WW3 Edging

>WW3 over NK

go to bed CNN jesus christ

the only thing everyone agrees on is that NK is a whiny cunt that needs to be put down, we're just waiting for them to give us an excuse that will hold up once the smoke clears

>>34830962
why do retards still think nork korea will cause WW3? if the US attacked them, china and russia wouldn't give a single shit

>>34830986
North Korea has a big ass military man, its not going to be a little skirmish

>>34831007

their troops would never get to fire a single bullet

>>34831007
Just like Iraq during desert storm huh?

>>34831015
Kek
You dont understand the military of NK at all do you?
Theyre not retarded, most of their army have literally been trained out of the womb to hate and fight America
They have just as many preliminary strategies in place as we do. If we dont resort to nukes(which would honestly be unlikely) then that means we have to fight them man to man, old school. Theyre not NVA hiding in the ground or Iraqi tribesmen with AK's and T-34's, these guys have a massive, well equipped and well trained military thats rapidly catchig up technologically
It will be the first time since ww2 that the US fights a professional and advanced military

>>34830962
>should North Korea act unwisely.
Which means nothing is going to happen because North Korea isn't going to strike first. They'll just continue developing their nuclear strike capability until it reaches the point where the world is forced to normalize relations with them.

>>34831029
Iraq had about 650,000 soldiers and extremely outdated equipment and piss poor training
The Norks have a military almost on par with ours

>>34831015
>their troops would never get to fire a single bullet
Holy shit I hate people like you

>>34831072
Not even worth a bait jpeg

>>34831065
A boy can dream of another pacific war

>>34831072
>on par
>uses soviet era tech

>>34830962
this dumb fucking white nigger cant even use commas and he's the fucking president

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>>34831056

They're a crumbling communist shithole with dated equipment and questionable morale.

>Theyre not NVA hiding in the ground or Iraqi tribesmen with AK's and T-34's, these guys have a massive, well equipped and well trained military thats rapidly catchig up technologically

So instead of T-34's they have some other soviet trash from the 70s they traded for slave labor. Instead of hiding in caves they stand at the ready without stopping to eat or sleep. These are not world class soldiers and they have not seen war since the 1950s. Go to bed CNN.

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>>34831072
I'm going to come over there and stick my dick in your ass if you keep that shit up nigger

>>34831056
>professional and advanced military
>brainwashed nork manlet larpers with 0 experience
ok

>>34831095
It would just be boring Korean War 2.0

>>34831092

NK is the one instance where this is actually a possibility. We've been ready to flatten them for so long it would probably take place in such a short time that they wouldn't be able to react.

Honesty I think its all CNN drama,nobody gives a shit.
Chinks haven't stated anything on the matter and even in US does something foolish Chinks will stay put because dem sweet US cash.

>>34831139
We are not going to glass an entire nation you fucking dildo

>>34831072
Not even american but they are 80s at best.

>>34831149
>glass an entire nation

We don't have to. At all.

>>34831139
Apparently you're not old enough to remember people saying the same thing about every M.E. nation back in 2001/2002

>>34830962
too bad Kim doesnt have a twitter account...

>>34831139
You guys really need to stop this one week meme,its been proven over and over that US cant win wars that fast.

>>34831102
>norks have access to EMP's and various other Electronic Warfare equipment
>have modern Russian Aircraft like Su-25s
>over 5,000 modern tanks designed in the 80's
Whats with hicks like you thinking North Korea is a stone age country

>>34831072
Bait hook, line, and sinker
>Iraq
>80's russian equipment at best
>NK
>80's russian equipment at best
Am I missing something here

I WISH I WISH

they listened to the young leader and launched just one JUST ONE missile in the show of "we're not afraid amerikun"

would it be enough to raise hell?

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>>34831097
W-what are they carrying in those bags brehs?

>>34830962

>90% of the population flees to SK/chinese borders and is denied passage/mass murdered by military forces on NK side of border
>can pretty much scorched earth it from there knowing literally nobody cares about NK lives
>absolutely ruin yet another small nation with soviet surplus tech who is too stupid to know better inside a week

>>34831165

The governments went down fast, the reason it took "longer" is because we stuck around to try and police everything afterward, and the ME is full of revolutionary assholes trying to take power.

NK isn't like that at all.

>>34831192
Dirty bombs

>>34831155
>tfw the Abrams is just as outdated

>>34831174
>1980-1989 the soviet union didnt exist, is this what you are implying
That's outdated tech my man, the 80's was almost 40 years ago

>>34831202
>implying US is will push land invasion

>>34831192
Irridiated Glocks

>norks get ICBM
>fear mongering
>absurd going into the military industrial complex.

More money circulating the economy. Truly, he is the master of the deal.

>>34831192
nothing actually

>>34831194
>NK isn't like that at all.
Yes. It. Fucking. Is.

They have a much larger and well put together military than Iraq. We absolutely have to occupy North Korea and ensure the removal and destruction of every last nuclear weapon.

We cannot just topple a nuclear nation and expect itself to pick up the pieces or let anyone else come in to pick up the pieces. We absolutely have to be in charge of the invasion and occupation of North Korea.

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>>34831216

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>>34831209
>the 80's was almost 40 years ago

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>crush the norks with your mind

>>34831175
>US still using tanks, planes, and rifles from the late 70's- early 80's
Iraq was about half the size of the Nork army and literally using ww2 tanks
How fucking inbred are you?

>>34831072
No. Forget the outdated tech, anime-tier training, and inability of the government to give their soldiers sufficient ammunition. They're average height is 3 inches shorter than the average South Korean. They're incredibly malnourished. Their men will be physically less capable than our soldiers

>>34831228
>We absolutely have to occupy North Korea

I'm sure SK and China would be more than happy to handle it for us.

>>34831228
So we have completely industrialize another Asian country?

>All the ego defensive American insecurity in here

The North Koreans literally have a military that is in both manpower and in some respects, technology, better than most European forces save for the UK, and even then the UK only bests them because of their navy, it's the reason why no Europeans have dared speak on the matter of North Korea. It would be extremely unwise for the American brass to underestimate the North Korean defence capability.

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>>34831072

>>34831231
>1980 + 37 = 2017
>37 rounded up is 40
>almost 40
Good thing school is about to start back up you need to catch up on some math homework.

>>34831251
China is already doing that to them.

>>34830962
Drumpf is a fucking warmonger.

>>34831246
>letting SK and China occupy North Korea and handle their nuclear material and weapons is in our best interest.
That'll work well for us when it turns out that somehow AQAP or the Houthi's got their hands on one or two of NK's nukes.

>>34831257
When did the norks get internet access?

>>34831257
I'm an American and I'm trying to get these inbred fucks to understand that

>>34831192
If i had to guess, probably lunch.

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>>34831246
>we're going to cause a humanitarian crises and make South Korea pay for it

art of the deal

>>34831261
i don't think you understand what he's implying

>>34831281
They have intranet and VPNs through China for decades.

>>34831281
Theyve had it for a while
Its just heavily restricted
Probably has no porn either

>>34831246
The point he's making is that we don't want anyone but Americans being in charge of nuclear weapons related things

obviously SK will help when we tell them to but china is the last nation we want being involved in this. perhaps we'll even uncover evidence of china assisting NK in some way and we'll be on even worse terms with them.

>>34831192
A painter's smock with cinchable hood and a 3m dust respirator

>>34831244
Could you list specific tanks and planes that we still use from 1970-1989 please.
Additionally
>comparing 80's russian tech to modern US equipment shiggy diggy doo.

>>34831298
No need when you have domestic grade A puss.

>>34831305
m1 abrams
a10

>>34831288
Perhaps all the autism jokes I've made have gotten to me and now I have acquired it. Please elaborate.

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>>34831298
>Probably has no porn either

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornography_in_North_Korea

>>34831281
I'm from Ireland. my friend.
>>34831282
Keep up the effort. At least all of us over here in Europe know that we'd easily get decimated by North Korean tenacity, or get bogged down in a extremely bloody war of attrition. I'd highly encourage your countrymen to reassess the situation before cheering on any military engagements in the Korean Peninsula.

>>34831261
Obligatory "not him, but"
>lowest number than can reasonably be rounded up to 40
>35
>"80s was almost 40yrs ago"
>end of the 80s was at the end of 1989
>1989+35=2024
You'll be less wrong around the time you finally graduate high school, champ!

>>34831320
he expresses disbelief and despair that so much time has passed

>>34831244
Implying that our planes, tanks, and guns are from the 70s and 80s is ignoring the massive block upgrades and mass-issued high-end optics we have incorporated into our military. The US military of today isnt running first-issue M1 Abrams with 105mms and M16A1s with iron sights, nor are we flying Block 1 F-15s.

>>34831325
>mongolian

>>34831310
And those designs haven't been changed one iota since 1989 onward at all

>>34830962
I wish a nigga would. I seriously do.

I'd get hundreds of hours of entertainment from all the combat footage and eventual documentaries.

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>>34831244
>T-72s and T-62s are WWII era

The Norks are still literally operating T-34s.

>>34831325
>yfw you realize only grorious reader has access to the internet
>yfw you have a list of Kimmy's fetishes

>>34831344
wrong person, meant for
>>34831175

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>>34831325
Fuck you Mongorians

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>>34831325
>Japanese game show

>>34831344
>implying the norks havent done the same
They bootleg modern tech through China and Russia all the time, what makes you think they havent done so with tryinng to update their equipment
I highly doubt theyre looking at the flashy shit we constantly advertise on the international markets for our military and ignore it, theyre just infinitely more secretive and underhanded

>>34831244
>literally using ww2 tanks
Mfw T-72s were around in WWII

>>34831352
In limited numbers for parade use
Their most modern tank is some Korean invention from the 80's based on Russian designs

>>34831192

YELLOWCAKE

DONT DROP THAT SHIT

>>34831338
>1980-82 wasn't part of the 80's (plural) so you can't round up like that
Maybe when I get a degree I can be as smart as you bud.

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>>34831325
>Japanese Game Show

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>>34831399
4u

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>>34831072

>>34831056
>If we dont resort to nukes(which would honestly be unlikely) then that means we have to fight them man to man, old school
You forget that North Korea doesn't have an air force. Their planes are from the 50's. We will use our air power to bomb the ever-loving fuck out of their shithole of a country. An army of millions of bodies doesn't mean shit if you don't have air power. North Korea's a joke, and Kim knows it.

>>34831341
That's unfortunate, I feel for this man; I too miss the 80's

>>34831390
Majority of Saddams tanks were T-34/85's and a few T-55's
Pretty outdated shit by the time the Abrams hit them, and considering the most recent Nork tank(which have confirmed at least 1,000 exist) was designed a couple years after we first introduced the Abrams, so it stands to reason that Iraq =/= North Korea you fuckin illiterate

>>34831428
Didnt Realize they had Mig-29's and Su-25's in the 50's

>>34830962
>Whats your WW3 plan
Watch as all the volunteers and healthy fighting men get drafted while I sit stateside after already getting rejected for not being able to pass a single psyche evaluation. I'll lay back and nap while I witness millions of men leave the country as I courageously give their wives, girlfriends, etc. the attention they miss.
>wouldn't you feel bad fucking the girlfriend of someone fighting for your life?
lol

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>>34831487
Watch out guys this guy is no joke

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>>34831487
>yfw you realize the person behind this post is some 883 imperial metric pound faggot who needs an overheard hoist crane to move around the house

>>34831175

Norks might have proper military training and discipline. Terrain is also more suitable for defense.

>>34831244
>2 rations of rice have been allocated to your family's food allowance

>>34831326
That's because Euros have no faith in their selves, let alone their militaries. On a country wide base you've all been neutered and psychologically cucked, with only handful of Euro states keeping their balls.

The vast majority of the great Europeans died or emigrated long ago.

>>34831487
Are you being a retard on purpose?

>>34831257
>The North Koreans literally have a military that is in both manpower and in some respects, technology, better than most European forces
Yeah, because America's footing the bill

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>>34831540
>you've all been neutered
>cucked
>keeping their balls.

>The vast majority of the great Europeans died or emigrated long ago.

Americans, I know you're not all walking cringeballs, but some of you are peerless experts at dropping cringe bombs every time you open your mouths to say anything

>>34830962
Korean War 2 would be over in like 48 hours. We have a non retarded general and a Commander In Chief who gives no fucks.

>>34831455
>y was designed after x
>it must be better!

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>>34831557
I'm Canadian

>>34830986
Yeah, it's not like China has ever sided with NK before and went to war with the US over them

>>34831487
>pass a single psyche evaluation
>women
hoho me too

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>>34831571
That's even worse. At least Amerifats are actually relevant and good for something.

>>34831402
You may literally be retarded. consider seeking help.

>talking about how long ago "the 80s" were
>tries to use how long ago they began instead of how long ago they ended

Protip: 1980-19182 being in the 80s doesn't suddenly change the fact that 1989 was in the 80s.

Do you even understand how decades work? any self respecting troll would've at least gone with 1985. Much easier point to defend with retard logic.

>>34831572
Do you really believe China and NK are still buddy buddies?

>>34831379
>>34831403
Is kim /ourguy/?

Let me dream. When Iraq War happened, i was hoping it would escalate to WW3 (but it didn't). This conflict might be my only change to kill ruskies/chinks in my lifetime.

>>34831600
>1980-19182 is the 80's
Wtf I hate the 80's now (current year)

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>>34831639
Ruskies and chinks have agreed to sanctions over NK

>>34831285
>Norks
>Food

Come on now

>>34831615
Doesn't have anything to do with them being buddies. It's a function of geography.

Or are you not aware of China's need for expansion?

You think China is going to allow the US to set up anothrr puppet regime on their door step?

China's current position is in line with their historic positions. If NK is the aggressor they will be neutral (not really) if the US is the aggressor they will support NK. They've said this, yesterday. I'd probably believe them

>>34831381
They want it but are under every sanction under the sun, and frankly can't afford it, nor can they successfully mass produce their own versions. They have X resources, but virtually everything they want costs X+1.

>>34831465
They may not be from the 50s as many anons say, but their planes will still get eaten alive by F-15s, F-22s, and whatever we throw at them.

That's assuming their planes even get a chance to take-off before the air-fields get tomahawked, and that's assuming they don't run out of fuel.

>>34831487
We won't have a draft to fight North Korea.

>>34831528
Terrain is one thing that hasn't been considered. Iraq was a rofl-stomp in part because the brunt of our superior technology could be brought to bare on them in an open desert. Engagement ranges in DPRK will be closer than Iraq, and they HAVE spent a lot of time prepping and tunneling. It will be a US victory, but it WILL be slower than Desert Storm or Afg or Iraq 2.

>>34831570
Usually, but not always. I'd rather have a B-2 than a B-29, and I'd rather have a Honda civic than a Ford Pinto.

>>34831593
Canadians make the best snipers apparently.

>>34831615
I think, if anything, China will move 50 kilometers down from their border, call it an exclusion zone, set up DMZ 2.0, and that's where things will stand for all time. China gets a third of North Korea and their precious buffer zone, we get to deal with all the clean-up, and our armies stay far, far apart from one another to reduce any """misunderstandings""".

>>34831665
Posturing. China's economy is joined to the hip to the US. Any threat to that will cost them far, far more than dealing with ANOTHER of the SEVERAL US-allied nations right on their door.

China has to juggle:
>Russia
>India
>Vietnam
>Phillipines (on-off US Allied, even if they never fought)
>Japan
>Taiwan
>Republic of Korea

just to name the major powers they've had conflicts with at one time or another, within living memory. China is surrounded by countries that will continue to resist its expansion, and who are already leaning towards the US. Wanting a rogue nuclear state is far worse for them than a small, leashed puppet province.

>>34831705
If north Korea falls what the fuck are all the norks going to do?

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>>34831571
>I'm Canadian

>>34831745
Most will probably flee into China, where they will be taken and processed as "refugees" then either moved BACK into DPRK (or again, the "special exclusion zone") or shipped abroad. China doesn't want to deal with them, and the international community can't MAKE China deal with a bunch of malnourished people who speak the Korean equivalent of Ebonics. The issue of what to do with the civilians is the #1 issue with any invasion plan. All the prospective neighbors are Asian countries that take "fuck off, we're full" to its logical conclusion. So... they'll have to stay, and be cared for.

The Humanitarian aspect is the real deterrent. We saw how hard it was to combine East and West Germany, and those places were not nearly as disparate as North and South Korea are today. The DRPK people are likely permanently impaired by lack of health care, undernourishment, and abuse. They speak a degenerate Korean tongue. It will probably be at least a 3 generation effort to get them into anything resembling a normal life. These are people who have no real concept of how to LIVE in a modern society; no real idea of how voting works, what it can accomplish, South Korea is basically going to have to step in with "benevolent communism" just to get these people working to rebuild, distribute aid, and socially adjust. It'll be the largest humanitarian mission since post-WW2 rebuilding, if not all-time.

>>34831325
>>34831353
Lmao they are too specific, they MUST be only Kim's search terms

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>>34831515
>imperial
>metric
>pound

>>34831745
Join South Korea and then vote as a monolith and bring back glorious leader duh!

>>34831257
>It would be extremely unwise for the American brass to underestimate the North Korean defence capability.

t.increasingly nervous microdick nork internet psycop technichian

>>34831428
Another problem: food. They have Soviet style One Big Warehouse mentality. We'd have air supremacy in a few days, then send in the MOABs. Only can live so long on grass.

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>>34831348

>>34831487

What girlfriend?

> mfw I become buff and get a qt korean widow gf in the army

>>34831455
>Majority of Saddams tanks were T-34/85's and a few T-55's
Are you being serious right now?

>>34831846
That's a scary thought
Does SK even care about a unified peninsula?

>>34832134
Australian here, this type of thinking is exactly why most countries have a significant fraction of their population that dislikes America.

you're a world superpower, you've been one since WW2, and as a result you've become completely separated from the realities of war, and foreign policy. you think that everyone loves you, or that everyone is just a couple of bombs and a few CIA officers away from loving you. you believe that everyone likes freedom, or is even capable of acting in freedom's favour. this is a very dangerous world view, since it relies upon your dominance. the moment that you go up against someone who is even 50% of your power, all of your present strategies will begin to fail. the only thing separating America from the punishment that the Germans went through is a policy of overthrowing all governments that are attempting to elevate themselves. that may not work in the future.

yes, this war may end up like Iraq. yes, you may roll in and rip those gooks a new one. but there's also a very good chance that they won't immediately buckle once you start throwing planes around, and if that happens you're going to be in hell.

remember, all military planners were absolutely certain that the Iraqi war was going to result in massive American casualties. everyone was surprised when the Iraqi military instantly failed.

>>34831325
>"A locally produced pornographic film typically involves nude or scantily clad women dancing to music."

yes plz

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>>34831257
You can't be serious. You literally can not be serious.
NK>France
NK>Sweden

>>34831325
you never know where you end up once you look at wikipedia...

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_pornography

>>34832419
I'm not saying I wanted to know about this, but I'm curious how I managed to go this long without knowing about it

>>34831007
This has got to be bait. Nobody is this retarded.

>>34831056
>professional
>advanced
>well-equipped

Hahahahahaha. In a world where the United States could completely obliterate any other country on Earth without taking significant damage (sans Russia) you think NK has even an inking of a chance at holding them off? Hahahahahahaha. I'm laughing at how fucking stupid you are.

>>34831072
I am become bait, destroyer of threads.

>>34831245
Manlets. When will they learn?

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>>34831072
You?.......what??????

>>34830983
>dumpf tweets
>blames cnn for fake news

>>34831745

Crash economy and economic growth of South Korea for at least 30 or 40 years. It is like German reunification without EU, rest of western Europe poured money into East Germany as underdeveloped region before other ex-commie countries joined EU and preparation for that began few years earlier. Germany only had decade or so of economic stagnation.

>>34832299

They try not to think about it as it ruin their economy for a long time.

>>34832726

In war or POW camps during and after the war. Fun fact, manlets have better chances of surviving that shit. Regardless was it Soviet Gulag, Nazi labor camps or Japanese hellships or funny railroad construction projects.

>>34832673
You have a childish and mediocre understanding of the US
We havent updated the majority of our equipment since the 80's
Hell we still have a sizeable amount of F-15's that could be easily out done by a Nork Mig-29
Theyve been updating their equipment just as much as we have

>>34832882
US pilots are leagues above Nork ones. To compare Nork readiness and maintenence to the US is fucking insane

>>34832919
What do you think the Norks are doing? Baking fucking cookies? They'be literally only been working on one fucking thing for 50 years: besting the US, you honestly fucking believe they dont know what theyre up against? They wouldnt be fucking with us if they knew they would get beaten with ease, and on the other side of that coin if beating the Norks was that fuckin easy we would have done it decades ago

>>34832860
Really? I'm not doubting you, I just want to know the reasoning for it

>>34831572
>it's still 1953
My god this board is full of children.

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>>34831174
>>norks have access to EMP's and various other Electronic Warfare equipment
EMP is a meme you fuck, There is no way to use one without fucking yourself as bad as you do the enemy, To make a sizable EMP blast requires a high altitude Nuclear detonation, How many missile do you think we have waiting to launch? Now Add subs, now the Carrier forces
To try would be suicide and they know it.

>>have modern Russian Aircraft like Su-25s
>The Russian equivalent of the A-10A is "Modern"
So you think the A-10 is cutting edge tech I take it
>>over 5,000 modern tanks designed in the 80's
Designed in the 80's, so 40 years ago.
Designed date is irrelevant without upgrades to keep pace, The Popkung-Ho is equivilant to T-72M

>Whats with hicks like you thinking North Korea is a stone age country
Pic related, South Korea and China around it show why it's viewed so poorly

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>>34832314
Yikes. Why the fuck do third world actually believe that their opinion of America is something that anyone cares about?

Did that nigga really write that much?

>>34832882
>Hell we still have a sizeable amount of F-15's that could be easily out done by a Nork Mig-29
What am I reading, I feel stupidier for knowing I'm on the same planet as you

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>>34832969

>>34832314
>remember, all military planners were absolutely certain that the Iraqi war was going to result in massive American casualties. everyone was surprised when the Iraqi military instantly failed.
which Iraqi war are you talking about? The first one or the second one? Because the First one is the one before which everyone assumed the Americans would bite off more than they could chew and find themselves in a meat grinder, the second was the political quandary that dragged on for a decade.

Not even an Amerifat desu, but the outcome of the Gulf War and the extreme speed and brutality with which coalition forces ran through the Iraqis (then one of the top 5 biggest armies in the world) stunned the world and made certain nations, especially former Soviet-sphere states and China rethink shit their trousers and rethink their entire defence doctrines which were up to that point, "Ha! The Amerikan cant even fight the jungle vietcong, there is no war he can win anymore"

>>34833045
Are you fuckin retarded?
Mig-29 is infinitely better than the F-15

>>34832788
>I cant read

>>34833064
>The first one or the second one?
the first one, obviously.

>>34832882
>1 dumpling deposited onto your slave labor camp lunch tray

>>34832969
>What do you think the Norks are doing?
Not upgrading shit, that's what.

>They'be literally only been working on one fucking thing for 50 years: besting the US
lol

>you honestly fucking believe they dont know what theyre up against? They
They do, which is why the want to give the illusion of a rogue "will fire at anytime" state. They know that would be there demise, and if they started it, neither Russia nor China will be in a place to intervene even if they wanted to.

>and on the other side of that coin if beating the Norks was that fuckin easy we would have done it decades ago
This wasn't the case until the late 80s. Until then, it was quite literally anybodies ballgame, especially when you consider the fact that it was the Cold War and the UN was unsure about the possibility of intervention by the PRC or the USSR. Once the Gulf War happened, it showed just how bad every faucet of Soviet style war fighting ability was in a conventional war, hence their withdrawal of Nuclear non proliferation.

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>>34833068

>>34831641
Not them but you realize that you dont sound fun to be around in real life.

>>34831259
Saved

>>34831286
The South Koreans should have hustled harder in the first Korean war if they didn't want to deal with this

>>34832882
This is simply not true, at all.

Even if it WAS true, our pilots recieve more flight hours than pretty much anyone, our planes are better maintained, and we actually have FUEL.

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>>34831216
heheheheheheh

>>34830983
>not realising NK will drag China into this
maybe not WW3 but Korea part 2 for sure

>>34833333
NK has no power and over China, what the absolute fuck are you on about?

>>34830962

>impossible

Nothing is impossible during the desperate times of war.

We will impose it when we actually need men.

>>34830962
>ww3
lolno, it will be the gulf war all over again.

>>34831487
the fact that they even noticed you were weird enough to give you a psych evaluation says it all.

>>34831143
>government admits to actively running strategy meetings on how to take Guam
Its gonna be like Pearl Harbor and Iwo Jima had a baby. Except with even more shitty, danger close air support

>>34833393
NK wont dare to cause an incident,but its not the first time US starting crusade over shady reports from aluminum tubes to some drunk sailor on watch duty.

>>34833349
Your mom imposes men on herself every time she needs them

>>34831215
>implying we don't know how hard indoctrinated chinks fight

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>>34831072

>>34833429
Which is why we are going to offer air support and artillery while the Koreans march into commie land. The minute they see roundeye they are going to go into guerilla mode because it becomes another country trying to conquer them instead of their misguided brother having a go

>>34831282
Go back to /int/ you defeatist fuck

>>34833415
the difference is, this time they admit they have the tubes, and all the other wmd facilities they brag about on their TV, and are threatening the US directly.

Saddam never said he'd wash America in a sea of flames, or anything to that extent, nor did he actively talk about his new missiles that could reach the US, while trying to put nukes on said missiles.

Think of it this way:

Saddam we invaded because we heard he had a gun but he's a felon who isnt allowed to have that.

North Korea, in contrast, keeps bragging about his awesome new "human killing" rifle and we keep seeing ammo and reloading equipment shipped to his door, and we keep hearing gunshots from his back yard, and he keeps threatening to shoot his brother, Japan, and America.

>>34833429
>implying NK which operates on a ponzi scheme of intimidation and indoctrination would have the same spirit as what we encountered in Vietnam, the area that repelled Genghis Khan 3 times, gained independence from China several times, etc.

at best I think you would see North Koreans committing sudoku rather than give up fighting due to propaganda akin to WW2 Japan. They are probably taught about how the rest of the world is a shit that will rape their assholes after their AKMs run out of ammo

>>34831465
>>34831705

Also:
>implying NK can afford the fuel for proper pilot training/hours

>>34831487
>implying women want the attention of a basement mouthbreather that probably couldn't even get into MEPS, let alone get a ride there from his mom

Okay man

>>34833508
That is exactly what they are taught anon, that we are living Fallout-tier subsistance lives as poor slaves, while Supreme Leader Kim has turned the DPRK into the "Happiest Place on Earth". They are taught that they have unparalleled prosperity in comparison to us, where in reality an upper-level DPRK officer has a standard of living approaching maybe working class in the US. They are taught we are violent imperialists who will torture them, rape them to death, and eat them, and if that if they are lucky we will do it in that order.

>>34830962
Has no one ever watched those documentaries about North Korea? And how the escapees confirm that pretty much everyone knows their country and doctrine is bullshit, but are too terrified to say it because they know they'll go to a gulag?

After the first one sided engadgment, they'd be fucking done, especially the civilian population, if they aren't executed or transported with the remnants of their retreating divisions.

>>34833556
It's probably different for those that actually work in Pyongyang. They have no idea how bad it really is outside the city

>>34833554
yeah I feel like the fear mongering they instill will probably have a net negative effect and they'll be scared shitless about the fucking American ass pirates coning for their booty and their rice rations

>>34833554
Didnt imperial Japan pretty much do the same?
Legit question; how was the US able to industrialize the country with the locals having this mentality?

>>34830986
>why do retards still think Serbia will cause WW1? if Austria attacked them, France and Russia wouldn't give a single shit

I'd also like to note we didn't think the PRC would intervene the first go around either.

>>34833556
It's weird, they are taught one thing, but the escapees confirm they have an idea of the truth.

That said, escapees are unlikely to be terribly representative. I'm sure, on a great bell curve, about 1/6th know its complete shit, 1/6th are true believers, and the remaining 2/3rds are so poor they dont care as long as we dont rapemurder them, or at least are ambivalent

>>34833568
When your coworkers, friends, or their family members "disappear" on a regular basis, they aren't dumb enough to suspect nothing is going on.

I recommend Gulag Archipelago to anyone, as it highlights in detail even common people's awareness of how crooked and objectively evil their government is. They know they're being controlled, and will be killed or worked to death for stepping out of line even just a little bit. Jesus, they even know how hard they have to take cry to keep up public opinion of themselves when their original leader is mentioned...kind of like how you could never be the first one to stop clapping after Stalin gave a speech: you knew you'd be found out.

Their populace would give in quickly, like how the Ukrainians and Baltic Republics initially welcomed the Wehrmacht as saviors in 1941.

NK moral would be low they would just mass surrender and the fanatics would kill themselfs or die fighting

>>34833611
>and the remaining 2/3rds are so poor they dont care as long as we dont rapemurder them, or at least are ambivalent
If that's the case, then the bulk of the population would be easy to pacify.

>>34831072

Not sure which is sadder: That you might actually believe this or you thought this would actually be good bait.

Here's a (You) for trying.

>>34833601
Because the Japanese by that point accepted that we won, and there wasnt any incentive to keep fighting. Plus, homogenous cultures being what they are, they sorta all just "followed the leader".

The Japanese at the end were broke. We unleashed a technology they hadnt ever seen. We firebombed Tokyo, and other places. We had more boats than they did planes. Their Emperor folded. It was all over.

It doesnt hurt that America isnt a brutal occupier. Propaganda aside, we arent chaotic evil orcs driven to pillage and rape for the sake of wanton slaughter. We beat them THEN GAVE THEM MONEY TO REBUILD.

Thats what losing to America looks like, you get bombed, but then we pay to rebuild a lot of stuff we destroyed in the first place.

>>34833647
>when we realize that the solution is airdropping cheeseburgers we will win the East

>>34833604
>I'd also like to note we didn't think the PRC would intervene the first go around either.
PRC was hostile to America at the time, now they NEED our money to keep their factories churning out consumer products.

They'd only openly fight us if they were certain they could turn us into a colony, and they're nowhere close to being tech savvy enough to take us on, and without superior tech, their human waves don't mean a lot besides being impressive on paper.

>>34833556
I read an article a while back that said most NK families own at least one contraband item, radios and the such.

>>34833636
>take cry to keep up public opinion
*fake cry

>>34833636
North Korea's system is a bit difference. If you work for the government, there are great odds that your family works for the government. I'm not saying that the workers are completely oblivious, but if you live in Pyongyang, you work for the government, and the government provides you and your family a modest life, and you have very little reason to actually venture outside the city.

>>34833662
Fuck yeah I'dl enlist in the Whataburger CORP

>>34833601
the imperial japanese, for the most part, didn't 100% agree with what they were told and most of them didn't want to be at war. the upper officers and the brainwashed ones did actually believe everything, a good example of those types is the bloke who fought a one man guerilla war for 20 years after WW2, not knowing it ended.

it turns out that if you simply go to the lower level soldiers (and the civilians) and give them food/assurance that no, you're not going to kill them, they all begin to cooperate. that's what we learned in WW2 (read about the japanese that surrendered, interesting stuff, once they're separated from japan/the japanese culture/enforcement of the japanese culture they fold and assist you), and that's what will 100% happen in north korea.

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>>34833333
>33333
Ooooh boy.

>>34833676
They know their government is bullshit, they just can't do anything about it.

I think it'd be neat to airdrop a bunch of liberator pistols on them like we wanted to for occupied France in WWII, and watch the ensuing chaos.

>>34833688
Given the communists' love of checkpoints, I think its a valid question if those people are largely even ALLOWED to leave the city.

>>34833647
They'll probably start lining around the block to get in on that good "penicillin" and "Chicken Fajita MRE" stuff we have.

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>>34831628

are you aware of his world of tanks habits?

are you also aware of him getting kicked out of a school test for looking at bondage porn?

>>34833745
>I think its a valid question if those people are largely even ALLOWED to leave the city.
Hardly. I'm a little fuzzy on the details, but I'm pretty sure unless you had a really good reason to leave the city, like visiting a dying relative, you had to be chaperoned by someone, and even then, your trips had to be coordinated with the government, and you needed to be timely, or the government would get suspicious

>>34830962
Supposed increase in activity in N. Korean shipyard. Wonder where they're sending their sub(s)?

http://www.38north.org/2017/08/sinpo081117/

>>34831119
D-DELETE THIS!!!

>>34833779
Wait, what?
Some shit to back that up? Sounds wild.

>>34830962
>Is it habbening finally /k/?
Not unless there's some other factor
NK has been fear mongering for decades and nothing happened, now we too have to deal with a fear mongering president trying to stroke his own ego and look tough on foreign policy for re election. He's a sensitive vagina in a suit that doesn't want other people to like the things he doesn't like, nothing's going to happen.

>>34833647
I'd imagine food, a shower and clothing not made of rock goes a long way

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>>34833943

>Like everyone, the team said the rulers check social media accounts, search the web, browse Amazon, stream videos, use iTunes and download content via BitTorrent. They also game, with the data showing massively multiplayer online (MMO) title World of Tanks is popular.

>Facebook is the most widely-used social networking site inside the country, despite reports that it, Twitter, YouTube, and a number of others had been blocked by North Korean censors in April 2016.. Mondays and Tuesdays had the most online activity, the report added.

.......

>Kim secretly attended two schools in Switzerland under the pseudonym Pak-un, where he is said to have been good at music and technical studies - and bad at maths and science.

>During his time at the Liebefeld-Steinholzi school, staff had not idea who his father was.

>They were continually fobbed off with various excuses by the teenage pupil’s shadowy chaperones about why his parents could not attend end of term meetings.

>He once got in trouble when a teacher, checking pupils’ bags for cheat notes before an exam, caught him with a bondage porn mag.

he might even be in this thread right now

>>34834081
This is fucking gold

I don't know wether or not people in this thread saying that NK is a well put together "military" are larping or not. But I do know one thing, they sure are stupid.

>>34834081
Please tell me you have proofs of him playing World of Tanks, because if that fucker blew me up with pay-to-win ammo he deserves every last bomb we drop.

Also
>buying porn mags. Is it 2001?

>>34834182
Never mind, now that I think about it, it WOULD be around 2001 when he was a teen.

>>34834081
WHY IS THE NSA NOT RUNNING A BUNCH OF BONDAGE PORN WEBSITES?

SERIOUSLY

>run a bunch of bondage porn websites
>check every single IP
>for normal IPs, just act as a normal bondage porn website
>for real, take payments, deliver content, respond to emails, just run a normal website
>for north korean IPs, serve an exploit kit with every zero day on the planet

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>>34834182

/k/ should set out to find him on WoT, mebey we could convince him to be nice, he sounds like a cool guy IRL

>>34830962
Help I cant cum until north korea invades somebody

>>34833673
If people were rational actors, we wouldn't be in this situation. Don't expect logic when we're through the looking glass and don't pretend these things can't easily spiral out of control.

>>34834221
Who says they aren't?

>>34831192

Dragon dildos.

Fuck muh amairica and muh pew pew. Amuricans are just EU inbreds

>>34830983
WWs have always been a chain reaction.

>>34832973

Small guys survive on leaner rations or practical lack of rations better.

based /v/pol/b/ threads

>>34830986
World War 1 was started over less than this

>>34834427
But Europeans are brain damaged and incapable of diplomacy. The concern here is whether we can defuse this mounting standoff diplomatically, or at the very least find a way of simply avoiding Norks altogether while keeping SK safe.

>>34833294
You know, I don't fear NK or hate NK, but their fat asshole leader is so...plump, I kind of wonder what the tribe from Green Inferno would think of him roasted up.

>>34833333
Waste of quints

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>>34832882
>obligatory

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>>34834278
>/k/ saves the world by playing video games with a korean dude

>>34831192
Chinese MREs

gooks will eat anything

>>34830983
>>34830986
>A war encompassing all of Europe and Africa with naval skirmishes in the Americas and some smaller scale conflict in Asia? Over one Serbian nationalist doing something shitty?

>by the time Kim reached my age he was head of a fucking country
Can someone please nuke this guy before I feel like even more of a failure than I already am?

>>34834552
Sort of a good point, but the world is nowhere near as tied up in bullshit treaties like Europe was. Also, keep in mind that the reason the war spread across the globe in WWI (and WWII) was that the European nations starting the war were in control of all those far-flung places. It wasn't a war between European nation A and Pacific island X Vs. European nation B and Pacific Island Y, it was a war between European nation A Vs. European nation B and also all their colonial holdings.

>>34834644
>Mark Zuckerberg was already a billionaire at 25

maximum wew desu

>>34831744
China will never permit a US presence RIGHT ACROSS a land border to its heavy industry zone and very close to its capital. The other countries you listed are not US allies, or they are separated by the sea or border irrelevant areas.

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>>34833333
OH SHIT
QUINTS CONFIRM KOREA PART 2

>>34831056
>an army of starving midgets with fake weapons
>proffesional army

>>34834546
While that would be baller as fuck, I'd rather just shitpost at him.

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>>34834822
Dubs...

>>34834278

>kim
>nice
>WoT

Have you ever played WoT? He's most likely one of those pay-to-win gold ammo assholes.

If he is, fuck him. Fuck him with a 10 MT right up the Pyongyang.

>>34834801
I think they will get a buffer zone. Maybe up to 50km deep, but I don't think they can push much more than that. They won't risk a war over the DPRK, even if that means their rabid dog falls.

>>34834221

Because there are much easier ways to get his IP like for example making google report all north korean traffic across all services

Also, if they were able to recognize him based off of IP when he visits a website they would already know his IP

>>34835376
the point is that you can serve a deniable exploit kit (using quantum would not be advisable, i'm not sure if it would even work well with north korea, i don't think they have fibre links to south korea and shooter servers in china are likely to be at a premium) to specific IPs that happen to be searching for bondage porn. it's somewhat unlikely that a government official would be googling for bondage porn in the course of his normal activities, and i'm not sure there are that many in north korea that have access to the greater internet from universities, so any north korean traffic would probably be coming from high echelons of the government.

>Also, if they were able to recognize him based off of IP when he visits a website they would already know his IP
As of 2014 North Korea had one known block of 1,024 IPv4 addresses:[13]

175.45.176.0 – 175.45.179.255[35]

>>34834278
With /pol/'s help we could; they're the guys that identified the exact coordinates of terrorists in the desert by a picture of a fucking telephone pole or something like that.

Weapons grade autism at its finest.

>>34834287
I understand global politics, but I can't buy the chance that the Chinese would be that fucking retarded post cultural revolution.

>>34834356
If anything, the US is the original or inspiration to the EU.

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>>34835083
OH FUCK WHAT HAVE WE DONE

>>34834527
I don't know exactly why, but ever since I was like 6, I've had a total hard on for the F-14 Tomcat.

>>34835432
>with /pol/'s help
Maybe if it were a few years ago. /pol/ would be of no help nowadays, it's Redditors all the way down.

>>34835467
You wouldn't also happen to have a hardon for men with tight bodies playing volleyball? Haha, just for laughs. No homo.

>>34833333

If they keep to their proclamation, they made today, as long as NK starts it they're not going to interfere.

>>34835473
Fuck. Well, that was the only thing I know they did, besides invade boards and having sold their souls to Satan to meme Trump into the presidency.

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>>34835492
I actually just bought some 80s athletic shorts from Goodwill like 2 hours ago. I'm not gay, but I can recognize aesthetics.

>>34835447
You're assuming we don't stick our finger in their eye over the SCS, or something else equally explosive.

I'm not saying it will happen, just that it could.

>>34835514
Well hopefully we aren't that retarded then

>>34831348
>What is M1A2 SEPv3

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>>34835499
Which is entirely dependent of the US completely steamrolling NK. If NK puts up a fight and gets American blood in the water, China is going to be salivating. They're gooks. They're looking for an oportunity to make "China numba wan!" a reality.

I'm not sure if Americans are cognizant of the fact, but most of the world wants to see you get your shit pushed in.

Either the US wins in a week like you all seem to think, or China is unable to hold their load and blows a steamy mess all over your asshole while you're busy dick jousting with NK.

>>34835652
This is a profoundly uneducated set of statements. You should feel bad about yourself, but you clearly lack the mental capacity and general self-awareness to feel ashamed.

>>34835675
I guess we'll just see what happens then. Hope it works out for you.

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>>34832687
>>34831072

>>34835652

Thing is I don't think they are going to really step in though. They have collapsing border talks with India on one side...and a whole bunch of "tiny" power in the south east that'll probably take advantage of the fighting if China tosses their weight fully with NK. If anything they'll try to feed and back an insurgency like Iran has been accused of in Afghanistan and Syria/Iraq.

>>34831529
Sooo... two grains?

American "men" are pathetic cuckolds - in a war they would be decimated, like how they lost against gook farmers and sand people who live in caves

>>34832314
As someone who isn't american but deals with Alot of Americans

There aren't huge fractions of countries that hate the usa. This meme needs to die.

It's the equivalent of saying there are huge fractions of every country that hates russia

>>34835652
>>34835728
>>34835831
Samefag

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>>34835860
lol

>>34835882
>t. mspaintfag

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>>34835897
t drumpflet

>>34835652
The world is a shithole, caring about the opinion of shitholes is what other shitoles do.

China will back down because they are pussies and they don't even like North Korea given they managed to lose control of them somehow

>>34830962
>>34831056
>>34831072
I know that I'm going to get a lot of flack for this, but I don't think that a war with NK will be another desert storm. The terrain of NK is more mountainous than the terrain in desert storm, so a blitzkrieg would be incredibly difficult. But out technological advantage is nothing to scoff at. U.S. military doctrine says we only attack when they are absolutely certain that casualties will be limited, with the mountain terrain and many possible ambush spots, this could be a very slow and precise campaign.

My unprofessional guess would be that a war with NK would last about 6 months longer than gulf war, so about a year. Still an overwhelmingly large U.S. victory though

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>>34835652
>shit pushed in
>hold their load
>blows a steamy mess over your asshole
>dick jousting
Something you wanna tell us anon?

>>34835652
So you are telling me that China is willing to crash the global economic engine, with no survivors, just to help spill some American blood?

They aren't fucking stupid. They won't start a war right as India is getting uppity too. China can't solo the US/ROK/Possibly Australia, India, and Japan in a straight fight, and god forbid (for them) that we invoke Article 5 and just dog-pile China.

I don't think we'll win in a week; even Desert Storm had a multi-week air campaign ahead. I think it'll take about a year. But victory is effectively assured, seeing as our industrial capacity and troop supply, relative to the DPRK, is greater both in quality and quantity.

>>34836208
I think it'll take a year to get the bulk of the work done, but i do think we'll have neutralized a lot of their assets within a few weeks. Pyongyang will be ours within a month; it's actually CONTROLLING the land around it that will be the problem.

>>34836387
>MUH ARTICLE 5

Amerisharts are literally the only meaningful military threat in NATO, and only barely. Europe would get it's Arabic shit pushed in by China in the space of days. I know you Americans like to defend the pride of your European partners as part of whatever political bonds you share, but come to terms with reality. The only nations that European powers can threaten are African shitholes.

>>34836428
The Royal Navy could turn the Three Gorges Dam into radioactive glass and there's absoloutly nothing China could do to stop it.

>>34836387
Given the PLAN would lose a blue water fight to Taiwan, Japan or sea state 4 I don't think many people take it seriously as a threat.

>>34836443
The Royal Navy couldn't even gather enough water to do something about the extremely rancid & radioactive breath of every Brit, let alone launch any of their Amerifat owned missiles towards China.

>>34831108
Goddamn funniest shit I've read in a week. Very true though, kinda sad

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>"I-I'll fight on the front line if there's war in North Korea!!!1!"

>>34836428
Regardless of your desire to get out of it, article 5 could be invoked. We can provide all the logistics needed to move people; we already have in Africa for France via loaned C-17s.

Really, contributions of nuclear missile subs, ordinance, token troops, and jets would be all that we could expect from Europe. United Kingdom and France would probably take the lead from Europe, as expected.

>Europe isn't a threat
It's easy to say that except for the fact that they have performed well in Desert Storm and Afghanistan, and have perfectly modern tech. While their troop quality may have decreased since the fall of the USSR, I think you underestimate the value of simply having extra bodies to secure secondary targets, provide extra labor (construction of FOBs, clinics), and multitasking. I'm not asking Europe to take on China by itself, they'd likely get stomped if they didn't have nukes; It'd be partnered with the USA who would, as always, be doing the heavy-lifting. Europe just needs to spot us and bring snacks and water, so to speak.

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Brazilian Marine here, going dark now, no comms for 48 hours. Godspeed, /k/ommandos. Not sure why, though.

>mfw US SIGINT is reporting actual movement from NK subs.

>>34836461
What's that? Someone needs another Opium War to remind them of their place?

You know HK is still dreaming of going back.

>>34836428
It doesn't matter anyway because Article 5 wouldn't even apply to Guam

>>34836452
I don't take China as a serious naval consideration for a DPRK war. In 20 years, maybe they'll have caught up to USA. But this just isn't worth it. As i've maintained this whole time, China will try to get their buffer zone (likely successfully), and be happy that it's over. And then they will say "look, war is over, rogue regime gone, go home GI" and point out that our cause for staying in Korea is gone, so we should just get off their lawn and fuck off with our missile systems and air bases.

>>34836511
No, it wouldn't, BUT... if the DRPK was to do something absolutely full-retard, like launch a missile at the US proper, then it absolutely would qualify. A NATO presence on the DRPK would be guaranteed, then if China attacked they'd suddenly be fighting NATO forces.

Again, yet another reason why China wouldn't want anything to do with fighting the US directly; even the chance of it spiraling out of control is great.

We didn't even invoke Article 5 for Iraq, we just found a group of nations that agreed "yeah, fuck Saddam" and pitched in. Same with Libya. Same with Syria. We don't have to invoke Article 5, it's just an option we have. And there are at least a few nations willing to board the "fuck DPRK" train.

>>34836484
Face it. Eurabians have become nothing more than the mentally crippled friend Americans bring along just to make them feel useful. I'm not even sure why you people still maintain NATO as it's clearly become a net negative on your country seeing the massive useless deadweight that is any European military.

>>34836510
I can't take seriously a country held hostage by muslims in speeding vehicles.

>>34836208
And that's why well let the south koreans deal with it all on the ground. Americans getting involved will be a disaster as it would cause mass hysteria

>>34836554
>And there are at least a few nations willing to board the "fuck DPRK" train.
australia/new zealand guaranteed

>>34836568
Eh, you are a convenient base and provide some funds and research kickbacks, and again when you actually can be bothered to kill something you do it pretty well. The problem is prodding you to do it after we've conditioned you NOT to murder everything.

It's kinda like a dog that used to bite a lot, but after you train it NOT to bite it's useless for being a guard dog, so you have to undo half the training with the hopes that someday it will be as good again.

>>34836640
That's what I was referring to, which will almost certainly drag the rest of the 5-eyes nations along for the newest season of Anglo Tag-Team Cage Match. Plus probably Japan, if Abe can make that work legally.

>>34836687
Technically he is within rights to mobilze the self defense force right now, the constitution was amended so Japan can attack if the are preemptively defending themselves.

I doubt he would though, North Korea is that kid that keeps notes of everyone that wronged him.

>>34834552
>naval skirmishes in the Americas

Did I miss a part of WW1? What?

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I've spent the entire last week poring over everything I possibly can, and I hate to say, but I don't think anything's going to happen.

The way both sides are being extremely open about their plans and movements, the way both sides are extremely careful to point out that they won't make the first move, and mostly the fact that we didn't even keep our aircraft carriers in-theater is strongly saying that America doesn't think this is the time for any action.

It was only a few months ago that Trump got a massive wave of support for blowing up an empty airfield. He sees that this kind of bluster and bluff is a viable strategy for dealing with opponents, and he may be right. But the DRPK has nothing to gain by making the first move, and America doesn't have its ducks in a row for a full retaliation anyway.

This might be a long term strategy taking hold, but this is not The Guns of August: 2017.

>>34836729
yeah, the issue would be making the general public swallow that pill and not having to run into any political challenges. i doubt Japan would contribute troops and war material unless they came under attack somehow, but if it's like Iraq they may contribute a shit ton of money. Actually, if anything, I bet the Japanese navy would help deal with the surge of boats and smugglers trying to escape the DRPK. You never know what boats may have VIPs, smuggled guns, WMDs, riches....

>>34836780
This sorta reminds me of January of fall 2002/early 2003, a few months before Iraq 2- Desert Boogaloo. you have all the talking heads, all the people talking about WMDs, that sorta "it's either happening or not" feeling. Not sure what to make of it for sure, but I'm leaning towards "no happening". It's just Trump getting into a pissing contest with a nation that has been winning "number one troll in the world" trophies for years on end.

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let's light this candle!

>>34831007
Iraq had like the #3 military in terms of size how did that go for them

>>34835728
It will

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>>34836807
Exactly. This is the initial dustup to set the stage, but there's no cohesive military plan yet. Our assets just aren't in place.

I've read a lot of nuclear proliferation theory, and I'm genuinely spooked by how fast the DRPK is developing their arsenal. I'm equally spooked by how strongly they've said that they have no interest in ever putting it up for negotiation. Can you imagine how many concessions they would get for giving that shit up? They could make themselves immune to embargo and sanction for decades if they wanted. They could paint themselves as the rational good guys in the region, like Iran did.

Unless they have a careful strategy for gradual de-escalation, this can only go one way. Whether the Kim regime is rational is irrelevant. Even if they could assure the world that they would never, ever use them aggressively, they're an unstable country that could easily decay from famine or disease or infighting. And you can't have a country with hundreds of nuclear weapons just sort of dissolve. That's a Metal Gear scenario, and the world security industry can't allow unchecked nuclear black markets to emerge in the aftermath.

Or shit, I'm sure there are some spooky non-state operators who are actively trying to create that environment so they can get their hands on a bomb and do some kind of Tom Clancy shit. But we're not that lucky.

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>>34836903
I've long felt that the DPRK issue was a matter of "when", not "if", and that them getting true ICBMs would likely be the last straw.

Simply put, letting the DPRK exist is BAD for American military politick. It sends the message that any small tin-pot despot can get nukes and get a golden pass to do whatever they want. That isn't a message we want to send, or sustain. In large part, our power is based on our ability to completely disintegrate 90% of all countries' governments at will. It may take time, it will be costly, but we can do it.

DPRK challenges that. It shows that a despot CAN survive decades by starving its people brutally, it CAN survive international sanction, it CAN build nukes.. all these things that we have tried very hard since WW2 to prevent. They also threaten our allies and strategic interests, and as their arsenal grows the time between "interpreting their actions" and "taking our own action" is decreasing, since any sudden act of violence (like the island artillery barrage) could escalate. We have to convince our allies that we will be there for them, and that gets harder to do when they have a neighbor literally testing nukes and threatening them with nukes, yet we do nothing.

The time-frame isn't that bad. If you think about it, DPRK first tested a nuke in about... 2006? It's 2017, so 11 years. We had H-bombs by the mid-50s, so really they are a bit behind us, relative to the time. We have slowed them down, but DPRK has a lot of resources that are pretty conductive to nuclear programs (lots of uranium deposits I hear, access to old Soviet missiles for inspiration).

I wouldn't be surprised if there is a cohesive "plan", but the assets just haven't been put in-theater yet. The entourage is lining up backstage, orchestra has to get set up, mic check has to be done...

>>34837019
There have always been brutal dictators and warlord running around, some of which we've installed and supported. American allies are all over the planet, including South Korea just a stones' throw from China. The DRPK gives them strategic depth and lets them act out a bit of an imperial fantasy they've always had, and we don't really have a strong argument against it. We've always hoped that they would just collapse from infighting, especially after Jong-Il died, but Un is pretty well established.

Diplomacy is still possible, they could defer more to China, and we could put nuclear assets in South Korea and Japan. I just hope that Un knows that there really is a red line and he shouldn't cross it.

>>34837019
See, but here's the thing; Why should we keep caring at this point? Haven't we spent enough time conducting geopolitical experiments in every part of the world to realize that blowback is always guaranteed, however long it takes? It really would be a calming thing to simply withdraw, let the political situation collapse and sort itself out in that part of the world, and for us to find relief in the fact that most of these tyrant controlled shitholes are nowhere near our geographical neighborhood so we can ignore them at little cost to our soft power, even if it diminishes this countrys apparent hard power.

I understand all the fears about what would happen if America immediately evacuates the role its played over the last 70 years, but at this point wouldn't it be wiser to simply let the third world shit itself. What political/economic interests do we have that justify our outsized global role?

I swear im an actual American, neither a vatnik, a chink, or some Eurabian playing concern troll.

What is the great cost of ignoring the rest of the world on all military matters and simply conducting diplomacy and international relations through soft power only?

>>34837019
This. It's time to flatten best korea

>>34837019
Totally agree. The US has to either nut up or shut up in the very near future, otherwise we're fucked. The North Korea situation (in addition to China stepping it's game up) is seriously threatening our power in the east. There is no way we can maintain a solid power base in Asia when we have a crazy fat boy with legit nuclear ICBMs squatting right next to our largest bases.

>>34837067
Regular dictators are usually not a threat to the US, or anyone else important. It does not really matter in the grand scheme of things if some guy knocks over a 3rd world country and wipes out 1/3rd of the population. All that matters is whether or not he poses a credible threat to the US or it's allies.

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>>34837213
Here's the thing to remember about Korea's nuclear arsenal. They could do vastly more damage in a couple hours sustained fire from their conventional artillery batteries across the DMZ than they could if every one of their bombs and missiles landed in a dense urban environment. A few kilotons of nuclear power is bad, but it isn't the apocalyptic scenario people are thinking of. 20,000 artillery pieces firing consistently into an urban center, though, that can kill times more people.

It's a really weird equation, but in reality, their nuclear arsenal is just a big middle finger to the world security council. Their rocket artillery is the real threat.

>>34837098
You make great points, there are merits.

The problem though is that our allies do rely on us. It's a promise we made, and it (conveniently) alligns with our aims to encircle China. DPRK is, frankly, a sideshow.

Since ww2, there hasnt been a major war. Iran vs Iraq, Korea, Vietnam, India-Pakistan strife, Falklands... sure, those have happened. But, if we are going by death rate, the world is much, much safer than it's ever been, even though weapons get deadlier and deadlier.

In part, this is because we have a whole international framework that says nations cant do X, can do Y, and should do Z. That framework has largely ensured that nuclear energy programs havent been used for nuclear weapons production.

Land mines are virtually gone from stockpiles. Cluster munitions are going the way of the dinosaur. Oceans have few pirates outside certain hells. And whether our role is truly instrumental or not, a lot of the principles of the post-WW2 New World Order were laid out by us. We cant abandon the world when we helped lay down the bricks of modernity. We built a system that makes the world safer (certainly for the Developed world), makes us wealthier, and ensures that even rogue regimes struggle to get the few weapons that COULD injure us.

I'm not a neo-con. I maintain no illusions that what we do is always right, or selfless. But we really cant leave modernity when we built it.

If we stop doing it, maybe someone else will. And then they'll be calling the shots.

>>34837098
>What is the great cost of ignoring the rest of the world on all military matters and simply conducting diplomacy and international relations through soft power only?
Because nukes exist, alliances can be formed, and we can be isolated economically by these theoretical powers. Our economic strength relies on global supremacy in pretty much all matters.

>>34837270
>couple hours sustained fire

Counter Artillery is a son of a bitch isn't it.

>>34837291
They can relocate artillery formations. You can't relocate Seoul.

>>34837270
>Here's the thing to remember about Korea's nuclear arsenal. They could do vastly more damage in a couple hours sustained fire from their conventional artillery
They probably wouldn't get several hours. That also only threatens SK. Proper ICBMs and MRBMs threaten Japan, various other nations, and the continental United States itself.

>>34837291
Do we know all their artillery battery positions? Are our own artillery batteries both numerous enough and within range to stop them even after being located?

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>>34837310
That's like firing a bottle rocket at a gorilla. They could fuck up a dozen square blocks of downtown Seattle, and it would be horrible, but they know full well they would lose in a full scale engagement.

Japan was hoping to completely cripple the US fleet when they attacked Pearl Harbor. If they didn't believe they could, they wouldn't have tried. Nothing the Norks have could incapacitate us, so I don't see any sane reason why they would pick a fight.

>>34837339
It doesn't matter if it would result in their destruction. The point is that they are currently threatening to nuke US assets (while dickwaving that they can strike the mainland) and nothing is being done about it. If this trend continues, then there will be more nations that wish to try the same thing. Failure to shut NK down just creates more problems for us in the future.

>>34837282
>>34837286
What both of your posts confirm is that there is a dangerous realpolitik that determines our geopolitical calculus and it seems as though we've become entangled in a global system of our own creation, one which is becoming more and more fragile with the rise of peer powers.

To get to the point, is there a clean and safe way out of this situation for us?

>>34837368
>is there a clean and safe way out of this situation for us?
Neither clean nor safe. The damage is done, and the prosperity or even just stability of the US depends on global supremacy.

>>34831143
>CNN drama
>The presidents tweets
>Manufactured drama by cnn
Dafuq you think is going on? Cnn mind control?

>>34837368
All nations act that way in their interest, just within their weight class. Our reach is global however.

In the end we cant pull out without losing a LOT of our power to shape markets and international politics.

>>34837445
No but they are blowing things out of proportion

>>34834081
>>He once got in trouble when a teacher, checking pupils’ bags for cheat notes before an exam, caught him with a bondage porn mag.
Good taste desu

>>34832314
>posted with an iPhone via the internet
you're welcome btw

>>34831097
They will fear us!

>>34834552
Serbian nationalist was an exuse. Discovery of oil and Ottoman Empire being a sick old man controlling all the oil that Brits wants and Germany wants to build Reich made.

Wars always made for dirt and whats in it. Religion, Economic ideologies, Nationalism was always an exuse to put people on motion.

>>34836623

South Koreans don't have enough resources to deal with ground war alone.

>>34834527
That MiG-21 ratio is going to get so much worse if the war with NK actually pops off.

>>34836466
I would unironically enlist.

>>34831192
Sig P320s, we're all fucked anon

>>34833333
what good time to be alive

>>34838753
kek