I WISH THAT I COULD TURN BACK TIME

>>34801995
Literally Nambu tier

Sig will never recover

>>34801995
How sharp a blow are we talkin? Could the trigger bar/disconnect ever loosen up enough for it to fire from simply chambering a round?

>>34801995
What the fuck is wrong with quality control these days?
>samsung releases phone with batteries that catch on fire
>apple releases phone that physically bends if it's in your pocket the wrong way
>sig can't make a gun that doesn't go off randomly

>>34802059
>Sig will never recover
theyre already putting out a voluntary recall

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>>34802091
>production and/or qc and/or engineering outsourced to china

>>34802062
https://youtube.com/watch?v=W8Oz6krEH_I

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/08/08/p320-failed-without-even-dropping-no-plans-test/

>>34802091
Gotta shave every last cent off. Who needs QC when people will buy it anyways?
Or at least that's probably the mindset between skimping on making sure they're not releasing broken products.

>>34801995
Leave it to the U.S. Army to pick the worst possible replacement for the standard sidearm AGAIN

>>34802177
Shoulda picked a cz

>>34801995
>Sig gets next service rifle contract
>gun somehow gains full auto capability and empties itself when you drop it on the grip
Army Procurement™

>>34802189
Glock*

>>34802189
>le cz meme

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>Sig Sauer can't pass a test that a budget revolver from the turn of the 20th century could pass

>>34802177
>>34802189
Never should have left the 1911

>>34802222
quads of truth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sgycukafqQ

New Sig Sauer OST

>>34802093
Except they're not calling it a recall, they're calling it a

> voluntary upgrade

when they should be issuing a recall Right Now because they sold tens of thousands of unsafe guns to people.

And if they don't do something like a recall or a buyback they won't be able to recover from this disaster in the next 10 years.

Think I'm exaggerating? Remember what happened to Smith and Wesson?

>>34802216
Sure cz is a memegun but its actually good. I dont use their polymer frame guns, and I dont think I'll ever touch a handgun with a polymer frame. But my P01 has been kicking as strong as the day I bought her so w/e

>>34802222
quaids of truth

>>34802177
I'm not even a Glock fanboy (I prefer the PX4) but they would have been much, MUCH better off just nigger rigging a manual safety onto the Glock 17 and running with that. It's an idiot proof pistol with dirt cheap replacement parts.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>the kiosk of Sig Sauer

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What were people expecting? This is the purpose of the trigger safety. Either you can have a pistol that's fully drop safe, or you can have a striker-fired pistol without a trigger safety. You don't get to have both.

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>>34802277

It would be nice to have an ambi slide catch too, which Glock has ready to go.

>>34802265
What ahppened?

>>34802270
>CZ75 P01
my
fuckin
neighbor

comfiest gun in existence

Okay we get it p320s are fucked but tfb? what are you fucking gay?

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>>34802222
Holy shit

>>34802310
No, this is the purpose of a grip safety, a trigger safety, or a light plastic trigger that doesn't weigh enough for the trigger to pull itself due to inertia.

>>34802206
Walther PPQ M2

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>>34801995
Said it before and I'll say it again, should have just gone with a double stack 10mm 1911

>>34802091
>What the fuck is wrong with quality control these days?
Chances are quality control caught this, and was told to approve them anyways, because they have to make the ship date. That's usually how it goes.

>>34802589
Once it becomes repeatable, it's no longer a "QA" issue and more of a "some engineer OK'd the intern's work without checking the math" issue.

>>34802624
Just dont put a heavy keychain on it and it will be fine :^)

>>34801995
Any oldfags who remember the adoption of the Beretta and the slides detaching knew to wait a few years and let the Army find and work the bugs out of the P320.

>>34802091
The electronics are outsourced to rice and curry lands.

Guns suck because Americans ironically can't make good guns, or cars for that matter.

>>34802329
They went bankrupt after they cut a deal with the Clintons. Gun owners and stores rightly boycotted those traitorous SOBs until they were bought out by another company and have been great since.

>>34802624
Yeah, but that still neglects that the larger problem is some manager, almost always in sales, making a promise that they aren't in charge of keeping.

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Guy's I made a thing

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/we-call-us-military-conduct-thorough-investigation-m17-modular-handgun-systems-dropsafe-flaw

>>34802222
CHECKD

>>34802222
Ho Lee Fuk

>>34802696
>Guns suck because Americans ironically can't make good guns, or cars for that matter
Ok bud.

>>34802780
I can only give a personal response to that. As a newly minted EIT, I can't do anything about the promises made by sales. I can only do my job and pre-empt their fuckups in the process, attempt to pre-empt my fuckups, and then hope that my checker (the licensed professional in this whole chain) is also trying to pre-empt everyone else's fuckups.

That's if the company has never heard of Edward Deming, which mine hasn't.

>>34802824
He's not wrong. Our guns have gone to shit thanks to freedom group and shitty business practices industry wide.

They definitely aren't what they used to be.

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>>34802222

John Moses Browning smiles down on you.

>>34802909
Remington and Chrysler aren't the only American companies in their respective industries.

>>34802435
I was looking at this but have begun leaning towards a 10mm tanfoglio stock 3 instead because it looks better and I'd trust wops over flips.

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>>34802222
KWODS of TROOF

>>34802222
A 1911 that's made by Glock and accepts CZ magazines

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>>34802981
>I'd trust wops over flips
Rood but troo

>>34802122
kek, i though this was all hype until now
Sigfags btfo

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>US army adopts hideous siggydiggy because muh reliability
>It's actually not reliable at all
How will they recover from this one?

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>>34802221
Seriously, someone NEEDS to get an Iver Johnson revolver and do the same drop test. It would be fucking hilarious if a bunch of people tweeted that shit at Sig.

>>34802222
Who would make them? Isnt every modern 1911 shit now?

>>34803216
it fires all the time, I'd call that reliable

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>>34803216
By modifying the FCG before delivering units to the M17 customers. I wager they're not losing this contract, like some here are thinking.

>>34803390
RIAs are a faithful reproduction of the original design. New production Colt civvie pistols are overpriced, but of good quality. Dan Wessons are pretty good, as well. We can also get into the hand-fit territory of things, like Wilson Combat and Nighthawk Custom, but those probably aren't quite as relevant to the scope of military procurement.

Granted, I don't think anyone that makes 1911s is quite able to meet the demands of an army contract at the moment.

>>34802270
>>34802337
Am I the only CZ fag in existence that has a D PCR instead of a P01

>>34801995
Glad I got my P320 several years ago. I assume this is a recent QC issue?

>>34803510
Well, if D PCRs were readily available you probably wouldn't be.

>>34803516
No. Design flaw. Exercise caution and get the "upgrade"

>>34803516
No, it appears to be a problem with civilian P320s in general. if you watch the footage, sudden strong transfers of energy from the back of the slide can cause the trigger to rebound.

Reference >>34803480

Time to get a free "upgrade", hey?

>>34801995
>smashing your gun in the back with a hammer might cause it to fire

>>34803543
>>34803548
Thanks, I'll contact Sig posthaste.

>>34803558
yes also dropping it does

>>34803558
literally a problem solved by drop safe revolvers more than a century ago.

>>34802738
>have been great since
Except they haven't. They continue to put the Hillary hole in all their revolvers except one. They even have the audacity to put it in their classic pistols!

>>34803570
From the Memo:
>SIG SAUER is offering these enhancements to its customers. Details of this program will be available at sigsauer.com on Monday, August 14, 2017.

Check their website on the 14th. Don't juggle your P320 until yours has been serviced.

>>34803582
And their most popular pistols in years are fucking Walthers.

>>34803613
Thanks, I failed to see that detail.

Sig comes off as a little scummy to be calling it a voluntary upgrade. They argue they meet the US standards for safety, but come on, this problem has been totally solved by numerous firearms in the past. This shouldn't be an issue.

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>>34801995
Guys I have my sig next to me on the desk should I unload it? I am literally scared no joke

>>34803650
You should kill it before it kills you

>>34803650
Is there a round chambered?
If yes, why the fuck do you have a round chambered in a gun you're not carrying?
If no, why the fuck would you think it's at all unsafe?

>>34803317
I fucking have one

>>34803650
don't move anon, you don't want to risk shifting the carpet and causing it to fall of the desk

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>>34803665

>>34803650
Listen to me, anon. Keep the muzzle in a safe direction. Remove the magazine. Remove the round from the chamber. Make sure the chamber is empty. Send the pistol back to Sig. When they send it back, sell it, and never trust Sig again. Get yourself a nice Smith and Wesson model 10.

>>34803685
>don't move anon
It's ND is based on movement! It can't ND if you don't move!

>>34803691
m8

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>>34801995
https://youtu.be/DK4FTvaW_6Q

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>be me last week
>finally gonna get my first compact sized 9mm handgun
>finally have 2 left to decide between the p320 compact or xd mod2 4.0 both the same price
>get p320 compact
>skip forward 1 week from now see this
>mfw should of got xd

>>34803705
I got ammo but I need to dig it out. hold on.

>>34802265
You mean they'll remain a household name selling popular handguns?

How do all you dumb fucks buy a 320? Everything SIG USA has made has been a failure, required safety recallls, or several generations to fix problems. Just how do you spend money on something made by such a fuckup?

>>34803730
>Ruger AR-556 FDE
for how much?

>>34803646
Engineering complex machines is not necessarily iterative. If that were true, why do cars still get recalled? As for the language, You are correct. I love my P320, but the corporate-speak and legalese-crafted language annoys me.

>>34803730
>asks if it's a good deal
>doesn't post a price

Fucking retard.

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>>34803716
Here we fucking go

>>34803731
S&W's revolvers had been in service for decades before one killed a service member by drop failure. The 320 didn't even make it into military service, before it killed a civilian cop.

>>34803646
The CEO is a Jew, surprised?

>>34803756
what a legend

>>34803763
Source? I saw shot a cop in the leg but I didn't see killed.

>>34803756
HAMMER TIME!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCpCn0l4Wo

>>34803772
My error.

>>34802413
My absolute fucking nigger

>>34801995
holy shit sig fags on suicide watch jesus christ will they ever recover?

>>34801995

so what the he'll is actually happening? the sear is shit?

>>34802696
lmao have you seen the latests german cars? Beyond shit. also.
>any car made in the UK
>FCA

>>34803711
Should have got a Glock 19, desu

>>34803756
FUCK does anybody know what I can do to make the vid file smaller?? It's not allowing it

>>34803797
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/08/jeremy-s/mechanics-behind-sig-p320-drop-safety-failures/

>>34803833
How big is the video? Where are you trying to upload?

>>34803833
For now, just render it to a lower res.

>>34803756
>8 minutes
RIP

>>34802222
Checked

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>>34803708
>The real third impact was a Sig falling on concrete

>>34803510
Buddy of mine has one.

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>>34803756
waiting for this

>>34803894
Fucking hang on. Oh and I did a hammer the hammer test!

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>>34803744
>It's SIG. That means it's swiss. That means it's good.

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>>34802222
>mfw wonder-nines see this
HOW WILL THEY EVER RECOVER?

>>34803908
>Sigs
>made by Switzerland

Sig's haven't been made by the Swiss in a long time.

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>>34803908
SIG USA is so far removed from SIG Sauer, which is so far removed from SIG, that I imagine most consumers don't even know SIG is Swiss.

>>34803711
>mfw should of got xd

Then you'll get a gun that locks up, has the sights fall off, guide rod break and all for nothing.

Get a Glock.

>>34803840
They really did a good job covering this event.

Sweet! Looks like I'm getting a M17(sans manual safety) After mailing mine in in a few weeks.

>>34803558
>>Not smashing your possessions with hammers because you love and hate them.

>>34802091
I've started to learn fools are the only ones who buy anything at launch or preorder
>1st generation guns have a massive recall rate, see Glock Gen 4, SIG MCX, etc
>Video games all require week one patches to be playable, half of them ship without promised content
>Most recent movies have sucked, sadly enough about 90% of the ones that are good are superhero ones and thats about it
>Electronics have a bad habit of coming with compromising design flaws if not outright dangerous lapses in QC
Frankly quality control has absolutely gone down the shitter, everyone seems to live by the philosophy that "lol we'll make back our investment and then some with batch one and fix them later"

>>34801995
If the gun can fire from being struck in the back with a mallet then the trigger may not be the source of the problem at all. It's just straight up unsafe with nothing preventing the striker from going forward.

>>34804038
lts partially the trigger, partially the striker/sear assembly.

>>34803840

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Holy fuck now it's saying unsupported file

>>34804086
I would say that you should just upload it to some other host and let someone more capable manage transcoding it to Webm, but you could also just google "transcode video file to webm" and get the information you need.

>>34804118
Ah! gotcha

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>MFW when I EDC a series 70 Colt

>>34804137
https://catbox.moe/

>>34804086
upload it to youtube

>>34804144
ultimately, a 1911 with a hammer locked to the rear by a manual safety is going to be harder to set off than a P320. It is possible to make the firing pin move, and there is no FPB on the series 70, but it's not as unsafe as what we're seeing with the 320.

>>34803510
I got one the other day! I'm still looking for a holster for it...

I'll make sure not to hit my M17 with a hammer.

https://files.catbox.moe/syp8y7.webm

>>34803756
He killed himself.

>>34801995
SAA tier. No keeping a round on the chamber on this one.

Sig is the new Taurus

>>34804269
Nice, you didn't die.

https://files.catbox.moe/lgow5m.webm

>>34803708
>anti-trump version
repulsive

>>34804288
>>34804269
Status: Delivered. Well done, guy.

>>34804288
and with dubs
this is a good thread.

>final day before the pistol ban in commiefornia
>bought a VP9 over P320 and Glock 19 Gen 4
How much did I fuck up /k/?

>>34804269
>>34804288
11/10, man. You done did good.

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>>34804288
Nice

>>34804314
Thanks! And thanks to the anon for that site to convert

>>34804269
>>34804288
noice

>>34804324
NP mate. Catbox is a true hero of the chans.

>>34804288
>>34804269

Why did you do this?

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>>34804324
>>34803756
Thank you hammering the hammer for those that can't experience such joys

>>34804397
To prove that that a hundred year old cheapass revolver is safer than the pistol of choice of the United States Army >>34802221

>>34803941
Why does it matter? SIG has been irrelevant since forever.

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>>34804370
Yeah. Oh while I'm here can anyone tell me if this model is for smokeless or blackpowder?

>>34804408
Why did you feel the need to prove that? Are Iver Johnson's also in the running for the US Army pistol contract?

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>>34804421

>>34804421
Markings?
>>34804428
We need to send this revolutionary tech to Sig.

>>34804428
no but SIG did, and won, which is retarded, because it's a modern firearm and we've had safe pistols for 100 years.

>>34804428
Are you being deliberately obtuse, or are you just stupid?

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>>34804448
9862

>>34804478
I'm trying to be logical. If the Iver Johnson revolver is irrelevant, then showing one's drop safeness is also irrelevant.

>>34804479
If the owl on the grips faces backwards and down towards the grip its a 3rd model. 3rd models are safe for smokeless

>>34804500
You're on /k/, dipship. People shoot their semen into their guns here. People insert their guns into their orifices here. Hitting a loaded iver johnson and uploading a webm for (You)s is positively vanilla compared to the antics of this place.

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>>34804509

>>34804269
>https://files.catbox.moe/syp8y7.webm
SIG = CHINEESE DOLLAR STORE RIP OFF

>>34804291
>anti-trump version
how?

Is this issue present on the manual safety versions?

>>34804521
Are you saying that you want to compare whether an Iver Johnson or P320 fits into your anus better?

>>34804556
Please dude...Don't make test that with mine as well, I've already gave you the damn videos...

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>>34801995
Welp, this is really [spoiler]hammering[/spoiler] another nail in Sig's coffin!

>>34804528
Yeah its a 3rd or at least has the grips from one. Should also have a coiled mainspring and 4 pins under the cylinder. I counted 4 pins so you should be good.

>>34804556
No, dipshit, I can do that by eye. Obviously the longer barrel and greater girth due to the slide means the P320 is better for anal stimulation than an Iver Johnson revolver. Although the hemispherical front sight on the Iver Johnson would be more gentle on sensitive tissues.

>>34804576
Thanks! Yep it has a coil spring.

>>34802222
>7 round single stack .45
>A viable modern sidearm
Fuck off with your nostalgia trip. With modern combat and the proliferation of higher capacity semi-autos volume of fire is king. Even the fucking m9 is superior just because of the round capacity.

>>34802222
Eh, you know there has been quite a bit of advancement in 9MM 1911's

https://youtu.be/AmgehLkma_8
REP IN RIP SIG, WILL NEBER FORGED :DDD

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>>34803744
I wish this wasn't true but I own an MCX. Two trips back to the factory and one recall I'm putting off because I don't shoot .300 and it's actually working.

>tfw you don't perform recalls because they finally got your gun working before the recall

Remember 320 owners, there is no guarantee the hastily rolled out fix won't fuck up unintended things. Sig clearly doesn't over engineer things, or test thoroughly. No sign they are starting now.

>>34801995
this guy went to RIT for mechanical engineering

Everyone makes that fucking hammer in the materials class lmao

>>34804004
The first video game I ever bought day one was MGSV. I learned my lesson.

>>34804745
pretty sure he says it is a brownells hammer bro

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>>34804288
>https://files.catbox.moe/lgow5m.webm
Really not best to encode from an already compressed file, but here it is.

>>34803317
My grandmother might actually have one

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>>34802122
I've seen a few drop test vids and it was cool to see another, but watching this one I just couldn't get past the way this guy holds the pistol that way. It just looks so smug and ridiculous I was cracking up, is it just me or does he look pretty stupid standing there like that?

>>34804638
>I need to recklessly spray hundreds of rounds because I don't know how to aim

>>34802696
I personally don't care much for US cars, but most quality, recall, lying and bribery, and safety issues have been on Japanese and German cars in the last decade.

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>>34804786
Ah thanks! I should have just asked someone when I couldn't up load it...but whatever I got the test done and I hammered the hammer. Now to post this shit everywhere and enjoy the fruit of my labor!

>>34804823
I don't think the way you're hammering it is right though; you were hammering the hammer back instead of forwards. Obviously the correct motion is different than on a striker fired pistol.

>>34804839
Yeah... the first whack though I think was right on, but it moved it and I said fuck it i'll just keep wacking.

>>34804854
>fuck it I'll just keep wacking
So /k/ it hurts

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>>34801995

>>34804804
>accuracyfags
In modern combat, the guy carefully lining up his shots will lose to the guys dumping rounds in his general direction. Odds are one will hit and disable him anyway, and even if they don't the stress from having rounds passing inches from his skull will throw off the concentration of all but the most hardened soldiers.

>recklessly
Anything that doesn't risk friendly fire is fair game. Training hundreds of thousands of soldiers to sniper levels of precision is simply not worth the time when volume of fire will more than make up for it. The US military spends over $600 Billion a year, we can afford our soldiers missing with 25 cent bullets.

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>army picks the sig because of its reliability and drop test safe
>turns out it can be fucking defeated and shoot itself when dropped a certain way or hit on the fucking hammer with a hammer
>some anon has a 121 year old design Iver Johnson revolver decides to do the same tests because it was advertised as "hammer the hammer" safe
>he drops the revolver, and it hits the ground at the same angle as the sig needs to discharge
>doesn't fire
>hammers the hammer, a bunch of times even
>doesn't fire
I'm going to die, our military is so fucking stupid

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>>34804944
Best part is I never even shot the damn thing. I literally found it and cleaned the surface rust off and made sure it works. That was the only serious thing I've done with the pistol thus far...

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>>34803665
>>34803691
>>34803716
>>34803756

>>34804914
>>34804786
>>34802221
not even SigIDF, but that's comparing a cocked P320 with an uncocked Iver Johnson. The revolver only solves the problem of "how do I make the firing pin rest directly on the primer when not in use", not "how do I make the trigger not pull when dropped".
Sig needs to get on that shit ASAP, but at the same time please load an Iver Johnson, cock it, and then hammer the hammer or drop it.

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>>34802221
>mfw Sig makes hammerless pistols that are less safe than 100+ year old revolvers.
>mfw the US Army was totally ok with this.

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>>34804977

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>>34804786

I can see this webm being used in the gunsmithing threads.

>>34802177
Except that M9 was fucking brilliant until they went through a few decades of being molested by PFC Numbnuts. Honestly, if I were in charge of procurement I'd have just replaced the existing inventory with M9A3's.

>>34803510
PCR is sexy but carry guns need lights

>>34804544
check description

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>>34802696
>outsourced to curry lands
>implying Sig doesn't do this

P O O

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>>34805030
You shouldn't have challenged me buster brown skin...
https://files.catbox.moe/hc18wx.webm

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>>34805204
>https://files.catbox.moe/hc18wx.webm

Holy shit, he actually did it! The madman!

>>34805204
>resting on your outside arch that much
Not good for you lad, try to keep your feet straight.

>>34805215
Right i'll try for you sempai

>>34805225
It'll keep your feet from going flat and avoid foot pain.

>>34805242
Right

>>34804694
>not splicing in Iver Johnson anon' s footage

https://www.sigsauer.com/press-releases/sig-sauer-issues-voluntary-upgrade-p320-pistol/

>>34804718
They didn't even issue a recall, just a 'free upgrade'

>>34805247
Thats what I thought! I put my trust in a gun I have no idea how long it's been around for! Well if anyone can by all means use my content for a vid.

>>34805253
Which those of us who own P320's will take advantage of, of course. Sucks that it's a problem in the first place, but I'll take my free upgrade to near-M17 spec please and thank you.

>>34805204
MADMAN!

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You know... I'm ACTUALLY considering using this thing from now on. I just need to find more smokeless ammo for it though... (32 s&w short)

>>34805321
Don't, .32 S&W has about the same stopping power as a .22 and you only get 5 of them.

They always have some online for pretty cheap though

>>34805275
I'm not going to be one to tell a man what to do with his money but you are probably better served just cashing in and buying something else until they figure this out, I don't think a trigger upgrade is going to fix this, not the first time around anyway

>>34805329
Right. I guess it's just a nice addition to my collection.

>>34805321
Shoulder holster. Black powder. DO IT.

>>34805340
They already have the way to fix it. Read the thread sir.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/08/jeremy-s/mechanics-behind-sig-p320-drop-safety-failures/

>>34805169
India is pretty much the biggest source of MIM parts in most industries.
Any gun you have with MIM parts, almost certainly had those parts made in India.

>>34805354
It's not black powder it's smokeless. But as>>34805329 said it's really not that useful of a gun compared to anything else I have.

>>34804288
Fucking SIG BTFO now and forever.

>>34804923
A handgun is a short range weapon. You should be able to fire accurately by natural point of aim.
>>34804923
>recklessly
What about civilian gunfights? Cops use these pistols too.

>>34805370
Oh, my mistake. That is a bummer. At least you have a wheelgun you can toss around loaded to scare the shit out of your friends and ROs!

>>34805272
I edited the video before your .webm
>>34805247
See above

>>34805381
Well the Iver IS the quintessential poor man's Saturday night special. Ive heard the saying "it shoots at card table ranges" but this model has the longer barrel so Idk.

>>34805405
So, you can kill the dirty cheat at the card game across from yours?

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>>34805355
>own almost entirely rugers and they make most castings in my state

>>34805411
Well... Yeah. That's what these guns were for! Small calibre, small gun, ease of concealment. Say some ruffian was trying to pick a fight you whip it out put the barrel in his gut and fire.

>>34805321
From my experience in Fallout 3, don't.

>>34802221
ill have my $6 gun now pls

>>34805533
>implying they will ever make a gun that cheap ever agian.

>>34802177
They should contract kel-tec :^)

>>34802091
LiPo/LiFe batteries that are required for the energy density needed to power such devices will explode/catch fire from simply piercing the casing of the battery. This is true of every single make and model of smart phone powered by one. They go off like godamn thermite, and they're stuffed inside thin plastic/shit aluminium casings, which people stuff in their pockets and promptly bends.

Its pretty much inevitable, nothing to do with QC.

>>34805533
Will you exchange 24 hours of labor for it?

>>34805571
>you can buy a Hi Point or a Ring of Fire gun for that amount if we scale it to modern minimum wage
Huh, things really don't change much

>>34804794

it's obviously top tier operator shit you wouldn't understand

>>34804757
lol, I am a cheap motherfucker so I almost never day 1 a game, but I have gotten some good deals on day 1 that let me buy without caring, last time I day one'ed something was borderlands 2, and that was because I got it for 30$, them fucking greenman promos that stack.

>>34802091
I hate being fair to apple, but when a woman who is a land whale put on pants 5 sizes to small its hard to fault apple for not making the phone robust enough to stand up to that pressure. stop wearing skin tight clothing.

>>34801995

TO THE GOOD OLD DAYS

>>34805610
>he has to compensate for operating an unreliability gun
Wew lad

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>>34803650
Anon, move very slowly so it doesn't notice you. Stay /k/alm and if it does see you make an offhand remark about having to go take a dump. It won't want to come with you. Crawl out the window. Burn down the house quickly. Warn first responders there is a Sig inside and to bring artillery. Sift through the asses to confirm polymer death. If steel barrel is not located in the ashes, assume it escaped. Change your name and move in to a residence that is not in your name, like a friend. You'll have to move a lot and work under the table for now on. Stay off the internet.

>>34804575
Fucking Carlos!

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>>34802435
Almost there...

>>34805204
Holy fuck

Fucking CALLED

>>34802265
>Think I'm exaggerating? Remember what happened to Smith and Wesson?
>implying the modern consumerist culture of America have any integrity left these days

Remember when people compared the Buds and Cheaper Than Dirt fiascos to S&W, claiming that gun owners will never let them recover?

>>34802091
Because the target consummers of all those products are mindless retards

>>34802981

Maybe normally, but you're underestimating how much experience the flips have with manufacturing 1911s specifically.

RIA is cheap, and obviously not real great on the fit-and-finish end of things, but they work VERY well, especially on heavy cartridges like .45 and 10mm. The 9mms apparently have had some cycling problems, though.

Golden thread. SIG btfo and Iver "its hammer time" Johnson anon saves the day.

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>>34802222

>>34805726
Holy fuck that's the ugliest gun I've ever seen

>>34805843
How can we Archived this? I want to save my display of tryumph!

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>>34805887
Fear not, for I have documented the happenings.

>>34802793
You some kind of idiot, this is a DOD thing. Why don't you make a petition to make submarines safe also while your at it.

>>34805919
I give you my blessing anon.

>>34804004
>superhero movies
>good
Fucking kill yourself.

>>34802696
Americans can't make quality things cheaply enough to compete with slave labor

>>34802222
Go to bed gramps

Captcha: CALLE MEDICAL

>>34805169
POO IN IT

If "my gun shouldn't go off when MY CLUMSY ASS DROPS IT ON THE FUCKING GROUND", then you shouldn't own guns.

>>34801995
The way Sig is reacting and the way Glockfags are reacting just makes me want to get an M&P instead.

>>34806110
>rewind to single action revolver times
>people who actually were under a threat of getting shot on a regular basis and used guns to put food on the table and survive carried hammer down on empty chamber
>fast forward to present day, a neckbeard on /k/ pretending drop safety is unnecessary

But I mean yeah, it's pretty hard to drop the gun on a hard surface when it never leaves your greasy bedsheets in the basement.

>>34806138
*physically cringes* *pukes* mp is for fuds.

>>34802696
quality control checks cut into cheeto stuffing time

>>34806138
why not the M&P is better than either of those anyway

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>>34801995
TO THE GOOD OLD DAYS

>>34806238
Ok mister Soylentworks glock fag.

>>34802265
>Remember what happened to Smith and Wesson?
or firestone or ford or any number of baby seat makers

a product recall is not a death knell for a company, dumb fuck.

>>34806353
>product recall

Wow, rude! It's a voluntary trigger upgrade.
You should be grateful Sig offers to improve your gun for free.

>>34806110
>Police! Drop your weapon!

>>34805405
>HAMMER THE HAMMER!
At least the Iver Johnson doesn't go off randomly.

Someone please shop a gif of Jamie Lee Curtis dropping a 320 down a flight of stairs.

>>34804757
What was wrong with mgs5? Multiplayer wasn't day one but buying a metal gear game for multiplayer is like buying a dildo to hammer nails

>>34805919
doing god's work, anon

>>34805618
it has nothing to do with weight, the aluminium used in the iphone 6 was low quality shit and led to its bending, once apple used a higher quality metal in the 6s the problem went away

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>>34805204
MAD LAD

>>34804786
dumbass, the hammer isn't cocked.
Cock the hammer then drop it or bang it with a hammer.

>>34805204
Well there goes any Sig merit left.

>>34806522
rtft
>>34805204

>>34805726
>should have been aborted

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>>34802435
Whats going on here bud?

>swiss "engineering"

I WISH I COULD FIND SOME WAY

>>34802641
Rip

>>34805275
Cuck

>>34805204
THE

ABSOLUTE

MADMAN!

>>34805092
>PFC Numbnuts
>Implying it wasn't LT Dingle Berry and his CO CPT Chucklefuck wrecking the guns by never cleaning them and letting them rust shut over 3 months.

>/k/ shitposting about SIG, as usual
>Some shitposting faggot brings up a 100 y/o design because he's a kool kid
>Some fucking anon just happens to be shitposting at like 1 in the morning and realizes he has said gun
>Literally runs the risk of getting himself shot just to shitpost
>Multiple times
>Everyone in the thread laughs and calls him a glorious winged faggot

I fucking love you, /k/

>>34802091
There are so many products released that statistically some of them are bound to have problems. It is inevitable.
QC is meant to ensure the problems are as minor as possible but they can't catch everything.

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>>34802222
Nice quads

>>34807446
I don't thinks those are bad QC, bad QC would be if those problems where only found in certain lemons, and the number of lemons per good unit were high, this is bad design, caused by products being rushed to market.

>>34805275
oh man lucky you looks like you'll join the WARRIOR CLUB

>>34803744
>Everything SIG USA has made has been a failure

I suspect this guy is german. Sig is shit everywhere you go.

>>34805030
both is important i didn't even knew they made guns today without securing the firing pin from accidental tap on the hammer. wtf?? also the dropping thing i never for the life of me could imagine what was he purpose of the grip safety but looks like a good way to prevent drop fires.

>>34807521
>Sig is shit everywhere you go.
bullcrap the best gun i ever shot was a sig, it was perfect in weight distribution accuracy smoothness and ergos. glock felt like a piece of crap in my hands compared to it and the trigger pull on the glock still gives me nightmares.

>>34804794

That dude looks like a tool

>>34807607
btw it was either a P226 or a 2022 i don't remember exactly i shot it at a range.

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>>34807607
> trigger pull on the glock still gives me nightmares
Man you are a pussy.

>>34803751
>Engineering complex machines is not necessarily iterative. If that were true, why do cars still get recalled?
>>Engineering complex machines is not necessarily iterative.
>>>Engineering complex machines
>>>>Complex
except.
They aren't that complex. any illeterit fuck wit with an internet connection can learn to take the whole thing apart to basic components and put it back together perfectly in a day.

i know this because i am an illiterate fuckwit with an internet connection and i have used said internet connection to learn how to tear apart my guns and put them back together.

>>34807729
Field stripping a gun and designing, machining, and engineering are completely different.

>>34807010
>implying

>>34802222
Observed

>>34802148
^ This
Polymer receivers costs about about $3 to produce. That will give you and idea of the profit margin on plastic guns.

A friend owns a transmission shop. I was talking to him one day and he was replacing some thrust washers. They were plastic. I asked him why.
>he said if you could save 25 cents on a million thrust washers, that would be alot of money.

>>34802222
Muh niggah.

>>34805726
That's some retarded safety. It's like they wanted to merge 1911's hand grip safety with a normal one, and ended having a clusterfuck of what the fuck are you fucking doing.

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I thought Bruce Gray said all of this was BS?

>>34809225
kek

>>34802177

The M9 was literally fucked by the .mil

DOD refused to let Beretta update the TDP for Gen2/Gen3 locking blocks, frame upgrades, and then aftermarket magazines decades before the M9A3.

>>34809254
I'm just sad that I'll never see upgraded M9A2s

>>34805092
This.

How fucking stupid to say "we wore out our last batch of duty weapons after putting them through sandbox torture like no sidearm has ever experienced before. They performed damn near flawlessly even with use, abuse, and shitty maintenance. So...let's go find something else now..."

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>>34805533
This is as close as you're gonna get in this day and age

>>34802091

People keep buying their shit and as a result the overall motivation or dedication to quality is low.

>>34802091
B8/8 made me reply

>>34804428
Because he wants attention

>>34810055
Because it's an object lesson in how trivial it should be to make a gun drop safe against blows to the rear of the action.

>Spend my life shitting on Sig and especially the 320 for being a janky solution for a striker fired polymer handgun
>End up being right all along
Feels good man. They're a shit company that craps out average designs with average qc that sell at above average prices.

>>34810065
You still don't seem to grasp that different designs require that drop safety be approached differently, and involve trade-offs.

>>34807729
Another faggot no-nothing trip. Into the filter with you. Scat!

>>34810236
are you retarded? are you suffering from brain damage?

>>34805694
>sift through the asses

>>34805621
no, I think Op is singing that Cher song

>>34810317
Not an argument

>>34803948
literally what?
you're beyond full of shit, none of those ever happen.

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>>34805042

>the army adopted equipment for quality and reliability

oh, you sweet, innocent child. you are too pure for this cold, cruel world.

>>34806511
its more complicated than that.

the bending pressure you have to put it under was more than any normal use would ever see, I mean who the fuck trys to break their phones by bending them? some women and men put on pants that do not fit and subjected the phone to substantial pressure, thats how this shit started.

apple for its part I don't believe ever changed materials they used to make the phone, but in an effort to make it thinner (also cheaper) took out some of the supporting ribs which allowed it to be bent when in someone fucking dilutionals pants.

>>34804276
SAA can be fired with one hand without one in the chamber, so they're not really in the same tier.

>>34810962
Except it actually is a legitimate argument when a modern day firearms manufacture makes a pistol that doesn't include a design that has been in existence for over 100 years, and then said firearm company knew about the failure for close to 8 months and did nothing about it. It speaks even louder when when the company submits the same version of the pistol for the military trials, and it doesn't have any of the issues associated with the civilian version. That lets any person with an ounce of brain matter in their skull know, that the company knew about the problem, and did nothing about it until some one got hurt....which is exactly what happened.

>>34813579
Yes hello welcome to modern manufacturing. There's a lethal problem, but fixing it would cost more than settling out of court? Fuck the victims then, we're not fixing it.