Ultimate 9mm battle

>>34796108
I've got a P30. It's cool. Also, I didn't read any of that shit.

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bump. I hope this thread ends up being interesting and not a shitshow

>>34796108
>para
>no cz
You failed before you started.

(anecdotal evidence of why my favorite pistol is the best one from the list)

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>>34796108
bought this as my first handgun. tell me why it's great. tell me why it's shit.

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>>34796123
>mfw the thread flies off the rails in twenty posts

>>34796147
[Stuff fudds at my range said about why your favorite handgun suck]

>>34796108
glock17 gen2 wins handsdown.
followed by P99 gen1 for 2nd
and M9/92FS in 3rd

Would like to hear some input on one of them Lionheart9's one day.....

>>34796161
You bought in to the meme gun... not that its bad at all...just over rated

>>34796108
they're all wonder nines there purpose is to be reliable, shoot 9mm, and be somewhat comfy to use. unless they are notably unsafe. they are all functionally the same with minor deviations in qualities: weight, price, capacity, ergonomics, and inherit accuracy.
id would develop a hundred point score with 20 points in each category

for example
m&p gen 1 15 for ergonomics (bad trigger but overall comfy gun), 18 for weight, 17 capacity, 18 for price, 16 for accuracy giving it a total score of 84. or a B

A glock 19, 17 for ergonomics, 18 for weight, 16 for capacity, 14 for price, 18 for accuracy. for a score of 85 or a B

>>34796161
they're nice guns that people on /k/ will get angry about.

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Beretta 92

Reliability ***** Open Slide + Well Machined
Durability **** Disdain for polymers
Quality **** Brunition finish is sexy
Trigger ** DA/SA, mushy
Ergonomics **** What are you, a manlet?
Accessories *** It's not a Glock
Mag Quality **** It's fine, no complaints

Notable Feature: A E S T H E T I C, Made in the USA

CZ, Beretta and Glock. That's all I see here in the Europe. And in the end I see no drastic differences between them.

>>34796250
it's 4chan, people will get angry about anything.

Here are the 9mm Pistols I personally own and shoot, in order of preference:

CZ 75B with aftermarket modifications
HK USP9c LEM
JO Arms Kareen MKI refurb
CZ 83 (9mm Browning is also 9mm)
Zastava M88a (Shot to shit)
SCCY CPX-2 (the only objectively junk gun I own currently)

>>34796252
>open = reliable
ishygdbt

>>34796295
Literally cannot stove pipe. What the fuck are you on about you autist.

P-09 is GOAT

>>34796168
oh shit, forgot to contribute.

I've only shot USP9, P30, Springfield XD and Beretta M9.

I loved the HK's, the P30's ergos pulled it ahead of the USP. No FTF or FTE and I was able to get decent groupings at 25yds. Trigger on USP was a crisp but had long reset, P30's was the same, but better if that makes sense
The Springfield XD was okay all around, not bad not good. 6/10 all catagories. GRIP ZONE
Beretta 92FS I shot when I in the Navy, only ever had one FTE and that pistol was as old as I was and had been dropped, fucked with by shitty armorers, etc. If you get a new one, and treat it with even minimal care, it'll be fine. Trigger had clean break with decent reset. Never had any ergo issues, the slide safety is fine, get over it.

I'm trying to types this out quickly at work sorry of it's a mess.

Anyone that has shot any of these and a Jericho will pick the Jericho.

>>34796303
>stove piping is literally the only malfunction a pistol can have
(you)

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>>34796303
>>34796295
guys this is a good feels thread only

>>34796311
I sold my jericho to a guy that kept talking about wanting to get a 92fs. I think I saved him a lot of trouble.

Eventually I will get another one, once more surplus rail-free units come into the market.

>>34796363
If more of those rail free frame safeties show up I'm buying three.

OP here. I forgot to add 2 other points between quality and trigger:

>Accuracy
>Design

I never shot handguns extensively but here's my review for the few I did

CZ-75 SP-01
>Reliability ****
>Durability ***** All metal construction, used everywhere
>Quality ****
>Accuracy **** Follow up shots easy
>Design **** Somewhat thin serrations
>Trigger ***
>Ergonomics *** Manlet hands
>Accessories N/A (don't know)
>Magazine quality ****
>Notable features Most copied handgun in the world

Glock 17
>Reliability ***** (shot everything)
>Durability **** Plastic guide rod, thin metal
>Quality *** Not cheap but not noteworthy
>Accuracy ****Follow up shots easy but greater recoil
>Design *** Stupid simple, slide release too flush, mags don't drop free
>Trigger **** Preferred to DA/SA
>Ergonomics ****
>Accessories ***** The king
>Magazine quality ****
>Notable feature Easy to shot and extremely reliable

>>34796384
>Glock 17
>mags don't drop free
How beat to shit and mangled was the Glock you shot?

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>>34796108

nobody is going to type all that stuff for this website where the threads disappear in 3 hours

also you forgot

browning hi power
ruger sr9c 9e american
beretta makes some polymer 9s
HIPOINT
2 brands i'll only mention by 1 letter - b & t

>>34796487
>GUN GIRLS
>TIM FARRELL

WEW

Contributing my modest "collection"

P320
>Reliability ***** I purposefully didn't clean or lube mine for ~1200 rounds of Tula steel case, not a single malfunction
>Durability **** Finish is still great, no wear or nicks. Polymer frame feels a bit flimsy
>Quality *** Overall good, but the barrel fitment leaves a huge gap at the bottom of the barrel and a tiny one at the top, leading to wear on the barrel finish.
>Trigger **** It's no 1911 trigger, but for a striker gun, it's one of the best I've tried next to the PPQ and VP9
>Ergos *** Takedown lever rubs on my thumb during recoil, leading to discomfort. Otherwise, feels natural in the hands
>Accessories *** Replacement grips and aftermarket are good, grips in short supply tho
>Mag quality **** Thick steel, survived many drops onto hard ground during reload drills.
>Notable feature: apparently not drop safe, which is concerning.

CZ SP-01 Tactical (suppressor ready version)
>Reliability ***** No malfunctions so far, all steel case ammo
>Durability **** Finish is already wearing a bit on the barrel, polycoat is holding up very well
>Quality **** Finish wear is annoying, but fitment and machining are great
>Trigger ***** When dry firing, the DA pull is heavy, when firing, it feels very close to the SA pull, which is excellent imo. The SA has a rolling break instead of a solid wall, which I prefer and shoot more accurately.
>Ergos **** Rubber grip is very...grippy, molded to fit most hands, high grip with beaver tail, slide release lever can dig into my support hand thumb a bit.
>Accessories *** Haven't bought or looked into any so far, so I don't know
>Mag quality *** Finish is wearing a bit prematurely, followers tilt downwards when loading on occasion, but no mag induced malfunctions so far.
>Notable feature: Full length internal rails. Most accurate handgun I've fired.

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>>34796363
>>34796375
I have a turk-made Jericho clone that I got new for $350 and i swear if an actual Jericho is an upgrade to this I'm going to buy one as well. This thing is nicer than most $800+ handguns I've shot .

>>34796596
>>34796596
I would buy one of the tristars if I wasn't so autistic about parts availability. I haven't seen a real conclusive list showing what cz parts work in them.

>>34796596
I've shot one of the tri-star cz clones, the t-100 i think, which is a knockoff of the CZ-75 Compact. It was decent, same trigger set up as the jericho I sold, but didn't shoot to point of aim.

>>34796108
>no sphinx

fuck this will take too long I'll just list some five star 9mms
G17/19
P30
VP9
MK25

>>34796316
I've literally never had a malfunction in my M9 after putting 3000 rounds through it.

Only a few problems with using shit ammo

>>34796813
The open top design is known to cause issues in sandy environments from dust ingress. Wasn't really an issue until we started fighting multiple decade long wars in deserts.

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>>34796836

You mean the jams that happened because sand was getting into the shitty outsourced magazines the Army was using? The jams that stopped once they switched to a new vendor who actually followed Beretta's instructions?

Who could have foreseen that cut-rate components would lead to worse performance?

>>34796341
>tfw no gunz or Black wife

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>>34796642
I think they're zeroed at 50 yards because that's where my C-100 is point of aim.

>>34797913
The magazine issues are actually a separate cluster fuck.

>>34798513
The one I shot was like a half a foot low at 25 yards, so I think overall quality may vary from pistol to pistol. The owner also verified that it was not shooting to point of aim for him, so it was not just me.

>>34796207
>glock17 gen2 wins handsdown.
>followed by P99 gen1 for 2nd
>and M9/92FS in 3rd

Aww except they didn't. Army selected the p320 so soldiers could throw them behind enemy fortifications and still get a confirmed kill.

>>34796108
Beretta PX4 Storm full
>Reliability
**** Well Machined but doesn't like limp wristed faggots.
>Durability
**** Polymer frame of good quality however the guide rod feels flimsy
>Quality (QC, fitting, finish...)
***** Very nice finish and fit
>Trigger
*** DA/SA, reset is longer than I would like
>Ergonomics (try to be objective)
**** For large handed users very very nice however I would recommend adding talon grip tape.
>Accessories
*** Decent support for aftermarket accessories by Beretta including steel replacements for most parts and ability to change it for a decocker/safety to just a decocker.
>Magazine quality/durability
***** Very nice mags that are very cheap (almost always on sale on Beretta's website)
>Notable feature (you can add 2 sentences)
Rotating barrel for more linear recoil.

>>34796108
I don't know if it's corssing the line to competiton, but here's a review for my Gen 4 G34
Reliability: **** (minimum handloads won't cycle)
Durability: abstain (as I use it as a range toy, but probably pretty decent)
Quality: **** Slide to frame fit has play, but slide is very nicely machined and evenly finished
Trigger: ** (comes stock with (-) connector, not good but workable)
Ergonomics: **** Fits my hand very well with large beavertail backstrap, my sisters hand with the backstraps off - a bit blocky
Accessories: *****
Magazine quality: **** plastic mags with metal feed lips, replacement mags are cheap and plentiful

All in all great value for a do-it-all pistol. Not the best for any particular application but workable for most. Would definitely recommend IF you can work with the trigger (which works just fine for me)

>>34796271
>And in the end I see no drastic differences between them.

Most CZs and Berettas are hammer-fired, Glocks are not

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>>34796108
M&P9 2.0
>Reliability ****
Eats any kind of ammo, steel case included. Runs dry and dirty easily without accuracy reduction. Just don't help the slide home or it might not go into battery all the way.
>Durability ****
Made for cops and military, who typically abuse their sidearms. Steel insert in poly frame adds stability. Can take serious punishment, but will break if you purposely abuse it.
>Quality (QC, fitting, finish...) ***
Lower price point means only average fitting and finish, but QC is extremely constant. You get what you pay for.
>Trigger ***
Not good, not bad, just okay. Hinged trigger is hit-or-miss for people. Short and noticeable reset.
>Ergonomics *****
Fits well with hand and comes with backstraps for different sized hands. Grip angle often praised by casuals and pros alike. Excellent and agressive stippling make losing grip near impossible.
>Accessories ****
Works with nearly all M&P gen 1 holsters and accessories, which are Glock's close second in variety.
>Magazine quality/durability ***
Takes gen 1 mags. Mags are of normal quality and durability. 17 rounds flush fit. Higher cap mags available, but are often 3rd party with questionable reliabilty.
>Notable feature. Near total parts compatibility with the gen 1 guns. Comes in Black or FDE with with either a 5 or 4.25 inch slide and barrel at same price.

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Buy one of each and then feed them this.

>>34796108
>Must be fullsize
Fuck off, Im doing a compact because the brands uncommon.

Grand Power P11

>***
>****
>*****(best I've seen on a production pistol in this price range)
>*****
>****
>*
>****
>Best trigger, accuracy, and finish I've seen/felt on a production gun makes this a great range piece. Spotty reliability(100% when lubed with brass ammo) with poor ammo or when dry keeps it from being the best DA/SA gun on the market bar none.

>>34800711
Editing for clarity
>Reliability: * * * Seemingly can be trusted when kept wet and using brass ammo. Does not like light steel case and prone to malfunction when dry.
>Durability: * * * * Above average. No weak looking parts or points. Everything that should be metal is. Polymer has more metal inserts in it than most designs.
>Quality: * * * * * Beautiful fit/finish. Glass like finish on machined parts and a beautiful deep blue tennifer slide coating reminiscent of how I've heard early glocks being described. Some parts have even seemingly been radiused to give the gun a smoother feeling when manipulated.
>Trigger: * * * * * Best stock trigger I've ever felt. DA is smooth, long enough, and not too heavy. SA is very short, crisp, smooth, Has very little travel and Resets in a short and tactile fashion.
>Ergos: * * * * Comfortable enough gun. Only gets four stars though because it is slicker than it should be(grip and slide) and the slide release lever can be surprisingly sharp when new.
> Aftermarket: * It's a good thing the gun doesn't really "need" much, aftermarkets practically non existent.
> Mags: * * * * Steel, do their job well, and beautifully finished like the rest of the gun

Anybody take the plunge on the police trade-in 92S Bud's has? I have a 96A1 (lel, Short & Weak), and I'm kind of interested in buying her little sister.

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>>34796108
you can run from the truth, but you can't hide

>>34801017

>le Block

>>34796406
I shoot an RTF2 17, an the mags don't come out of it nearly as nicely as some of my other 9mm pistols.

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>>34796108

>>34796161
that's probably the least ugly cz pistol I've ever seen. good job.

>>34796108
You forgot the hi-point C-9, faggot.

>>34801600
source?

>>34796535
>P320
You forgot
>Safety * I dare you to drop it.

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>>34796108
move aside, poorfag coming through

$408 out the door from Buds, including .22 conversion slide.

>>34804740
Literally can't go anywhere on the internet without seeing this come up.

>>34796108
I'll rank my guns that I own or have shot
CZ-75 BD (best ergos and flat shooting)
Hi-Power (pretty much the same as CZ but SAO)
Sig p320 (idc about the drop safe)
Beretta M9 (beat to shit USMC pistol but still shot fine. Dont care for the safety)
Sig P2022 (been a long time since I shot this, I was still new to guns when I did, so cant really say much about it)
XD40 (it was 40 but close enough for evaluation, grip safety is dumb, also fuck springfield)
Hi-point (pretty much glock quality with single stack mag and just as cheaply made)
Glawk (shit)

>>34804740
Google it, you impotent fucking moron.

It's literally the first result after searching "My P320 failed" as keywords.

>>34805535
Did you read Notable features?

>>34805653
Is that one of the surplus CZ s?

>>34800619
that comes to $179.79 a round, good choice

>Ctrl+F
>No Bersa Thunder
To be fair, I have the 380, not the 9, but the 9 is the standard sidearm of the Argentinean military and probably great considering how indestructible my 380 is.

>>34796108
>> not posting the cz75

just stop

>>34806966
no, just a cz clone

>>34796303
I've literally had my friend's 92FS stove pipe 3 times on me in one mag, so your statement is objectively false

>>34797913
>cut-rate components
this is true of ALL government procurement.
great OEM, shitty cut-rate.

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>>34796108
I think you made a mistake in your infograph...

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What about GP Q100 from Slovakia?
This pistol with rotary barrel lock is comfortable to shoot and accurate as fuck.

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>>34796121
ditto lol

>>34796108
Out of all the pistols I've fired and carried, the sig p226 is the most accurate and smoothest shooter, and the hk usp is the most comfortable daily shooter and daily carry. That mag release is gold when panic swapping mags under stress.

>>34796108
Why isn't the Hi-Power on the list?

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>>34796161
85 is great, very accurate but the machining is not up to SIG or HK quality buts its still great, congrats.