Help me decide,/k/

CZ

>>34833236
yes

>>34833236

one is made by starving kidnapped chezk children.

The other is made by slave wage chinese drones.

ged p30

in all seriousness go to a gun shop and hold them

HK

>>34833252
NO!

>>34833236
suppose I should mention theres no real price difference between the two, with the CZ hovering around 600+fees and the HK at 650-700.
700 being my absolute limit, because i still ned to find a god holster and pay for its food

>>34833236
USP in 45 and CZ75 SP01 Shadow for 9mm

>>34833337
the options are 9mm p2000 or 9mm PCR, or, alternatively,
the pros and cons of owning a gun from one of these two companies
>muh hkparts.com overcharging
>muh widespread customization options for CZ

try CZ75 first

>>34833337
This is the correct answer

>>34833266
Went to lgs to buy a p30. Walked out with a cz p09 instead.

>>34833433
funny I did the opposite

>>34833266
>>34833411
>czeched
I've fingerfucked the p2000, the closest ive gotten to a PCR is the P01 and compact, I really liked all of them.
the stock CZ triggers were much nicer than a lot of nay-sayers make them out to be, and the p2000 surprised me with how good it felt in hand.
I cant shoot any of them before I buy, because they're all NIB at gunstores or cabelas, hence my hesitation

>>34833447
So did anyone who isn't a fucking idiot.

>buy CZP07 for less than $400
>buy a good holster for it
>buy som Dawsons
>buy an assload of ammo with the remaining monies
>???

In all seriousness, do consider the P07. Incredible value for a gun.

>>34833470
The custom shot triggers are really really nice

>>34833236
cant stand the shallow slide on the cz
hk for me

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>>34833236

pcr

>>34833337
Quadrithrees confirm

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>>34833236
Get an FNX-9 and feel better.

>>34833236
Since when is Kansas City in Kansas?

>>34833827
I'm guessing since before there was one in Oklahoma?

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>>34833236
I own a USP9c and used to own a CZ P-01. I'd recommend the HK personally but try both first if you can.

>>34833790
I picked up one for 300 back in winter. Outside the ugly digital urban camo, I freaking love it. For 300 bucks I can look past the color. I honestly like shooting more than my g19.

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Try both, ideally buy both. I used to carry a CZ P01 and wouldn't feel any different carrying one again. I just started shooting HKs more and got more accustomed to the trigger and ergonomics.

>>34833851
>I'd recommend the HK personally
any particular reason why?

>>34833790
>>34833925
It's super tempting, but I know I wouldn't be satisfied with not having a PCR
>maybe that's the point though.... hmm

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>>34833236
This is the real decision. Just kidding! HP

>>34834038
No, really. Get a Hi Power.

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>>34833815
yes

>>34833236
CZ.

HK is for mallninja faggots who think that they need a gun with "no compromises" and that HK in fact offers that.

But more honestly my hands really like CZs but don't agree with earlier HK guns much. The slide levers too big and the grip geometries weird feeling to me.

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>>34834038
>>34834050

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>>34833236
I think the recent video that military arms channel did is pretty relevant.

https://youtu.be/Zl3BKsIgRek

He gave an actually decent argument for da/sa guns.

>>34833602
P30 has less capacity. Youre the idiot

>>34834088
>>34834050
>>34834038
I'm not CC'inga bloody hi power

>>34833337
Really doesn't get much better than this. I've only shot the CZ out of the two, but the damn thing shoots like a dream. The double action was the best DA I've shot and the SA is light and crisp.

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>>34834110
Yes.
You.
Fucking.
Are.

>>34834110
Why not? All you need to do is lube it up and hide it in your butt. And when get into self defense situation, you drop your pants and start pulling it out.

>>34833925
>>34833790

I'm leaning towards the suppressor height sights being as I can find them for the same price, I hear they glow which is breddy good but do the stock/not suppressor height sights glow?

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>>34834033
Well to me, the P-01 was kind of a mediocre gun overall. Not a bad one, just wasn't anywhere near as nice as I was lead to believe. The trigger, while not bad, was not good either and it didn't seem to improve after a few hundred rounds. The inset slide was uncomfortable to manipulate and was much more of a negative than a positive to me. One thing that I'll certainly give it is that the grip ergos were great and it looked fantastic with wood grips.

I just found myself never really wanting to shoot it after I got my M&P9c and the USP. I stopped carrying it almost immediately too. The USP has been my carry gun for several years at this point and I'm much happier with it. The grip ergos are fine to me and the trigger feels better. The slide is very comfortable and I just love the look of the USP.

>>34834283
Im a cz fag personally but the USP i got rid of had a much better stock trigger(imo) then my SP01. Woulda kept it if it weren't for the slide release and the face that the beavertail area of the grip created a weird hotspot with my 2nd thumb joint

>>34833236
HK is markedly superior in pretty much every way. well, except slav magic, and maybe aesthetics(subjective).

>>34833268

Possibly.

>>34833268
maybe

>>34834102
Please tell me what scenario you're going to need more than 15 rounds in.

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>>34833815
Nah

>>34833236
I've owned 3 CZ's

Two had the front sight post pop off, the P-07 had it happen on the first shot lol

The 75 Sp-01 had it happen in like 3k rounds

Currently have around 13,000 rounds through 2 HK P30Ls with no issues, about ready to swap mainsprings for longevity

Buy what you want to

>>34834078
Nah, HK is for people who prioritize training and practical shooting, CZ's are amazingly nice crutch guns for folks with bad trigger control, much like 1911's, but they are short lived to say the least. People who shoot a lot either avoid CZ or stock pile spare parts.

>inb4 people who compete use CZsa not HKs!

yep, and people who run practical defensive real world training advocate HKs and don't have a CZ in sight.

>>34833236
Czech yourself.

>>34833827
1872 apparently. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_City,_Kansas

>>34834281
I do know if they do. Mine has the dots fall out before I bought mine (it was used and the early modelse had that problem). I do want to put night sights on it but cz usa is always out of stock and I'm iffy on true glos.

>>34836167

That's what I was worried about. Probably gonna get the sup height sights and change them out later if it's a problem and keep that sexy grey frame

>>34833236
CZ, it's not even close.

>>34836198
I guess if it's your first gun and you're just a plinker, sure.

>>34833236

Both are good handguns. HK is some fancy schmancy German engineering. If you can afford it, go for it. CZ will work just fine too, and if you're on a budget would be the logical choice. You can't go wrong with either, really.

I got an HK P30 and a CZ P07. I carry my P30 on a regular basis and keep the P07 stashed away.

>>34833236
HK

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>>34833236
CZ but Jewish

>>34833433
It's fucked up they did that to you

>>34835961
>Nah, HK is for people who prioritize training and practical shooting

Not really, that's more glock followed by the "whatever works best for you" crowd

>CZ's are amazingly nice crutch guns for folks with bad trigger control, much like 1911's,

Only when tuned and then just as much as other tuned guns. Stock CZs don't have very good trigger in my experience. Noticeably worse than the HKs i've shot in fact.

>but they are short lived to say the least
They do tend to break slide release levers every some odd thousand rounds and occasionally will break TRSs if you keep them going long enough(particularly without lube). HK definitely is better in the hassle free parts department.
>people who run practical defensive real world training advocate HKs
Not from what i've seen. Again, mostly glocks followed by the "whatever works for you and you'll practice with" crowd. Then you've got all your fanboy factions who've latched on to a certain brand.

>>34836778
I guess we listen to the same music but hear a different tune, because I'm not disagreeing with anything you've stated.

>>34836837
That''s how it usually goes with them. Some people just put more value on the different points and see em in a different light because of it

>>34835900
>fsp falling off
Iv'e heard this is relatively common and seems like a piss-easy fix of adding a shim or just staking the sight in place.
I do want both though

>>34834283
I am a little worried about about the small slide surface, having not shot one yet, I cant tell if this will be an issue for me. Just handling the 75 compact in the store, it didn't seem to be an issue and I went in expecting it to be

>>34835961
>or stockpile spare parts
that sounds like me lol if I get the CZ, I know I'm gonna spend a lot of time taking it apart polishing and refinishing internals, that's probably at least half the reason I want one, for tinkering
>inb4 dicking around with your carry piece
not sure what you mean by
>for folks with bad trigger control

>>34836778
excellent commentary, thank you


overall I think it's gonna come down to which one I can find for cheapest in the next month or so, since i doubt ill have the chance to shoot either before i buy
>still having a hard look at the p07 in the mean time

You can't go wrong with either one, but both have their pros and cons. I didn't like how the mag release pinched my finger on the P2000 - the USPc mag release doesn't pinch my finger, but on that gun, I would need to change my grip a bit. The PCR has less surface area in the slide serrations to grip, but it's not a big deal, again, just a matter of getting used to it.

You should also consider a Glock 19/23.

>>34836342
Most parts are sourced from Tanfoglio, so Italian.

>>34837707
1st change to make to the p2000 would be a hk45 mag release, apparently that fixes most ergonomic issues people have with that part

the only striker I would even consider carrying is a p99. I have an aversion to boring shit like glocks

>>34837838
>I have an aversion to boring shit like glocks
Is it a tool to save your life, or is it a fashion accessory?

>>34833236
I can't remember off the top of my head if P2000 is available LEM.

If Light LEM yes, if any other version no and kys

>>34837888
Why can't it be both?

>>34837888
well nazi trips, it has more to do with an engineering fetish than aesthetics, yeah there is something to be said about utilitarian minimal glock engineering and in the same vein, apple products, but thats an incredibly boring kind of cookie cutter production BS that I cant ken with
I love taking shit apart and 'fixing' something that, while isn't broken, has room for improvement. like I said up here >>34837533
And while there isn't much to do to an hk compared to a CZ, it is hammer fired and being able to see and feel the mechanism is what turns me on

>>34837903
I've seen LEM, it's v2, I'm after the v3, da/sa decocker. dunno about 'light' LEM

>>34837940
V1 LEM is the only way to go

DA/SA v3 is shit for P2000 because the DA is trash

V5 or whatever the Decocker safety total clusterfuck version is ok because it can be cocked and locked

But if you want DA, light LEM is the best option shitting over DAK, DA/SA and somewhat greater utility than single Strike not quite DA not quite SA of say a Glock trigger

I'll never not carry a 17/19/26 (for the foreseeable future) but if I had to pick something else it would be P30 V1 LEM or P2000 V1 LEM

>>34837721
Alternatively, cut the middle man out and buy a Witness.

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CZ97B

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>>3483802
Correct

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>>34833236
>Help me decide,/k/

If this is the same guy who made a thread earlier about p226 vs 1911, just go with the cz..May not be an sp01 but it will still be good.

protip, mexico is full of bombs
pic related

>>34838729
nah I'm a different guy, but i might do a couple more of these threads just for kicks on other guns in my short list like
>p99 v steyr
>p2022 vs arex compact

that guy might want to be more concerned with *who's* 1911 rather than p226 vs the giant blanket full of holes and patches that is 1911s on the market

>>34837533
Next time you're able to handle one, rack it a few times. Then imagine trying too did that if your hands were sweaty or you weren't under the best of conditions.

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>>34838756
>p99 v steyr
considering that the supply for p99's is about zero and there's been a shortage of them since like the early 2000's, the steyr.

t. want to fucking die after waiting for a p99 import batch.

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>>34834038
>>34834050
>>34834088
The hi power is an over priced peice of history. Theyre nice guns, but the cost more than a cz75 and arent as good. Other than asthetic there is legitimately no reason to pick a hi power over the cz

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>>34833790
>buying a polymer cz

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>>34834088
>>34834050
>>34834038
>pay the $1100 starting price for a HP
>FN sends them to Proto-huehuehues to be assembled
lol

>>34840480
What's the problem?

>>34834078
>But more honestly my hands really like CZs but don't agree with earlier HK guns much. The slide levers too big and the grip geometries weird feeling to me.
It's because they'r made for grown ups.

>>34838025
That would make EAA the middle man. Objectively one of the worst middle men you can find. Wish tanfoglio had a better importer

>>34834701
I don't know

>>34833252
>>34833268
>>34834695
>>34834701
>>34841127
can you repeat the question

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>>34836342

holy shit these aren't too expensive FUCK

>>34833236
VP9

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>>34834792
>need

>>34840480
>implying theres a problem

>>34837968
I've got a P30 v1 and it's great. Let the CZ fags have their third rate shit.

>>34841456
The older surplus ones *would* be reasonably priced, if there were any available.

>>34841543
I have a USP9c LEM V1, and while the trigger is good for a DA/SA handgun, it's not really any better than a CZ-75B out of the box, and if you put the 400 dollars you save into an aftermarket trigger/hammer/spring upgrade, you'll still have 300 left over and a vastly superior handgun.

>>34841107
pretty much, fuck EAA if you ever need aftermarket parts or service.

>>34834102
The CZ won't make it through an entire mag. The idiot is you.

>>34841808
>>34841543
p30 and usp9's are 'minimum' 200 over my limit, and strikers are gay >>34841503

>>34836342
Would that make it a JZ?

>>34841632
>vastly superior
>rusts when you sweat on it

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>>34841589
I got mine for $400

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>>34840496
Worth it.

>>34841885
Never had the problem. My usp's finish had rubbed off after minor handling though
>>34841907
Mine cost something like 250, sold it for 350, that's the issue. The issue is there are no more left to buy.

>>34842175
But I bought mine just a couple weeks ago

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>>34833236
MAC carries a CZ, so get the CZ.

>>34842196
Where?

>>34842201
Armslist
There's a few other ones too, slide safety though, listed under the name "Baby Eagle"

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the HK DA/SA trigger is going to be heavy and the CZ trigger is going to have some grit and trigger return is a bit far.
Both don't really have clear breaks.

My CZ now has a polished Cajun hammer and their lighter mainspring + extended firing pin cleaned the trigger up and now has a clean break at 3.5 lbs on SA.

As for my USP, I've gotten used to the trigger. In SA, it's not too bad once you get used to it. Probably not gonna change anything, but the DA pull is still up there in weight.

>>34842230
Not interested in the slide safety versions. I'll just wait for more surplus to show up.

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>>34841907
Jericho thread?

>>34842175
The USP has undergone a salt bath nitriding process, the black laquer is just for looks. The steel on it is more impervious to corrosion than stainless steel. Your CZ is probably just blued carbon steel.

>>34842255
CZ is usually polycoat

>>34842235
you're definitely right on the unclear breaks, compared to my friend's 92 and p250 (both a little sloppy and long) theres a definite, but nearly imperceptible pull weight increase that tells you where the break is, the p2000, 75 compact, and p01 i messed with had zero indication of where the trigger was gonna break, but they all had nice triggers.
p2000
>long, smooth DA, a little heavy but even, clean break
> SA felt like DA but with along take up that was at least 2 lbs lighter

CZs
>sharper(?) DA, a bit of grit but not as much as I expected
>SA was basically what I want out of a trigger, but I cant remember what the reset was like

>>34842302
reset on my P-01 is pretty long.

>>34838027
>That picture
Are... are you fucking serious Australia?

>>34842410
my guess is some faggot's dumb mother made a fuss about the boo boo their 17yr old kid got from " running "
>while in reality, their kid got the shit kicked out of them for selling green tea labelled 'bud' to the wrong person

>>34841844
>strikers are gay
Why

>>34842527
i explained my feelings on the subject here
>>34837929

>>34842578
Oh.... so subjective bullshit

>>34833433
Ew. Most people mean cz75 when they recommend cz. I don't like it when people praise cz when all they have is a polymer budget line of a budget brand. It's like sigma owners bragging about having a S&W.

>>34842649
yep. I also prefer zune over itunes, euro beer over any US craft, and battlestar over star wars (withe the exception of empire and rogue 1)
all personal preference that probably wont be swayed any time soon without a large amount of psychedelics

>>34833937
Why do you post this picture every day.

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>>34842811

>>34833470
Don't buy from cabela's breh buy online and get a local transfer

>>34842964
strongly considering it. gonna buy a bunch of nice guns first, then sell them at an exorbitant loss first.

>>34843003
>dont buy from cabela's
they only had the p2000 for me to finger and at 700 nib I could get one off GB for 100 less with shipping and transfer. and after i saw they were trying to sell yugo sks' with a welded gas shutoff and muzzle device for the same price, and VZ2008s with garbage poly furniture for a grand, I'm not buying anything from them

>>34833236
>trash vs near perfect handgun
Get the USP and laugh at plebs.

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>>34843094
Truth.

>>34842199
I'm surprised he doesn't carry a jericho or a baby eagle.

>>34833236
I like my p30 but damn that trigger on the CZ is something else.

>>34843312
That's his keister carry.

>>34833236
the cz would be pure sex if that excess rail was removed

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>>34843976
like a short rail pcr? fuck yes.
>remove red part
>flush fit wood grips to green lines
>smooth trigger guard
>bob beaver tail a bit
>add novak sights

>>34834847
That and the P-09 with a can and raised sights are the sexiest polymer DA/SA gats around.

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I've got both a P01 and a USPc45, so not exactly what you're asking about but close variations. The USPc is my favorite gun of all time, but the cz75 is up there pretty close. I carry both as well, but have been carrying the P01 more recently for whatever reason.

>>34841808
Utter and complete bullshit.

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I'm in a similar situation, either a P-01 or something like a P2000. If I see them for $500 again, then I would be leaning towards the V3, but at the same price I might go the V2.

I liked the feel of the P-01 quite a lot. I've handled a USP compact but it has been a while, I think it was a bit bulky grip wise. I'm left handed so the features of the P2000 would be nice, but not essential. The updated grip on the P2000 looks like it would fair better for me over the standard USP compact.

How does the polygonal rifling take cast handloads? I plan on starting up reloading and casting and heard of issues with poly barrels, and some say that it's fine if you clean them every few hundred rounds.

>>34844801
I think hard cast can be okay but as a general rule of thumb I only run plated/jacketed rounds

>>34833809
where did you get those grips?

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>>34844801
yeah for whatever reason, the uspc's are a few hundo more than the p2000, and I think that modular bckstrap really makes a difference, the USP felt like I needed to be wearing gloves for a comfortable grip, whereas the p2000 felt a LOT like a vp9/p30
>mfw feeling p30 the fisrt time

with a usp I'd be willing to bet it would eat anything you could throw at it, compared to the whole polygonal barrel glocknade thing.
>though for kicks, i'd load some synthetic/frangible bullet as the last round of every magazine, and tell myself it cleans the barrel

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>>34844882
>yeah for whatever reason, the uspc's are a few hundo more than the p2000
The cool factor mostly,plus the p2000 is a bit simplified vs the regular USP. The p2000 is just kinda stuck in the middle of the line, not cool enough to buy because you saw it in a movie, but not the brand new tacticoolest thing like the p30's.

If the p2000 is more vp9 grip wise than USP compact, than I think it should work out pretty well. I liked the vp9 grip pretty good.

>>34844951
simplified how? do you mean less over-built? or simplified internals?

>>34844951
Stop acting like a USP and a USPc are the same thing. None of the cool factor of the USP applies to the USPc.

>>34844801
IIRC leads fine for polygonal barrels. The problem comes in if you get lead in the grooves, don't clean it out, and then run plated through it.

>>34844951
On a side note, can these german manufacturers start making shit with stainless slides again, fuck.
If I had a Stainless USP match and a Stainless P99, I would be set for life 9mm service gun wise.

>>34845001
I am not 100% sure, but I heard the P2000 has some simplified internals. Plus the whole guns is a bit slimmer vs the USPc.

>>34845011
>None of the cool factor of the USP applies to the USPc.


W r o n g
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>>34845037
>>34845011

forgot pic

>>34845037
>Plus the whole guns is a bit slimmer vs the USPc.
fucking sold. USPc confirmed for irrelevant

>>34844882
USPs in 40/45 tend to be some of the more reliable handguns out there. The 9mm on the other hand tend to be relatively problem children.

Most run fine but sometimes they have weird issues and their over built nature leaves them more susceptible to limpwristing than most designs built around 9mm.

One of the guru types over on HK forums probably said it best:

9mm USPs and USPCs aren't unreliable guns. But if a USP comes back to us for warranty work it's almost always a 9mm one.

>>34843134
I want to trap your cat and execute it

>>34845655
put your trip on, antman

>>34833236
one vote CZ

as far as i can tell, counting clear bias for, and exempting votes for usp/p30/vp9/cz97, this is the current vote

>10 for CZ
>7 for HK

CZ P-07 fampai.

http://www.armslist.com/posts/7167200/cincinnati-ohio-handguns-for-sale--cz-p-07?utm_source=c000031&utm_medium=plink&utm_campaign=p717900