And most importantly

>WHITE

I really love the PLANAF's elegant white paint scheme.

>>34842922
>yfw that door is probably still water tight

>>34838872
the construction of type 002 was hault and revised to EMALS. Rumor says its the direct invertention from Xi

>>34838847
Carrier always goes into wind so landing planes have cross wind
It's inlogical to have better aerodynamics than catapult, because bigger area of friction

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>>34840274
Chinese lighthouse on an artificial island in the SCS.

The sheer sight of this produces so much rage for the other claimants.

>>34843616
Doesn't that image say the ship weighed way more than the Fitz?

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>>34844266

>>34841575
some 600 billion dollars I'm presuming

>>34844266
>>34844274
One sizable wave and its a clean slate

>>34842192
>>34842204
Generals was a documentary.

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>>34844274
Same architecture as other chinese government/military buildings.

>>34844308
I am Chinese and I fucking hate those retard design language.

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>>34844330
Generals was a documentary.

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>>34844308
PLAN Captains with Officer's Jian.

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>>34844379

>>34844132
>>34844148
Seems tought China can be on par with America in terms of tech. I'm impressed

>>34841894
It would have less surface area per unit of volume though, thus less ability to dissipate waste heat than a thinner wire.

>>34844571
Don't be, the truth is the Chinese are so far from transparent that we can only be left to assume that a majority of these projects are either vapor ware, or smoke and mirrors entirely.

>>34842111
You do realize that China is heavily invested in the U.S. and other western markets. It's called an international economy. If the U.S. and China ever go to war, the economy of both countries would collapse and subsequently the world. Russia nor Africa have the purchasing power of the U.S. and NATO nations to replace the markets loss in an event of war.

If China undergoes economic decline, their populace will more than likely revolt and the CCP government knows this, seeing as they are willing to allow two things in regards to North Korea: the U.S. to go to war with NK in the event of a NK first strike without interfering and going along with the sanctions of NK since the vote was unanimous in the UN. They'd much rather keep the American marketplace and American based corporations favoring China rather than America going hostile and potentially causing severe diplomatic, economic, and territorial setbacks (War right now would lead to U.S. reversal of any Chinese gains in the South China sea, large devastation of coastal cities from sea, etc.)

>>34840704
Even if the U.S. Pacific surface fleet was gathered in one spot to allow a devastating strike, there'd still be the submarine fleet and Atlantic fleet, in addition to British, French, ANZAC, and Japanese naval forces, to fill in the strategic need while shipyards go into full speed and Congressional red tape is removed.

Come on anon, during WW2 the U.S. was churning out ship after ship every month for the Pacific war effort. There's also the fact there's the mothball fleet that can be used in emergency.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPXkV2vXT3k

>Hurr durr Chinese standards are bad!

Here, a documentary for their VT-4 export tanks. They build with tolerances of below 0.001mm and have modern CNC milling machines.

China is just faster and cheaper because of communism and effective industrial policies that allows them some degrees war-time tier mobilization during peace-time.

>>34841190
sovereign debt is not an issue when you have the income to service it*
it's an important distinction

>>34844772
It's not about a conventional war; it's about gradual dominance of markets and economic growth leading to a military force capable of supplanting the US Navy partially in the Pax Americanum especially in places less friendly towards the US.

>>34838824
Whaddaya mean, "us"? You are a citizen of communist China.

>>34845053
The point still stands. There is no other viable marketplace to replace the U.S. This interdependence leads to a much safer situation in the Pacific for both powers, despite how tense it becomes. Unless China wants Africa to become economically powerful (thus more independent from foreign influence) or turn to Russia (a bordering power that China may potentially feel defensive towards as well), they'd rather keep the U.S. as a market since American corporations like Apple and food chains are starting to integrate into the Chinese market.

The U.S. doesn't need to dominate natural resources since it isn't a manufacturing economy predominately. The U.S. needs to re-invest in education and develop a smarter workforce to entice companies to establish corporate offices and other technical industries to manage and develop, rather than produce.

>>34841439
>laminar flow
>On a non-level, non-static flight deck several stories above the water

If the ship was perfectly still, not rocking, perfectly level with the wind, sure, you might get laminar flow at some points on the deck. The rest of the time it is going to be turbulent flow.

Hell, going into the wind, you'd going to get major drag on that ramp as a vortex will likely form inside of it.

Stop and actually think about the problem for a second.

>>34840271
Obviously, you can. They only copied it, which should surprise exactly no one given that it is China.

>>34844796
>China is just faster and cheaper because of communism and effective industrial policies that allows them some degrees war-time tier mobilization during peace-time.

China isn't faster, is cheaper because they run on a wage slave economy and has the industrial practice of needing to wear masks outside in big cities because the air quality is abysmal.

>>34845161
>A well reasoned and lucid argument

Where, exactly, do you think you are?

>>34842192
China will grow larger.

>>34839216
He is right that it is still not modular. AMDR's "Stackable" radar concept is the future. Easier and cheaper to mass produce, MUCH easier to scale to the required size and powers, easier to repair damage, the list goes on.

>>34843218
I agree that aluminum wire is shit, but from a marine usage standpoint is it actually probably preferable to copper purely from a corrosion standpoint. Can get away with a smaller sacrificial anode in the hull.

>>34841388
But aluminum doesn't corrode (aside from the layer of oxide on the surface)? Or does that change when carrying an electric current?

>>34845161
>The U.S. doesn't need to dominate natural resources since it isn't a manufacturing economy predominately.
complete load of shit.
No country can achieve serious international power without the ability to produce physical goods.

American prominence today is a direct result of the abundance of natural resources in continental US and the destruction of the european production centers in WW2.

>The U.S. needs to re-invest in education and develop a smarter workforce to entice companies to establish corporate offices and other technical industries to manage and develop, rather than produce.
please NEVER speak of macro economics again. It's clearly not your forte.

You're drinking the knowledge economy koolaid way too hard.

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>>34838893
Thanks for the plan, fool!

>>34838824
How long before it sinks? Or some other catastrophic failure, Any takers?

>>34844826
Ehhhh. When a nation's debt is in it's own currency it can just up and say "I'm never going to pay this". They take a hit to their credit rating, but they can just walk away.

China owns a ton of US debt, but it's in USD. If we walked away from it, our economy would take a hit, our credit rating would tank, but their economy would implode. As soon as the math works out that it makes more sense for us to cut off our arm to stab them in the heart, we will do it. Just watch.

>>34841190
Retard alert

>>34844655
That's not how heat transfer works. A watt is a watt, if both wires produce the same wattage as heat then the one with more surface area will have a colder surface.

>>34841379
Money points of >>34841407 aside, China and Russia barely tolerate one another.

Here are two super powers that share a land border, one on the rise and the other on the downfall. Why would China ever team up with Russia, especially when most of Russia's more valuable resources are just a few days drive in a tank column to the west and north of the Sino-Russia border?

China and Russia will never team up unless their mutual survival depends on it - which won't happen. The west may not like China, but we would still rather deal with them over Russia. Too much bad blood with Russia.

>>34838893
Does India's carier have toilets?

>>34842111
>10 years ago, no one would have thought China capable of this
You can thank Bill Clinton for that. I saw this coming. It's not to late to cut the Chinks off and let them shrivel up. American consumer dollars helped make China what it is today.

>>34846076
>American prominence today is a direct result of the abundance of natural resources in continental US

Yes, because Yankland was somehow a barren wasteland at some point in its recent history and magically became endowed with earthly wealth at some unspecified instant in time which apparently, only you know about.

>and the destruction of the European production centers in WW2.
America was already a industrial and economic heavy hitter before even WW1 you yellow gobshite. One need not be a fatnik to know this

>please NEVER speak of macro economics again. It's clearly not your forte.

I'm not sure where you come from lecturing him when you yourself reveal a painful lack of economic literacy. America is already a producer nation, however you don't secure a economy as influential and central to global economy as the Yanks have by merely having a population of cheap slave labor producing simple goods for foreign markets. The secondary and tertiary sectors are key to any future economic success and things that any economic planners will need nurture and emphasize from here on out.

>>34846076
You don't make money by being the factory, you make money by being the factory's bank. The US is the largest provider of financial services to the international market.

Once you use up your economically viable resources, you need something other than physical goods production to keep your economy moving - a service of some kind. Look at three of the most robust markets: USA, Germany, and Britain. The US offers technical and financial services that are demanded the all over the world. Germany imports most of their raw material, but their skills with engineering and manufacturing mean their exports turn health profits for them. Britain strikes a balance between the US and Germany - not as good engineers, financiers, or technologies, or as individually large of markets, but still pretty damn good at all three and commanding a very healthy share of the total world market when combined.

This is what >>34846586 is getting at. There is more to economic dominance than production of physical goods. In fact, it is when you can begin to produce and export abstract goods that you truly secure your economy against scarcity.

>>34840433

Does the placement of the port stern Type 1130 CIWS bother anyone anyone else? It affords no cover to the stern whatsoever because of the AA missile launcher.

>>34844112
Why do I want to fuck a ship?

>>34844162
Black is better.

It looks like straight from GI Joe

>>34845809
>because they run on a wage slave economy
Like the US?
Oh wait no, that's unpaid interns.

>>34844772
The party went through the culture revolution without that anything was threatening their authority.

Not sure what you are basing your fanfiction

>>34838824
>WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME SOMETHING WENT AHEAD OF SCHEDULE HERE IN THE WEST?
>WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH US?
Complacency.
There is no struggle or threat for the West anymore. That's why we think nothing of blowing fortunes feeding refugees. That's the SJWs desperately invent racist, sexist enemies to fight against. That why there's no pressure on military contractors to actually deliver on time and on budget.

Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. Weak men create hard times.

>>34846902
Why do the alt-right fears women so much?

It's so fucking laughable.

>>34846902
weak men have a hard time lifting your mom who has given a lot of strong men a good time.

>>34846525
From first hand accounts of an Indian navy ship, most of the spaces on board are toliets

>>34846937
>Not a single mention of women
>FAGGOT, WHY DO YOU FEAR WOMEN?!

>>34846937
Unsecure manchildren

>>34838912
Ikr...

>>34838930
Their crew was trained in carrier operations by brazilians... Thats all we need to know

>>34845920
You have so no fucking idea what you are talking about.

There is nothing "stackable" about the AMDR.

>>34846418
>just up and say "I'm never going to pay this"
so what are you going to say to all the other holders of treasury? You know there is a such a thing called the Secondary Market, right?

>>34841377
>Redesigned soviet-era kuznetsov
Ftfh

>>34846418
That's not how economy works.

If the USA decides to not pay their debt it means the Dollar would just plain lose its status as anchor currency

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>It's another "I have no idea that personal debt and state debt work in vastly different ways because I learned economics from the University of 4chan" argument

>>34842922
Horatio has plenty of experience giving the frogs a fucking good kicking!

>>34841668
See>>34847322

>>34846586
>>34846724
what you two dumbfucks are trying to articulate and failing miserably at it is VALUE CHAIN.

Guess what? Values chains are BUILT. Ultimately it's about capital, and capital is interdependent. To establish yourself on a step of the value chain, you need to already be on the previous step. Nobody can skip (many) steps of the value chain, and you cannot occupy your existing place without the necessary capital. HENCE INTERTWINED VALUE CHAINS.

YOU MUST CLIMB THE VALUE CHAIN.

did you two fucks even graduate undergrad?

>>34846586
>America was already a industrial and economic heavy hitter before even WW1 you yellow gobshite
>u don't secure a economy as influential and central to global economy as the Yanks have by merely having a population of cheap slave labor producing simple goods for foreign markets.
you're a fucking retard. I see the British education system has gone down the shitter, just like its citizens. Do yourself a favor and look up the estimated % global GNP of the US between 1850 to 1910, then from 1945 to 1960. Then do us all a fucking favor and fucking kill yourself. Fucking retard.

>>34845979
>>34846019
Aluminum is way a more reactive metal, especially in high ph environments. This increased risk of corroding also means it is much more prone to cause a fire in an enclosed environment if not maintained and replaced periodically

>>34845979
>For aluminium, a reactive metal in the galvanic series, this is the most common cause of corrosion. When aluminium comes into contact with a more cathodic material it acts as a sacrificial anode and becomes susceptible to corrosion. Copper, which is a relatively noble metal, does not usually exhibit a great deal of galvanic corrosion

>>34843621
Thats his point dumbass... It took the kind of damage that would have sunk most other ships and still made it back to port on its own power, eventually.

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>>34847705
>on its own power

No, it was confirmed that it would have sunk with only its own damage control systems and without additional pumps.

The hit wasn't that hard as well, it was at slow a pace. The problem with naval ships is that they are deploying extremly thin plates which have superior characteristics against missile impact (less deadly shit flying around) but can't take purely kinetic hits.

>>34844234
I thought digital was bad, didnt trump say steam was the way to go?

>>34846848
The average daily wage in China was $25 in 2016.

>>34847733
>The hit wasn't that hard as well, it was at slow a pace.

30k tons doesn't have to move fast to hit hard.

>>34846489
Thats not how resistance works... If the one with more resistance has the same watts and same surface area then it will be hotter. Hence the need to increase surface area to balance it out

>>34846853
Actually they were hugely threatened and side lined mao because of it. Mao got pissed and started a campaign to get the youths of the time indoctrinated to make up for his waning power and influence amoung party officals. The children and young adults were eventually instructed to act like mao's secret police going around and beating the ever living shit out of their teachers and parents and neighbors if they weren't patriotic or went against party doctrine

>>34847753
That's way, way above the minimum wage over here in ex-socialist Europe.

If it really is the average salary, the Chinks are not that bad off at all. Give or take the fact they're East Asians so they will be forced to slave away at work but that wouldn't change even if they had a billion dollars an hour if Japan is any indication.

>>34847733
>, it was confirmed that it would have sunk with only its own damage control systems and without additional pumps.
Source?

>>34847753
Thats not accurate. Please provide a source

>>34847816
>They literally have to install suicide nets around all their factory buildings to stop workers fron regularly killing themselves due to shit conditions an shit compensation
You are a double chink shill for not recognizing that shill and taking it seriously

>>34838847
>1.5 and 3 degrees of heel

Metrics so small as to be useless. Publishing the simulations is merely low grade propaganda for general consumption.

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>>34847524
Ah it's you again, and what a wondrous shitpost. And for your information, I'm Irish. I'm not sure where i mentioned being British.

>Guess what? Values chains are BUILT.
Chaff statement that's utterly irrelevant in this context

>Ultimately it's about capital, and capital is interdependent.
Chaff statement that says nothing relevant yet tries to sound meaningful

>To establish yourself on a step of the value chain, you need to already be on the previous step.
You're beginning to sound like a street huckster that took one business course before dropping out and spews out shiny jargon at the pub to try and impress uncomfortable women

>Nobody can skip (many) steps of the value chain, and you cannot occupy your existing place without the necessary capital. HENCE INTERTWINED VALUE CHAINS.
..........Let me ask, and I ask sincerely; Do you know what a Value Chain is? Do you know what it refers to and in what discussions its relevant? Never before has one post containing so much text said so little. I'd like to engage you on the discussion about this but i'm starting to get the feeling that i'm deadlocked in an argument with someone with access to Wikipedia yet absolutely no relevant topical knowledge

Do you want to know how I and literally every other Economics grad would know that you know literally nothing about the field of international economics?

1) The concept of value chain is never used in this manner, and is in fact utterly nonsensical here. All you're doing here is desperately welding together seemingly relevant jargon like some first year business class pseudo-intellectual to try and save what is a pathetic and floundering argument. None of what you said adds anything of substance to a discussion that is clearly about China's economic growth with an eye for supplanting American economic leadership through stealthy and gradual hegemonization.

Continued....

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2) By all metrics America was already an economic powerhouse before WW1. I'm seriously not sure why you're still going to sit here and deny this when economic history shows it plainly. By 1913, the Yanks accounted for 20% of global productivity. Here is an idiot-friendly source https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_regions_by_past_GDP_(PPP). Also see pic related.

3) Don't you find it funny that you howl and bray about Macroeconomics literacy (see your own post >>34846076) only to bring into the discussion a concept (Value Chains, again you clearly have no idea what this is) that is ENTIRELY the concern of Microeconomics. The great tragedy here is that what you are struggling to enunciate is something expressed in much simpler, concise language. Before you humiliate yourself once again, go look up the following; Extensive Growth & Intensive Growth; GPE (Global Political Economy), and Economic Base. These three things are what you should have been talking about had you any actual knowledge in this matter.

Vociferously barking out insults does little to conceal the fact that you're entirely out of your depth in this discussion, and are now frantically scrambling any string of random business concepts to try and save face.........on 4chan of all places.

>HENCE INTERTWINED VALUE CHAINS.
>YOU MUST CLIMB THE VALUE CHAIN.
>Y O U M U S T C L I M B T H E V A L U E C H A I N

Sublime nonsense. Yours has to be the both the funniest and most miserable post i've ever seen on /k/. If this were /biz/, your post would have ascended to meme status by now.

>>34847370
It's one of its core features.

You can have an aesa the size of a single module block, or the size of the SBX with the same software and hardware infrastructure (power requirements aside of course)

>>34847816
>That's way, way above the minimum wage over here in ex-socialist Europe.

You are considered poor by the rest of the world and are not pretending to be a super power.

>>34847846
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>34847896
>Here is an idiot-friendly source
>PPP

(You)

>>34847891
>>34847896
>Inb4 no u response from the retard

>>34847370
The irony is hilarious.

>>34847901
>AESA
>single module block

>>34847914
He is probably too busy climbing the value chains in China

>>34847753
25yuan does not equal 25$. Good job retard

>>34847855
Actually, I checked in with the business marketing sources and while I don't know about anon's figure, their average hourly wage has risen to 3.6 dollars. The minimum hourly wage here is 2.5 euro, which is roughly 3 dollars. Poland would be happy if they could pass a minimum hourly wage of 2.3 euro.

Now, that's comparing the bottom of the barrel to the average (and most likely mean average at that), but it's still a good sign for the slanted eyes as the days of being paid dollar a month are long behind them.
Of course, that could bite them in the ass for the foreseeable future as factories will shift to get the newest cheapest workforce and we could see Made in Poopland on everything.

>>34847904
See>>34847930

>>34847921
>AMDR provides greater detection ranges, increased discrimination accuracy, higher reliability and sustainability, and lower total ownership cost as well as a host of other advantages when compared to the current AN/SPY-1D(V) radar onboard today’s destroyers.

>The system is built with individual ‘building blocks’ called Radar Modular Assemblies. Each RMA is a self-contained radar in a 2’x2’x2’ box. These individual radar RMAs can stack together to form any size array to fit the mission requirements of any ship, making AMDR the Navy’s first truly scalable radar.

>The inherent scalability could allow for new instantiations, such as back-fit on existing DDG 51 destroyers and installation on aircraft carriers, amphibious warfare ships, frigates, Littoral Combat Ship and DDG 1000 classes, without significant new radar development costs.

>For the DDG 51 Flight III destroyer, the SPY-6(V) AMDR will feature:
>37 RMAs – which is equivalent to SPY-1D(V) +15 dB
>Meaning, SPY-6 can see a target of half the size at twice the distance of today’s radar
>4 array faces to provide full-time, 360° situational awareness
>Each face is 14’ x 14’ – which is roughly the same dimension as today’s SPY-1D(V) radar

>>34847921
Yep, if you wanted to for whatever reason.

https://youtu.be/BPGcW4Lj4fc

>>34847891
>>34847896
Name one great power in history that lacked resources. Inb4 japan.

Checkmate, you dumb irish turd.

>>34847931
India is fucked.

When they hit their demographic sweetspot, advanced automation, and etablished infrastructure and logistics will become the important factors here.
Fields where China is already top notch and invest like crazy.

>>34847940
>US companies using a bunch of buzzwords to sell something that is already standard

>>34847957
>sell something that is already standard
No.

For example, the aesa the Chinese stuck on their carrier is entirely monolithic.

>>34847927
I'm too busy climbing your mom you fag.

>>34844571
It looks like they are slowly getting to the point where we could kill them all without feeling bad about picking on the weak.

>>34847953
I mean, at least we're looking at a video game made real future, then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x530q4hlv9c

>>34847957
You can buy commercial Quad Transmit Receive Modules for years now.

It's always funny if /k/ thinks that military technology is always cutting edge black project technolgy although in reality it is mostly commercial avaiable technology with an additional military price tag.

>>34847891
>>34847896
Jesus Christ. Ireland, you didn't have to nuke the Chinks this hard, they already look deformed. Even MacArthur would be disgusted by this level of Chinaman BTFO.

>>34847930
>>34847937
>average yearly Chinese wage in 2016 was 67,569 CNY
>1 Chinese Yuan = ~$.15

You are right, I didn't give the Chinese wage slaves days off when I did the math.

>>34847960
This is wrong.

>>34847971
keep moving those goalposts

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>>34847977
It is correct, see pic

>>34847971
There is more to AESA than just its TR modules.

>>34847989
What is that picture even supposed to show?

>>34847931
Yea, no. Average yearly salary is about 10000 usd in china. Poland is over 11000 usd yearly. Get fucked shill

>/k/ thinks you need to replace the entire array every fucking time

>>34847891
>>34847896
Wow you potato loving fag, 2 walls of text and you still can't explain value. What kind of shit school did you go to?

I'm going to make it simple for you. Name a great power that did not have a seat at the top of the value chain.

Also name a great power that suffered from a lack of resources and did not violently seek them.

>>34846752
I hadn't noticed, but I took another long and now I see it.

Maybe there's a different stern-facing countermeasure system that's out of frame?

Seems like a huge oversight if you and I can spot it.

>>34847997
Monolithic radar being installed.

>>34840295
>That's not how air friction works, you retard

That is how air friction works, you retard. In naval engineering circles it will also be referred to as sail area, you drooling imbecile.

>What is boundary layer condition?

Above or below the waterline? Above waterline BL conditions will be of minimal concern.

>>34848005
Polan stronk now?

>>34841242
You're really pissed about that VLS shortfall, aren't you?

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>>34838824
Hey buddy, just wanted to come into this thread and leave you with the usual.
>A
>FUCKING
>RAMP

>>34840296
>make discount tico with quality Chinese steel
>call it a destroyer

>meanwhile USA can't even tell North Korea what to do

What do they want to do against a real superpower?

>>34848044
Prepare it a meal made using gutter oil

>>34848030
Not him but WHERE THE FUCK ARE MY 128 VLS CHANG.

YOU PROMISED ME ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY FUCKING EIGHT. WHERE ARE THEY?

>>34841331
Aluminum in a marine environment corrodes heartbreakingly fast. It also has shitty fatigue resistance, which is highly undesirable in an application where it will be undergoing perpetual microdynamic loading. It's also not very thermally stable.

>>34848082
>aluminum
if you're gonna start talking about metallurgy you will have to step the intelligence level up from referring to a variety of alloys as "aluminum"

>>34848094
Alloys fuck with the electrical properties brainlet.

>>34847949
Not him but i can namely several countries that economically punch well above their weight despite having no tangible comodities/resources to export. They are all financial hubs wouldnt you know it.

>>34848021
Unfortunately no, they are still a bit in the shitter but still stronger than the average cidf

>>34848102
Only hard power matters

>>34848009
Why would he play into your value chain red herring when he was so good at explaining why you are full of shit and aren't the least bit knowledgable about macroeconomics?

>>34848112
I was joking you cunt

>>34848121
Because the original premise is wrong, he's said basically nothing, and you're a fucking retard.

Any other questions?

>>34848044
But the us just told china to tell nk what to do and they did it, how is china a real superpower?

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>>34848101
you're the one who thinks aluminum wiring is pure aluminum and you're calling me a brainlet lmao

>>34848132
They being china*

>>34848132
English, please.

>>34848122
I figured, but i personally wish it was stonger seeing as how they are one of the few Euro countries that still remembers what its like to have a pair of balls

>>34848145
My apologies for using a comma instead of a period. Your esl classes are coming along well

>>34848129
Except it isn't wrong. There are plenty of examples of why he makes a fuckload more sense then you do. And he also gave examples of his arguments in reality.
>he's said basically nothing
Project harder asshole

>>34848135
8000 series Al is 95.5% pure.
1350 is 98% pure.

Nobody called it pure aluminum, but it holds only trace amounts of other materials due to alloys fucking the electrical properties. Wire needs to be homogeneous.

>>34848170
Like your father.

>>34848118
Your moms vagina knows that all too well.

>>34848129
Not really, following the whole argument thread, you're the one who seems to abruptly change topic the moment those two posters destroy your argument in >>34846724 and >>34846586

>>34848118
Tell that to the romans

>>34848170
those are still alloys, brainlet. it makes a big difference.

>>34848210
>it makes a big difference.
No, not really. It helps, but guess what, 8000 series is still mechanically weaker and still rusts.

>>34838893
And a Ching Chong Nip Nog to you, young man.

>>34847733
This. As much as people like to crow about 'muh Stark' versus HMS Sheffield, if the Stark had been in the same position, it would have sunk just like the Sheffield. Meanwhile, if the Sheffield had been in the Gulf like the Stark, it could have been salvaged.

>>34844112
>>34844112
Can we have this but with all the modern ships across the world? Kancolle, but its today, not WW2

>>34848202
I can't. They lost hard power.

>>34838824
when was the last time China was actually ahead of the U.S in military technology and/or warfare experience?

Unless real economic decline occurs in the U.S, while people would be shocked if China ever overtakes the US in tech field, they (the Chinese) will get a bigger shock on just how the US can get back.

>>34844330
why? it seems alright. at least its chinese looking. compared to the american/russian/german/french/japanese shit that all looks the same.

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>>34848201
You're even pointing at two points counter to one another.

>>34847370
http://www.raytheon.com/capabilities/products/amdr/

Get dunked on scrub.

>>34847997
See how it is a crane lifting the radar? an AMDR module fits on a desktop. Just carry them by hand and drop them in place on the ship - don't waste crane time on it.

>>34849299
I'm retarded.

But in my defense, I just woke up after a double-shift the night before. My brain saw this was like "hostile language, referencing me" and got defensive.

>>34849654
You got defensive because you're retarded.

>>34848011
More likely that on a model built for PR purposes someone just fucked up and put them in the wrong place.

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>>34848345
DESS

>>34849801
MOARRRRRR PLZZZZ

>>34849918
thread is ded.

start a new one and I will dump what I have.

>>34848011

Simply switching the positions of the CIWS and the AA launcher would fix it, so I'm wondering if the model builder just slotted 'em into the wrong holes.