It's been a good ride lads

>using a fucking B-1 for a first strike against an enemy with any sort of air defense

Senior military officers my ass.

>>34811842
>what are ALCMs
Nigger

>>34811775
>NK has been b8ing the US with edgy remarks and threats for close to 50 years
>US only begins to overreact now.

>>34811775
"Let's share this plan with the entire world!"

>>34811952
what is the axe incident

>>34811952
They've threatened the US with nukes that we know they have before?

>>34811775

For real lads, if we bombed a nork missile site, would they shut up or would they retaliate?

>>34812006
Not him, but yes. The new problem is they might be able to deliver it to the CONUS. If not now, then soon.

>>34811775
Nothing is going to happen. It's just to distract from economic issues.

>>34811991
What the fuck is NK going to do to stop 500 JASSMs from fucking them? Not a god damn thing.

>>34812006
They can maybe sorta do it now or soon. That and we have a leader more obsessed with his image than anyone else's lives.

The real worry is how much does North Korea believe Trump when he says these things? A simple blackout could be taken as a preemptive strike and reignite the war. North Korea paranoid and their only strategy is to ruin everything before the US can reinforce.

>>34811775
MOAB carpet bombing when?

>>34812000
The most tremendous piece of autism in DMZ history.

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>>34812142
>markets have never been higher
>major companies reported 6 year record quarterly earnings
>unemployment is at a many year low
>"economic issues"

>>34812160

Please, anon. I just finished fapping.

>>34812006
Hello underaged.

>>34812199
None of any of that affects the average person. It's a distraction.

>>34811775
what is OP-SEC

>>34812006
Back in 2013 they sent out a list of specific cities they were planning on nuking.

>>34812016

They'd shell Seoul to cinders before we hunted all the artillery sites down.

Then they'd cry to their lone Facebook friend China to make us stop.

The first time they moved a nuke out of a bunker, it would get raped.

This is oddly specific and I can't help but think this is either
1. Bullshit
or
2. Carefully manufactured bullshit

>>34812287

So the North Korea situation is a distraction from a distraction?

>>34812356
North Korea is the distraction. I don't know why this is controversial at all. It's standard operating procedure for governments.

>>34811775
I for one welcome the opportunity for America to stomp NK and put China back in its place.

>>34811842
>what are cruise missiles
You dumb fuck.

>>34812331
Only a portion of their artillery can reach part of Seoul and current estimations give the USA/SK the ability to destroy 1% of NK's artillery capacity per hour.

>>34812381

The Trump administration isn't that smart.

>>34812142
>economy doing well
>IT'S A FALSE FLAG TO DISTRACT DROM THE GOOD ECONOMY GUISE!!1!11!!
Seems legit.

>>34812287
>low unemployment doesn't affect joe blow...
you actually said this.

>>34812337
why not both?

>>34812423
>>34812427
It's amazing how all it takes is a change of a private, for-profit political party and suddenly all previous questionable information from the government becomes gospel.

It's too much suspension of disbelief to accept that North Korea is interested in their complete nuclear annihilation just to get in a shot at Guam. Talk about fake news. It's maybe half a notch above "jihadi freedom fighters".

>>34812179
Autistic or not, it was pretty /k/
>2 six man teams armed with chainsaws, backed up both by 30 soldiers
>backed up by 24 attack helicopters
>backed up by a fucking wing of B52s
>air patrols launched from all bases in SK
>Carriers group Midway just off the coast

All to chop down a fucking tree

And never in history has a tree been chopped the fuck down that hard

I'm not even a burgerboo but that was one hell of a ride

>>34812513
link to wikipedia article pls

>>34812562
cba, google operation paul bunyan and you'll find plenty

>>34812472
Nice strawman. You're being criticized for saying something incredibly stupid, ie that anyone would want to distract from the good news of a good economy. No one is suggesting the government is trustworthy, just that you're a dumbass with the logic and deduction of a 12 year old.

>>34812390
I don't even like the guy, but this meme got old before he was the final boss for Hillary.

And now it's even more retarded. If he's actually that stupid, how did he win, AND keep the whole city of DC in a constant state of assblasted?

Polite sage because this isn't /poo/

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>>34812389
>and current estimations give the USA/SK the ability to destroy 1% of NK's artillery capacity per hour.
>every time I've thought about estimating how many shells would hit Seoul I assumed the US could take out all of NK's artillery in an hour
Is there any estimate from a decent source as to what the damage would be?

>>34812652
millions of causalities

>>34811775
Can't they put this off until, like, next June? I don't wanna be stuck in boot while all the good shit is happening.

>>34812699
Is there any estimate from a decent source?

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>>34811775
>It's been a good ride lads

Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more

>>34812652
don't listen to >>34812699
he's a retard
read this
http://nautilus.org/napsnet/napsnet-special-reports/mind-the-gap-between-rhetoric-and-reality/

>>34811842
>aircraft meant to go low and fast to penetrate soviet air defenses being used for a first strike

>>34812703
Look on the bright side: maybe by then you'll get to kill Chinamen.

>>34812606
>No one is suggesting the government is trustworthy.
>Believe all of this economic data and by the way, these people want to nuke you!

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/foreign-policy/345905-how-a-renewed-korean-conflict-is-going-to-be-felt-around

>>34812513
You forgot to mention
>korean sf with claymores strapped to their chest taunting koreans across the bridge

>>34812427
>>>34812287
>>low unemployment doesn't affect joe blow...
>you actually said this.

Now Underemployment is at an all time high. Skilled workers making peanuts at a retail position is the new trend.


Not to mention the inflated employment number due to millions simply giving up the dream of working for a fair wage. If you refuse ANY employment, even shit wage and no hours, you are officially off the books and not considered unemployed anymore.

Wage stagnation is the worst for skilled professionals. Management and unskilled grows, while machinists, welders, builders, and anyone who works blue collar is fucked for years.

BUT DON'T BLAME TRUMP. Trump doesn't control stock prices going up and doesn't control wages settling. If the president really had influence over such things, then Bill Clinton was a genius (he's not)

>>34812972
You forgot to mention
>South Koreans are crazy fuckers and thusly told not to bring any guns
>they bring guns anyways.

>>34812152
the problem has always been china backing the norks. we'd wipe the norks off the planet so the south can unify the korean peninsula on their terms, but china was always the problem.

>>34812824
>the stock market's value is government propaganda
You're retarded.

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>>34811842
>A plane doing exactly what it was designed to do

>>34811842
are you fucking serious?

>>34812652
Against civilian targets?
Low thousands to low tens of thousands. The parts of Seoul that NK artillery can reach are relatively lightly populated and people would react quickly to head for cover.

>>34812626
Because half the country is just as bad as he is.

When was the last time you heard anyone talk about actual policy? It's all "Leftist" this and "Globalist" that. It's like the id of this country has taken over and every crass, ill-thought out impulse has been given freedom to run wild. The only constant in policy seems to be a knee-jerk rejection of anything Obama did, regardless of merit or ideology.

If you want to tell me Steve Bannon was planning to wag the dog, I could buy it. What I won't buy is that Trump could stick to the script. He's being led around the nose by his ego because God forbid there are things he can't will into existence. There's a very real chance the war could start again because Trump feels the need to prove himself as a tough guy. He takes any defiance by North Korea as a personal affront.

That said, I'm more worried about his bluster triggering a panic amongst the ultra paranoid North Korean leadership. Any unexplained malady, like a blackout, could be taken as a preemptive strike.

There's a fucking reason why every President has taken a cautious approach to diplomacy.

>>34811842
>>using a fucking B-1 for a first strike against an enemy with any sort of air defense
>Senior military officers my ass.

Would have been more metal if they used the faster B-1a.

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>>34812443
Anon!
you literally had one job

>>34812160

A better, more intimidating tactic would be to fire a few dozen cruise missiles in a fashion that they all arrive at discrete targets at the exact same time.

"At 22:05 local time, all strategic positions in north korea exploded."

>>34811842
You know what the B-1 was designed to do, right?

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>Norks go full retard
>Launch one or more missiles towards Guam, maybe trying to hit it, maybe not
>No way to tell their true intention, assume the worst
>Bombers on Guam gets warning and scramble
>B-1s rush off the runway and start heading towards NK
>Go supersonic over the DMZ
>Norks SAMs can't lock on, heir flak rounds are flying everywhere, their fighters can't be directed effectively
>B-1s launch their cruise missiles or push it even harder if they have bombs until they arrive at their target
>Missile launch site destroyed
>B-1s exit NK airspace
>That was just a warning

>>34812824
>the government controls the stock market

>>34812199
Saying "the economy is doing good" is meaningless.

It's just the top 1% are making bank. The average working-class American is unaffected; doubly so if they don't live in a major metropolitan area.

>>34813033
What does china even stand to gain by backing north korea at this point? If war were declared China could back the DPRK and we would have a general war between the east and west basically ruining the entire world for the next 30-50 years no matter who wins, or China could back the west (or more likely just do nothing) and have to deal with more mild economic competition on the korean peninsula in 10 years.

China isn't the problem. War is the problem. Western-aligned nations would inevitably crush the DPRK but it wouldn't be another Iraqi curbstomp where we only take a few hundred casualties and start occupation after a month, there would easily be tens of thousands dead on each side even if we did manage to finish it quickly.

The annoying part is that it seems the DPRK is slowly closing the gap, so unless we find a more permanent solution we'll either have to blink or fight an even harder war decades down the line.

>>34813765
>Why wouldn't China want a Western-backed country literally on their border.

>>34813807
That's stupid, the alternative to a unified Korea is the war that a unified Korea might precipitate.

>>34813640
Eh, that's not entirely true. With the economy recovering it's only a matter of time before employers are forced to raise wages to find new workers. Unemployment is bottomed out.

>>34813807

What, do they think the foreign devils would then build up in preparation to invade fucking China?

>>34813514

The b is faster at low alt

>>34811930
Association of Lutheran Church Musicians are gonna lull NK into a peaceful state,I guess.

>>34814162
>What, do they think the foreign devils will build military bases above the 38th parallel in conquered territory after the war like they have literally everywhere else in the world
ftfy

>>34814214
Brinkmanship doesn't work if you actually declare war, though.

>>34812513
Honestly, that always sounded kind of pathetic to me.
>they brutally murder our men
>we grab our guns and our dicks and come storming out to... finish cutting down the tree so we can have a slightly clearer view of the men who fucking murdered him
>then we go home

I get the messaging and all but it really seems like we were a bit powerless to do any kind of justice

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>>34814187
I just want to see a bomber scream in at mach 2+ playing welcome to the jungle as they start WWIII.

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Why doesn't the US just build aircraft carriers big enough to launch and retrieve big bombers.

>>34812287
>I don't own stocks because I'm a moron

>>34811991
You realize this is misdirection

First strike will come from the Ohio and Michigan

>>34812287
except that companies employ people,stupid.

>>34815004
Why not just drop bombers from bombers to drop bombs from bombers?

I reckon a good old fashion industrial carpet bombing would do the trick without resorting to nuclear escalation. Whats the size of usaf and marine bombers + ground attack fleet. How bombs could be theoretically drop in a 12 hour peroid.

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>>34811842
Classic armchair general post right here folks.

>>34811775
Welp, guess I'm going to war. 11B stationed in Hawaii, I'll be in the first wave when we go.
Wish me luck /k/omrades.

How can a robot like me join the army, am t.retard too.

will they run my social security number and find out im on neetbux?

>>34816517
Minuteman iii operator here, if you get nuked well make sure to fry those gooks

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>>34816517
Good luck. Slay em good anon.

>>34816517
KILL

>>34812732

Are they using the debian logo?.

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>>34812331
Trump will glass the NK artillery field and it's nuclear sites simultaniously. He will inform Chyna of our new 100% import tarrif on Chinese goods. Then unleash the dogs. 30 days.

t. It's true.

>>34816517
F

>I live somewhere I hate
>If they nuke me, I win

At last, I have reached Trudeauvana

Ever the tactician, Trump is employing the Fabian strategy against Mueller in order to destroy the US before he can be impeached.

>>34812389
Advanced counter battery radar?
C-RAM?
Aerial recon?

How do you figure 1% per hour? Or that SK doesn't know exactly where to fire considering it's all in plain sight? How about their ability to intercept? C-RAM has been a thing for a long time and it's been more than capable of taking out incoming artillery shells for over a decade.

>>34816517
Luck.

>>34816679
Kill yourself Phil

>>34816517
27D stationed on Hawaii (Fort Shafter) here bro here's to ya. Tropic lighting or some such. First duty station btw

>>34813640
>doubly so if they don't live in a major metropolitan area.


Burn the cities.

>>34816851
Schofield, and same. I'll hit my one year enlisted date this month.

>>34816517
Stack 'em like firewood bro!

>>34816517
Fucking grease 'em.

>>34816859
Jefferson pls

>>34816884
I hit mine in November also fuck North Korea

>>34811952
>>NK has been b8ing the US with edgy remarks and threats for close to 50 years
>>US only begins to overreact now.


Doesn't help that Trump is easier to bait than /k/.

>>34811842
NK AD network is like ~20 SA-2's, ~10 SA-3's, 2 SA-5's, and maybe a buk

Will get raped

>>34811775
Why not use B-2s and level the country before they know we even attacked?

>inb4 stealth is a meme

>>34811842
The B-2 sure as fuck ain't getting in there, North Korea is surrounded by an incredibly dense radar field that even stealth aircraft have a hard time avoiding.

>>34817189
Fake news. Even chinese UHF radar would have even a hard time picking up the b2, much less a target grade lock.

No vertical surfaces mean UHF/VHF radars have a bitch of a time getting a return.

If anyone fucks with NK they will fuck with them so hard that they never recover from the initial blow. Giving them any time or room by leaving anything left working in that country after the first strike would not be a good idea.

>>34817189

Radar is cheaper than the missiles it guides.

More radar does not mean more threat.

>>34816571
Newfag redditor

This is stupid. B-1B is used to launch cruise missiles for a stealthy approach. North Korea does not have an AD good enough to warrant a stealthy approach, Sending B-1B's will only destroy a small amount of targets.

They should send B-52's instead. Go with dumb bombs.

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>>34816517
Could be worse. You could be in 2ID right now and be the ones that get nuked.

>>34817451
>North Korea does not have an AD good enough to warrant a stealthy approach

Maybe, but you need to remember that US brass is very specops heavy. They like their attacks 'cool' more than necessarily effective.

>>34817451

Whats scarier, hearing a bombs burst miles away?

Or knowing there is no warning when a high precision tomahawk can park on an ingrown pimple on your faggot ass?

Dumb bombs are for dummies.

>>34817451
B-52s can conceivably be shot down.

Dumb idea is fucking dumb.

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>>34816517
Enjoy yourself and be careful!

>>34811775

Remember when Trump called out Obama for being so open about military plans?

>>34817532

This wasn't Trump, though. I'm not defending the doofus, but this is his generals giving their plans to the news because he knows that's the only way he'll actually listen to them. What started out as a late-night joke has become real: briefing the president through press releases.

>>34817532
Remember that time when Trump wasn't a giant hypocrite?

Yeah, me neither.

>>34817532
There's a different from planning night raids on Derkas and issuing threats as a deterrent to escalation. Of course we want NK to know we could buttfuck everything they've ever held dead in a heart beat with absolute impunity with such confidence that we will openly broadcast our plan of attack. What's the point of having a nuclear deterrent if your opponent doesn't know it's there? It doesn't deter anything if it's secret.

>>34817532
I'll give Drumpf credit, that military strike back in April wasn't expected

Still he's a fucking warmonger and idiot, he needs to be impeached

>>34817618
Fuck off shariablue.

>>34817493
What's better? Destroying 10% of artillery that's going to hit Seoul or destroying 30% of artillery that's going to hit Seoul?

>>34816517
>>34817455
Is this all larping? I'm a contractor working on Guam. There is absolutely nothing out of ordinary going on here except the news going ballistic.

>>34816642
This

>>34817681
probably logistic going madballs

Would dropping a ton of loaded P320's over NK be effective?

>>34817699
>Drop P320
>Gun shoots up
>Hits plane

everything we know about nukes is that both sides beat their chests angrily but never use them because it's fucking suicide. The north koreans will not be an exception.

>simultaneously speedrunning Watergate and the Cold War

is there anything Trump can't do?

>>34817737
>hits C5 full of P320s
>C5 goes down, crashes
>all other P320s go off
>???
>nuclear war averted

I don't see a problem with this.

>>34817451
The B-1 does everything the B-52 can better, in every single regard.

>>34817737
If the plane crashed, would there be any survivors?
Is this all part of your plan?

>>34817797
Yes, I've ran the numbers. That's best case scenario.

>>34812733

>B1-B
>low and fast

nope

>>34816517
82nd Airborne on GRF here, we'll have coffee and an airfield ready for you by the time you arrive.

>>34811930
B1 can't use cruise missiles.

>>34817451
>North Korea does not have an AD good enough to warrant a stealthy approach

Actually, it does. It might be 70s and 80s tech but it will rape any slow flying 50s bomber like the B52.

On top of the the mountainous terrain of NK means a massive pop-up threat as you fly over valley's, making it incredibly challenging for the US to use the Iraq War tactic of destroying SAM radars with HARM missiles outside of their effective range. It will take weeks to adequately suppress North Korean aircraft and SAM sites and achieve air superiority.

>>34817888
Don't be a little faggot, Mr. Mount Stupid.

REPENT. REPENT.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-158_JASSM

>>34817924
>2014

It's pretty easy to miss something that was only recently introduced faggot.

>>34817938
God damn, get the fuck off the mountain nigger. It was I introduced in 09

>>34816571
>Then unleash the dogs

seems counterproductive to improve your opponent's food supply

>>34817642
prove him wrong faggot

>>34817949
>being this autistic

lol

>>34818148
Rather be a correct autist then a wrong dumbass.

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>>34812287

>he doesn't have a 401k

>>34811842
What a fucking retard

>>34817815
Yep, for an aircraft it's size absolutely.

>High subsonic speeds at low altitude became a focus area for the revised design,[57] and low-level speeds were increased from about Mach 0.85 to 0.92.

>>34813765
>implying we would even send ground troops
>implying we wouldn't just spam artillery from naval positions on the coast, and use carriers and out bases in SK to launch a constant stream of bombs, fighters and intercept forces to knock out whatever NK manages to shit up

>>34811842
I can't wait for all the shitposters to get drafted, it'll a few years of oldfags while they either get killed or come back having some clue what they are talking about.

>>34816859
>Burn the places that buy most of the shit the other states make

Anon plz

The sooner we wipe the nork scourge off the map, the better.
And fuck China too.

You all know this is the international equivalent of a toddler holding his breath until he gets a cookie, right?

Kim Jong Il did it all the goddamn time.

>>34813497
Bit late but at what point do we take a harder line to NK? At what point is it enough that they keep persisting on their current path. At some point out bluffs and sanctions arn't enough, considering they still persist with their craziness. You have two choices, make good on your bluff/back up your threat or back down.

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>>34816517

>>34818529
It is, it's been going on for decades, and the response for decades was to pat them nicely on the head and give them some foreign aid. The problem is, the tangerine in the whitehouse takes all the bullshit saber rattling as an actual threat, and now we grow closer to war. And while there's obviously no real question about who would win a war between the US and the DPRK, it's very important to consider what would become of SK if things kicked off. How much damage would they sustain in the fighting? What the fuck would they while all those new people? And of course what would China think? The problem as I see it is I doubt Trump thinks far enough ahead to consider any of these things.

>>34819093
It has less to do with Trumps ego and more to do with the fact that the Norks now have nukes and missiles that can deliver them.

When Il would saber rattle everyone knew he actually couldn't do shit. With lil kim, he might just get pissed and order a launch on Japan or someone just for the fuck of it. Then we have a giant shit show because China and Russia are gonna detect the US counter launch and have a couple minute long debate whether to launch against the US on the off chance we launch against them aswell.

>>34811775

What will the soundtrack for this war be like, /k/?

>>34813640
>Kek what is a mutual fund
Poorfags gonna be poor

>>34819203
K-pop

>>34817913
>but it will rape any slow flying 50s bomber like the B52.

Depends on how hardcore the ecm is in modern 52s, which I honestly have no idea about

>>34819203
nah, we're going old school

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whhAg6bA3_o

>>34811775
Nothing is going to happen. The norks are well aware of the disparity in military power between them and the US, it's just Kim trying to look like he's in charge and keeping up a bogeyman for the nation to hate more than Kin himself.

There's no benefit to a war against North Korea as there's nothing to gain; SK doesn't want it, China doesn't want it, the US doesn't want. NK's only valuable as long as it exists and is stable, the latter is looking doubtful these days.
I wouldn't be surprised if any nork shenanigans is met with a swift regime change for a more pliable, less unstable dictator, courtesy of the Chinese.

>>34812106
Even if they can hit the mainland US, are they not guaranteed to be shot down?

>>34816679
kys

>>34812381
The Norks do this every time they are begin to run out of food. We send them aid and then shut up for a few months.

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>>34817963

>>34817759
Yeah. Be a successful president.

>>34819175
>on the off chance we launch against them aswell.
Why on earth would that happen?