Military units made up of criminals

>>34805791
>appalled even some of the most notorious architects of the Holocaust
Not that impressive, considering the Holocaust was greatly exaggerated. I won't say it didn't happen, because there were prison camps, but there were no gas chambers, no lampshades and soap, and the 6 million number was an exaggeration.

"In November 1943, the regiment was committed to front-line action with Army Group Centre in an attempt to halt the Soviet advance, and suffered extreme casualties due to ineptitude."

>no citation
>only half the division was actually "hyper evil criminals", which is nazi germany could be something like singing songs about kindness
>It was common for entire divisions to be annihilated on the eastern front

Propaganda is what went wrong OP. Shame on you.

>>34805820

"A herd of pigs."

-Erich von dem Bach, SS General in command of Warsaw describing Dirlewanger's division

"As it inflicted its first fifteen thousand mortal casualties, the Special Commando Dirlewanger lost only ninety-two men — many of them, no doubt, to friendly fire and alcoholic accidents. A ratio such as that was possible only when the victims were unarmed civilians."

-Historian Timothy D. Snyder (and no, he's not a Jew)

>>34805805
For a minute I thought I was on /v/.

>>34805838
>1,500 "unarmed civilians"
Nigga that was basically fallujah 2: the prequal

>an ss division took a shit on them
You mean the same corps that hung wehrmacht soldiers for not executing civilians on command?

>>34805862
>1,500 "unarmed civilians"

15,000 actually

>You mean the same corps that hung wehrmacht soldiers for not executing civilians on command?

Yes

>>34805791
Giving criminals large amounts weapons, money and power in order for them to fight in a war is never a good idea.
Just like the Serbs did in the early 90s, where half of them were thieves and smugglers that sold weapons to the enemy for the right price.
Or in mid 90s in Chechnya, same shit. Or Ukraine, not 3 years ago.
Criminals ought to be cannon fodder, not shock troops.

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Arkansas was named after him

>>34805791

nazis were faggots, so thats primary cause of failure

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>>34805805
yeah, millions of polish Jews disappeared in occult nazi trick, hundreds of books made by Auschwitz survivors was manufactured by Mosad, and polish holocaust museums and Auschwitz museum are just nazi disneylands.Same thing with photo and video materials made by nazi and allies after camps liberation. Pls tell me where did you get such a brilliant postnazi-germanapologist brainwash?

>>34806245
>bošnjok diaspora actually thinks this is some shocking revelation to serbfags
lol everyone knows he was a piece of shit but he was an effective piece of shit when he wasn't selling weapons to the other side and pillaging

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>>34806280
Then why were death camps only found in the soviet side?

>>34806280
>millions of polish Jews disappeared in occult nazi trick
A lot of them no doubt died in the war, but that was no different than Polish gentiles dying in the war. Millions of people from dozens of nations died in that war. The fact that the Jews did too is not evidence of genocide.
>>34806280
>hundreds of books made by Auschwitz survivors was manufactured by Mosad
Many of those books make claims which are simply not credible. Stolen Soul, a book by an Australian Jew, claims that the Germans used milking machines to masturbate the Jews to death. Another "survivor" claims to have eaten diamonds and swallowed them again every time she shat them out, repeating the cycle over and over again to keep the diamonds from being confiscated. Other, less outlandish assertions about the number of bodies cremated are still incredible when compared to rates of cremation in modern funeral homes. And what about the teeth? If millions of Jews were killed, there would be literally tons of teeth buried somewhere in Poland. Where are they?

Here's a video of a Jew being brutally jacked off in Auschwitz (1943 colorized)

https://www.xtube.com/video-watch/Milking-Machine-Masturbation-6-intense-orgasm-23793411

>>34806280
>and polish holocaust museums and Auschwitz museum are just nazi disneylands
I never denied that those museums were prison camps during the war, but if you actually look at them, there's no way they could have been used as gas chambers. They'd have been some kind of retarded, Mickey Mouse version of a gas chamber. The Germans would have needed an airtight door and a way to remove and store the gas while the bodies were being evacuated. No such facilities exist. The "gas chamber" was so small that in order to fit that number of Jews in there, they'd have been packed like sardines. That would have required too much cooperation.

Why is it illegal in Europe to question the Holocaust? Truth does not fear investigation.

>>34805791
The confederate south was primimarily made up of trash to begin with. Not a big leap from scum of the earth to upstanding southerner

>>34806280
>>34806335
Even if the Germans could get all the Jews to cram in there like that, the door of the "gas chamber" would have collapsed when they all started to panic. Getting the bodies out after gassing them would have been even more problematic. They would have had to be dragged out one by one through the long "chamber" lengthwise. If the Germans, a nation known for engineering, really wanted to gas and incinerate millions of people, they'd have built a conveyor belt instead.

>>34806315
Because the only sources we have of the Holocaust ever happening are Soviet sources. The Soviets had a massive propaganda machine to lie to their own people, so why wouldn't they lie to the world?

>>34806336
False. The South had many from the nation's upper classes. Some of the oldest, richest, and most respected families in America were Southern planters.

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>>34806280

>>34805805
Train movements documents gave it away

6 million did happen(not all jews in the 6 mil you dense cunt)

>>34806364
Didn't they count same people multiple times?

>>34806411
No

>>34806411
Only the russians, and no one took their claims seriously.

Cant remember where I saw it but it was a pic with a census showing there were only 5.4 million jews in Europe in 1936, and 2 million fled the war, 6 gorrillion died in the camps and 1 million survived the horrors of occupation then thats 9 million jews total.
Could have been complete hogwash.

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>current year
>still believing the 6 million

>>34806315
The plan was to keep pushing the slavic jews east to eventally settle them in Siberia once the Soviet Union was defeated (German Jews were expelled years earlier, and were generally not the target of extermination). Once Germany's eastern advance was halted, they sent them to General Plan East, until the administrators there pushed back. That's when Himmler ultimately decided on extermination.

>>34806554

>current year plus 72
>still believing in the face known as National Socialism

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>>34806524
The thing is that Jews were not the only people sent to the camps. Mischlinge, gays, gypsies, slavs, communists and others deemed politically unfit.

I wouldn't be surprised that some people who were in the camps during the war pretended to be Jews later, to have an excuse to go to the state of Israel.

>>34805791


>be Nazi Germany in 1940
>create combat outfit composed of thugs and criminals "convicted of major crimes such as premeditated murder, rape, arson and burglary"
>"terrifying rabble" of "cut-throats, renegades, sadistic morons, and cashiered rejects from other units"
>unit turns out to be an almost comical band of fuckups who were kicked out of every major field command they were assigned to and whose most noteworthy achievement was sadism and brutality that appalled even some of the most notorious architects of the Holocaust

sounds like some of the american GI's durring the vietnam was

yeah i was reading about them one crime they did was they raped a young girl then cut her open from the vagina

the shit they did was so bad the regular german infantry once even attacked them

>>34805791
>Major Wheat

Sounds like a cereal mascot.

The entire British Infantry in the Napoleonic Era.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisowczycy

read about those guys, also Poles basically saved Vienna twice

>>34805885

> 15,000 actually

150,000 actually

>>34810594
This

>>34806335
Holocucks BTFO

>>34806604
>Generalplan meme
>Settle in Siberia
You know jack shit
>>34806272
>Completely starved of resources
>Horse-based logistics train
>Okay equipment
>Still keep the world at bay for five years
>>34805791
>Believing Wikipedia on the SS
This is where you went wrong.
If you want to learn about the SS, Leon Degrelle has a speech and a book about it. For a non-biased, concurrent view of Nazi Germany, read "notes on the third Reich" - Evola
>>34806280
>All books are based on eye witnesses
>Photos of bodies are non descript
>Physical impossibilities of 6 mil gassed and burned are not important
>>34809111
Yes, and the total "death toll" is 11 mil. 6mil of them being Jews. This makes it even more impossible

>>34806411
thats a soviet thing, they claimed 14 milion

>>34806315

Having extermination camps in your homeland might start to raise eyebrows. You don't do it on the main road, you go out in the forest and hide it. This is genocide 101. Not to mention, do you have any idea what the smell of burning flesh is like? Let alone on a massive scale? Do you think your people would be fine living near that and having human ash rain down upon them?

The Nazis were much better able to control what info went in and out of military-occupied Poland than Germany. Slave labor abundant, off the radar, its a mass killers dream. If Poles escaped, German citizens would probably just assume them to be exaggerating or outright lying.

This is probably one of the worst suggested holocaust-hoax reasons ive ever heard.

>>34806524
People lie on census reports

>>34806347

>crammed in
>broke down doors

How do you suggest this might have happened? By people wiggling furiously with enough force to drop a barricaded metal door? They crammed them in for multiple reasons, among them to disallow movement when gassing began.

Here's another thing you completely fail to undeestand- the Final Solution was never meant to be permanent. Once the jews were eradicated, the mission was done. As a result, the bare minimal upkeep and investment was put toward the project. At that point in the war Hitler did not have the money to build state of the art new facilities for housing and extermination. Hence the repurposing of buildings like the military barracks at Oswieçim. None of the buildings were properly repaired or maintained. The ovens designed by Topf & Sohne broke down daily. As to a "conveyor belt", if you can move bodies efficiently via cart, why would you invest more money in a new system? Again, this shit wasnt built to last more than a few years. They werent going to put in top of the line machinery for a temporary project while at war.

More advanced chambers like the one at Birkenau used metal carts on a track system with an elevator, others had Kapos and other slave labor pushing bodies on carts out and around the building. You could stack prisoners like tinder as many had already been starved/sick in ghettos and war-torn areas.

>>34810594
1812 was about the British navy press ganging American sailors into naval service.

>>34805791
The Union didn't have commissars.
The Soviets were a terrifying rabble of cut-throats, renegades, sadistic morons, and rejects anyway.

>>34806364
and right after the war, it was 20 millions (according to the soviets)
5,1 million these days, numbers are still falling
some jewish holocaust memorial organisation is listing ~4mils als offical missing by name

>>34808453
Look. There is a window of opportunity for transparency and honest. The age of information cannot be stopped, and inconsistencies in history are quickly being discovered. Choose to show the truth and appear as humble descendants of charlatans, or desperately cling to the lie, and be viewed as would be conspirators taking advantage of even their own people, leading astray GENERATIONS.

http://judicial-inc-archive.blogspot.com/2010/08/nazi-masturbation-machines.html

Your call broham. Excuse me. Brogefiltefish.

>>34805791
Are you an idiot?

The Germs were violent criminals.

The Confederates were volunteers from an unfavourable social class.

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>>34806315
Those are just regular russian camps.

A common mistake.

>>34805805
afaik the documents that slid across hitler's desk listed about 4 mil and this included non jews. im sure a few
more got toasted as the country fell apart and they tried to clean up who ever was left in the camps, but I
doubt there was more than 5 million total, less than half of the 11 million I was taught in school.

>>34805805
fpbp

>>34805791
Group A: Wherniggers
>bunch of semi retarded first world inbred WASP motherfuckers who grew up as habitual serious criminals and were given carte blanche to warcrime shit up

Group B
>Bunch a local podunk motherfuckers and first generation immigrants who grind day to day to make ends meet in the crushing poverty and shit show that is a ghetto in 1860s new orleans

It's because one of these groups was a bunch of sadistic idiots effectively invited to commit warcrimes and the other was tough as fuck idiots and moderate criminals under relatively good supervision

>>34815165
It also helps that the tigers were significantly comprised of ex-mil men too.

>>34810792

> 15,000

>150,000 actually

1,500,000 actually actually

>>34805791
Because one was actually criminals and the others were just normal 19th century underclass.

Also

> French army is composed very differently from ours. The conscription calls out a share of every class — no matter whether your son or my son — all must march; but our friends — I may say it in this room — are the very scum of the earth. People talk of their enlisting from their fine military feeling — all stuff — no such thing. Some of our men enlist from having got bastard children — some for minor offences — many more for drink; but you can hardly conceive such a set brought together, and it really is wonderful that we should have made them the fine fellows they are.

>>34814875
Does that include the mobile killing groups or mass atrocities by the SS or "honorable" Wehrmacht? Its unknown how many they killed but estimated close to as many as the camps, both work camps and death camps combined.

>>34815165

And also the 19th century man was actually a man, and not a testostrone starved ladyboy.

1940 Germans were just as degenerate as their even more effiminate 21st century descendents. The TRUE German man died in WW1.

>>34815522
>1,500,000 actually actually
1,500,000,000 actually actually actually

>>34813360
>Some people lied and exaggerated to sell books
Good thing holocaust deniers are unbiased paragons of truthfulness and definitely haven't lied to cash in on schizo bucks.
>skeptics aren't skeptical of skeptics

>>34817007
The 19th century man was a malnourished manlet, with almost no education and likely retard tier IQ by modern standards
This '21st century man is bad soldier because /pol/ memes' needs to die.

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In the Continuation War Nikke Pärmi was commendant of Finnish battallion 21, which was composed of volunteer prisoners.

Eventough some of the prisoners tried to escape, the batallion itself did well and earned the nicknamea "Black Arrow" and "Pärmi's Devils"

Pärmi had a funny problem with his speech which made him sound like Elmer J. Fudd
>A murderer was sent to under his command and its told that he replied to this: "Well well there is always a need professionals in War"

>>34816934
stay mad pole, lol

>>34811774
>rollerkosher

>>34805862
>>1,500 "unarmed civilians"
/pol/ tard fails to read
>>34805885
>15,000 actually
corrected in a civil matter
>>34810792 >>34815522 >>34817442
150,000 actually
Cannot make a reasoned logical response, him and his friend go through an emotional breakdown.

typical.

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>>34805805
> don't short change your heros stormfag. They killed plenty of people in the middle of nowhere.
>You don't take a train ride to the field/woods outside of town.

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>>34806335
>A lot of them no doubt died in the war, but that was no different than Polish gentiles dying in the war. Millions of people from dozens of nations died in that war. The fact that the Jews did too is not evidence of genocide.
That's correct, the argument is strong for Polish Jews. But the rate at which Jews and non Jewish civilians from France, Belgium, Netherlands, Italy, Hungary and so on were killed proves this argument false.

>>34806335
>Many of those books make claims which are simply not credible.
Some are not credible, that's correct. Name a historical event and I can find books making non credible assertions on the subject.
Bravo two zero had many such claims for example. Doesn't mean the gulf war never happened, or the Scud hunt for that matter.

Lone Survivor, book and film both stray far away from the reality. However it doesn't mean the war in Afghanistan didn't happen or Operation Red Wings itself.

There were thousands of books written on the subject. Most by non historians. makes sense there's a bunch of garbage in there.

>Other, less outlandish assertions about the number of bodies cremated are still incredible when compared to rates of cremation in modern funeral homes.
It's almost like you don't understand that machines are designed with a purpose in mind.
The feats of an 50's industrial ice cream machine are also amazing when compared to a modern household one.

What is considered "cremation" differed between the cases.
In a funeral home it takes a while to reach an appropriate temperature to begin cremation, it takes a while for the stuff to cool after to extract the remains. None of this matters when you're shoving one body after the next. When you don't care if the remains mix, and you can start shoving a new body even before the last one is fully cremated to fine ash.

These are pretty obvious and simple observations, anyone with a bit of a reasoning ability and objectivity could make these.

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>This thread is somehow two simultaneous conversations about holocaust denial and "the confederates did nothing wrong"

Its fucking glorious


Also the french foreign legion started off as a band of absolute scruffs and rogues

>>34806347
I'm sure the gassed jews were in peak physical condition and weighed well into 200lbs each

>>34806311
No he wasn't, his "troops" did nothing but pillage.

>>34813243
>and right after the war, it was 20 millions (according to the soviets)
>5,1 million these days, numbers are still falling

Soviet numbers were always shit.
5.1 mil figure is over 55 years old from 1961.
>The Destruction of the European Jews is a 1961 book by historian Raul Hilberg
>Hilberg's own detailed breakdown in The Destruction reveals a total estimated death toll of 5.1 million Jews.

Why can't you stick to the facts.

>>34817442
1,500,000,000 actually actually actually actually

>>34806524
Deniers love that claim, but it's basically using two census reports that covered different areas, with the post-war one covering a much larger area and thus coming up with this weird boom in population that makes it look like not only were the jews unaffected by the war but did nothing but fuck like bunnies the whole time.

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>>34818090
>"the confederates did nothing wrong"

They didn't

>>34818387

I would have fucked her like a bunny the whole time...

>>34817694
>Pärmi had a funny problem with his speech which made him sound like Elmer J. Fudd

He literally spoke spudro. Before military career he had two prison sentences, 10 days for public intoxication, disorderly conduct and shooting and 3 years for manslaughter. Also it is worth noting that he completed 6th grade of school only after he was released from prison, he was 25 years old at the time.

>>34805805
this, it was slave labor camps where you were killed if you couldn't produce but not what the jews claim it was.

>>34806364
Cept the jews are100% that 6million of there's were lost, not 6 million total.

>>34818447
>forgetting that you were deliberately fed a starvation diet, so for those who weren't sent straight to the extermination camps, death was still inevitable.
>Not realising that holohauxers have been completely btfo in this thread
Namefags everyone.

>Where did we get it so right where the Krauts got it so wrong?

Probably the difference between grabbing people form the bottom rungs of society that despite perhaps some minor crimes in their past were only the worst of the worst with a steady helping of classism and contempt of the poor, while the Germans on the other hand actually did go and find the worst scum availible.

>>34818471
that goes with being a slave.
the simple fact is, when you use logic and common sense, you see that the "soap" and "lamp shade" stuff is bs.

>>34806364
*Not all jews in the 13 million

The other 7 million were gypsies, other non-whites, POWs, and gay retards like yourself.

>>34806335
>modern funeral home cremations
done in a different way for different reasons
it takes forever in a funeral home because the kiln has to go from room temp to incinerate and then back down to room temp again for each body so that ashes can be removed and the kipn cleaned
genocide demands no such respect for the remains of the dead and the Nazis didn't care of they mixed remains

kilns ran full at full temp and new bodies were added without cooling or significant cleaning between cremations

>>34818421
>ITAOTS intensifies

>louisiana tigers vs dirlewanger thread
>turned into hitler dindu nuttin
>no pride at gassing jews and gays
>being apologists instead
Fuck you useless shits. I want a discussion about Louisiana Tigers not another boring WW2 dumpfire

>>34819588
>>no pride at gassing jews and gays
being monsters is not a prideful thing.
removing monsters from your country and using them as slave labor is more morally appealing.

It's ok, if you weren't a nigger you would be less blood thirsty and understand. we don't blame you.

>>34819588
My grandpa was a war criminal, had to flee Europe, and change his identity. He collaborated with the Nazis and they would have competitions on who could kill more degenerates.

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>>34819588

You forgot pregnant Anne Frank copypasta references

>she's louder than a line of Louisiana Tigers giving the Rebel Yell

It's as if the author was dog-whistling to Southerners or something.

>>34818488
It's been proven that the soap and lampshade stuff where anecdotes based on half truths. They did save jew skin stretched on frames

>>34806356
you muh jew faggots are truly the worst. You have no argument, you are literally antifa. Any opinion different than yours"HUURR DUURR YOU NAZI"
fucking faggot i'd love to see one of you faggots try that shit with me in RL i'd fucking sock you in your faggot ass face of yours.

National socialism is for faggots. FUCK SOCIALISM AND FUCK COMMUNISM. If your American and you want to be a socialist go to vanuzvela you fucking nazi faggot/commie faggot

>>34820200
Fuck off Nazi

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>>34818923
>kiln has to go from room temp to incinerate and then back down to room temp again for each body so that ashes can be removed and the kipn cleaned

Buahhahahahahaahhahahahahahahahahahahahaha no

They burn all day. Get swept out, then another body goes in. They only have "cooling periods" usually during off hours (ie when no one is there to load more human fuel). Granted the ovens do cool down a good bit during the final stages of cremation, but they are brought back up to tempature quickly once another body is loaded.

Don't know where you got this info, but any crematorium that is implimenting these room tempature "cooling periods" for an oven reaching 1400 degrees Celsius either doesn't have another body to load or is stupidly inefficient.

Modern, proper cremation takes roughly 3 hours to completely burn off all the biogarbage like your organs and marrow, after that you are stuck with a shit ton of dried bones, not Ash.

The "Ash" is a misconception, bones are ground up in a bone grinder afterwards and the resulting powder is the "Ash".

t. Undertaker

What you described the Nazi's doing improperly is the actual proper cremation process.

And yes, I will say it. It's impossible for that many bodies to be cremated in 4 years, even when we shift stats impossibly in your arguments favour.

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>>34820996
>tfw you Chadpost so hard he doesn't even reply

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>>34817694
Nikke Pärmi was breddy good source of quotes, veritable gold mine of comedy.

>"Duoda, duoda, teistähän minä saan erinomaisia miinanpolkijoida." (Kun osa hänen kurikomppaniansa jäsenistä kieltäytyi aseista)

Well, well, you will make fine mine stompers. (after getting bunch of conscientious objectors assigned to his battalion)

>"Vai sillä davalla, Eddä herrojen dulevaisuus muka vaadisi pois minun padaljoonasdani. Hyväd herrad! Musda Nuoli lähdee hyökkäämään huomisaamuna kello kahdeksan, eikä sen jälkeen 90 prosendilla deistä ole midään dulevaisuudda." (Joidenkin upseeriensa vaadittua siirtoa rauhallisempiin tehtäviin)

Oh, so your future requires getting out of my battalion. Gentlemen, we will attack 8 O'clock next morning. 90% of you have no future. (after bunch of junior officers had applied for transfer out of his battalion).

>>34806364
>not all jews in the 6 mil you dense cunt
When even the anti-revisionists have become revisionists themselves.

>>34805791
Injun Blood, plain and simple

>>34806354
This. The antebellum Southern aristocracy was legendary for its class (minus the whole curious institution part, but meh sweet tea and bbq)

>>34820200
>everyone who isn't a Nazi is literally antifa

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>>34818421
>>34819788
>>34823043
>>34815165

Pregnant Anne Frank getting wet at the demonstration of Southern manhood at its finest fanfiction and artwork when?

>>34819703
Milosovitc did nothing wrong.

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>>34805791
>implying the holocaust happened as its said to have
Wew, look at that bait mate

>>34817717
Under-fucking-rated

>>34809450
hello fritz, why so butthurt?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_of_the_Wehrmacht#Night_and_Fog_Decree

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>>34811196
>>Still keep the world at bay for five years
>failing so hard at strategy and diplomacy that most of the world declares war on your """"superior"""" ass

>>34819703
if he wanted to kill degenerates, why didn't he start with himself?

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>>34823310

This makes me hard just reading it.

>>34818351
Hunter 6 gorillion actually