Differences

Size

>>34815121
Carbines are short, rifles are long. That applies to their range as well more often than not.

>>34815121
A carbine is a generic term for a shortened form of a rifle.
The M4 carbine is a shortened M16.

Originally, a carbine was a long gun that fired a pistol cartridge. The meaning has drifted.

>>34815121
theorietical

m16 and AKM's are rifles, or assault rifles

ak-74su's and M4s are carbines.

>>34815309
What.
A carbine was originally a shortened standard rifle intended for use with cavalry and rear-echelon troops (like artilleryman and runners)
It's just a rifle, but chopped down.

>>34815121

the only difference between carbines and rifles is barrel length

>>34815121
>>34815121
Carbine by definition is a shortened rifle designed for cavalry. They needed something they could fire one handed on the move and draw quickly. Bering that they were highly mobile they didnt need to rely on long range accuracy as their job was to conduct delaying and harassing actions when they weren't mounting full scale charges.

>>34815309

you have to be 18 to post here.

>>34815121
There is no real standard. It used to be that a carbine was a shortened version of an already fielded rifle. But now with things like pistol caliber carbines, you have things just being released as a carbine. I think it's akin to that saying "I know it when I see it".

>>34815121
Under 16 inch barrel is short barrel rifle.
16-18 is carbine.
18+ is rifle.

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>>34816465
This 24 inch carbine would like a word with you.

>>34816357
well they aren't pistols. are they rifles?

>>34816968
An AR with no stock and a 20" barrel is legally a pistol, and a glock with a stock is legally a rifle. Definitions are fucking weird. I think PCC's fall closer to submachine territory than rifle territory, and carbines are just shortened rifles. I think PCC's need a better new and better definition altogether because it's kind annoying having them in the same category as the M4 as they fill totally different roles.

>>34815121
Depends on terminology.

In some terminologies it's length, in some it's cartridge - some armed forces call every assault rifle carbine because it doesn't fire rull-sized rifle round.

>>34815121
length

>>34815121
carabine mean calvary rifle

so every short rifle is a carbine

>>34815736
>>34815712
basically this
though carbine are not chopped down rifle

anything that is shorted than a full length rifle is a carbine

>>34815581
>m16 and AKM's are rifles, or assault rifles
AKM are carbine

the term Avtomat translated into Automatic carbine in english

http://modernfirearms.net/assault-e.html

>>34816465
Negative.
Go back to /arg/
>>34816507
I was thinking about posting a 20" M44 carbine

>>34817734
>I was thinking about posting a 20" M44 carbine
or any SKS

>>34815581
Why is it so hard for people to get AKS-74U right?

>>34815121
carbine are short rifle

>>34815121
A carbine is a short rifle.
Sometimes, but not always, the shorter variant of a rifle.

Compare an M16A2 to an M4, or an AKS-74 to an AKS-74U
Compare also something like a US M1 Carbine to a typical full sized infantry rifle of the era like a Garand or Mauser, or a light and short .357 Magnum lever-action rifle to a full sized .45-70 one

>>34817732
Debatable, directly translated it'd mean Kalahsnikov's Automat.
Though never an officially fielded weapon, AKMU or AKMSU would be a carbine variant of an AKM or AKMS, U denoting it to be short (S denoting folding, as well).
An AK with an U denotation, like an AKS-74U, is more fittingly described as a carbine.

Also the Swedes fielded the H&K G3 as the AK4, 'Automatkarbin 4', or 'Automatic Carbine 4', despite the fact that the G3 and the AK4 derivative features a full length fixed stock and a 20" barrel, and wouldn't be called a carbine by anyone else in any context. It's not even shorter than the previous issued rifles like the Ljungman or Mauser.

There's plenty of idiosyncrasies on the definition of carbine in other languages but basically the English language is correct and everyone else is wrong.

>>34815748
>>34815712
We're talking back in 18th century lingo my dudes.

A "carbine" from 1750 was generally the same overall length as a full-sized infantry musket, but had the same bore size as the issued pistol.

Carbines are shortened rifles, they were originally designed to be used by drivers as a means of self-defense. Hence the name CARbine

>>34818542
carbine is a French word so the French must be right

according to them carbine is calvary rifle

mechanized infantry is the modern day calvary

so gun that was designed for mechanized infantry are fitted for that term. AK or AKM are short and designed around mechanized warfare.

so gun like AK are carbine, and they don't have a full lenght variant

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>>34818709
So you wouldn't call one of these a full sized rifle and another a carbine?

>>34818734
they are both carbine

they both have short barrel and shooting a intermediate cartridge

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>>34816507
Glorious

>>34818734
The rpk is a rifle. Those are carbines

>>34818779
RPK is more of a machinegun/SAW.
I would consider the SVD the Russian military's "rifle".

>>34818779
you don't need a "full length" variant to call something a carbine

>>34818779
The RPK isn't so much a rifle as it's a SAW

>>34818925
i would argue that RPK is more a DMR than a SAW but the Russian use it as a light machine gun anyway

>>34819009
>i would argue that RPK is more a DMR
Why, exactly?