Why do sci-fi guns always manage to look retarded?

Most scifi artists don't actually know much about guns, what a shocker.
Even if they did, their boss (usually the art director) doesn't, and he will probably ask that you make the gun look bigger or badder or more complicated for "visual impact".

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>>34828325
>implying

>>34828411
Halo is a beautiful exception

>>34828325
I asked the same question few days ago and people jumped me saying its ok to be retarded in scifi.

>>34828325
Why do so many guns from the past few centuries years look retarded?

>>34828646
Depends on the flavor. Popular sci-fi, it doesn't matter go wild. Hard sci-fi, there no excuse.

>>34828325
Not just guns, lots of SciFi art concepts/designs look retarded.
It's just bad artists have no clue of enigneering and military technology do a shitty job.

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>>34828666
It was about this picture.
I dont see how can anyone justify the stupid things but hey this is the land of crazy people.

>>34828692
That's comic book though, where guns are symbols of the character's power. Powerful characters need bigger, more nonsensical guns with gubbins. It's like how movie specops need some sleek compact pos with a billion gucci attachments to signal that they're elite.

>>34828692
I do certainly agree that gun props on the whole have gotten exceedingly lazy in the last 20 years. Looking back on the classic iconic designs like the pulse rifle, the Morita, the 2019 pistol, even the coreburner if you want to get obscure, then looking at modern iterations like the Covenant crew literally using ARs and AUGs or how new Robocop had him using some boring non-gun SMG for most of it, it really does seem like the only people that give a fuck anymore are Blomkamp/Weta. That said, I think you can give Cable a pass since its capeshit, which is about the most low-effort content Hollywood is putting out these days.

You can't just shoot plasma/lasers and shit from a normal looking gun dude it's common sense! It needs.... stuff

>>34828716
No not really as the other anon said its just lazy designs,glue few guns together and call it a day.
People earn big money from this and it used to be called fururism or neo futurism,just look at the original Alien or old Atari game covers or ads,and look at the shit we get now.

>>34828411
>when your assault rifle is somehow longer and bigger than your battle rifle

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>>34828325
You think that looks retarded?

>>34828794
>M5AC Assault Rifle
>Length 98.8cm
>BR55HB Battle Rifle
>Length 115.8cm

>>34828806
>cherry picking examples
>ignoring the postwar BR85
Not that we really need to compare the rifle lengths. The 9.5x40 is one hell of a stubby round.

>>34828813
I picked those two because they were both in Halo 3 and that's the last Halo I've had a chance to play.

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>>34828728
>Blomkamp/Weta
>most of the other examples you mentioned
Dumping a bucketload of plastic on top of a regular old rifle does not futuristic make.
I personally thought that the vatnik-rigged explosive ammo AK from Elysium was some of the dankest weapons design in recent history, simply because it's so very contrasting and so easily understandable. Also because it almost looks like this is some kind of official factory upgrade devised by the Russian defense ministry to get the bucketloads of ancient rifles back into the fight. All you need for a radically more lethal gun is to abandon the Hague land war conventions!

>>34828849
>added piece of metal prevents you from switching the safety off
10/10 design

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>>34828857
It's not an added piece of metal, it is the AK dovetail mount that the concept artist for some reason stuck on the wrong side of the gun. Here's how it looked in the film.

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This is a cool and realistic concept for a future gun

>>34828874
Got any more o dem pixels for me mate

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>>34828877

>>34828656
Not retarded as in "they look funny", retarded as in "that literally would not work in real life"

>>34828874
I hate this fucking open barrel railgun meme, why the heck would a railgun have holes in it. At least its not a fucking tuning fork.

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Speak for yourself.

>>34829354
But thats just a worse looking halo.

>>34829360
Its really not. You just have shit tastes.

>>34829354
That's actually ugly.

>>34829370
>Guardian shotgun is Halo shotgun with a sick CSGO skin
>Sniper is Halo sniper with a thumbhole stock
>Revolvers either look normal and banal, or some overdone edgy shit Reaper from overwatch would use
>HMG is SAW from Halo with thumbstock removed
>The only thing not ripped from Halo are the two ARs and the revolvers, are they look like shit
To be fair, it was probably the same concept artist that worked on both properties, but lets not pretend for a second that this isn't utterly retrograde.

>>34828325
They model them after ur mum

>>34828325
The designs are typically too busy to look realistic in their given context. Imagine having to mass produce your pic

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>>34828411
>tfw no MA5B gf

>>34829354
>Guys, hear me out, what if we take current gun designs, and make it look like some good tried to put them in final fantasy
>THATS BRILLIANT

>>34828692

would you believe me if I told you that's a LESS stupid version of them just being accurate to the source material? Late 80s-early 90s action comics are infamous for having giant stupid blobs of metal with multiple barrels for guns.

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>>34828692
im pretty sure that gun is supposed to be making fun of the obnoxiously huge guns Cable uses in the comics

>>34830684
They still look nothing like the garbage that he is "wielding" if anything more original than a glued together gun.

>>34830720

its possible that gun is just a placeholder for a cgi gun, too.

>>34830770
>making a fully functional prop gun only to use it as a placeholder for a CG gun
"no"

>>34830798

>fully functional
>its just a vector with a wood stock and a bunch of rail attachments and grenade launchers

>>34830814
Yes, fully functional. Almost all prop guns are real firearms converted to blank firing status.
Even the ones with a ton of shit smeared all over.
The only times you see a non firearm are when you're filming in a country with extremely strict gun laws, or in a stunt sequence, in which case a rubber prop is used in place of a real gun.

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>>34828692
>Marvel character who's supposed to have weird over the top future guns

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>>34831045
>comic guns look nothing like the glue gun he is using

>>34831120
No shit, Sherlock, they'd look ludicrous on screen. I think that manages to pull it of in a real-world style decently.

>>34828411
I always thought the assault rifle looked retarded but I also thought it meant to be a representation of the stereotypical scifi "space muhreen" gun when compared to the rest of them.

Still want one.

>>34828860
>electronic box overhanging the muzzle brake
wew lad, that'll last more than two shots.

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>>34828325
Honestly, there's a lot of reasons, a lot of them individual to the artist and other ones more general.

For a start, your average artist doesn't know how guns work beyond what they've seen other artists and media do, not only that, but a good chunk of artists just outright don't like guns because just fucking look at artists nowadays. Beyond that, trying to make things look unique and visually appealing is more important than trying to make up fictional weapons which would actually be functional, mostly because they're already fictional so that's more for suspension of disbelief anyway. There's also the fact that nowadays a lot of people want to go for the postmodern-scifi look that elysium had, and their answer to that is literally just to make outlines of the thing they want it to look like and then just merge bits of guns together in photoshop so you get something which looks "real" but is otherwise just a clusterfuck (see image).

At the end of the day, sci-fi is sci-fi, just like fantasy swords are frequently impractical and purely for visual impact, so are weapons in science fiction, and the more someone knows about something the more retarded fiction about it will look.

Or just hear it from this guy not me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5rEm5H_CLw

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>>34828325
Honestly, Titanfall has some guns that I find to be sexier than a lot of real ones.

>>34828325
Modern sci-fi traces back to B-movie cinema.
B-movie cinema can't afford good props, so they took the scrap lying around and bolted it together.

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>>34828607
The truth from the dubs

>>34832755
>but a good chunk of artists just outright don't like guns because just fucking look at artists nowadays.
ayo hol up
there's a world of difference between your stereotypical conceptual artist who smears period blood on a canvas, and an actual working artist who designs characters, weapons, and environments for da vidya games.

>>34832755
That gun's pretty good, besides the ejection port spitting brass into every right handed shooters' face. And maybe the overbuilt as fuck flashlight. Suppose they should have removed the old charging handle, but otherwise it's breddy okay.

>>34832936
It could be left handed.

>>34828325
Some designs don't add too much bullshit and actually pay attention to details like pic related having a separate magazine for a battery and not a lot of extra plastic/metal.

>>34829287
I could see it being good to increase velocity. If your projectile is sliding against a metal pi

>>34833124
>>34829287
Fucking stupid phone

If a projectile is dragging along a metal pipe without any compression behind it, that's unnecessary drag being applied to the bullet.

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>>34832841
>Dat X-55 Devotion
Great gun to MVP every first round of Frontier Defense.

>>34828411
Halo is a mixed bag. ESPECIALLY after 343i got their dick in the pie.
The only thing the franchise does stellarly is the nomenclature for spaceship names.

>>34832936

>ar upper with lower sans mag well
>mag well on buffer tube.

Nah mate, nah.

>>34828692
>barret LR sleeve
>rail
>u-u adapter
>barrel thing that goes up
>underbarrel 50mm

I don't know if I should laugh or be distraught about this.

99.9% of the audience has no idea how guns function, and they are more concerned with creating a distinct visual look then practicality.

>>34828692
this looks like a Fallout 4 any mod any weapon bastard child. fuck hollywood

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Designers want their designs to stand out.
Incidentally, most designers are cityfags who have never fingered even the weakest of plinkers in their lives
Thus, you get some sort of unholy bastardized something when they make up weapons.

It can be bad in movies where you only get to see the weapon for a little bit anyway but it's especially atrocious in some games where you have to stare at the monstrosity for hours. Bethesda is one of the most serious offenders out there.

>>34833182
I'd say that's the percentage of people who don't really care. You know more than 0.01% of people are the type that'd know better.
Also, you have to realize that some leeway is acceptable with ergonomics and what-have-yous on fantasy weapons. It's not like real-world manufacturers aren't wont to cash in on flashy fads (i.e. zombie-themed shit).

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>>34828857
how the fuck did i miss that

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>>34833161
Reminder that this is for the sequel to this movie.

>>34832841
titalfall was made by ex-COD developers who previously spent years modeling real guns. so it makes sense.

>>34833275
And before CoD they made the early, good Medal of Honor games, including Allied Assault, before getting fucked by the publisher.

It's kind of a pattern for them.

>>34833226
GOD IT DEAD MORTY HAHAH *BUUUUUUUUUUUURP *

>>34833151
Could be a piston AR, those don't need buffer tubes at all, that'd free up space good.

>>34833275
Call of Duty used airsoft guns as models back when Infinity Ward wasn't a corpse.
Just look at the Modern Warfare AKS-74u (based off of an airsoft AK), or the Modern Warfare 2 M203 grenade launcher (based off of an airsoft M203).

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>>34828411
M6 G/GNR Spartan Laser is still one of my favorite weapons from Halo's arsenal.

Also while the M6C magnum is garbage and not as good as the M6D or M6G, it's aesthetic AS FUCK

Also M90 >>> M45

>>34835567
>no safe action trigger

>>34835567
Why does their magnum look like the slide bite could reach all the way to your wrist?

>>34835659
Its got a slide mounted safety.

>>34828813
9.5x40 only sounds like an anemic battle rifle cartridge if propellant technology hasn't changed in 500 years.
>But the assault rifle uses 7.62 Real Fuckin' NATO
My argument does not have an answer for this.

>>34835659
Future kojima mind reader id tag safeties bitch

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>>34835659
How far do we need to go to make it safe enough for you?

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>>34833141
Strangely enough, it was slated originally to be the successor to the Hemlock. Guess it was changed into the Volt and Devotion respectively as it was probably too much of a dramatic changed when compared to the R201 and R101.

>>34829287
This. The rails push each other apart, so having no support holding them in place is retarded.

>>34835716
Wouldn't the increase in diameter make up for the reduction in length?

>>34829354
Destiny has literal space magic. The only guns that AREN'T fantasy in it are converted old world funs like No Land Beyond and Universal Remote.

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This is the Phaeston Assault Rifle, the primary rifle of of the Turian Hierarchy.This weapon kills batarianiggers, Kroganiggers and Reaper trash.

Say something nice about it.

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>>34832841
Titanfall 2 is so close to being the perfect game for me, especially the single player. I wish the Titans were a bit more deliberate in how they move and attack, but I've always been more /m/ than /k/, so I'll allow some looseness in exchange for that fun, open science fiction mecha setting.

>>34828849
NYET
RIFLE
IS
FINE
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>tfw the Dark Forces saga and its arsenal will never get a DOOM 2016-tier remake

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>tfw no rotating barrel subcompact with 19+1 rounds of high velocity armor piercing ammo on tap

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>>34836728
Or the Zhalo Supercell, an AK that fires bolts of lightning that can chain to nearby enemies.

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>>34828325
don't pretend this isn't what you want.

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zaap

>>34837713
"You see Svetlov, put magazine in stock of gun and now barrel runs whole way back for maximum barrel distances."

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>>34828692
At least that gun has a grip and a trigger.

>>34837734
Thats one of the most retarded fictional weapons I've ever seen.

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>>34837795
It's a battery, it doesn't fire bullets.

Omolon weapons use a liquid fuel.

I did love how cheap the fuller auto gun looked in eye
just stamped sheet metal hiding some jian space magic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtJh_B4jDrY

>>34837837
>tfw it's just a mac-10

>>34837753
>here is schematic of our most danger weapon
>a bird

>>34837861
Talons are no joke!

>>34837837
>full-auto
>fuller-auto
Really ought to give this game a whirl one day. It's been sitting in my backlog for long enough.

>>34837912
the mechanics of it may be a bit confusing for a beginner, but luckily there is an infographic floating around somewhere. if you dare, ask /v/

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>>34837931
I know all that. Just have to ,ale the time. Nothing is worse than trying to get into a new and most probably complicated game in little increments of one or two hours. Luckily, I have some downtime in November.

>>34835567
>Trigger guard that extends to the fucking pinky

For what possible purpose?

>>34838009
big power armour gauntlets maybe

>>34838075
Yeah but it is a standard navy issue side arm. There are like 20-25 SPARTANs in power armor at that time. They fitted hundreds of thousands of soldiers with a weapon suited for a couple of dozen?

>>34837713
where the hell would the firing pin and shit even fit in there

>>34828325
is that a famas?

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>>34838009
Why indeed...

>>34838081
Generating game assets takes time, energy, and money, all of which are in limited supply. Bungie probably just wanted to make a single pistol model that could fit both human- and Spartan-sized hands without worrying about the trigger guard clipping through the fingers of one or the other.

>>34830720
That's the point, yes

>>34835815
>Smart pistol
That shit is cash, Is the underbarrel mount some sort of tracking optic? I remember it being god mode in the campaign, even on Master difficulty.

>>34831458
That was the only thing that annoyed me about it because aside from that it looks pretty cool and sorta practical.

>>34833141
Devotion is great in FD but cancer in MP.

>>34838923
It's so god mode they removed it from the gun selection in the second one and made it essentially a killstreak reward. It makes an appearance in the campaign as a last-minute godmode upgrade that lets you mow down goons by the dozens.

>>34835716
>7.62 Real Fuckin' NATO
It's some armor piercing hypervelocity version and the war had been going for so long all the original caseless HEDP smartguns were deemed inefficient. The devs said spewing brass looks awesome so that's the real reason.

>>34830645
You must be really constipated to be able to pull this much shit out of your ass in one go.

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>>34839124
Monte Carlo is my favorite Destiny weapon.

Sci-fi artists don't give a damn about how actual combat or practicality would work. It's always "muh giant metal power armor/giant blocky guns"

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>>34839169
>Sci-fi artists don't give a damn about how actual combat or practicality would work. It's always "muh giant metal power armor/giant blocky guns"
(Okay)

>>34839174
This one always bothered me though. Like I get its supposed to be a heavily modified ar/m4 type weapon but it has two charging handles and just some ugly shit in the magwell lol

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>>34839194
Yes but, what's it like knowing you'll never see a vagina in your life?

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>>34838103
Hello, comrade.
http://modernfirearms.net/assault/rus/korobov-tkb-022-e.html

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>>34839204
>Spends the whole thread spamming and fanboying the worst thing Bungie has ever produced
>Gets pissy when people criticize its aesthetics for being shamelessly derivative of Halo and simply not /k/ related
>Calls others virgins without a hint of irony or self awareness
Wow, really makes you think...

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>>34828692
What do we have here?

>Some sort of barret rifle with no receiver or trigger group.
>Kriss super v with a foot long barrel
>Underslung m203

Remember when hacked up Scifi weapons actually looked good?

>>34837796
I will never understand how liefield was able to draw serviceable human poses and faces while not even being able to draw a mag in perspective.

>>34838081
If we go for the reach era then there's probably hundreds of Spartans.

Would you rather make two guns for two different holsters or one gun that fits both of them?

>>34838103
>where the hell would the firing pin and shit even fit in there
>I literally fucking said it fires lightning, not bullets

>>34839325
Didn't he have to go start his own company because of how poorly he drew people?

>>34839261
>the worst thing Bungie has ever produced
Newfag spotted. Not even close
>derivative of halo
Not even close, my man.

I'm not even that guy.

>>34828411
Halo Reach is one of the most /k/ scifi games out there. Along with Republic Commando. That scene where you fly the ship in space in Reach blew my fucking mind when I played it.

>>34835567
>tfw no super compact quickdraw magnum

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>>34835567
>>34839730
>forgot pic

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>>34839613

>>34829485
>lol I don't know what I'm talking about :DDD

>>34839261
>I hate destiny and I can't defend that hatred so I shitpost

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Best AR coming through

>>34838081
I never understood that when Keyes gave you his pistol in the first game

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UC guns always look real sexy

>>34839194
The Khvostov magwell is pretty ugly but it's only that big because it has to use the same animations as the other ARs with XBOXHUEG magazines

>>34840077
Same reason it has two charging handles.

Hopefully they've changed engines and workflows enough that it doesn't take an 8 hour checkout and load process to get in and change the shape of a rock in D2.

>>34830904
Maybe on real big budget films but most use plastic or air soft now. Saves on having an armorer and ammunition storage

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>>34828411
It's missing the kukri combat knives that Noble team used

>>34840482
Only Emile had one of those though

>>34828857
top kek

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Planetside 2 weapon design philosophy:
>Develop generic gun silhouettes
>Add greeble
>???
>Profit!
Nanite Systems is the only A E S T H E T I C manufacturer in the game, and one of their weapons is pretty much a future Škorpion.

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>>34828801
>that tiny bayonet at the end

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>>34828325

>>34841524
It might be a can opener, I'm not sure, but it might be.

>>34828666
demon checked

>>34837734
>>34837803
however the subtext is precisely the american military strategy

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>>34828325
/vr/ here

> its a chaingun, okay so its powered by a chain drive right...
> its only 9mm, the ammo is shared with the beretta
> it only fires at 525/min cyclic
> it has no stock, but there's no telling how heavy it is, I guess recoil means nothing here

Now I mean I see the point of it being a very, very reliable firearm. but they're kinda overdoing it aren't they...

I guess it doesnt heat up or experience much barrel wear

> 4 barrels
> but oh wait you can only fetch about 200-400 rounds at a time

>>34833210
That gun is retarded about everything but the magazine.

>>34840019
This totally looks like the SCAR-H and the ARX fucked and this is what we get.

>>34843072
Hakke designs tend towards that. Suros are sleek and curvy. Omolon are boxy and futuristic and use liquid ammo.

And exotics are all over the place.