What guns are in this tier of reliability?

>>34838109
Makarov probably

>>34838109
Glock 17

>>34838129
Depends if you get working magazines or not.

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>>34838686

>>34838686
It's not much, but to that point, I put 1200 rounds of Tula through mine with no lubing or cleaning with zero malfunctions. If it weren't for lolnotdropsafe, I'd stand by that.

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>>34838109
Its greatly improved successor

>>34839522

Anyone friendly in Cherno?

>>34838109
Only that. Everything else is below it.

>>34838109
Literally none.

>>34839522
Squish squish

>>34839597
That's a feature of their space age polymer

>>34838109
>What guns are in this tier of reliability?
>ctrl f
>no ak's, bolt actions, revolvers, break actions, lever actions, or pump actions
i'm a little worried at the state /k/ right now.

>>34838709
Can't wait for this meme to die down in a decade or so

>>34839624
Yep, that's how bad Sig fucked this up. It will take a decade for this to die down.

>no 10mm mk23
Why are we still here? Just to suffer?

>>34839623
I was going to post an AK.

>>34839657
I don't think I'd want 10mm in Sig's steel slide aluminum frame way of doing things.

>>34838709
Love this one, and I'm a Sig-fag.

>>34839667
>I don't think I'd want 10mm in Sig's steel slide aluminum frame way of doing things.
>mk23
>sig

>>34839597
Comfy on the hand, first ever ground breaking hand conforming technology. Jokes aside dam good firearm.

>>34838109
Makarov

Almost any revolver made by a reputable company

>>34839636
It pissed me off they had this problem and still shipped them. I really love how it shoots, you can literally beat the shit out of it and it performs. Just don't drop it. Even though I never dropped a firearm ever, just knowing if it even did happen, I don't have to worry about shooting myself in the face. Will I dump mine? Hell no, I will wait to see how the upgrade goes. If it corrects the issue I will keep it as my EDC.

>>34839685
>mk23
Shit you're right, but 23....25....fuck it.

>>34839760
Yeah, I'm pissed at sig, but I'm sure it will be made right, and not just the recall, I mean voluntary upgrade, but I'm digging the cheap 320s on armslist right now

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>>34839657
>no 10mm Mk.23
Great, I didn't need to feel pissed.

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>>34838109
Nothing else

>>34839856
http://www.armslist.com/posts/7191305/tallahassee-florida-handguns-for-sale--sig-p320-subcompact--40-sw

I'm not seeing any cheap ones myself, you would think a used sc 40sw would be less than the retail on a new Ruger.

>>34840029
I've seen a couple in my city selling for about $400 that come with extra mags and/or frames.

>>34839522
Is there truth to FN sucking balls at polymer. As in the magwell deforming pretty quickly with moderately heavy use?

>>34839522
>button mag release

>>34840101
It's a non issue, meme started from an out of spec handgun

>>34840198
>one out of spec handgun
>in an industry where guns are made in batches especially polymer ones
Nope

>>34840214
Maybe there is a bad bach, but if it was a common problem you would have seen more instances of it, like with the p320

>>34840262
The p320 had been out for how long though? It wasn't until the same week problems were reported that the lawsuit was filed and that seems too convenient to me.

>>34840286
The fact that no one notice is a sign of how good gun owners handle firearms, but when the word got out everybody started testing, same with the fnx, yet nobody could replicate the resoults seen on the first video

>>34840316
To be fair, if someone filed a lawsuit saying they dropped a glock and it shot them in the leg, the gun community would be skeptical as hell, assuming he's trying to cover up his stupidity.

>>34840378
Yes, and because of that people would try to replicate the incident, each time that a gun faces some kind of polemic a hundred of nobodies try to make a name in YouTube conducting tests

>>34839564
Of course not.

>>34838709
would this work?

>>34839918
>voiding your warranty

>>34838129
i have never heard anything but good things about hi point's customer service
got a problem? they'll try to make it right.

>>34839623
AK's jam when they get muddy or dusty. Someone should post an AR with a dust cover

>>34841279
>needing a warranty

>>34841306
This. I shot out the barrel of my BCM and never had a single malfunction with it. It's off at BCM getting rebarreled for free right now, might have a problem with it one of these days.

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>>34839623

>AK

>>34841327
Why wouldn't you want a warranty? If you actually shoot, parts wear and and eventually break.

>>34841360

Just buy a new one

It's a tool, not a piece of art

>>34839522
Your opinion is laughably wrong.

>>34840101
Poor quality polymer causing squishiness and toy like feeling. FNX safety lever has had a tendency to break in the past but this may have been fixed(haven't checked in years). FNS has to be sent back to factory every 2000rnds or you void the warranty.

Other than that they do everything pretty OK but nothing amazingly well. Frankly I can't think of a specific use that I'd buy one for other then "lol look at me my gun was made by FN"

>>34841360
>If you actually shoot, parts wear and and eventually break.
Its a mark 23, it doesnt "break"

>>34841427
True, but springs wear out, etc. Even on a Mk23, nothing lasts forever
>>34841390
True, and at that point the cost of ammo far outweights the cost of the firearm, but the manufacturer will replace worn out parts, why not?

>>34841455
>True, but springs wear out, etc.
Then I will buy another recoil spring or another mark23. It takes in excess of 30k rounds to "wear" out a mark 23. Even shooting the cheapest steel case and assuming failure at 30k rounds that is $6000 of ammo. I assume somewhere during the process of spending $6000 on ammo I can afford to buy another $50 in springs ($20 for secondary recoil, $20 for primary recoil and $9 for hammer spring)

>>34841455
>>34841455

Second guy you responded to, my point is, if you want a specific gun and the way you use it will void its warranty, oh well.

You really should only buy a firearm if you can replace it with money in the bank right now, that's my philosophy. I don't see these as toys. Every gun I buy is for some form of self defense or competition. If it was some toy, then yes, I would agree with you. But a man needs to do what he needs to do. And warranties be damned.

>>34841420
The squishy thing is a meme, the levers were fixed when they went fron the fnp to the fnx designation, never heard of sending the fns every 2000 rounds, that doesn't sound right

>>34841558
It's in the user manual. At least one person has been turned down for what would otherwise be warranty work because of it.

>>34841588
Woah, I'll look into it, I don't really care for striker guns anymore, I have already graduated from my g19 into the da/sa world, but that's concerning, the fns always looked like an afterthought of the fnx, like the p320 and the p250, that's why I stuck with the fnx

>mk23, the most pointless handgun ever made continues being posted
>usp tactical, the gun that actually makes sense and has the same mag capacity doesn't get posted
>baka

>>34842079
>Mark 23 is pointless
>USP Tactical isn't
Damn, that extra 2 inches ruins the whole thing.

>>34842153
that is a big size difference, anon

2" in length is more than the difference between a Glock 17 and a Glock 26 or 43

>>34842079
When two people try to use the USP it's cramped and awkward. The Mk. 23 lends itself to be crew served much better.

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Still safer than a SIG.

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>>34842304
do what now

>>34842375
Mk. 23 is the only crew served sidearm. That was the running joke for the people that used it because of its size. It's big but not massive, Seals confirmed for baby hands.

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>>34842292
It doesn't really matter if you aren't concealing it, especially if you're putting a can on it. You might like pic related. (for reference I also like pic related)

>>34838246
Definitely

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>>34838109
All bullshit aside, GLAWK™ brand GLAWK™ pistols have been objectively proven to be astoundingly reliable.

I'm sorry if it looks like I'm fishing for (you)s

>>34839522
>can't even take 45 super

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>>34841588
>>34841719
Just searched through my entire FNS user manual and nothing mentions voided warranty for not sending it in every 2000 rounds. As a matter of fact, there was no mention of that specific round count anywhere in the manual.
>Pic related, warranty discloser

>>34843271
Thanks anon you are the true mvp

>>34842153
>a handgun the size of a fucking Desert Eagle that is large enough to preclude the use of a carbine isn't worthless in any real situation.

Tactifag detected. SF never got on board with the Mark 23 for good reason. The only reason to bring along a handgun in a military situation is if you have a job that precludes the ability to bring a carbine or as a backup, because handguns suck at killing things. As such, a handgun that weighs 3+ lbs when loaded and 5 lbs when loaded and equipped with its laser aiming module and silencer is practically useless. It's what happens when you get a gun that was designed by engineers with no input from people who actually use guns.

>>34843729
It weighs less than than a 1911. What do I know though, you're brother' friend's cousin was friends with a SEAL who said all the SEALs hated them.
>SF never got on board with it
SEAL teams kept them against orders from NAVSPECWARCOM. The only reason they stopped using them is because higher ups wouldn't let them order more ammo. None of the shitty pistols you're a fan of can stand up to dive conditions like a Mk 23.

>>34843241
I shoot +P in mine every now and then. I don't know whether it will handle 45 Super, but since there is no SAAMI spec for it I don't doubt FN will not approve its use. I have no desire to shoot it and interested in what your use case is that requires it?

>>34841588
Like >>34843271 I don't find any mention of it in either of the FNX-45 manuals supplied with my pistols, or the one I downloaded from FN's site. Can you post a screenshot?

>>34841420
>Your opinion is laughably wrong.
Care to make an argument as to why?

>>34844089
What evidence do you have regarding various handguns' reliability in dive conditions?

>>34842326
Noguns love this meme

>>34844406
SDVs had to order stainless 686s because SIGs and Berettas couldn't handle dives as well.

>>34844382
>FN will not approve its use
>mark 23 owners have shot tens of thousands of rounds of 45 super with no ill effects or less reliability

by definition mark 23 is a more reliable handgun and "more improved successor is a retarded statement in every way

>>34838129
Unironicly this

Ugly as shit but the DEFINITION of "gets the job done"

>>34844848
>DEFINITION of "gets the job done"
Problem Solva righ hear

>>34838109
>What guns are in this tier of reliability?

Most Hammer fired meme guns are the same tier as the god queen of hammer fired meme guns

92F, P226, Mk23, 1911, BHP

>>34844916
>92F, P226, Mk23, 1911, BHP

this post best post.
fuck polymer wonders.

>>34844916
None of those are on the same level as the Mark 23.

>>34844948
Agreement.

>>34841390
mercantilability and fitness for a particular purpose.
do you forget to breathe sometimes? because you show symptoms of oxygen deprivation.

>>34844916
Add CZ 75 to that list, and it's great.

>>34838109
90% desu

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>>34838109
Revolvers don't jam.

>>34845594
yes, they can.

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>>34845599
no, they don't

>>34845594
>shoot a bunch of .38 Special out of a .357
>then try to shoot .357
>won't chamber because of lead fouling in chamber due to shooting the shorter .38 Special

or

>any foreign substance or object getting into the action

hello jams

The Vickers MG

>60's roll around, gun is no longer tactically relevant
>Armourer grabs one and 5,000,000 rounds of .303 that's no longer needed with the Enfield having been replaced already
>Spec all the parts, acquire spare barrels
>Proceed to fire one gun for 7 consecutive days, taking shifts to sleep and shoot
>Barrels changed at 10k rounds
>Five fucking million rounds of .303 later it finally ends
>All parts are still in spec, no meaningful wear
>Zero stoppages

>>34841271
Almost definitely not, but technically I guess it could

>>34844706
So you have no use case?

Not sure what definition of reliability you are using here, but neither you nor I can know which pistol has fired more 45 Super rounds.

To wit, the FNX-45's superiority is based on:
>lighter
>smaller
>higher magazine capacity
>full ambi
>proper rail
>night sights
>supressor heigh sights
>red dot cut slide
>better trigger in both DA and SA

Probably some other stuff, but you get the idea. Well, you probably don't but you are alone in that.

>>34844948
Mk 23 is polymer noguns

>>34845804
>supressor height sights
Its cool that you dont understand what you're talking about. The Mk.23 has a ramped slide that allows the sights to clear a can without being bulky and easily damaged.

>>34845804
>OP question is reliability
>throw out a bunch of other characteristics that have nothing to do with reliability

nice one. also gonna add that the red dot cut is pure tacticool faggotry and is utterly useless.

>better trigger in both DA and SA
nah, mk23 has the usp match trigger.

>you are alone in that
seems like you're the only one here shilling for the FN and sucking ass at reading comprehension. explain how the FN is a "successor"? at least the mk23 was adopted then stored as safe queens. the FN didn't even make it that far.

>>34844916
Perfect post, but strike the 1911, it has been pointless ever since the BHP

>>34846141
The sights they ship with are useless when the KAC can is attached. I know this because I have both, and had HK send me their tallest replacements. They improved matters a bit but still not as good as the FNX-45 sights.

>>34846188
I wasn't replying to OP, as most people could plainly tell from the >>34844706 in my post. >>34844706 made the claim that the FNX-45 was not an improvement, so I listed the specifics of how it is.

No one so far has posted a single shred of evidence that the FNX-45 is not in the same "reliability tier" as the Mk23. Not even the 45 Superfag who was actually making claims about longevity.

>trigger
As I have both pistols and have shot the side my side, I can assure you the FNX-45's is better.

>shill
I'm not shilling for anything, merely answering OP's question. As far as their adoption by militaries, I couldn't care any less about that. My needs likely don't line up well with theirs, and militaries fuck up procurement and adopt shit products all the time.

>>34844948
>>34845266
Gentlemen, this is the state of /k/ these days.

>>34845849
Is polymer more reliable than steel?

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>>34846291
>The sights they ship with are useless when the KAC can is attached. I know this because I have both, and had HK send me their tallest replacements. They improved matters a bit but still not as good as the FNX-45 sights.
Proofs. I've looked down mk23's with a KAC and Octane45HD with no sight issues. Infact my octane has the same diameter as the KAC can and is easily cleared with space to spare.

>>34846291
>No one so far has posted a single shred of evidence that the FNX-45 is not in the same "reliability tier" as the Mk23

can you prove that it is in the same tier

>As I have both pistols and have shot the side my side, I can assure you the FNX-45's is better.
>begging others to believe you

i had both and i kept the mk23 and sold the fn and replaced it with a glock 41 because the glock 41 is better than the fn (need i assure you?)

>>34838109
blowguns

>>34839564
lol

>>34846347
i would say no. but i trust hk over any other poly maker.

>>34843207
Huh... does that count as dog remover? I'm intrigued

>>34838246
How expensive is a Makarov nowadays

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>what is the most reliable gun ever?
>everyone posts auto/semiauto

???

>>34845640
Jesus Christ.

I'll share an anecdote. A friend's neighbour gave him a literal shedload of stuff when her husband died a few years back. Lots of paperwork, maps, reports, stuff that belongs - and has found its way to - in a museum. She also told a couple of stories. Her husband was an army intelligence officer that fought in Milne Bay among other places. His role allowed him to ship a lot of stuff back to Australia without much in the way of checks, so he brought home a Vickers gun and took it back to the family farm.

They'd had a problem with roos coming through and chewing up crops, so he and his brother set the thing up one morning and awaited the arrival of the mob and went through two belts by the time the survivors were out of line of sight. They didn't have roos on the property for eight years after that.

Dunno where the MG ended up

>>34839225
no you didnt

>>34841351
>can be revived after 50 years of being buried with just a few drops of bacon grease and the screams of dying commies

Yeah i'd call that reliable you smug weeb fuck

>>34841507
30k for +P+ 200gr .45 ACP. this can also include .45 Super.

it has an "unlimited" rating for normal .45 ACP.

>>34846864
$275

>>34838109
I want somebody to clone the Mk. 23.

>>34838109
Overhyped handgun, the seals varely used it, nobody can back the claims of reliability because no one is willing to pay the overpriced tag for a handgun the size of a boat, yeah it was tested, so was the p320, most of the fags that claim to have one are airshiters with 50 $ replicas

>>34848954
>no one can back the claims of reliability
>someone actually thinks the Mark 23 is unreliable

>>34849812
> dealing in absolutes
I just don't think it's the magic device forged by elves people make it look like

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>>34848954
>nobody can back the claims of reliability because no one is willing to pay the overpriced tag for a handgun the size of a boat
Go look at the arsenal threads here there are plenty of people that have them. If you buy the ammo you're more than welcome to come test mine. There are USP 45s with >290,000 rounds through them and those are puny compared to Mark 23

>>34850273
I think the usp is superior to the mk23 that's why seals dich the mk23 for them, that's why I don't give credit to those claims

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>>34839522

>>34850366
>mark23 is an over built handgun that the USP descended from
>USP confirmed >297k rounds
>Mark23 somehow being a stronger pistol is less durable
I dont follow your train of thought

>>34850366
SEALs didn't do that though. Stop repeating shit you heard on here.

>>34850407
>retarded tripfag is retarded, surprise
The point is that the USP is durable enough while also having other desirable qualities (more manoeuvrable, less boat-like)

>>34841334
They rebarrel for free?

>>34850456

nice serial number

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>>34850468
lmao. What, are you going to hack his gun?

>>34850421
>durable enough
What are you doing in this thread?

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>>34850527
>you wouldnt download a car

>>34850527
>What, are you going to hack his gun?

People report guns stolen to troll, making for all kinds of bullshit when you try to sell it.

>>34850584
>Makes for trouble when trying to sell
lolno

>34850407
The Remington rp9 or whatever it's called is overbuild, it's not more reliable though

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>>34850562
How much did you give for that?
>>34850584
I don't think police are going to take a report of a stolen firearm seriously if it's reported anonymously.

>>34850605
$1750 I think, it was a couple months ago, dont really remember

>>34850613
http://grabagun.com/hk-usp-mk23-45acp-5-87-bl-2-12rd.html
Some anon pointed me towards them for the best price. I'm probably going to go through them when I order mine. Did you buy local?

>>34850633
I bought it from grabagun.
Price has just dropped in the past bit

>>34850656
Probably will drop more unless they end up discontinued.

>>34850693
Hope they do get lower. I have to wait until April.

>>34850693
Maybe.
Its been talked about being discontinued for awhile.

Im fairly price indifferent. It was an impulse purchase anyway

>>34850731
They've been talking about discontinuing them for like 10 years though. I'm not really worried about it.

>>34850750
It will evenually

>>34850396
what the fuck

>>34841279

Honest question, how is he voiding his warranty?

>>34851124
Non KAC and B&T suppressors void the Mark 23s warranty

>>34838646
truth

>>34850605
>implying the cops won't use the opportunity to seize a gun and have it conveniently go missing

>>34845804
original anon you asked here. Considering the Mk23's intended use is as a highly reliable offensive type handgun, for a successor to be greatly improved would require that it be shown to:

1. improve significantly upon reliability or lethality.

2. Improve significantly in other areas while being just as good at being reliable and lethal.

While i have no doubt that the FNX is as lethal as the Mk23 the same could be said for just about any .45 ACP handgun of comparable barrel length(assuming we ignore the MK23's ability to handle .45 super). As the FNX has never been tested as thoroughly as the MK23 let alone been shown to be more reliable in said testing it can hardly be considered superior in this aspect unless one is biased in it's favor.

Being marginally lighter, more ergonomic, and coming with stock night sights does not make it better at being an offensive type handgun or simply a handgun meant to handle use under extreme situations as these are all unnecessary for that. Ain't exactly like SEAL armorers cant swap out sights or do a little trigger work either.

>>34851462
No handgun will be tested as extensively as the mk23, so the reliability is a point that is really hard to argue, but the design of the hk is dated, it lacks moder comodities, capacity, the levers are kind of retarded, but pound for pound, the fnx is arguably the closest any handgun has come to rival the mk23

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What about the P226? The P320's all metal, less retarded older bro?

>>34841306

An AR is good at keeping dust and dirt out in the first place, but if something *does* get into the action, like mud, dust, or any other filth, and you need to unjam it, it's fucked six ways from Sunday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFg4n5FKRcY

>>34851545
it's quite possibly the best hammer fired handgun ever invented.

>>34851569
New sigs are shit, I wouldn't trust them not even with older model, west German p226 are ok though

>>34851519
So pretty much the argument seems to be
>sure nobody can show that the FNX is actually better at doing the same job as the MK23, but that'd be hard to prove anyways
>it's totes way more ergonomic though so it's clearly superior

this is why i said that opinion is a laughable one.

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>>34851569
>being this wrong

>>34851654
>HK45
>lose 2 rounds capacity
>just for girly hand ergos

No thanks.

>>34845594
>Revolvers don't jam.
>posts picture of auto revolver
lol

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>>34851733
>he doesn't understand magazine compatibility

>>34851645
Not suerior, but it's developed under the same concept(ooffensive handgun), and it's a good gun, that's why I say it's the closest so far

>>34851758
It's a squishy squishy gun that no one wants to use

>>34851758
>greatly improved successor
That's like not even implying at this point. He says it's better.

Im not saying they're a bad gun. By and far I've heard good things about FNX-45s. Im just saying that it's more so a gun that fulfills a slightly different use to the MK23 than it is a total improvement.

>>34851809
You are delusional, pull your head out of your ass.

>>34851834
I've never heard a story of anyone using a FNX for maritime and otb operations.

>>34851630
But my MK25 has never misfired...

>>34851873
>fell for the meme

>>34851834
I wasn't the anon who said greatly improved..., they are different, from different times and military programs

>>34838129
glock 40 right here, my little problem solver

>>34851928
whoops, my bad

>>34851848
I do have heard histories about mk23 being left at the base

>>34851989
>repeats rumors he heard on 4chan
>types like an actual downie
Checks out.

>>34852111
>zero 1 9x19 plus 2

>>34852053
Keep telling yourself it's a rumor

>>34852183
Nice evidence.
Excellent first hand testimony.
Great post.

>>34850433
Yes they did

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>>34851569
>not CZ75

>>34851755

Literally the ugliest magaziness in the history of magazines.