/meg/ - Military Enlistment General

>>34805964
>>34805735
>Is it worthwhile to go for deployment several times?
absolutely
>I spend almost all my minuscule free time reading and drawing anyways so it's not like I'll do anything different when I sit in some remote base.
Haha good luck with that

A huge long shot, but is there anyone here who went into the Philippine Army via special enlistment? How was the training? Is it a good way to set yourself up for a good civvie career? Is the pay delayed like most govt jobs?

I have a medical marijuana card from CA that doesnt expire until next year. I wanted to enlist before then, and all the cool jobs require a clearance. What should I do?

>tfw can't make up mind between Aircraft Engineering Tech and Marine Engineering Tech in the Royal Navy
>same pay grade and benefits
>Marine I would be more likely to be on a ship
>Aircraft I would likely spend more time on a base in the UK
>Aircraft are cooler than Ships

Looking for an Army MP, just had a few questions. Don't need commentary on MPs either

>>34807712
What sounds cooler for you?
1. I was in the navy
2. I was in the airforce

Canadian, 23, male.
Studying Computer Systems at technical institute (college).
Want to be Signals Officer.
Can join Reserves while in school.

Questions:
1) Why the fuck won't the recruiters call me back?
2) What value can you get from beginning your career as a military officer? Is it just a meme, and a waste of valuable years?
2) If I want to be an Officer for a few years after graduating, will I be serving in reserves as enlisted until I complete my degree?

Thank you and god bless us all

>>34808321
What sounds cooler for you?
1. I was gay
2. I was in the chairforce

Fixed that 4u

>>34808338
Fuck me.
Should be 1,2,3 not 1,2,2.
Can't count.
Grunt move

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I burned out my sense of smell pretty bad with ammonia last year. How much a problem would that be in the infantry? As long as I can keep myself clean and smell noxious shit like gasoline, will I be ok?

>>34808445
>I burned out my sense of smell pretty bad with ammonia last year
Story time friend

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>>34808534
Nothing cool, just cleaning an unventilated storage like a wageslave. Got lightheaded, took a nap, woke up with the smell of ammonia for a week, and ever since I can smell at maybe 20% what I used to.

It's not a big deal for me, but I'd hate to get a medical discharge because I failed to notice that my gear smelled rancid.

>>34808572
LMAO
>in unventilated warehouse
>gets lightheaded
>GOES TO SLEEP
LMAO

>>34808579
I didn't pass out IN the warehouse, man.

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What makes you want to enlist?

>>34808600

Fire memes and making daddy proud of his boy.

>>34808572
>ever since I can smell at maybe 20% what I used to
>It's not a big deal for me
?????????
Dude wtf are you retarded? Go see a damn doctor and sue the fuck out of whatever shit hole company you work for.

>>34808348
They're both Navy roles.

>>34808711
If I did that there would be a public record of the fact that I have a smell deficiency, and then I sure as hell couldn't enlist. It's not like I was a bloodhound to begin with, I'll live with flowers all smelling the same.

Now if the army does find out and reject me, I'm suing the fuck out of the company. But until then I'll be alright.

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Any older guys here have tips for BCT/AIT? I'm enlisting at 26, I'm not really worried just curious of anyone else's experience of enlisting at an older age.

>>34808786
Same here I'm 25 but I'm planning on becoming army pilot through the warrant track idk if it will any different joining at an older age

Percentage-wise, how much of the shitting on the Marine Corps in these threads is accurate vs how much of it is just shitposting?

>>34808600
College
Experience
Tradition
Pride

In that order.

>>34808786
You wont have any issues that you don't create yourself. Same as at any age really, you may struggle a bit more in PT but should be ok. Just mentally prepare to be around a bunch of kids and being yelled at some by someone a bit older. Basic/AIT are such small pieces of your military career though so don't think about it to much.

>>34808968
70% accurate

>>34809019
What makes the Army a better alternative?

>>34808786
get into yoga or pilates before you go, your body is gonna have a shit time.

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>>34808600
>Travel
>Military benefits
>Early retirement if I choose to stay in
>$$$ for education if I don't

The Dream
>Meet qt while stationed overseas, fall in love, have two kids and a white picket fence around a nice couple acres of land

if i join the navy working on ships how long is the workday and will i be able to sail around and fuck islanders

>>34809279
>More pay (via faster promotion)
>More opportunities for advanced schools
>No Marine "culture"

has anybody here gotten in with a varicocele?

it's a varicose vein in your sack and 15% of men older than 15 have one

I have one around my left nut that makes it look waaay bigger than my right nut, and in the meps book it says that a varicocele larger than the testes is disqualifying, but idk how the fuck to tell if it's bigger or not

has anybody had one of these or had any issues with it in the military?

Should I go swcc?

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>>34807148
>tfw theres no guidance for your unique situation that i know isnt unique and thousands of other people just lie about it

>>34808338
>1
Because you're Canadian and your military is tiny. You're gonna have to do all the legwork if you want in.

>>34808600
never had a job where i cared
going to be too late due to age soon
have done white collar work and currently blue collar af, would like to go back to white (not joking, looking at intel stuff)

Was trying to get a 68w contract but my recruiter said there won't be any openings until the beginning of the next fiscal year or until someone drops out. Should i wait it out or go for another contract?

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Which service is most likely to charge me with rape?

Which service is most likely to charge you with a felony over nothing but hurt feelings?

>>34811681
Air force

>>34810283
Alright boys, I talked to the recruiter. Gonna go swcc.

>>34811946
Good luck bro

How difficult is it to be selected for OCS? My Dad's coworker was in the Marines and says that it isn't hard at all, while I always read online that it's nearly impossible.

>>34812050
It's not that hard if you're intelligent, have good grades, and don't have anything bad in your record. Army OCS is one of the easiest ways to commission (acceptance-wise) out of any military commissioning source.

>>34812171
His co-worker claims that he didn't even have good grades though

>>34812171
Isn't there affirmative action in OCS too?

>>34812213
Even better then.

The Army has pretty low retention rates for officers compared to the other branches, plus it's the biggest branch. They can't afford to be as picky as the others.

>>34812219
I don't know, but I would think not. I know Air Force OTS doesn't - the previous SECAF wanted to increase "diversity" and all that, but they stated that they weren't going to accomplish this through quotas. They are going to do targeted recruiting instead.

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This guy decides to enlist in the military.
Which branch am I most likely to encounter this type of human being?

>>34809720
>how long is the workday
Depends
>will i be able to sail around and fuck islanders
Absolutely

>>34812340

Air Force.

>>34811681
>>34812340
>>34811874
>>34812405

Can you start using a trip so I can filter you? Thanks.

Let's assume I cannot hide it, due to Top Secret Clearance etc.

I believe I was diagnosed Depressed when it was merely a state of grief due to a sports injury screwing over my plans. I did some research and it is a common misdiagnosis to mistake simple grief for depression, and it makes sense given how fast I got over it once I learned how to heal my injury. How does MEPS look at misdiagnoses like that?

>>34812604
For the last time, they do not dig through medical records for security clearances. It takes lawyers and legal proceedings to open that shit up, even with your consent. Security clearances are for international contacts, legal problems and financial history. They don't care if you broke your foot when you were 15 and didn't tell them.

>>34812604
>How does MEPS look at misdiagnoses like that?
They dont look at all if you keep your naive mouth shut whore.

>>34812604
You would need to go to a mental health doctor and get them to test you and document in writing that it was a misdiagnosis. They're not going to take your word for it.

But like >>34812642 says, they can't find out anything about your medical history that you don't tell them. Don't believe the rumors.

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>>34812658
>>34812642
>>34812604
To clarify, I had to wait 10 months for a waiver for bronchitis when I was 12. My first recruiter told me that they would open my medical files and find everything, so I said shit I better get in front of this. Every other recruiter after that, down to the MEPS doctor, told me that I just wasted everyone's time bringing it up.

Learn from my mistake.

>>34805964
bestgirl.jpg

>>34809630
>The Dream
Can relate, want to get stationed in Poland so I can meet some Catholic slav qt

>>34812642
.>>34812646
>>34812658
The issue is that it's linked to something I already brought up so there's a papertrail leading to it, so I'm potentially beyond the point of just keeping my mouth shut, although I'm trying to avoid it as much as I can.

It's shit I actually had zero idea was on record till I was already past the process of not bringing some things up.

Is infantry life better if you're an Officer?

>>34812828
>it's linked to something I already brought up
>I already brought up
Idiot

>>34812862
It was an injury that leaves physical evidence, so it seemed a better idea to mention it rather than have it reoccur and get fucked when they see the evidence.

>>34813022
Unless it was self-harm related, don't worry about it. These guys aren't detectives out to discover your deepest secrets, they just want to make sure you're not a threat to your country and the people around you.

>>34812845

>Is <insert> life better if you're an Officer?
Yes, by a lot.

>>34811447
The Army website shows that 68W is a job in demand. I wonder why he's telling you that

>>34813093
Is it worth being in the infantry as an officer in a time of peace?

>>34808274
>Don't need commentary on MPs
Fuck MPs, and you.

>>34813022
Dude at this point stop being cryptic and just say what the injury was and how was it obvious. IF it was just a scar you didnt have to go into what caused it and you couldve just gave some bullshit answer and glazed over it.

>>34813120
>>34811447
Because his quota needs other MOSs. Tell him to go fuck himself and go talk to another recruiting station or another branch.

Looks like I'm going to MEPS to become a marine in a couple weeks.

How fucked am I right now?

>>34813354
>marine
Absolutely fucked

Anyone know how long it would take to become a door gunner if I pick 15T? I'd be going in as an E-4 if it matters.

>>34811946
hey have fun and kick ass anon

>>34813354
how fucked do you feel? if you are going to be USMC I hope you really really want to be there and putting up w/ all that extra suck and bs

>>34813354
What MOS?

How does someone not currently in high school or college (no ROTC) join the Army as an officer off-the-bat?

>>34813481
You don't.

>>34813431
>>34813441
Well, It's kind of dawning on me that I may have pulled the trigger too early, and that I'm about to be fucked in the ass with a 40 foot pole. I just recently talked to a recruiter for the first time, and now I'm scheduled to go to MEPS. The recruiter said that it's just to see if I pass the physical and to see what MOS I can get into, but for some reason I feel he left out some bigger details.

>>34813394
Bump for this

>>34813613
You're not even in the DEP yet, you can back out at any time. Your first visit to MEPS isn't a big deal, but once you swear in to the USMC DEP it's much more difficult to switch branches. They can never force you to ship though.

>>34814024
So when do you swear into the DEP? I'm kind of afraid that they'll make me do it when I go to MEPS for the first time without knowing shit about my MOS. It's probably a stupid concern, but I'm very unfamiliar to all of this, which is why it feels as if the recruit is pushing me too early into the DEP without letting me explore the other branches.

>>34814146
Why the fuck did you agree to go to meps then? Tell your recruiter you want to cancel

Reminder that enlistment is not a zero-sum game: no branch is a bad option. There are only good options and better options.

Reminder also that the military employs shills to prowl message boards and fill you with misinformation. Take everything you see here with a grain of salt.

>>34812050
Easy with good GPA, PFT, and no police record including speeding tickets. Hard part is it usually takes one to two years from start to ship.

>>34814276
Found the marine shill

>>34814146
I did it while I was at MEPS for my physical, but I don't know if that is the usual. Don't enlist in the DEP until you're sure though, especially with the marines. They can and will try and hold you in the DEP for 365 days. I had to contact a congressman to get out and join the army.

>>34814276
t. Marine shill

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>>34814276
> There are only good options and better options
So when you compare something good to something great, the good option appears bad, aka a bad option. Eat shit reatard.
>Reminder also that the military employs shills to prowl message boards
Literally none of this at all is true. Not even close.

>>34814146
>>34814251
isn't it possible to go to MEPS and not sign? but to get that whole part out of the way and find out what MOS they will offer?

I get that there will be pressure (not sure how much) to go >>34814311 's route and sign right away assuming he passes everything

>>34813294
>>34813036
Iliotibial-band syndrome. A sports injury from excessive running, lifting etc that I read some 20% of recruits get in basic training/boot camp.
It is diagnosed by MRI, and there is likely old scar tissue in my legs that would show up on another diagnostic MRI if I get it again.

That said I shoulda kept my trap shut, no shit, but Gunny kept pressuring me to fill stuff out while I was barely lucidly awake and my logical mind wasn't present.

>>34814251
I agreed because the recruiter told me that I had to take a physical in order to see if I even qualify to enlist in the marines, and that the only way to see what MOS I can choose is if I go and pass the physical and get my AVSAB score.

>>34814416
>A sports injury from excessive running, lifting etc that I read some 20% of recruits get in basic training/boot camp.
Absolute bullshit. What fucking garbage site told you that? At worst some people get shin splints and thats if they arent used to running at all.
So did you have an actual visible scar or just scar tissue internally?
Cause if you had no scar man you sure are stupid.

>>34812340
Navy. The only branch where people spend more time playing Magic the Gathering than working.

What makes being an officer so much better than being enlisted?

>>34812642
what about marijuana usage? I was kind of a pothead in college. never had a problem with the law and im clean now.

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>>34814473
No physical labor, more money, better living conditions, people give you more leeway. Essentially you are a woman and being enlisted is being a man.

>>34814303
>>34814320
>>34814348
Oh hey, Air Force.

>>34814513

Plus you get to take care of your assigned troops and lead them in battle once deployed, carrying the responsibility to direct them the right way, while a single mistake can kill you all. Oh what a nice feeling.

>>34814446
Internal only, basically same way old bone breaks show up on x-rays.
The original plan was to go intelligence field with TSC, thus the honesty. Then I saw the diagnoses on record later and freaked.
Please start actually trying to help out with the original question instead of shitting up the thread chastizing folks like it's /r9k/.

>>34814576
Literally none of that is true. Youve clearly never served. Senior enlisted run the military and do everything you just said.

>>34814625

MY NAME IS JESSE VENTURA, I WAS A NAVY SEAL! HAVE YOU EVER SURFED YOUR CUNTRY?

>>34814621
Im chastising you because you deserve it. They never would have found out. Where you go from here well im not sure.

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With the straining relations with NK, might we see a surge in Asian base assignments?

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>wake up at 6 am
>at work by 8:45
>in at 9
>work until 5
>gym from 6-8
>in bed by 10-11

How does this change when I'm in the military? Do you still have time to do civilian stuff like watch movies, read, video games, etc?

>>34814700
depends entirely on the job/unit, but it's not like boot camp 24/7. The military is full of normal people doing normal stuff.

>>34814700

Military schedule is 100 % dependent on where you're at. PT for 1-2 hours in the morning, work at 0900, then getting off at 1700~ is fairly typical though. You end up with a good 5-6 hours in the evening to do whatever you want (depending on how much you value sleep), as well as lots of weekends and time off.

>>34813120
>>34813310
Actually i saw the job selection screen and only 3 were available none of which were 68w. I was also in the same room when he called in on speaker to pull the job. The guy on the phone said himself that 68w contracts are not going to be available until September 15th and i just want to have alternatives. Are 25 Series contracts any good?

>>34814913
>until September 15th
Thats not even far away dude. Might as well wait if thats what you really want.

>>34814682
more likely a reduction

>>34814646
The literally dozens of posts about TSC investigations pulling all your records from everywhere is what memed me into it. There really should be a stupidly in-depth FAQ on how that works because at this point /meg/ has contradictory info on it all.

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I've been shopping around in different branches. The job that I want to do is offered by both the Navy and the Marine Corps. The Navy says that it's very difficult to secure a Mass Communication job, as they are extremely rare, but the Marine Corps says that I have a very good chance of landing it so long as I'm ready at the beginning of the fiscal year.

I've been told that Marines receive a bit less training and deploy more on average, but if they're by and large pretty much the same job with a different coat of paint, then I have no problem with that.

Ostensibly, IS there a whole lot of difference between how the two conduct public affairs?

Relatively speaking is there a high chance of getting deployed as either a heli pilot(army) or a crew chief ?

Quick background:

I was in the Army as 18X and got kicked out because of an erroneous enlistment; I had a fucked up knee. I'm currently in the process of getting that medically cleared and am going to enlist in the Navy this time around.

My initial idea was to enlist as a nuke, however I'll take the OP's advice on that and won't.

So between SWCC and AIRR which would be more satisfying? does anyone have experience or knowledge about the programs?

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>>34814700
>wake up at 5
>PT at 6
>released at 7 for food
>mustard at 8
>sit around waiting for higher ups to stop sucking eachother off at 9
>find a closet to hide in at 9:15 before you get sent on rock paint detail
>lunch at 11:30
>afternoon mustard at 1300 to go with pic related
>hide in another closet for 2 hours
>find broom and sweep the same spot at 1515
>at 1520 lie that you've been around sweeping all day when someone says S'arnt was looking for you
>at 1658 run like fuck to your car so you don't get caught by 1700 flag
>go back to barracks and jerk off, trying to get tinder chicks to "come chill" at 1800

Welcome to sham life in military.

>>34815096
>/meg/ has contradictory info on it all
this si not true, i have almost never seen anyone say anything here other than lie. TSC has nothing to do with medical records.

What the fuck? Are they actually people planning to enlist that can't run 10km?
I haven't run long distance in years and ran 10km in 60 minutes last week

>>34815172
if you had a fucked up knee before, what makes you think that high speed navy shit would be any more forgiving to your sorry ass broke dick body?

>>34815124
I don't know about the Navy, but this guy published some of what he did in the USMC as public affairs
https://undertheradar.military.com/2016/09/j-d-vance-learned-marine-corps/

If you're really set on that specific job, your best bet might be to find a Navy PA and a Marine PA online and email them asking about their day to day jobs and what they've done.

>>34815358
Thanks man!

Does that Navy overwork the blue collar trade rates

What's the career path in the US Army for being a guy who digs trenches and shoots people?

ps i am not very smart so no big words

>>34815338
My injury wasn't sorted out, as I didn't know about it until I started running at a higher intensity. Essentially my kneecap wasn't tracking right and is on the otter portion of my joint causing cartilage inflammation and muscular instability.

After physical therapy my doctor suspects it'll be back to normal.

>>34815778
Just go to a recruiter and keep saying eleven bang bang and you'll find your niche

>Be writer
>Want more life experiences to write about
>Thinking about Marine Corps combat arms
>Gives me time to write shit when I'm not busy training and doing pt because I'm physically tired but not mentally
>Avoid the "starving artist" thing
>If stationed overseas I get tax exemption to writing income up to 100k for overseas exemption

Am I being crazy like a loon or a fox?

>>34809745
Not all jobs in army have faster promotion than their counterparts in other branches.
For example if you want to be a linguist you're much better off in the Navy.

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>go to Navy DEP meeting with friend, not as a poolee, but to see how things are
>things are going well
>Chief chews almost everyone out for not knowing the Sailor's Creed, general orders, things of that nature
>near the end
>Chief tells everyone to take a seat
>starts saying that, in addition to poolees contacting their recruiters weekly, they must also include the name and phone number of someone for them to contact
>Chief threatens anyone who doesn't do this with being dropped from the pool
>poolees are literally doing the work of a recruiter for them

Uh... I thought the Marines were supposed to be the cult. What happened?

>>34816139
Sounds like a pretty sound idea but why Marines?

>>34816139
Generally sound idea, but doing it in a job that doesn't have as much dreary bullshit but still has interesting stuff to write about might be a thing.
You could go straight up public relations and cover a bunch of events or things going on, or crew chief to travel more and see pretty stuff I figure. I don't really know how that all works exactly though.

Ive been thinking, if this Korean shit actually flares up to boots on the ground invasion, what would be the best route for me to go over? I have an degree in machining but I really dont want to spend a war fixing bullshit stateside. I've always wanted to work onboard navy ships, but I feel like maybe infantry would be the most fulfilling thing if it came to that.

>>34816728
Dude's full of shit, as chiefs tend to be

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I have a medical marijuana card from CA that doesnt expire until next year. I wanted to enlist before then, and all the cool jobs require a clearance. What should I do?

>>34818576
lie

I'm sure this has been discussed to hell already, but what would are the benefits and downsides of 68w vs corpsman (in navy)? Are they functionally the same job but in different branches? How difficult would it be to do either? How does the training differ? Thanks, and apologies for bringing this up if it has been a topic recently discussed.

>>34818823
I dont know how thyre different since i wasnt in the army but in the NAVY HM is a great job. Lots of career mobility.

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>>34818397
I'm a rifleman so maybe become this because shooting and stuff?
Maybe die, but good fun being a boot desu would recommend.

>>34817287

Because I want to challenge myself.

>>34817578

But the others have extracurricular events and would leave me too mentally tired to write. I can't be mentally occupied when I'm not on the job by the demands of the job.

>>34819030
90 percent of people finish boot camp, it sucks more than other branches but isn't necessarily challenging.

>>34816139
>>Thinking about Marine Corps combat arms
So you can write about how much fun it is to paint rocks?

>>34819122
marines still deploy their grunts more than army in peacetime

>>34819155
How is that a good thing without an enemy to fight?

>>34819105

I'm trying for Recon if I can get it.

>>34819122

I assume that we're about to do more than paint rocks even if I don't make it into the cool guy stuff.

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>>34819168
Can you direct entry recon in the US army? We gotta go Basic --> School of Infantry --> Recon selection course --> Recon Course

Pic related

>>34819166
You get paid more when deployed, also travel brah

>>34819155
They deploy at the same rate.

>>34819155
I didn't say anything about Army being better

>>34819168
>I assume that we're about to do more than paint rocks even if I don't make it into the cool guy stuff.
You can write about how much running you did and how heavy your pack is. Going infantry when there isn't a war is buying into fantasy.

>>34819202

Recon as in Marine. Army for some reason seems to be dismantling certain recon units and I can't for the life of me figure out why.

>We

Did you try it? How is it?

>>34819168
Well that's good, because if we need anything it's more SF guys writing books

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>>34819211

>>34819166
deployments get you hazard pay, moar medals, and speeds up how fast you're promoted. Also fucking around in foreign locations beats the hell out of wasting away in Methville, USA for your entire enlistment.

>>34819168
Go Air Force, be a man among security guards!

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>>34819229

Pffft. I wouldn't write a book about SOF. I don't care to be a propagandist. Especially not with pic related taking little jabs at the other services in his books these days.

>>34819254
>Marine takes jabs at other services in attempt to look better
Big surprise.

>>34819234
By being in the Marines you are inherently promoted slower and earn less. The entire thing boils down to bragging about deployments where you didn't actually fight or do anything.

>>34819267

Dick Cough was a SEAL.

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>>34819217
Yeah recon is fucked
Get inserted in bush and patrol with pack for dayz,
Then you hit an urban environment and have to do this fun stuff
Is fun if you enjoy running with a 80lb pack over long distances and shitting in a plastic bag and carrying it everywhere lel

This is an accurate description

>Army
I wanted to do military stuff
>Navy
I wanted to do military stuff and I like ships
>Marines
I wanted to do military stuff and oorah semper fi
>Air Force
I wanted to do military stuff but ended up in the Air Force

>>34819360

You forgot.

>Coast Guard

I wanted to do military stuff and now I do cop stuff

>>34808786
i went to bct at 29, get ready for a lot of immaturity. my drill sergeant was 24

>>34819366
I left out Coast Guard on purpose :^)

Really though the CG is a pretty chill branch. If you could get stationed near the southern border you might have chances of run ins with cartels. Otherwise yea you're a sea cop.

>>34808786
I'll be 25 soon and closer to 26 by the time I get to basic. Makes me slightly nervous that there will be 22 year olds telling me what to do but the end result will be worth it

>>34819546
>caring about age after 18

>>34819360
This is literally the only description anyone in any thread should pay attention to.

>Vehicle Mechanics
/o/utists. not real engineers.
>Aircraft Engineers
cucks that couldn't become pilots
>Naval Engineers
bunch of kancollefags that treat their ship like a waifu

Recently Redpilled
How do I go about joining the military
>Which Branch
>Which Position
>Whats the difference.

>>34819614
The difference in maturity between 18 and 21 year olds is astounding.

>>34820002
Branch is the category
Position is the specific role within that category
What do you want to do in the military? This is a serious decision so you should give it a lot of thought.

>>34820002
>Recently Redpilled
Stay out of the military please.

>>34820040
For the other recruits sure, but I meant you shouldn't be worried about the age of the person giving you orders. It isn't highschool anymore. Hierarchy has nothing to do with age. If you're "slightly nervous that there will be 22 year olds telling me what to" then you are the immature one.

How exactly do Marines have "worse" living conditions? I see that thrown around all the time. What makes them worse?

If I'm eligible for nuke in the navy but apparently nuke sucks, what's the next best thing?

>>34820442
>what's the next best thing
In terms of what?

>>34820498
Pay, benefits, post navy career, skill, top secret stuff idk
For example, advanced electronics tech or intelligence?

>>34820605
CTN
http://www.public.navy.mil/bupers-npc/enlisted/community/crypto_it/Pages/CTN.aspx

>>34820627
Do you need a security clearance?

>>34820757
Absolutely. Top Secret plus some SCI stuff im sure. But its arguably the best intel job there is.

>>34815133
Anyone?

What the fuck do people even do in the off hours of being deployed?

whats the coolest navy job that doesn't require a clearance and that translates well into the outside world? I'm not a citizen yet and can't get a clearance. Thanks in advance! And thanks for your service.

>>34821476
Deployed troops are still trying to figure that one out too

>>34821476
Jerking off in a port-a-john

>>34821476
Depends where you are. Some places have amenities like showers, working restrooms, internet (albeit extremely slow), etc.

I keep my sea bag loaded up with my laptop, several terabyte hard drives of video games and pornography, books, and hygiene supplies.

>>34821785
Do they check your laptop for porn? I know you're not allowed to have any

>>34821801
Can't check what they don't find.

>>34821804
What's the worst thing that will happen to you if they find any? Both for enlisted and officer

>>34821994
You'll probably get NJP'd, but honestly, if you're already deployed that's like a drop in the bucket.

>>34814621
No, we chastize because the lurkers hopefully will learn and pay attention when /meg/ says keep your damn mouth shut so they can avoid situations like this.

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So I have depression et cetera in my history. Assuming im a normal marine, would they ever look at that? I plan to lie about it on meps. They have the right to see it once I pass meps right?

What's worse, Finance or Human Resources?

>>34822967
HR by far, although finance is more competitive and a constricting industry.

>>34822870
>They have the right to see it once I pass meps right?

See what? You didn't say shit. How will they find out?

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I've spent the last 4 years working customer service at a Grocery store, and I was exceptional at it. I'm a strongly extroverted people person with a penchant for writing and the ability to handle myself well on camera (I've studied theater and acting from a young age as a hobby.)

What jobs in the military play into these strengths?

What the hell is with this diversity crap? We keep getting diversity powerpoints by our Officers about how minorities are so important even though the room is filled to the brim with Mexicans and Blacks. Not trying to sound like an angry racist here, but I don't see the point in forcing this shit when everything seems fine already.

>>34823422
I feel like this is bullshit and you're fishing for those (you)s

>>34823462
I'm not. We just had a presentation on programs that help Mexican Americans and African Americans.

>>34823490
What branch

>inb4 air force

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>>34823422
Sounds like it helps shut up lefty taxpayers it hyper neolib area recruitment center.

on a side note, we need to stop calling them riflemen so that we don't trigger people.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/29/air-force-stands-pat-as-marines-set-to-change-titles-to-replace-man.html

6 years in

Dont

>>34823628
The only actual concern I have is getting terminated before the pension.

>>34823653
Dude 20 years is a long fucking time

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HOW IN THE FUCK is everyone in the Air Force injured at all times? Why do you all walk with a limp when you can barely run a mile in 15 minutes?

Are you just a bunch of freaks who don't know to make it three feet without your precious shin splints? You barely move.

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>>34823714
Not if you are dead inside

>>34814475
Not the same guy but what are the odds this would show up if I lied

>>34824081
People who join the AF do so because they're normally not physically acclimated. Thus, injuries for more minuscule shit.

>>34819030
>Because I want to challenge myself.
Go Army because you have more cool guy options

How do I get push ups, sit ups, and pull ups up? I just started greasing the groove, but I'd like to know what others' experience has been.

What are some cheap exercise shorts I can buy?

>>34824500
wal-mart my man

>>34824479
push ups and sit ups should be easy, just do lots of volume. Work in sets. Increase your reps and increase your sets. For pullups get a bar you can hang on a door-frame and do them throughout the day

>>34824500
Grab some bbal shorts from salvation army. For training you can use whatever. The more weight is actually better, its more about temperature.

Only time you need xc shorts is in tournies, but you cant use those in tests.

>>34824479
Are you so stupid you cant even read the OP picture?

>>34824218
.5%

>>34824675
I don't read anything with anime

If I mainly wanted to do CAS missions as a pilot would it be better to go rotary or fixed wing?

>>34824712
Well stop being a faggot cause its good info. If you had half a brain youd realize that.

>>34824722
I wanted to know others' experience with greasing the groove. The aforementioned anime program is not greasing the groove. QED and KYS famalamb.

>>34810169

Yo I have one and I got cleared brah

>>34824777
>I wanted to know others' experience with greasing the groove
No you actually didnt, you said
>How do I get push ups, sit ups, and pull ups up?
Also you most likely dont even know what greasing the groove means cause fi you did youd realize OP pic works for that as well. Stop acting like you have any idea what youre talking about cause clearly you dont.

>>34824712
>he says while reading an anime imageboard

>>34824777
There's no secret to increasing pushups/situps/pullsups. If you bothered to google it you would find that the subject has been covered in depth a million times. Spoiler: You just have to do more pushups/situps/pullups

>>34824839
>wait 30-60 seconds between sets, and a few days between workouts
chill out

>>34824479
https://youtu.be/zy41a_RtzNo

He includes routines and programs for getting endurance and strength up - gym work and endurance work at a track.

>>34824938
And? Youre a weak novice thats what you need dude.
>>34824931
100% correct

Any helicopter maintainers in ANG here? how is it being deployed out of the usa

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>>34805964
Hey anons, I ship out to cape may for basic beginning next week. I think I'm prepared, but I'm getting more and more anxious as the day nears. any yall got any last minute advice for me?

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Hey, guys.

I just got laid off from my job as an investigator, right after I graduated from college with my associate's in criminal justice, and just before I was able to apply for my own PI license.

I'm genuinely considering joining the US military now that my civilian hopes and dreams have been crushed, and I'm wondering where to go from here. Which branches have good investigative/law enforcement positions? Which branch values associate's degrees most?

Thanks, guys.

>>34825062
>I just got laid off from my job as an investigator
Why? If your dreams are crushed you must have fucked up. Why not just apply in another state or something? Otherwise id say join the Army and try for that War crimes investigator job, i forgot the MOS.

>>34825062
You should check out Army CID

>>34825090
Laid off because the agency I was working for couldn't afford to pay employees anymore. I put a lot of time and effort into the job.

I guess I'm using hyperbole, but it's pretty devastating to me. I thought this was what I was going to do for the rest of my life. Or at least for a long time.

I'll look up that war crimes investigator position. Thanks.

What RAF ground trades should I consider?
I scored highly enough that every ground trade is available to me, but I didn't pass the CBAT (aptitude test) so no air trades are available to me.

My interests are in the air trades. I would like to serve 3 years in a ground trade and then transfer to an Air trade.

Right now I am struggling to chose which ground trade to enlist in?

Any suggestions?

>>34825149
Here it is
https://www.goarmy.com/careers-and-jobs/browse-career-and-job-categories/legal-and-law-enforcement/criminal-investigations-special-agent.html
Im pretty sure they just changed it to entry level cause it never used to be.

>>34825203
Thanks, man.

>>34825062
I'm wondering now, is military police a bad gig? I've heard bad things about them, but I'm not sure.

Any Army recruiters on or anyone on the inside? Got a big question and can't ask mine tomorrow due to training every Friday. I just did a credit check earlier to evaluate outstanding debt and found I'm $1400 in the hole (due to hospital bills) that is owe through seperate bills, some to collections agencies. Will this DQ me?

>>34825349
MP is shit not even memeing

>>34820197
I'm the guy you originally quoted. I stopped caring about age after high school and I'm sure there are a lot of mature, early 20s NCOs in the military but I also know that a kid who enlisted at 18 and is now an NCO at 22 and has never done anything else besides the military will have a very different perspective than a 26 year old who has held multiple jobs, has some college experience, and has started a business. It doesn't bother me that someone younger will be telling me what to do, but having been 22 and seeing how younger people act makes me believe that some of them might feel threatened by older enlisted by default. I'm just there to learn but a younger guy with something to prove might target the older guys.
Oh and you're not totally correct. Hierarchy may not have anything to do with age, but age has a lot to due with hierarchy.

>>34820797
Just out of curiosity, what makes CTN the best intel job? It sure seems that way to me but trying to find information about why is difficult. Is it because they have a broader set of responsibilities or what?

>>34825054
Say nothing during the moment of truth

>>34825485
Why, if you don't mind my asking?

>>34825062
>Which branch values Associate's most?
It's an E-3 in the Navy, Army, and I believe in the Air Force.

E-2 in Coasties and Marines, but you'll pick up E-3 by the end of your first year if you're not a shitbag.

If I were to join a special force, what should it be?

>>34825391
DQ from what? no personal idea but iirc that only matters for TS

>>34826092
Navy bandmember

>>34826092
SBS, do it with me

Anyone here a veteran? What's the chance of me becoming a fat bastard after service? Everytime I see videos or pictures of people who were ex-soldiers it always has them looking great as a soldier but when you see them in the present it is just some fat guy with a bad posture.

>68w
how bad of an idea?

>>34826092
The only actual "special force" are Green Berets. SOF encompasses things like Rangers, Delta Force, and SEALs, though.

Do you like the idea of getting in, getting out, and getting lost? SEALs or Rangers.

Do you like the idea of staying put for a while and working with the locals? Green Berets.

>>34826335
Kind of a hot ticket billet. If you want to be a paramedic afterwards, you'll still need civilian certifications [spoiler] which is pretty stupid [\spoiler] so get then whole you're in.

>>34826407
recruiter mentioned this option to me while talking to him, sounds interesting but ideally I wanted to do mental health specialist. 68w sounds a lot more dangerous, not that im necessarily opposed to that, but is the quality of life exponentially shittier?

>>34826220
You manage your diet or excercise often, not high. The problem is that when you're in, you pt all the time, so you can get away with eating 4k calories a day. When you get out, many don't maintain ntheir pt regimen, and gain weight fast because they're used to eating whatever and getting away with it.

>>34826468
Thanks, anon.

>>34826384
Which one would be the closest to what snake from metal gear solid does?

>>34826751
Green Berets. They're known as Snake Eaters. Solid Snake actually was 18 when he joined the Green Berets and Big Boss, although it was never explicitly stated, is more than likely a Green Beret in MGS 3.

>>34826843
>Green beret at 18
High speed mother fucker. I wonder if anyone that young has actually made it past selection

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>>34808600
>Learning skills that are both cool and useful for finding jobs, aiming for intel or medic
>Change of scenery, see new places
>Get the fuck out of my suburban lifestyle and shitty job bagging groceries and pushing carts
>Really fucking tired of Scottsdale
>Challenge myself with new experiences
>Tired of schooling now that I've got an Associates from a community college at 22
>I love my country deeply

>>34811447
If you really want it, wait and use the extra time to get /fit/ter. Especially if you decide you want to be Airborne.

>>34813354
If you haven't signed a Marine contract you're not locked in.

>>34827157
At what point are you actually locked in?

>>34824721
Bump for interest

>>34815778
Go to the Marines, you'll fit right in.

>>34827163
>if you haven't signed a marine contract you're not locked in
>at what point are you actually locked in????

y'know the marines might be right for you

>>34820002
>Recently redpilled
Go for 88M. You'll love it.

>>34827163
You joining Marine infantry ?

>>34826751
SF if you want to be accurate to Solid Snake and Big Boss' histories. But the sneaki breeki role is done by the Ranger Regimental Reconnaissance Company and the ISA (once known as Gray Fox). Both JSOC units you can't go straight into, but going SF or Ranger is honestly a great start, though people who do 18X wash out way more than people who are already in then go SF.

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>>34825608
what did he mean by this?
>moment of truth

>>34827228
>>34827248
Allow me to rephrase:
At what point during the process are you actually locked in? Is it after MEPs, right before you leave, where?

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Asking again: What exactly do people mean when they say that Marines have a bad quality of life?

Guys Im conflicted

Navy CB or Marine Combat Engineer
MARSOC or Rangers
SARC or 18D
Tanker or Heli Crew Chief
Infantry or MSG/FAST
I like doing all of the things above me do, but dont know which. Dont want to go to recruiters and sit there for half the day asking questions.

Also fitness question
Is running a straight mile or two instead of doing intervals like c25k detrimental/beneficial?

>>34827521

The intervals are meant to help you run for longer overall. If you feel it's too easy, just skip ahead a week or two until you feel properly challenged.

>>34825054
Just be smart, don't give the CC's attitude, don't sit with the back on your chair at mess hall. Sound off when you need to and I cant stress enough how important it is to just listen. Had a shipmate get yelled at during night time because he was too loud but he was so used to being loud that everytime he spoke he would slowly try to be louder again. Slipups can and might happen for some people, make sure you dont fuck up so bad you get put on ramp. Simple things like putting your shirt on backwards can warrant an assbeating from your CC's too. Brother company during Basic; CC made a shipmate yell "I cant dress myself" over and over again till the CC got tired.

>>34827584
Its not that I feel its too easy, I get my ass beat by default. But for some reason when I go to run whatever distance I think is associated with that day, I get my ass beat.
how cancerous is it to listen to cadences while running?

How should I spiffy myself up if I wanna be in marsoc? I assume they got 80 million hulk smash dudes trying out.. im 23.

The Australian army is now instructing recruiters to only pass women in 35 of 50 applicants, INCLUDING combat roles.
>Australian """""""army"""""""
http://archive.is/E6wdx
This really fucked me up, I really despise our government.
What do I need to do to move to America? Is it easy if I also volunteer military service?

>>34827714
Same situation here but I'm thinking of going for army rangers

>>34827714
Depends: are you currently enlisted?
You can't go MARSOC until you finish an enlistment period, so you'll already be physically fit. As with all SOF: run run run run run.

>>34827714
do the fitness app you can download on your phone called fitness prep with the Marsoc spear as the picture

>>34814522
Least we got comfy-ass chairs, and don't have to sleep in dirt.

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Are Pilots even a thing anymore?
Is there even a point in trying to become one?
Will my dreams of becoming a pilot be just dreams?
Will more pilots be needed for the upcoming war with the Norks?
>just join infantry

>>34827922
Im told you're more likely to be a pilot in the army as an officer than air force, but its still really rare. Odds of you being a fighter pilot are almost 0.

>>34827945
B-but there need to be a constant flow of pilots, right? Or are they all getting replaced by drones?
Eh, I'd settle as a heli pilot

>>34827963
Are heli pilots more in need than fighter pilots or bombers pilots? Are bombers even used now?

>>34825529
Best training, access to all intel bases and sensitive assignments.
>>34827082
>I wonder if anyone that young has actually made it past selection
No, because you have to be 20

>>34827987
I'm not a credible source but ever since top gun and other hollywood movies romanticised the fighter jets, everyone wanted to become one.
Bomber pilots have been a very low number because there were simply not enough bombers due to the fuckhuge price of the B-2 but hopefully with the B-21 those numbers will rise and more pilots will get their dream of bombing empty buildings

>>34828023
Any insight on this >>34824721

Whats the easiest way to get into the CIA SAD SOG?

What RAF ground trades should I consider?
I scored highly enough that every ground trade is available to me, but I didn't pass the CBAT (aptitude test) so no air trades are available to me.

My interests are in the air trades. I would like to serve 3 years in a ground trade and then transfer to an Air trade.

Right now I am struggling to chose which ground trade to enlist in?

Any suggestions?

>>34827091
just become a cop. all the violence of an operator, but none of the UCMJ consequences of excessive force.

>>34827338
"is there anything you may have forgotten to mention that we should know about? Speak up now. Its the moment of truth. You won't get in trouble, but this is your only chance to fess up. Anon, do you have anything to admit? You look like a pot head. Anything to say?"

>>34829065
>no air trades
I assume you mean no aircrew roles?
If that's the case then do ATC or WC.

>>34829108
God I don't know the term I'm looking for. No trades that require an aptitude test, just the airmen selection exam.

ATC falls under aircrew man, which I can't do.
What's WC? Aerospace battle manager comes up when I google it.

I really don't want a desk job. I want a job where I'm active and doing something hands on, not sitting behind a desk doing Admin.

I'd rather just join the royal marines than do admin

>>34829125
Weapons Controller. It's under Air Operaions Support like ATC (and they're combining the roles into one soon*).

Hate to break it to you, but RAF is just full of desk jobs unless you're a pilot or an engineer (or a meme Gunner, but you aren't going to get anywhere doing that role). Anything involving communications technology would be advantageous to moving to an air role.

>>34829162
Alright, I really do appreciate the brutal honestly.

Right now I'm lined up for FOA, but after having seen in person what they do on that job, I've just been thrown by the constant admin and desk work.

What advantages does it give me if I chose to suck it up and do it for 3 years anyway?
I'm more interested right now in something like Paratroopers for 3 years then going back and trying for aircrew again.

Not to say I wouldn't do a communications technology job, if it gives me a huge advantage

>>34827413
when the USMC deploys vs the army deploying the amount of logistical support, quality of bases, etc. is much lower. additionally as part of their culture almost they embrace extra suck to prove what badasses they are. shit like that. idk, i'm not a muhrine

>>34827521
i'm pretty sure recruiters won't give you useful answers to that sort of question, for once the internet is a better tool. they will pick whatever their #'s most want them to fill and tell you its the best

>>34827922
>>34827945
what about the upcoming AO-X stuff? if it even happens won't they want new pilots for that?

>>34829185
It depends what you want to do in the long term. You say you want to try for aircrew again or move over to aircrew, but what do you actually want to do?
Paratroopers might be relevant experience if you want to be a Weapon Systems Operator, but it won't give you relevant qualifications or experience to move over to something like ATC. FOA would probably set you up better to move to ATC (if that's what you want).

You should also consider what you want to do with yourself after your career in the RAF ends or if you decide to end it early. Where is 20 years of experience as a Paratrooper going to take you in civilian life?

>>34829263
Funny you say that because I DO want to do WSOp, that was what I was aiming for but I didn't pass my CBAT.

Actually everything you said is pretty relevant because WSOp and ATC were the career paths I was deciding between.
And after having been on a familiarisation visit and being in the ATC tower, I've been more swayed towards WSOp, even though I wouldn't say I disliked the experience.
Perhaps its age, but I can't see myself sitting behind a desk or control tower for the next 10 years of my life.

I am much more inclined to do paras if that lines me up for WSOp.

Although I feel like a dick because my interview is in a weeks time and I'd have to phone him up saying I'm no longer interested.

>>34829326
Give your local office a call and arrange a talk about selecting your role. I assume you haven't locked yourself into FOA yet, and the upcoming interview is to just assess your suitability for the job?

>>34829352
This is my initial interview, after passing the Airmen selection exam.

I'm already 4 months into the application process because the CBAT took up a large portion of it.

I'm a month into the application process for FOA.
Is it not too late to talk about it?

>>34829373
I don't know, like I said, you should call your local branch about it. You're a good candidate and you've already been through most of the selection process, and they generally want you to be happy with what you're doing. There'd probably be a delay in the application process, but you have to do what you want to do, anon. There's no point doing FOA if you have no interest in it.

>>34829396
Alright, I'll see what I can do. The thing is, ultimately I don't mind what I do for 3 years, as long as I can just land myself WSOp, then I'll he happy.

So I'll see what I can do! Thanks for the guidance.

>>34829407
Tell them that WSOp is what you really want to do and they should be able to advise you as to what would be your best route.

Good luck, hope you manage to get what you want.

>>34829418
I should add, I did say that after failing the CBAT and he advised me ASOp.
I spoke over it with a friend of mine who is actually working in ATC and he recommended me FOA.

Perhaps I should take a step back and look at ASOp.
I don't know if my recruiter is just tying to fill a space or actually giving me great advice.

That's kinda been my problem, everyone I speak to says something different and I have to try and guess who's advice to follow lol

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Something that's been bothering me for awhile, I'm missing my pinky finger above the second joint, will they take me? I'd like to become an officer, and scored almost perfect on my practice ASVAB.

>>34829489
Put on a fake witch finger

I'm AF prior service but I'm interesting in becoming a ANG warrant officer.. does anyone know how selective is WOCS?

>>34829760

>AF prior service
>ANG warrant officer
>anything AF related having warrant officers

Eat a dick you lying liar.

>>34829786

ang as in army national guard. af doesnt have warrants.

>>34827609
Keep running, when I started C25K the 1 minute runs were tough. But I kept at it and now I've run 21 min twice. The second time I felt fine afterwards.

If you feel you need to do a certain stage a bit longer, do it. I did the 10-3-10 stage a few times before jumping to 21 minutes no intervals.

Around week 5 or 6 it'll tell you to make a big jump in your running length to 21 minutes, I think that chart is a bit out of order, but otherwise the program works.

I've been doing it on a treadmill though, so my pace has been 3mph walking and 6 running. I need to pick that up, desu.

>>34826124
The Disqualify part was asked because as I understood it would be a problem for me to enlist with a debt over 1k.

What exactly makes Marines so much "dumber" than the other branches?

>>34829489
Army and Marines? Definitely not. You need all 10 fingers to shoot a rifle effectively.

Air Force probably won't give you the time of day because they're condescending cunts.

Look into the Navy.

I occasionally and randomly get migraines so bad that I have to sleep for 2-4 hours can I still do anything in the military

>>34830501
is there an actual diagnosis for your condition or are you just a pussy?

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>>34830501
>Sorry guys we gotta stop the op so I can snooze for a couple of hours, my head is killing me

>>34830533
Yes

>>34830465
All they care about is PT. You can make it through their OCS on PT alone, literally failing at everything but if you are a PT stud you'll graduate

>>34830544
I don't want to be infantry or anything like that maybe an armor

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>>34830465
All enlisted personnel are equally dumb. Only the enlisted believe their is a difference between them IQ wise.

>>34830586
>sarnt, my head really hurts i need a nap
take a knee, drink water, face out and pull security.

>>34830590
What if you're both a PT stud and a whizz when it comes to intellect?

>>34830501
Shit, I used to have the same condition when I was younger.

How old are you?

>>34830773
17

>>34830597
100% wrong
>>34830741
Than go become a green beret or PJ or something like that.
>>34830465
Its the reputation that attracts those kinds of people. Marines are very famous and easily have the best PR campaigns. The only people that shit works on are dumbasses so its filled with gullible dumbasses.

>>34830856
>Than go become a green beret or PJ or something like that.

I'm not really into slaying bodies though, either. I want to do something worthwhile that I can bring back to the civilian world.

>>34830972

SF and MARSOC learn foreign languages and interact with locals along with other skills. PJs learn a good bit of medicine, CCTs learn air traffic control. Basically he's referring you to smart guy SOF.

>>34830972
>I'm not really into slaying bodies though
>wants to join the marines
???
Also PJs save people not kill them, usually.
>I want to do something worthwhile that I can bring back to the civilian world.
Like what give me some ideas.

>>34830981
Oh, I see. Pardon my ignorance, I'm not extremely well-versed in the world of SOF. MARSOC would be really cool in that regard, but I believe that requires a full enlistment period to begin with, right?

>>34831011

What I'm trying to do is go in on a Recon contract and make rank quickly, then go out for MARSOC when I hit E-4 or E-5 since I think Corporal counts as sufficient rank and the Recon pipeline overlaps with the MARSOC pipeline in parts. If I could get them both in during one enlistment that'd be balling.

>>34831011
>>34831032
thats a pipedream and a dumb one. Youre way better off just taking an 18x or SEAL contract. So many things can go wrong while youre waiting for MARSOC. So many things. If youre going for gold go for it from day 1.

>>34830993
Well, not as a primary objective, anyway. I know that all Marines are supposed to maintain a level of combat readiness, regardless of MOS, but I also don't want to spend my time just waiting for action and not doing anything to improve my skillset.

As for what I want to do after, I previously posted that here:
>>34823380

>>34831048

Pft. I consider Recon to be on par with SEAL, and I'm comfortable doing the DA/SR thing for a while until I'm squared away enough to comfortable go for MARSOC.

>>34831080
>I consider Recon to be on par with SEAL
Buddy youre 100% wrong. Look up their training pipelines. They arent even close. Not to mention as a SEAL youll advance and get payed more so much quicker you have no idea. PLus massive bonuses. IM telling you look it up buddy youll be so much happier going SEAL over the marine route for so many reasons.

>>34831107

I've looked. The pipelines are roughly the same length unless you get flagged to do medical training, but in every SOF that extends the pipeline by about six months.

>>34831144
>The pipelines are roughly the same length
No they arent dude. Show me what you are reading about recon so I can see whats wrong.
>but in every SOF that extends the pipeline by about six months.
I have no idea what this means, every pipeline is spelled out in its entirety.
>>34831054
Well none of that applies at all so you can become whatever you want dude.

>>34831144
>>34831107
Different guy, but how comparable are the two training-wise?

>>34831176
Thanks man. I'll definitely poke around each branch and see what they have regarding Public Affairs or something similar. The Navy's Mass Communication rate is apparently extremely difficult to get, though.

>>34831207
>The Navy's Mass Communication rate is apparently extremely difficult to get
Is is because its so small size wise because its basically unnecessary. IM telling you you need to branch out and try something different. This is your chance to find something else you love.
>>34831190
Avoid the marines interily for a bunch for reasons.
Seals are
Naval Special Warfare Preparatory School (8 weeks)
Basic Underwater Demolition/SEAL (BUD/S) Training (24 weeks)
Parachute Jump School (3 weeks)
SEAL Qualification Training (SQT) (26 weeks)
SEAL Troop (TRP) Training
Then after you get to a team you can go to individual schools.

>>34831243
Oh, that's what you were referring to. I'll definitely do that, then. Thank you very much!

>>34831176

What I'm seeing on Recon is:

>Basic
>SOI
>MART or whatever they're calling that variation of selection now
>BRC
>Airborne
>Dive training

Total time averages about 11 months according to what I'm reading, but that doesn't include things like SERE school or Scout Sniper, whatever your unit wants to send you out to do from there.

What I'm seeing on SEALs is that it's just over a year but that's inclusive of SERE school.

It's the pattern that I see: Rangers, SEALs, Recon, and TACP have variations of the same sort of stuff just done a bit differently with different specializations. SF, CSO, CCT, PJ etc have other stuff on top of that basic set. That's why I'd rather do Recon to set myself up to transition to MARSOC.

If I weren't doing MARSOC it'd be CCT.

>>34831080
There is zero reason to go MARSOC if you aren't already a marine. Save yourself 4 years of bullshit and get an 18x contract.

>>34831313
this 100%
>>34831306
What you arent getting is a lot of recon training from what I can see is simsply out sourcing to other branches schools. Its not actually a selection pipeline so to speak.
Can you post the link you are reading this from?
And you keep talking about MARSOC meanwhile why?
You could just as easily go for team 6 or delta in the army but you are so focused on MARSOC.

>>34831372

Right, but that's the case with pretty much everything. Every basic pipeline is more or less a copy of the other basic pipelines.

>link

I've had to track every scrap down from a million links mate. Do you know how long it took me to even find the acronym MART?

>MARSOC meanwhile why

Because I'm keen on FID with a HUMINT leaning towards it, and that is being flashed as a MARSOC specialty.

>CAG or Delta

That's more of a SEAL or Ranger thing since it's DA with a CT bent to it. I don't lean that way, I want to do some of that but get into HUMINT and FID on the way.

>>34831432
Buddy your making the biggest mistake that all people liek you make.
Youre acting like you know what you want. The fact is you have no fucking clue what you want. How the hell do you know you like FID and HUMINT? You have no clue cause youve never even been close to doing it. Youre planning way to far ahead and assuming everything will work out just peachy for you.
If your mind is made up so be it but youre way better off not betting all your chips on this shit working out in the marines. Theres simply to many moving pieces and to many opportunities for something to go wrong.

>>34831506

That's just fucking life in or out of the military mate. I could get hit by a drunk driver walking outside to pick up my mail, does that mean that I should start cooking dinner instead?

>you have no fucking clue what you want

Oh, that's cool dude. So I should, like, totes go Navy SEALs because I have no clue what I want even though it has the same DA/SR mission as Recon but provides no ability to funnel into something like HUMINT and FID. Because I have no clue what I want and having the option to transition is totally, like, a mistake when you don't know what you want.

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>>34831530
>That's just fucking life in or out of the military mate
Thats not what i meant and youre proving my point.
You arent in the military so you dont know how it works. You dont know how the politics work. You gotta realize the best time to ever get something is from day 1 and have it in your contract. Because after that its completely out of your hands. Lets say you want to go recon but its not in your contract, well guess what they are full so fuck you now you cant go or your unit is undermanned and needs you so fuck you you cant go or the lazy retard handling your paper work loses it so fuck you you cant go or maybe he just doesnt like you so fuck you he lsoes it on purpose and you cant go or maybe your LT. hates you and he denies you so fuck you you cant go. the amount of petty politics and difficulty you will go through just to file a damn leave chit is insane so good fucking luck trying to make a huge move like recon and marsoc once youre in.
>but provides no ability to funnel into something like HUMINT and FID
You dont know that at all.
>HUMINT and FID
Again you dont even know youd like that.

Mainly re-read what I wrote above. You truly cant appreciate how very easily you can get completely fucked over while in for no reason whatsoever. Paperwork gets """misplaced""" constantly and people get screwed. If you want to gamble and assume the stars will perfectly align for you be my guest but im the one whose actually been in and seen first hand how easily someone who has everything going for them can get boned over something so little as an officer doesnt like you so he denies your request for a school or anything similar along those lines. But you know better than me since you read a few wikipedia articles.

>>34831633

I like foreign cultures a lot, I learned that traveling as a kid with my parents in the military before I even went to college and lived in the international dorm with international students. The idea of embedding in a foreign culture and helping them to fight for their freedom gives me a hardon.

>>34830384
>>34829194
>>34827584
Thanks guys, one more thing. I dont think most of you have this issue but how do you get past the fact that your family disagrees with you joining? Sure they cant do shit now, but the fact that they dont agree upsets me.

>>34831880
You ignored everything I said but anyway so why not go 18x?

>>34831929

Because I want to be part of a new tradition charting it's own course.

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>>34831944

>>34831957

>he doesn't get that traditions, and being part of them particularly getting to be part of a new(ish) one, is important

I see why you don't like the Marines.

>>34831962
>traditions
>new

you're a perfect fit for the marines

>>34831962
Buddy you just keep revealing how juvenile you are. That shit only seems cool now cause youre young. When you get older and grow a brain and start a fmily youre not gonna give a fuck about tradition, youre gonna care about making great money and staying alive. Not to mention yorue implying Green berets dont have tradition?