What does /k/ think about AR-15s in alternate calibers(5.45x39,

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>>34807242

>>34807242
I don't know why anyone would use 5.45 in an AR when .224 OTM bullets exist and tumble just as well. All the 7.62 uppers seem to be shit. Honestly if it doesn't use the same bolt carrier as a standard AR it's a huge pain in the ass in terms of reliability and then it just becomes a toy.

>>34807267
this. just get an AK if you want to shoot steel.

I prefer 5.56 for anything defense related. Fragmentation works. A case could be made for hunting with 7.62x39 though

>>34807267
>I don't know why anyone would use 5.45 in an AR when some obscure caliber no one has ever heard of exists

If you want x39 in an AR, get 300 blk
If you want 5.45, I'd tell you to shoot yourself but the gun probably wouldn't cycle

>>34807470
I take it you're new here
224 OTM means the diameter of the bullet and open tip match
5.56 used 224 bullets


Quit being a fucking newfag

>>34807482
hehe

>>34807242
Would never own or recommend an AR in RU calibers. If you want a 7.62x39 rifle, get a WASR.

>>34807466
>Fragmentation works
yeah, when it actually happens, but whether or not a round will fragment is a bit of a crapshoot.

>>34807470
are you a retard?

On topic, most of the failures of 7.62x39 ars are sheering bolt lugs. Which is a pretty big deal.

>>34807470
>I didn't know 5.45 users had a sub-70 iq

>>34807497

family i think you might have a touch of the 'tism because you basically just said "why do people use 5.45 (a relatively inexpensive round to shoot) when they can just shoot custom 5.56 handloads?

you seem to have missed the point of the 5.45 ARs, which was to capitalize on the VERY cheap russian surplus at the time, which was about half the price of 5.56

calling people newfags for not knowing specifics about bullet measurements is fucking petty.

>>34807242
since the import ban 5.45 ARs are pointless but otherwise they were just fine beyond corrosion issues.
7.62 ARs have always had feeding issues and many have bolt lug sheering issues because they for some reason use a standard upper so nothing can be as large as it should be.

Why don't ARs work reliably with Russian calibers? What's the problem and can it be fixed? I haven't heard about anything wrong with 5.56 AKs.

>>34807541
protip; you can get very cheap steel 5.56 from the same manufacturers. better have a piston gun though. and 5.56 AR's like brass. steel won't give you a good chamber seal.

>>34807541
no, you are a newfag
faggot

>>34807562

yeah but then you have to put your own rounds together which takes time and therefore reduces the amount of actual money saved. handloading common semi-auto rounds never really caught me as an economical choice.

>>34807559
magwell is too deep for mags with the proper curvature
that's a big one

>>34807562
AK users are such plebs that when given a choice in bullet weights and types, they don't know what to do.

They just buy pleb tier surplus ammo made is russia 20 years ago.

They hate freedom to choose bullet so much they shoot corrosive ammo.

Like I said, fucking plebs

>>34807513
the 70 grain OTMs that out are extremely reliable. It's not a crap shoot.

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>>34807585
i'm not talking about handloading.

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>>34807541
Whoah look at this retard lmao who fed you that load of bullshit?

>>34807559
>I haven't heard about anything wrong with 5.56 AKs.
How about the feeding and extracting issues?...


Also who here doesnt shoot steel out of their ar? I've heard this meme before and it's simply fabricated from range fudds who want to steal brass.

>>34807597
>AKs
>corrosive ammo
>current year
>surplus Russian ammo
>current year

you know how I know you're not an AK fag?

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>>34807620
Not that anon but all the 7.62x39 i buy is surplus. Not corrosive but it's definitely dirty enough to make you think it is.

>>34807609

my mistake but remember in my post i said "at the time" when mentioning the price of 5.45. a couple of years ago 5.45 was like 15 cents a round and wolf 5.56 was still about 30 cents a round. its only recently that 5.56 has become reasonably priced.

>>34807596
What about >>34807245
?

>>34807585
>handloading common semi-auto rounds never really caught me as an economical choice.

That's because you didn't really think

Thanks to handloading, my stock pile of ammo is composed of 69 gr SMK and 64gr SGK .

I'd rather have 2000 rounds of sierra match kings over 2000 rounds of shit m-855

Reloading doesn't even take that long

>>34807242

The price of 300 Black is coming down, and all you would need to change is the barrel. Why fuck around with all of the internals?

>>34807636
what fucking surplus 7.62x39 are you buying?

the only surplus 7.62x39 commonly available these days is Yugo/Serb M67 corrosive brass cased, and to my knowledge, all surpluys 7.62x39 ever made is corrosive
maybe with the exception of Finn surplus

>>34807646
Again not that anon but what? my local mom and pop stores have been selling 2.23 and 5.56 for like 12-17 cents a round for the last ten years. They hiked their prices during the obama panic but are back down to 120 for 500 rounds of federal which is something like 25 cents a round


But here let me help you out
https://www.thebalance.com/what-is-the-value-of-a-dollar-today-3306105

The dollar, in america, actually changes literal value.

http://www.in2013dollars.com/2017-dollars-in-2000?amount=0.25

The price of rounds is still the same. The worth of the dollar has gone down. See; welfare and the rise of minimum wage. Both clear indicators of currencies value being reduced.

>>34807242
I bought a PA-10 (7.62) from Palmetto State Armory in June

I am pretty happy with it, although I have only put around 200 through it

The recoil is a lot heavier than with a 5.56, although I have had no feeding issues.

Upon receiving the weapon, I disassembled and oiled the weapon and took it to the range and fired it without a misfire or flaw. I zeroed the weapon, and after zeroing the weapon, it was consistently accurate.

Took it back to the range last week and put some more rounds through it.

It is heavier than the 5.56, but a fine weapon. It does not fit into the carry bag I have for my 5.56, so I will need to buy a new carry bag.

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7.62x39 ARs are shit. Or more specifically, the bolts are. Too much material has to be removed from the bolt face and extractor to fit that case and as a result, the bolts are notorious for exploding.

>>34807686
The trick is having small shops that only fudds go to order your shit. They don't know what you're asking for since they dont usually deal with military surp. The actual price is fine and ability to get it is easily available to a vendor.

I shoot tula, barnaul, norinco, even garbage wolf for cheap.

You can still get romanian hungarian finnish czech egyptian yugo surplus. Fuck man it's not hard to find surplus.

>>34807743
>You can still get romanian hungarian finnish czech egyptian yugo surplus
maybe occasionally at shows or something, but it's certainly not easily available

>I shoot... Norinco... for cheap
oh, I see, you're bullshitting

>>34807662
just for sake of argument how much is your cost per round and about how long does it take to churn out 2000 rounds?

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>>34807769
It is readily available.

The norinco I have was bought in 2007, I'm sorry if that's unbelievable to you.

I get a spam can of romanian ak food every month, 640 or 680 rounds I dont recall for 150.

It is certainly easy to buy that ammo and find it at stores that arent as technologically advanced as others.

Sorry anon, find a new store to buy from.
Also this whole thing with corrosive surplus.... Literally what, you're going to clean the rifle after shooting anyway what is the big deal. I have never had an issue even after leaving sks and aks with 400+ rounds through them in a shack for a month.

>>34807905

i have a feeling this thread has been invaded by gucci ammo purists

>>34807922
??? I just told you I buy everything under the sun. It all shoots .

See >>34807702
The dollar is literally worth less than it was 10-20 years ago.

150 dollars in 2017 was worth 105 dollars in 2000.

There is no panic buy. There is no massive tax on guns. The dollar is simply worth less than it was.

>>34807856
For 2000 SMK

Brass: 2000 = $96

Primers: 2000 = $62

Bullets: 2000 SMK = $420

Powder: 2000 = 6.86 lbs of vargent = $205
(Assuming 24 grains of vargent per round. 1lb = 7000 grains )

Comes out to be about 38cpr for Sierra match kings and about 25cpr on fmj handloads compared to 60cpr for PPU 69gr and $1.08 for black hills 69gr at cabelas.

So is worth reloading match bullets, not so much FMJ (about 30cpr on perfecta at Walmart)

This also assuming you buy all components from scratch and didn't bother to look for any deals.

Your time is worth what the market thinks your time is worth, so considering you post on a Mongolian basket weaving forum, your time is worth $0

>>34808068
>Your time is worth what the market thinks your time is worth, so considering you post on a Mongolian basket weaving forum, your time is worth $0

reloaders always end up floundering at the 'time invested part'. its always "you're a jew if you factor time spent into the cost" or "I LIKE monotonous labor!"

>>34808107
Tell me then, how much is your time worth. I want to know. If I want you to suck my dick for an hour, how much is that gonna cost you.

the value of time is indeterminate with out a market to assign value to said piece of time

>>34807267
I have one in 5.45 because minimum length barely that may get pinned and welded in the future. 5.45 surpluses used to be dirt cheap and afaik 5.45 still has better permanent cavity

>>34808107
Let's assume the following

$0.38 per 69gr SMK handloads

$1.08 per black hills 69gr SMK loads

2000 handloads cost $760
2000 factory rounds cost $2160

$1400 difference
Assuming 40 hour work week to load all the ammo

You could pay someone $35 dollars an hour for 40 hours to load that ammo for you and you will break even .

>>34808270

it takes you 40 hours to load 2000 rounds?

>>34808288
When I start smoking and drinking, it does

>>34808308

so really, assuming you work a decent job, reloading doesn't actually save you money if you value your time based on how much you make hourly at work.

>>34808322
$35 an hour if that anon's calculations are correct is fully $10 over average wage

>>34808322
Because only insects specialize

While true in pure mathematic sense, it would be more efficient to work a high paying job then turn around and buy ammo. It still doesn't fully attach value to the knowledge of reloading a variety of ammo and the insights gained from producing your own cartridges.

What happens when you lose said job?
What happens when you have to move or relocate.

At this point though we would be arguing about evolutionary strategies and trains of thought.

Basically specialists are more efficient in a single niche and do that very well. Highly reliant on said niche.

Then you have the jacks of all trade that can do many things not as well. This has a level of redundancy built in.

So basically do what ever the fuck you want.

>>34808464
Not that anon but this is 100% pure autism.

>>34808519

reloading in general is pretty autistic. its just minmaxing irl.

>>34808519
So you came to the center of autism on the internet to point out autism?

Fuck normies are retarded

>>34808570
>pot calling the kettle black
nice.
>>34808536
Reloading commercially available rounds like 5.45 and 5.56 is for retards. You can always find a deal that blows away the price per round if you wait more than 10 minutes to impulse buy. Literally.

>>34808570
>everything I dont like is 'le normies'
>or 'le newfags'
>supr sekret /k/lub
Et tu faggetti?

>>34808609

Here is my bulk 223 CPR
Bullet .076 (55gr fmj 76 for 1k)
Powder .074 (8 lb of CFE 223 for 160)
Primer .025 (25 for a brick of 1k)
Total CPR: .175

308
Bullet .17 (1000 147gr fmj for 170)
Powder .12 (8 lb of win 748 for 150)
Primer .025 (same as above)
Total CPR .315

Not as much savings on 223 but I'm shooting 308 for AR prices and the loads are tuned to my guns. I've got my 147 gr loads shooting .42 inches at 100 yards. That's sub half MOA.

I'm a father of three boys. 4, 2 and one literally born last night. After 8-9 pm I have some quiet time. I'll go in my garage and turn on a movie or YouTube and just relax with my presses.

My CPR on 300 win mag is around 40 cents and it is perfect. Same with 30-06 or 30-30, stuff that's $1 a round. I don't save money but I do shoot a hell of a lot more.

>>34807242
I have a hard on for the .277 wolverine. Only thing really stopping me is the cost of the barrel and I am looking to escape my state, so I am saving my pennies. Maybe next spring.

>>34807470
This is bait, right?

>tfw 5.45 will never be super cheap ever again
kill me desu I always wanted a cheap to shoot ak74 but noooo fucking ruined everything.

>>34807242
I have a 7.62x39 ar15 upper. It will often:
1. jam steel cases in the chamber when it gets hot
2. break the extractor pin upon bolt disassembly
3. not fully cycle, which causes me to lower buffer weight, which in turn makes it feel like the rifle is beating itself to death.

It's cool to have as a SHTF, emergency, be-able-to-shoot-another-caliber thing, but as a functional weapon, pretty much trash. I wouldn't use it in any situation where I have to depend on my rifle being able to shoot 2 or more bullets.

>>34807267
When 5.45 ARs came out it was THE cheapest centerfire on the market by a lot. It was a fantastic time to be alive.

Well actually 7.62x25 was dirt cheap too so maybe not

>>34807523
Yeah that's why the carpenter bolts came along and why 6.5G bolts aren't just 7.62x39 bolts. The other major flaw being the mags