AK74M or M16?

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>>34796274
M16
The issues you hear about the M16 where worked out in the early models
The AK, while reliable, is not as reliable as myth states, besides the larger bullet with an AK the M16s range and recoil makes far better imo.

>>34796274
plenty of resarch on yuutobe
paul harrol
hickok 45
guy from the history channel
shoo go play

>>34796305
>>34796314
That's what I was thinking, the M16 was built for modern war whilst the AK was built for basic us, less jamming and such, thanks for the replies guys, always good to see /k/s response.

>>34796274
AK74M is better than M16A3 in almost everything from accuracy to caliber.

>>34796322
>the M16 was built for modern war whilst the AK was built for basic us
>AK74M in service since 1993

>>34796328
Any statistics to prove this?

Low effort bait, but whatever, here we go.

Both of them pretty much accomplish the same thing, time and history has proven that both rifles are rather good, some drawbacks to both, some advantages to both.

One is particularly appealing to conscript armies because conscripts are largely dumb motherfuckers who manage to accomplish all kinds of damage and retarded shit, the AK is hardy and if something fucks up (which does happen, don't buy into the memes), fixing it is pretty easy, and usually pretty fast.

The other is particularly appealing to more professional armies who can afford it, the AR boasts a spectacular potential for precision and good modularity, contrary to urban legend, it actually handles and resists dirt and fouling rather well.

There will never be a situation where someone will say to themselves "Oh no, this wouldn't have happened if I had gone with the other rifle!", moreso anyone saying this will probably never be right.

>>34796359
No, because this is a shitposting thread.

>>34796361
I agree with that, different scenarios for different guns, though you do make it sound like the M16 is a more professional gun and I suppose that's what I was getting at.

>>34796366
Want facts not memes, plrease leave, bud.

>>34796380
>"Want facts, not memes friendo buddy anon"
>Comes to the least factual most meme-y weapons board on the entire internet

Oh boy

>>34796425
>least factual
arfcom

>>34796359
5.45>5.56
AK74M have better accuracy due to lower recoil

>>34796438
what

>>34796448
AK74M have better accuracy due to lower recoil

>>34796425
Please leave.

>>34796425
>>34796438
>>34796469

kill yourselves you summerfaggots

>>34796438
A gun can't be completely reviewed just on it's recoil.

>>34796481
That's not how this works, you faggot. You have no control here.

>>34796513
Calm down kid, this isn't the Coliseum, fuck off.

>>34796438

Lower recoil also means a lower power cartridge.

>He can't control his rifle
>He thinks people shoot on full retard all the time

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>>34796544

>>34796469
I hope to god you're trolling and I've just fallen for bait.

>>34796565
Good point, I'm new here and I don't really know if Full Auto is even used a lot during battles, surely a higher power cartridge causes longer range and a higher accuracy on semi?

>>34796600
Correct. A higher power cartridge will almost always be more accurate to longer ranges due to higher velocities and bullet weights. If less recoil made a gun more accurate then .22lr would be a snipers round of choice.

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Jesus Christ this entire thread


Also those guns are outdated counterparts, any conclusion where one is better than the other is irrelevant nit pickery.

>>34796600

In combat, typically the only gun thats firing on full auto is the belt fed machine gun.

And yes a higher power cartridge is going to have a longer effective range but an infantryman doesn't need that for the average range in which he engages the enemy. That's why the military switched from 7.62x51 to 5.56x45 because 7.62 was unnecessary at the average combat distance. You carry less ammo and the recoil is harsher on a 7.62 compared to a 5.56.

>>34796617
I see, yeah that does make a lot of sence.
>>34796641
Yeah just a little debate with my mate.
>>34796683
Seems like a fair choice, 7.62 is a bit over kill.

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>>34796274
>TFW you're the shitlord who makes AK vs AR threads but you're tired of getting shitposted into the corner so you come up with a clever plan

>>34796274

>posts thread discussing two excellent weapon platforms with pretty fucking similar intermediate cartridge
>rather than discussing the merits and drawbacks of both weapon system or arguing why one manufacturer is better than another
>summerfags make retarded arguments and thread descends into poor arguments/shitposting

Both the AKM/Kalash and the AR platform are good. They both come in a variety of calibers and configurations. They have different, yet good designs. Both platforms have shit manufactures (IO, CAI, $350 Delton/Bear Creek) and good manufactures (Molot, Stag, Colt, Czech VZ, Romanian WASR). We could be discussing the differences in ballistic qualities for different cartridges, talking about what commercially available ammo is good for certain platforms, weapon design, pricing/availability of certain AK/AR rifles, how available aftermarket attachments/parts, certain loads that work well with our rifle's specs, ect. But whatever, my dude.

>inb4 VZs aren't AKs
They're pretty darn close and they're pretty much the only Leaf alternative to AKs aside from SKS. Also, VZs are dank.

>>34796815
Vz uses a short stroke gas piston like a sks, so no they are not like aks at all.

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>>34796815
>inb4 VZs aren't AKs
>They're pretty darn close
what the hell are you smoking? they're nothing alike
that's like saying a cetme and fal are pretty darn close because they both shoot 308

>>34796815
Apart from the little dig there thanks for the post, I see what you mean, as I said I'm new here and I really don't know how things work lol, try to put up with me.

>>34796856
>>34796828

Probably worded it wrong. I guess I was trying to make the point that VZs are available to many Leafs, use 7.62x39, and have that glorious commie aesthetic to them (beaver barf furniture and curved mags). But I am aware that it uses a short-stroke gas piston, is striker fired, and is an original Czech design that is very different to Kalash pattern rifles.

>>34796946
I guess it's easy to misinterpret. I guess I get what you were trying to say.

>>34796274
the m16 does more damage but the al74m lets you run faster with it selected.

>>34797016
correct this is why I always hold a knife while doing my morning jogs

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>>34796274
Both kalashnikov-series rifles and armalite rifles have their pros and cons. Smart shooters love both of them.

AR-15/M16:
>More accurate, and modern variants often have free-floated barrels. Mounting optics is easier as well.
>Lighter, makes more use of aluminum alloys rather than steel
>More versatile and slightly easier for armorers to repair. Since the upper and lower receivers are two separate pieces (unlike the ak), swapping things out is much faster. Also the barrel on the AR is WAY easier to replace.
>softer recoiling, due to the DI gas system

AK47/AK74:
>more durable. It's is extremely difficult for the average conscript to break one, whereas the AR can be put out of action with a bent buffer tube.
>more reliable, the long-stroke piston keeps more gas and debris out of the action, which results in much longer timespans between cleaning and maintenance.
>Better stock. Since the AK has the recoil spring inside the receiver, a folding stock can be issued.
>cheaper to produce. While this isn't true here in the U.S, military factories can spit this out for incredibly small amounts of money. In some parts of the world they can be had for the equivalent of under $200.

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>>34796361

This. M16a4 is a very reliable gun under equal conditions and will perform just as well. The M16s gripes came from the very early model, using the wrong ammunition, and not having a cleaning kit. Even the AK has to be cleaned. They are comparable, there just isn't a definite best.

The ak74 is newer than the m16, what you're thinking of is the ak47/AKM.

Ak74 (5.45x39) shoots a smaller round than both but only very slightly smaller than the M16 (5.56x45). AKM shoots 7.62x39. Though the 762 has greater energy than either. The 556, depending on ammunition used (normally m193 type), is well known for hydrostatic shock and fragmenting at close range dropping people faster because of it. Pic is 5.56 wound at close range. I don't know about the 5.45x39 as well but have heard that it tumbles when it hits making large wounds more reliably than the 5.56x45 fragments.

AK47 > AK74 or M16.

3.5 line best calibre.

>>34796544
>>34796513
>>34796488
>>34796425
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