Would you have gone to Afghanistan in '01?

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>>34824794
Not after watching Generation Kill

>>34824794
I was 8 but my mom might have let me go

Yeah- I should have/

>>34824826
Wasn't that Iraq?

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>>34824794
I was 10 and too busy playing pokemon and Yu Gi Oh and shit. Plus the PS2 just came out, and that was a huge deal. So nah.

>>34824955
And?

>>34824955
I'm getting my desert shithole wars mixed up.

thats my only regret about going coast guard over my other choice. Im an AET so i get to fly on 60s and save people out in the ocean but i also wanted to be a Tanker and splatter Hajis with 120mm HEAT rounds

>>34824955
Yes.

>>34824794
Tried to. Stayed stuck in Korea until 2004. Then I went to Afghanistan.

i forget that children have no sense of history
>peacetime army
>9/11
>dudes who just wanted to be weekend warriors shit a brick
>lots of folks serve and bail after
>IEDs erryday
>lack of new blood for the blood god
>DoD lowers the bar for dirtbags with a lot of ink and gang relations
>IEDs
>get shot by goat fucker you just trained

>>34824826
Weren't they all reminiscing about how much better their experience in Afghanistan was?

>>34824794
No. Pointless war, don't want to die protecting people who hate me.

>>34824794
Really looks like Chris Hemsworth on the right there.
>Would you have gone to Afghanistan in '01
If we had kept out of Iraq yes. Apparently the war in A-stan was going smoothly right up until we kicked off the invasion of Iraq.
>>34825119
They were.

I feel bad for every conflict of the past that I've not fought in for obvious time reasons, but mostly I regret not having the chance to fight in Afghanistan, not having the chance to fight the wars of my time, being me an eurofag. If I were american, and not a kid in 2001 I'd surely went in

>>34824973
Jak and Daxter was my shit.

>>34824973
Ace Combat 04 is a great fucking game

>>34825160
>Really looks like Chris Hemsworth on the right there.
holy shit, you're right, the guy does look a lot like him

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Absolutly not. This man was turned into grilled cheese, and for what? What have we to show for the 16+ years spent in the desert? Nothing. All of the sacrafice was for absolutly nothing.

>>34825323
Actually it is him, its for a new movie in 2018 called Horse Soldiers. Which is exactly about the topic OP posted. Which means
>>34824794
You're one cheeky fucker.

>>34825350
Slotted several thousand dunecoons in the process and made it so that Iraq will probably never be a strong (or even stable) power in the Middle East for the foreseeable future. These aren't necessarily good things, but its something.

>>34825350
Christ, this picture hits me right in the feels every time I look at it.

>>34825350
Dude I am an OIF vet. I completely agree with you.

>>34825425
You mean million right? Look up the actual figures of estimated deaths by the CIA. We WRECKED their shit. Not just Iraq the entire region. It was kinda fucked.

>>34825350
this picture and the story behind it makes me extremely uncomfortable like nothing else on this site.

that fucking stare is just too much

>>34825350
Honestly, if I loved her, I would put a bullet in my head so she could have a chance of just moving on.

That or run into the woods naked with a backpack and just see how long I could go for.

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>>34825409
Oh. So is this a viral marketing campaign?

>>34825487
My mind might be making up memories but IRRC his girl is a real trooper and never left his side.

>>34825425
Wow, great we killed people. I mean if that's what your after, mission accomplished. But what do you have to show for it? What did people trade their arms and legs for? Iraq will just repopulate and nothing will have changed

>>34825506
unfortunately no. she filed for divorce and remarried and he died via slip and fall at a waffle house.

he was apparently real fucked up and an alcoholic, which is pretty understandable.

>>34824794
I was in middle school so no

>>34825506
>>34825540
samefagging, but salon actually has a really good interview with the photog who took this pic.

http://www.salon.com/2007/03/10/berman_photo/

>in b4 muh salon

>>34825275
>born too late to fight in Afghanistan
>born too early to fight in the interplanetary wars
>born just in time to fight in the second Korean War
Also which country? You might be fighting the commies soon enough

>>34825487
He should have volunteered to have his brain put into stasis so he could serve as a Dreadnought in 40,000 years

I was in Afghanistan in 2008 and my PSG told me stories all the time about OEF1, before all the officers and SNCOs ruined everything with their PC bullshit. Before COIN was even a thing. I'd have gone.

>>34824976
>>34825350
>>34825425
Afghanistan is not in the middle east dumbfucks
Nor is it in the desert
It's in central asia. If anything at least call me a mountain-nigger, don't lump me in with all those sand-niggers

Regardless though fuck that islamic shithole. We should roll in and kill every afghan and keep two surviving and make them set up a protestant republic à la adam and eve

I see people in this thread talking about how we have nothing to show for it etc, which is fine. However, as an individual soldier, why would you care? Did anyone here seriously enlist so they could better the world?

>>34825881
Its in Persia, even lower than Arabia

>>34825881
So you're an Afghan?
>>34825449
>Million right
Really? Damn, guess we're slowly improving the whole k/d ratio for what its worth.
>>34825535
>Iraq will repopulate
And probably never be a stable/solid political entity for decades. Again, not saying this necessarily as a good thing but Iraq used to be a pretty sizeable power in the region with a half-decent military and economic power. It used to hold some sway. Now its fucked six ways from Sunday for quite some time and we took an absolutely massive shit in the geopolitical sandbox that is the ME. Its not really much in compensation for those who gave their lives, but if anything we made some random dunecoon lives much harder.

As for Afghanistan, we at least toppled the Taliban. Which unfortunately didn't do A-stan a whole lot of good since the current government is shit. Either way we made things harder for the Taliban and for any remaining Al-Qaeda (who are too busy atm trying to regain the spotlight after ISIS stole it). Even if the Taliban were to regain power, they would suffer from several problems
>Country isn't in very good shape, and the Taliban could not into economics last time they were in charge so it probably wouldn't get much better
>Only a handful of countries recognized the Taliban last time they were in charge, and I doubt that number would go up if they came back
>Iran probably would not be at all happy to have a fundamentalist Sunni gov't on its borders
>All of the other 'Stans probably would not like it at all since it means that jihadists in their country would get a de-facto safe-haven
>UN probably wouldn't recognize a Taliban gov't, so no help from them there
>End result being a closed off backwards Islamic Country
Which in the end, may not be the worst thing since they'd never get anywhere.

>>34825845
That PC shit started happening in the mid 90s

>>34825350
He got so traumatized it gave his WIFE the thousand yard stare.

Sure, I was there in '11 and it sucked but I was also in Iraq in '04 and that sucked even harder. Might as well experience the full-spectrum of suck amirite?

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>>34825994
Nigger it hasn't been in Persia for hundreds of years. Afghans conquered Persia at one point. It is at a crossroads between central and south asia, I consider it central but lots of others say south, your choice really
>>34826029
Halfghan (teehee)
Just genetically though. I couldn't care less about that place. I only get pissed when people who don't know the difference between semites and aryans comment on what they think muh race is

>>34826061
So which ethnic group? Reason I ask is there's occasionally Afghans that pop up on /int/ and usually have pretty cool stuff to say.
>>34826060
What was the difference in Suck between the two?

>>34825506
They divorced a year after their marriage.

>>34824794
Absolutely fucking yes. I would participated in every post WW1 conflict in history if I could have. I want my war

>>34826101
Kabuli, they were cityfolk, not belonging to one specific ethnicity but it was probably just a mix of tajik and pashtun. None of the chinky races like hazara. I'm sure if I went back far enough I could find out but I don't know how to.

My dad's mom's side is royal family going a few generations back and my dad's dad's side was not but they had very close ties, for example my great grandpa was best friends with king amanullah khan and his second in command (1920s).

Ironic but unrelated, my great uncle was gorbachev's limo driver. An Afghan driving around the leader of the USSR. And they'd request him every visit, kinda strange. Must've been a really good guy. Michael Jackson's too but that's less interesting.

>>34826029
>we made iraq weak so it was worth it
Iraq was the counterweight to Iranian influence in the ME
>we made things harder for the taliban
nobody cares about the taliban
>we made things harder for Al-qaeda
now we have ISIS which has more influence than AQ ever had

>we made dunecoons lives much harder

that isn't worth trillions of dollars and thousands of american soldiers

>>34826133
Give it 7 years, we're due for another one

>>34824973
>no socom
heresy

>>34826206
>Iraq was the counterweight to Iranian influence in the ME
Oh well. Still I'd prefer the Shiites to the Sunnis
>nobody cares about the Taliban
They're still a very potent force in A-stan, and this thread was originally about Afghanistan
>now we have ISIS which has more influence than AQ ever had
They have a competent media wing, because despite the occasional terror attack they're losing constantly.
>>34826203
Where do you live now? What's your take on the last couple decades in A-stan? Also your great-uncle must've been a good driver.

>>34826501
I've never lived anywhere but the USA. Communism is one of the worst things to happen to mankind but I wish that the USSR would've won in Afghanistan. Look at Tajikistan to the north, it is poor but getting along. Afghanistan will never return to the way it was from '34 to '74

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>>34825350
>that picture

Everytime. Poor dude

>>34825350
He died from alcohol and heroin.

>>34826956
>not wearing a doom style mask amd becoming an international arms dealer

>>34824794
Why is Thor in afghanistan?

>>34825136
Wrong middle eastern country

>>34824794
Absolutely not. It was a foolish war of choice. The problem is that the American voters wanted a war to take out their rage about 9/11 and didn't really care where it was. The did not know or care that Afghanistan had nothing to do with 9/11. This is one reason I support a return to monarchy. Voters are too stupid to be trusted with anything.

>>34828166
>Afghanistan had nothing to do with 9/11
What.

>>34824794
yes, but i would have pulled the fuck out once i realized osama wasnt there

>the american people voted to go to war with afghanistan and iraq

You're fucking stupid

>>34828335
>>34828391
there was overwhelming support from everyone for any killing of middleeasterners after 9/11

>>34828335
The attackers were almost all Saudi Arabian citizens, not Afghans, and certainly not Iraqis.

>>34828391
Yes, they did.
>>34828405
This. Hate crimes against Sikhs and Hindus became far more common because dumbass rednecks can't tell the difference between Muslims and streetshitters.

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On 9/11 none of the perpetrators were Afghan, they mostly were Saudis who received their flight training in the USA. Iraq also had absolutely nothing to do with this. Why didn't the US bomb Saudi-Arabia instead? This and the free fall collapse of WTC7 wouldn't have made me want to go. I pity the guys who were fooled by self-serving politicians and their media lackeys to die in such a pointless war.

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>>34828166

This.

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my instructor at basic went to afghanistan at some point ever and clearly got weird as fuck because of it. he was practically a conspiracy theorist and it really shone through in his instruction

though he was the most fun instructor though, even through all the yelling and weirdness, so idk. i think weirdness builds character. but then again i wanted to fuck that instructor really bad.

also in `01 i was literally 9 so yeah

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>the war in afghanistan was waged solely because of 9/11
is this what they actually teach in yankee schools?

>>34824794
'01 I was barely hitting early puberty. You know what they do to little kids down there?

If you ask whether i'd do it as a adult? Sure why the fuck not I'd probably make it well there since I can already understand a bit of farsi and arabic.

>>34828436
Too right /k/omrade!

>>34826203
Kabul is a city/village in israel and the people that live in it are called Kabulis
t.kabuli

>>34828458
Americans aren't informed about the northern gaslines nor opium used by the big pharma to lower production costs.

>>34828391
With the support of Europe. Do you just forget that they were involved in every American conflict since 9/11?

>>34828564
>With the support of Europe. Do you just forget that they were involved in every American conflict since the Revolutionary War?
ftfy

>>34828436
dropping acid at Mecca?

>>34824794
If they would have let 11 year olds go I would have left my family, and gone in an instant.

>>34824794
Fuxk yeah! I went in 2011 tho

Oh yeah. Now i'm either going to do nothing or north korea. Afghanistan is the perfect middle ground.

>>34825350
He looks badass desu. I don't need to woo some cold sack of meat when I have my loyal hubby and surrogation.

If I ever looked like that i'd get up to 240 pounds all muscle and go look for bar fights.

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>>34825350
Why does every single dependa get fucking fat as hell

>>34828902

Yeah I would just go to some third world shithole and become a merc or something. You got nothing more to lose at that point. Chances are his wife would have divorced him regardless.

>>34828433
>The attackers were almost all Saudi Arabian citizens
So we should invade Egypt because Muhammad Atta or Ayman al-Zawahiri were from there? Are you stupid? These hijackers had training in Afghanistan.

>>34825881
>We should roll in and kill every afghan and keep two surviving and make them set up a protestant republic à la adam and eve
Yup, because inbreeding will easily solve this.

>>34824989
That's a bit of an unfair assessment. When the war just kicked off and we were in elementary, they weren't teaching anything about it because they didn't even know what was going on. Much less what reason did they have to tell some 9 year olds that we were getting blown up by the brown goat fuckers of the sand.

They probably just now have decent lessons about the past 15 years and current events won't be taught for a few years also.

>>34824826
That was Iraq in '03

>>34824974
Iraq and Afghanistan are/were completely different

>>34825787
Italian fag here, probably my only chance to see some fight is the french foreign legion

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>>34824794

Yes

Also, post rare Afghan '01s

Seeing as CAG/Rangers were the boots on the ground in 01 fuck yes.

>>34825136
Afghanistan in 2001 was retaliation so I don't see how that's pointless. Sounds like a great time.

Kept getting my deployments blocked by faggot senior enlisted

>>34825350
shut up goy and do isreal bidding

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>>34828907
>>34825350
didn't she leave him

he should have left her and let her live a normal life

i hear he use to pass out every time he got a bonnor sex must be hellish for her if he still had his thing

they should just let you die if you comeout fucked up it isn't right


always found it funny when bush met that one vet who was fucked up he had that akward look on his face

>>34828486
Kabul is also the capital of Afghanistan and the Afghans that live there and don't belong to an ethnic group are called kabulis

>>34825350
haha dis nigga looks like one of dem ghouls from fallout

>>34825350
To keep weed illegal

name one war the US fought after the 20th century that wasn't a kikes war

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>>34832018

World War II, Panama, Grenada, Lebanon (Israel didn't want us there)

>>34832242
>after the 20th century

>>34832499
For what reason would Israel want us in Afghanistan? Or possibly in North Korea?

>>34832703

Neither of those have central banks, although Afghanistan doesn't have enough wealth to justify a central bank t/b/h

>>34824794
>Be me, inna 7th grade
>Get to home room, TV has news on
>HEADLINE: Plane Collides With World Trade Center
>Does a replay of the first plane hitting the tower
>Borderline retarded edgy kid in class goes "This is my favorite part!"
>When the plane collides he makes a big explosion sound and spreads his hands apart as a visual representation
>BREK get's sent to the office instantly
Where were you on 9/11?

>>34832888
So the Israelis want us to install a central bank in North Korea?

>>34824794
I'd serve and I wouldn't look back, if I was medically capable at the time. They needed able bodies and I would have given my life so that the next man wouldn't have to.

I honestly would've if I wasn't a child, but I really do think military action in Afghanistan and Iraq have fueled the opioid epidemic that's running rampant through the US right now

>>34832888
Go back to /pol/

>>34831334
Against who? There was not one single afghan involved in the 9/11 attacks. And was funded by saudis including osama bin laden. Osama was just hiding in Afghanistan and we let him escape in 2001 because the people leading ou military were fucking morons.

>>34833076

idk I'm not the one who comes up with these conspiracy theories

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>wanting to go to some shit hole

>>34828436
This 1,000 times this.

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>>34828166
>another Monarchist

Fuck yeah, Ave Roma brother

no, but also yes

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>>34829791

>They probably just now have decent lessons about the past 15 years and current events won't be taught for a few years also.

Nigga in 2013 the textbooks had 2 paragraphs on the entire ME conflict and war on terror and how it was all about 'muricafreedom kill saddam cus muh 9/11

From what I have seen, they like to skip to the "oh so great internet and smart phones" generation

>>34828166
>saddam
>muh oil
>iraq
>WMDs
I don't know how old you are but the people knew from the beginning that all of the above was bullshit and had nothing to do with 9/11.
add to that everyone knew Osama was in poor health and probably died some time around 2005. that stupid photoshopped pic of him dead was the worst attempt at propaganda ever.

>>34828166

i concur with the first part, look at the response to pearl harbor

>japs wrekt our battleships, guess we should strategically destroy their german allies who are more formidable than them

9/11
>muh freedums wuz attacked, lets go fight iraqistan becasue they have a dictator with WMD and they need democracy, RESTORE MUH FREEDOMS AGAINST TERROR

>>34828907
See his thumb? Thats his toe that they had to put on his hand

>>34824794

> fooled by a false flag to die for Israel

>>34824973
MGS2 best MGS, fite me

>>34833138
>There was not one single afghan involved in the 9/11 attacks
But the Taliban still hosted Al-Qaeda.

>>34824794
hell yeah

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>>34833641
It really is amazing replaying the game 15 years later. It feels more relevant than ever.

>>34824794

I was 17 at the time. I went to college.

In hindsight, I wish I'd gone, I hated college and I'm unemployed and have no self discipline.

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>>34824794
I went in 2009 and it was pretty cool, but 2001?

How about this; as a grunt, probably not. As a Special Forces soldier, definitely.

>>34824794
Went there ,killing is killing ,war is war ,different place different terrain but it's basically the same.
Would Not recommend the service nowadays but back then ahhhhh to be 20 and full of piss and vinegar and actually be able to release it, I kind of feel bad for you young guys

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>pointless war that only benefits Israel,politicians and defense contractors, wasting trillions while getting us fucking nowhere and further destabilizing the region
>At best waste 4 years of my life doing nothing
>more likely get maimed by goat fuckers IED's and get sent back missing limbs and be unable to get help from the VA, get mentally broken by friends turning into ground beef infront of me for nothing or just fucking dying

I'll have to pass.

>>34834304
>further destabilizing the region
How did invading Afghanistan destabilize the region? It was already a full on shithole when the US got there.

>>34834330
We needed those poppy fields.

>>34834330
Afganistan lead to Iraqi,I don't see us invading Iraq if it wasn't for Afgan first, like dominos. History as shown that no one ever succeeds in Afganistan. Short of full out scorched earth, wholesale slaughter of every single human there, you aren't going to get anywhere.

What use is a government to people that don't give a shit? Why should they give a fuck about democracy? Either just turn it to glass or wall them in and let them do their own thing.

>>34824794
Seeing as I didn't enlist then, no.

>>34825350
>>34831475
What're you looking at, smoothskin?

>>34828405
>>34828433
You stupid cunts, we asked the Taliban to hand bin Laden and AQ over and they refused.

You fucking children don't even remember 9/11, do you?

>>34834399
>let them do their own thing
That's the problem. We can't because Al-Qaeda is there planning external operations.

>>34833138
>what is a base of operations

You realize that the Taliban weren't innocent people who got attacked right? AQ declared jihad on western civilization and took credit for the attacks and promised more.

And Osama escaped because ANA went green-on-blue when CAG had him in their sights, Not because of incompetent leadership.

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the dude in afghanistan

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>>34828458

yes, and when i tried to argue it the teacher told me
>"but anon, that not what the textbook says"

REEEEEEEEEEEE JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE A DEGREE AND A TEXTBOOK THAT SAYS SO DOES NOT MAKE IT TRUE

>>34824794
Sure. Except Uncle Sam sent me to Iraq first. They were still angry in 2011 tho.

>>34824794

'01? No. But I was just entering college at the time.

I grew up in California surrounded by hysterical leftists that were absolutely convinced that we were all going to get drafted.

So we smoked, partied and made very unwise decisions as if it were the end of the world.

Being a college dropout was not fun, but I did find that employers wanted experience above all else and all a degree did was get your foot in the door.

Still, would have been nice to have finished my degree when I still had a scholarship instead of paying it out of my own pocket. It's also slightly less shiny being an online degree, but at least I didn't go massively into debt for it.

>>34825350
>What have we to show for the 16+ years spent in the desert?

A stronger Iran.

>>34834411
heh

>>34825350
>Ziegel survived but suffered serious injuries: left arm was later amputated below the elbow, three fingers of his right hand were lost, in place of the thumb the big toe was transplanted

Guy literally couldnt even kill himself, now that's suffering

>>34826029
>all this fucking delusion
We ruined a perfectly fine and developing country for pretty much fucking nothing. I hate muslims too but saying hurr durr heh dead muslims doesn't justify what happened by any means.

>>34825487
>Honestly, if I loved her, I would put a bullet in my head so she could have a chance of just moving on.

He actually did kill himself

>>34824794
I was 20 and didn't go, so no I wouldn't. Fighting or dying for Israel is not my thing.

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>>34825350
Jesus, I can't even imagine that.

>>34835047
from herat to jalalabad.
the dude will abide.

>>34832955
Surprised nobody slapped that kid's shit in. (I live in the NYC metro area though so I'm sure emotions were a bit higher here)

>>34833108
thank you for your service.

>>34825350
Reading up on him, it looks like the USMC training worked.

>>34832955
How often did that kid get the shit beat of him the following months?

>>34825350
>All of the sacrafice was for absolutly nothing
Not really for nothing.

It's made the Military Industrial Complex, their investors and the politicians a shit ton of money. It has also kept the mudscums fighting themselves over there in the sandbox instead of Europe and in the US.

Don't get the Israel benefiting.
If anything, it made the situation worse for Israel. It increased militant sects of Islamic adherents throughout the region and across the globe, destabilized its neighbors as time went on with the threat of violence potentially spilling over and possibly incite more external organizations supporting Hamas, and allowed Iran to become a stronger regional power as well as open the door for more direct Russian influence near their borders.

If Russia and the U.S. ever pull out unilaterally, Israel will never be able to fill that power vacuum as fast as Turkey, Iran, and the Saudis unless their endgame is expecting multiple wars between the three and hitting those left for rightful jewish clay.

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of course not.
do i look like an idiot?

>>34835047
>17
this aggression will not stand man

>>34824794
i would have if i was old enough. i am american so i should do it. the only reason im not in the military now is because my family needs me.

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>>34835837
>Don't get the Israel benefiting.
>If anything, it made the situation worse for Israel. It increased militant sects of Islamic adherents throughout the region and across the globe,

Those militants rarely attack Israel while frequently attacking the west instead, which works to keep us willing to stay engaged in the unwinnable "war on terror", which is exactly what Israel wants.

>destabilized its neighbors as time went on with the threat of violence potentially spilling over and possibly incite more external organizations supporting Hamas,

Destabilizing it's neighbors is exactly what Israel wants. When chaos reigns in Syria or Lebanon, Israel can just launch missiles without any international consequences. They grow richer while everyone around them is getting decimated, which is exactly what Israel wants.

> and allowed Iran to become a stronger regional power as well as open the door for more direct Russian influence near their borders.

Iran, which has a special history of hosting Jews within it's borders for a long ass time. Since the war on terror began the mass exodus of Jews out of Iran to Israel began, which is exactly what Israel wants.

>If Russia and the U.S. ever pull out unilaterally, Israel will never be able to fill that power vacuum as fast as Turkey, Iran, and the Saudis unless their endgame is expecting multiple wars between the three and hitting those left for rightful jewish clay.

You imply that Russia or the US would ever do that. They won't. They should. Israel has never tried to get along with it's neighbors. They have always played the role of the toady, talking mad shit with a bigger man behind to back it up. Their clay isn't any more righteous than mine and it should be up to them to hold it without handouts and threats from the US.

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>>34835885

>wearing ACUs and tan boots

Shit, just give 'em the Darwin Award now

>>34826061
>MUH ARYANISM
Jesus do you tell yourself this to shit make your people seem less retarded?

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>>34836889
That picture hasn't been relevant for years. Soldiers now look like robot armies from 80s anime.

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>>34835885
HOW CAN WHITE BOIS EVEN COMPETE

the internet has ruined me

>>34839068
its ruined me so hard i forgot to make it "black bois". okay im out.

I was there back in 2002, but as a C.B, I don't regreat being there but that shitty country have a shitty infrastructure and fucking jihad love to shoot engineers and technicals. most likely is you are deploying a bridge.

>>34835433
She left him after a year and then a few years later he od on heroin and alcohol. Cant really blame him.