Czech Engineering

>>34812347
It's not "way more better than akm". It's marginally better at best and far less prolific. The market is already dominated by AKs. No one needs it.

Its a decent gun, but the praises come from it being cheaper than AKs for the longest time and also less mainstream for that hipster appeal. Much like the Mosin, poorfags memed it up to justify their purchase.

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They're pretty good, especially in places where AK's are verboten but they're not. They'd be better liked if they took AK mags.

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>>34812347
It's really nice for people who live in places where the AK is banned because they get to have a high quality semi-auto rifle that shares the ergonomics and common AK 7.62x39 caliber.

>>34812347
1-Because no one but the Czechs made it
2-As already stated, aks dominate the Slav salt rifle market
3-Not much of an aftermarket for it
4-beaver barf furniture
5-mags are not as plentiful/widely available as ak mags

>>34812347
>how it is way more superior than AK47/AKM
It isn't.

>>34812347
>Why didn't this weapon gain much recognition?
It wasn't adopted by one of the major political blocs. If the US or Russia had come up with it and the Czechs had come up with the AR or AK, it would be the other way around.

>>34812347
>>34812529
>>34812440
>>34812440
http://imgur.com/a/BRIxQ

I fixed your problem for you. Go buy a vz58 now.

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>>34812347

>>34813176
Why? I already have 2 aks

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>>34813176
Why? I already own an AK and a VZ

>>34812347
Outside of Czechoslovakia and its successors, the gun is really only used in certain parts of Africa and by the IRA.

>>34813495
I meant Ulster loyalists, IRA mainly used Armalites/AKs/FALs

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>>34813527
Did someone say UVF?

>>34813176
Jesus, that looks like Ray Charles welded it with his feet.

That's like the definition of hack job.

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>>34813527

Had one. Liked it. With the control upgrades North Eastern Arms used to make for them the ergos were superior to an AR's. Don't like the ballistics on x39. Sold it and bought an AR. With a BAD lever the AR's ergos are almost as good as a VZ's.

>>34814048
>Airsoft

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>>34814205
>>34813527

>>34814048
>that trigger discipline

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>>34814287
>expecting thugs to have good TD

>>34814244
And?
Still doesn't change the fact that
>>34814048 has airsoft aks in it

>>34812347
>short stroke superior to long stroke

>>34815316
Depends on what's being stroked

>>34812347

Come on up to Canada.

Since we can't have AK's, VZ's are practically canonized as saints in the Great White north.

>>34813718

Why? What a pretentious faggot, that actually looks pretty damn n-
>notice there are more pics under the first one
-naaaaaaaaaaaaaah, I'm fucking outta here.

>>34814205
Those are Adler .22 AKs you dumb shit

>>34814048
t. Le Beta-Uprising

>>34815316
Locking system is more of a problem. Tilting bolt has an advantage over rotating bolt in military service(if the bolt or locking surfaces break it's much easier to fix them, with rotating bolt you have to replace the bolt, receiver/barrel/whatever) but civilians only get less accurate rifle out of it since 90% of the time they won't experience part breakage and if they do, buying new parts is the default way to fix those anyway.

>>34813495
afaik plenty from the old stock might have ended up in Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan even

>>34818407

They did, but the locals prefer AKs, the Vz bolt carrier guide rails don't really like fine dirt or sand.

>>34818428
Well, AK was designed for swamp use (lel) VZ was designed to troll the Troll.

>>34812347
Because it's really not any better than an AK.
It's perfectly ok, the AK is just kind of better.

Think the comparison of an AC556 to an M16A1. The AC556 isn't bad, it's in fact a pretty decent rifle, it's just that the M16A1 is way better.
Get one if you want one, they're fine rifles, but you're not really better off getting one over an AK. On the other hand, you're not really awfully worse off picking one over an AK either, a rifle is a rifle, both are 7.62x39mm rifles operating on a gas piston.

>>34812520
That too.
Like the Mini-14, it's a decent alternative if your government is trying to cuck you.

>>34816778
still a toy lmao

>>34818601
Uh, no?
The AC556 is a shitpile. The VZ is everything the AK should have been, and more. It's lighter, more accurate, made to much higher standards and just about damn near as reliable. Short stroke > long stroke.

>>34817553
Vz58 doesn't so much use a tilting bolt as it uses a tilting locking block, think sort of like on a Beretta 92 pistol or Walther P38 pistol.

It's not quite the same thing. The Vz58 actually has pretty ok accuracy, given it's not a less nice Century one (which can be improved still by replacing the slant-cut brake).

An off the shelf Vz58 in 5.56mm will outshoot basically any military issued FAL, for instance.

>>34818624
>action opens up wide every time it cycles
>better
Yeah ok. Why don't you ask some people who actually served with Vz58 rifles if they think it's better than an AK.

>>34812347
It looks a lot better with the folding stock than that paddle it normally has.

>>34813718
hey baby. If its stupid and works, its not stupid. Serves as a minimally viable example.

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>>34813617
>>34814048
>>34814244
Customary hiel Churchill

Patriotism, family and faith with you.

>>34815281
>>34814205

They're .22 LRs, much cheaper than 7.62 soviet in the uk.

>>34818624
I won't disagree that short-stroke is better than long-stroke, but the Vz58 really doesn't do anything significantly different or better than an AK.

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I have a vz58, no aks in Canada but I've handled a few in the states. Still prefer the vz, I think their the sexiest sbr rifles l, and if we are ever allowed to cut off the barrel to 15" and be NR, I'd do that. But I highly doubt it.

>>34818674
Quality control.

>>34818674
Except being milled at a cheaper price, and ((((nowhere)))) for a FTE to happen

>>34818702
>nowhere for a FTE to happen
You should tell that to Czechs and Slovaks who did service with them.

>>34818951
A beat to fuck anything will jam.

>>34818991
And the Vz58 doesn't really handle abuse in any better way than an AK.

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>>34812347
Vz.58 is love and national rifle for me

>>34819227
God they look sexy with real wood on them, talk about a rifle.

VZ's are fucking awesome.

>>34812440
The magazine is better, though. Lighter, has a last-round bolt hold-open and can be loaded with stripper clips when inserted into the rifle. Good stuff.

There are better .22lr pistols than Rugers, but they are the most prolific so they have the best aftermarket and economy of scale.

>>34812529
Canadians are manufacturing them now, too.

>>34818636
Both fail mud tests.
https://www.full30.com/video/753d617d16a9cb6c09526519a0740313
https://www.full30.com/video/2433e21e96a5be6f3b1633ba509c5e59

>>34819227
is getting a VZ in 223 worth it now that the Bren 805 is avaiable?

>>34819438
Yes, the most credible and relevant of ways to test a weapon...

>>34812347
I'll tell you I don't like how the Czechs put the slide stop actuators behind the mag... I don't like it.

Beyond that, the vz is extremely popular in Canada because ak's are banned by name and this is not an ak. That's probably a huge source of the praise.

I actually owned one and did not like it nearly as well as my ak's. Functionally, the only complaint was that it is very easy to ride the bolt. However, they don't do as well in mud tests and the lack of market share was annoying.

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>>34819227
The SKS is still the Right Arm of the True North, but the VZ58 will always have a place.

>>34819446
If your criticism is that it opens up with each shot, then please explain to me how it isn't about getting gunk into the working parts.

>>34818624
>It's lighter

When will people stop regurgitating this?
It's almost precisely the same weight as the AKM, which came out at the same time.
It's significantly lighter than the AK-47, which is completely irrelevant since no one gives a shit about the AK-47.

>>34819630
The only one lighter is the AKS-74U which has an 8.1" barrel vs the VZ58's 15.4" while also being chambered for a smaller round. Every other AK pattern rifle, be it a 47, AKM or whatever, is heavier. Often more than a pound heavier.

>>34813527
Czechs supplied IRA with weapons and explosives, using Libya as a proxy.
The vz58s in Full Metal Jacket were taken from IRA

>>34819630
Since we're on the subject, here's some weights I took on a scale. The vz58 would at least be lighter than my wood stocked ak-74 if it wasn't for the scope rail.
All loaded with 10rd mag or 10rds in the sks's case, or the standard 5rd loaded mag in the vepr12.
11 psl (scope included)
9.5 308 vepr-fm folder
9.5 mas 49/56
10.8 rpk-556
7.5 ak-74
7.5 vz58(extra few oz from scope rail on side)
9.5 vepr12
8.4 sks
I need to redo this without mags though. I don't remember why I decided to do it with any mags inserted. I also remember weighing the psl scope separately, but don't remember what it weighed now.

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>>34819794

>>34813471
Yo is that show good?

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>>34819760

>>34819709

Just weighed both. No sling, no mag, beaver barf on the 58, laminate wood on the AKM.
No cleaning kit capsule in the AKM buttstock and no cleaning rod to make it fair, as the 58 also stores them separately.
If you insist on having the rod in, add some 2 ounces.

Vz. 58 - 6.53 lbs
AKM - 6.61 lbs

Don't forget the AKM barrel is nearly 1" longer.
Replacing the furniture on both rifles with polymer would likely result in the AKM actually coming in lighter, laminate wood is heavy.

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>>34820472
You know well my erogenous zone

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>>34820472

why are these rifles so expensive? 1k is too damn much. you can get a slr for that price

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Reminder that if you're not running beaver barf furniture you are a shit.

>>34821284
Century used to sell 'em for $400 with extra mags, I (as well as many other kommandos) bought it when it was a great deal, now they're about $800 from Century. At this point, it'd be cheaper to buy a surplus AK or save a couple hundred more for a quality Czechpoint vz.

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The Magpul Zhukov handguards look surprisingly slick and appropriate on a plain Vz58

>>34821284
VZ2008s are only like 400 bucks and they work fine, just less historical value

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>>34821679
not bad

>>34821711
Used to be $400*
Look at the prices now, anon.
Look, and witness the true kikery of Century.

>>34821679
they need to be modded though right

>>34821679
Probably the only aftermarket handguards I've seen that aren't pure arse to look at.

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I sold off 3 AKs (mak-90, SAM7R, m70-ab2) but kept my VZ58's. I like them much better than the AKs and they were cheap. I got them when they were $400 with 5 mags, mag pouch, bayonet, sling, cleaning kits a few years ago. Bought a couple brakes and a solid stock for one. Very good guns for that price point. I wouldn't put them at their current market value as anything other than collectable.

>>34819851
It's occasionally quite entertaining. Some cheesy operating and dumb-action quotes without obnoxious political commentary. Also South African mercenaries, North Koreans, and IRA tits.

>>34819827
how to buy with mag adapter?

>>34821679
wonder how the stock would look

>>34824147
not him but aim is shipping me an RS regulate stock adapter and a magpul zhukov folding stock so i'll post the results.

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Oh hell yeah, VZ thread.

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>>34818601
/thread

i own both, the vz is great but since the aftermarket is really small it just isnt "better"

>>34819851
Season one (now called origins) is very worth a watch.
Seasons two-three are decent, different cast from S1, but after that it gets pretty formulaic with occasional good episodes. Seasons 2-5 are one long plot line with season six as its own thing.
Basically this:
>>34822972
>Some cheesy operating and dumb-action quotes without obnoxious political commentary.
Think of it as a B or C action movie stretched out to ~10 hours a season. Occasional tits and Scott is sexy as fuck.

>>34818624
>The AC556 is a shitpile
t. never even seen one, much less used one

>>34812347

I live in Maryland where AK is banned so I bought a VZ and I've loved it. Lack of aftermarket blows but it has gotten better in the past few years.

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>>34829988
>Maryland
Which range do you go to? AGC for me. Very nice facility

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Shitpost

>>34829999
what's with the unrelated /b/ tier images? just post your shit

>>34830389
I wish I had a Vz58 in my bathroom.

>>34819851

Strike Back is GOAT. Oper8ring, pretty realistic (mag changes, bounding, using cover, etc.
The good guys even get shot once in a while.

>>34829999

Friend's dad is a range officer for a moose lodge down in VA so I've been going there...when I lived in NM we'd just go shoot out on the mesa or on Rez land so I haven't joined one here yet. How is AGC? What club did you join?

>>34812347
>Why didn't this weapon gain much recognition
It does in Canada. It's the closest thing to an ak without being an ak because Canadian gun laws are stupid as fuck

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>>34830468
It's a pretty decent alternative when there's no AKs around.

With a magwell conversion you can even use 'pistol' magazines so that's pretty good too.

>>34829999
nice quads
>>34830459
Marylander here, there's a range up in western Maryland.
It's far away and just 100yds, but it's also unsupervised and (other than safety) rule enforcement is minimal.
http://dnr.maryland.gov/forests/Documents/greenridge/GRSFShootingRangeRules.pdf
Bring your own target stands.

>>34830513
>No RPAL required
Why wouldn't you get your RPAL, though? There's no reason not to.

>>34830515

I live in Montgomery County so that's like 2 hours from me :( I hate this fucking place.

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>>34830624
Hey same, and yet I go anyway because desperate.
I can't imagine how far we are from the backyard / 20 minute drive range dream.
Where do you go out of curiosity?

>>34822336

Extensively. I think RS Regulate was fucking around with them but they must have given up.

>>34830603
Because it takes a while and there are special requirements.

>>34830752
It takes just as long as getting a normal PAL and the special requirements are for transportation/storage, not for acquisition of the license itself.

>>34830815
Yeah but don't they stop you from shooting shotguns and rifles on public land and stuff? Or is that just for the actually Restricted weapons?

>>34830849
Only the restricted class firearms have those requirements.

>>34812347
It's a short stroke gas piston system, it gas a large amount of blowback due to the design of the bolt and lack of a dust cover, the entire design of the bolt and everything is basically a vz 52 in a platform reminiscent of the ak. And as others have said, there isn't as much aftermarket availability.

>>34830649

Might just make the drive then...I've gone to Silver Eagle down in VA with friends for indoor rifle and pistol, and On Target in Severn for indoor pistol that's pretty cheap. I fucking hate shooting indoors though so I'll def have to check that out. How crowded does it get?

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>>34830919
The times I've gone, there have been only a few people there besides my friends and me. We setup over 5 or 6 benches and it was fine, there being maybe 10 rifle and 4 pistol benches?
Once (and if) they build that bridge extending the ICC to VA 28, we'll /finally/ be able to get to WV or other free land in under 3 hours..

>>34824136

CSA sells it on their site and its not particularly hard to install, you just change out a few pins and screws.

>>34812377

This. Plus the ak can be tuned and recoil can be reduced quite a bit with gas jetting the gas ports.
The short stroke system cant really be modified on the VZ58 to reduce the recoil impulse from its violent action.

>>34832278

I reduced the recoil on mine by putting a comp on it. We used the folder and shot it one handed at 30-40 yards shooting oranges. It's really not that bad....not sure where people are getting the horrible recoil shit from.

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>>34832367
>not sure where people are getting the horrible recoil shit from.
No idea where that'd ever come from, the vz is super tame, both mine and a vz2008 a buddy has.
I don't even think a mosin or kar98 has hardly any recoil unless you are an absolute bonehead at shouldering properly. A 12ga slug etc from something like a pump action so you get the full force is where recoil starts to eek out of the tame category. Even then, a rubber wimp pad negates a lot of it.

VZ58 accessories for my Canadian bros. None of that gay ITAR shit.

http://www.ebay.ca/usr/gunexpert?_trksid=p2047675.l2559

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New Vz owner here guys. What brake would you recommend to replace the original slant one?

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>>34832712
>What brake would you recommend to replace the original slant one?
Literally anything, including bare threads.
That thing really messed with the accuracy of my friend's vz2008.
Get a slovakian brake clone if you get one, it's what's supposed to be there.

>>34832753
>bare threads
REEEEEEEEEEEE!
USE A THREAD PROTECTOR!

>>34814317
Stop posting these, some of them hit too close from home.

>>34818616
>instead of admitting defeat or simply not replying, i would rather pretend to be retarded just to get the last laugh

the culture this website nurtures is truly the worst.

>Be 3rd world country with warm ties to Soviet Union during the Cold War in 1960s
>Drastically need modern arms because you basically have bolt-action rifles from WW1 and WW2
>Can't have any Western arms which rules out pretty much any other rifle.
>Everyone knows about the Kalashnikov, and its a great rifle
>But you hear about the VZ-58, and you find it is better than the AK-47/AKM significantly and you want to adopt it
>CZ offers great price on the VZ-58 package for your commie army
>Soviets then offer to arm your military with AKMs in the form of military aid package for closer diplomatic ties

Do you buy the slightly better rifle with proprietary parts, or do you take the universal rifle that is known to be a great rifle for free?

>>34832712

I have this one: https://www.czechpoint-usa.com/vz-58-muzzle-brake

You can get that, or clones of it, from a lot of places like zahal or gunexpert on ebay.

>>34815316
Something tells me you're not talking about guns anymore.

>>34832753
what gloves?

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>>34832771
Yeah, but he might not have a thread protector on hand yet, and still wants to shoot his gun accurately.
So he might have to go a session without it, no big deal. You can use it as a thread protector between shootings, or better yet, just grind the end off of it to turn it into a muzzle nut instead of a crap brake.
>>34832821
No clue, it's a friend of mine shooting it. Some sort of winter camo gloves, that's all I know.

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>>34827373
The aftermarket literally doesn't matter though unless you're some tacticool fag who needs 20 devices and rails hanging on his gun

As for magazines:
>Oh no! They cost twice as much as AK mags.
But yeah, they are twice as light though because alloy.

>>34832812
AKMs t b h

>>34832809
It was a joke, sweetie.

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>>34830389
Im really glad i started this trend

>>34832712
I have two of the CNC warrior knirld comps and they are great.

Sand the back until it locks into the detent snug against the front sight post. The first time you put it on you may notice some wobbling. Sand a little at a time until you get a snug fit. That will ensure it doesn't get struck from movement. It too me about 10 minutes per rifle to fit. Don't be afraid to clamp in a vise and tighten the brake down by putting a rod through the port holes.

The slant brake is the worst. It throws the rear of the rifle into your cheek. With a folder that is the last type of brake you want.

http://www.cncwarrior.com/Knurled-Compensator-M14-X-1-RH-p/23263.htm

>>34832712
CNC Warrior has a Type 84 birdcage flashhider with M14 x 1RH for ~20 bucks. Miles better than the slant brake it came with, but it's an obvious US part. If you've got a Slav obsession, the same outfit makes commie look-a-like brakes in the same threads

>>34822905
if i have czech-ak; 'n' i buy 'nother czech-ak; i have 2 czech-ak

>>34828475
>fat
>anime
>telnyashka
>has foregrip doesnt use it
>sling doesnt even attach to rifle
try harder next time

>>34812347
The gun that was superior to the AK in both simplicity, production, and use would be Korobov's TKB-517.

However it was not adopted because the AKM was in full production at that point.

>>34837673
>lever-delayed blowback
>in a rifle
>good

>>34812347

I own a CSA VZ58 with all of the dressings. I love this rifle.

However, I also own a DAKM and believe it to be stratopheric for the price.

I'd consider these two to basically be 'the pinnacle' of what anybody should be interested in terms of a combat rifle out of the combloc. a few things I've noticed:

1. VZ58 is more expensive out of the gate. This is before you start to try and add on aftermarket parts, which are rarer and more expensive in my experience.

2. VZ58 is lighter. In fact, its mags fully loaded weigh less than fully loaded Magpul AK PMAG Gen3s (with steel lugs and spine).

3. VZ58 is more accurate than the AK, but not the DAKM by Definitive Arms (they do gunsmithing on the rifles + nitride barrel). So really one could say "VZ58 is more accurate than most AKs unless you get one of the better ones."

4. VZ58 is 'handier'. It's all around easier to handle and has outstanding ergonomics- if you buy the aftermarket parts like the mag release and LRBHO lever. This adds a not inconsiderable amount of extra cost (see #1 in this list).

5. AK has slightly better optic mounting options. You cannot put an optic on the side rail in all of the same places on the VZ58 due to its open ejection port.

6. This is where things got a bit complicated for me personally. The VZ58, according to those who have used them 'in the field' (e.g. contractors in the sandbox, armorers in the sandbox, etc) tended to 'break more often' than AKs. There's a thread over on the AKFiles about it. Guy said they broke more than FALs, M4s, AKs, G3s, etc.

Title of the AKfiles thread is 'VZ58 large round count - longevity'

Personally, I'm mostly interested in #6. I'd love for Rob Ski to do some serious testing on a VZ. But the issue gets compounded when you realize that CSA doesn't create new bolts or other internals for the rifle yet, just 'hand picked' milsurp. No telling what sort of condition or abuse they've been in up until that point.

>>34832712
>>34835427
>http://www.cncwarrior.com/Knurled-Compensator-M14-X-1-RH-p/23263.html

this is what i have, works great. slant brakes are dogshit

>>34820472
That's the first wood vz that I actually like. Maybe it looks better in the sun with natural light, but that is fucking sexy. Where did you get it?

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>>34812347
saving this thread

>>34832812
I deeply desire a vz-58, but free guns and close ties to Russia is a dealbreaker I couldn't ignore.

>>34830603
Just a dumb way of saying its non restricted and you can take innawoods.

>>34812347
Because it takes 4hrs to mill one vz58 reciever

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>>34813176
>spend 10 hours converting an AK mag to fit in a VZ, and need a welder, an angle grinder, and other tools to make it work

problem solved!

>>34832793
>t. bacterium

>>34851578
Sauce.

>>34851895
NEA rail?