How long before the Army cancels its order and what gun will

>>34794017
Mark 23 for everyone.

>>34794020
In a perfect world...

(Yes I know it would be a logistical and ergonomic nightmare, but fuck off, the Mk23 is awesome.)

Doubt they will cancel the order, but Beretta M9A3.

>>34794020
Mark 25 is best Mark. Sig will always win.

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GET HYPE

>>34794038
Bad PR has moved the Army's ass before, why wouldnt it now?

>>34794017
Never, the Sig P320 is a good stryker fired pistol, the only way they'd stop is if Sig suddenly said they couldn't do it.

The P320/M17 is going to happen, now we'll just see how troops like 'em. Guarantee you it'll be positive initially, then years and years from now after army abuse the polymer pistol will be pretty much fucked, and the grunts will cry about it.

Good thing that it's modular.

>>34794093
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/08/daniel-zimmerman/breaking-omaha-outdoors-halts-sales-of-sig-sauer-p320-pistols-following-drop-testing/

This is the end of Sig.

>>34794100
No, it's not, thanks anyway nogunz

>>34794100
Well, it seems that the tests they did was unorthodoxed, if you look into the comments the guy who tested it said that the discharged happens only at a very specific angle, above the standard 4 feet high rule, additionally he says " According to Tuohy, lighter trigger shoes reduce or eliminate the problem."

As we all know, this is a simple fix, and Sig is likely to fix this before they send them in, even if it's a real problem. Which it doesn't seem to be, since in that video he states that it passes all standard drop safety tests.

He also admits he dropped it above the 4 foot mark, which is standard, so in order for your P320 to MAYBE do this, you have to drop it at a very specific angle, at an unusual height.

"Our initial testing followed Cal DOJ guidelines for drop testing, and all guns passed this test. It was during the course of attempting to approximate portions of the ANSI test with its increased height that we discovered this angle would cause the weapons to fire."

Additionally, with a lighter trigger, it will NOT fire, even when you smash it so hard the beavertail falls off it, wouldn't fire. Simple solution, get a lighter trigger.

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>>34794053
Glock super power 2020

>>34794093
>Its going to happen just cause
It might very seriously not at this point

>>34794179
>all of this mental gymnastics
Its a shitty unsafe gun. Just admit it

>>34794192
Oh, so you're not able to really contribute anything, got it.

The Army's gonna get the P320, and if you think a minor trigger job is going to change it's mind, you're nuts.

>>34794227
Its not happening
Theyre probably not going through with the deal

There see now my argument is as strong as yours

>>34794192
The Adults are trying to have a serious conversation.

>>34794236
Incorrect, I've addressed the issues and came up with likely outcomes, Sig will fix the problem before they send too many to the Army, or the armourers will fix them since the issue is with the trigger shoe weight, they're too heavy, reducing it 30% (Which is what the testers did) completely eliminates the issue, both Sig and the Army can do this very quickly.

Please explain to me why Sig would immediately do this, or simply install the X-5's trigger in them instead.

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>>34794042
Best in what way?

>>34794260
He's likely a Glock fanboy, there's nothing wrong with Glock really, they're just outdated pistols (Stock wise) that's why most people completely change their Glocks entirely, usually almost all Glock owners will change their awful triggers, and that weak plastic guide rod.

>>34794183
I'll be honest, it looks pretty awful.

>>34794274
I have a Glock and I like it fine, but yeah, they're basically blank canvases when you buy them. Though I wish they had more grip modularity, they feel like shit compared to almost every other similarly sized pistol

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>>34794053
I hate glocks but the butthurt that it would cause if they dropped sig for this would sustain me until the day I die.

>>34794236
You are ignorant to the program or your trolling. The Beretta had far more serious issues when it went into service. The Sigs Problem are miniscule in comparison.

>>34794274
I own glocks and love them, he's just intentionally shitting up this thread.

>>34794292
I have both Glocks and Sigs, including the P320, and at first I was a little concerned with the tests, but with the circumstances they forced the gun in, I'm not really that worried now.

How likely will I be dropping my Sig like that? I'd have to be handing it to someone or placing it down somewhere, and when I put away my pistols I unload them.

Still, I was planing on getting an Apex trigger for it anyways, mainly for aesthetics but also because it'll make it SEEM like the trigger weights lighter.

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>>34794179
>It passes the drop safety tests where a bullet would be sent into the dirt or your shoe.
>Fails the drop safety test where a bullet would be sent into your chest or head

Holy shit. I knew the sigfag delusion was bad, but this? I think I'm going to give up trolling glockfags with kabooms and move to greener pastures.

>>34794301
Oh they wouldn't now, because the way Glock acted when they lost, the Army will be very reluctant to even allow them into the next trails.

Think about it, what if the FN pistol was chosen instead, will Glock flip its shit again and threaten to sue everyone? I'm pretty sure the Army isn't gonna let 'em try again, besides they've already seen their one and only pistol design.

Glock's done.

>>34794337
>what if the FN pistol was chosen instead
fn cant make a polymer pistol to save their lives. somehow it will fail worse than the 320

>>34794333
I'm not a Sig fanboy, I'm actually a 1911 fanboy, but this looks like a minor issue, you really think Sig won't just swap triggers? It'd take them no time at all, and they'll still make a killing.

It's worth it for them money wise, to suggest that they'll just throw in the towel is nonsense.

>>34794322
Yeah, me too, though my sigs are all hammer fired. I trust them, they're good guns.

Honestly, this is all blown out of proportion and a bigger deal than it needs to be. That said, I kinda think it's inexcusable to release a pistol that can fire when dropped.

Either way...I'm happy with my DA/SA Sigs and my Glock and this storm will blow out soon I'm sure.

>>34794322
The performance of the Sig is still outstanding. 1000 rounds in 13 minutes with minimal thermal damage.

>>34794263
For the exact same reason that they "won" the contract; because they want the guns to be cheap trash

>>34794274
The Guide rod was designed to be plastic on purpose you fucking retarded noguns

>>34794353
>but this looks like a minor issue
>gun is not drop safe
>minor issue

Why don't they just carry a double stack 1911?

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>>34794017
>Sig fags hate Gaston for this little trick

>>34794357
Looks like it is isolated to the models with a harder trigger pull. Places like California and New York they requested this.

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>>34794337
>Because of the way glock acted when they lost
You have absolutely no idea how government contracts work. You're talking out of your ass. These aren't niggers bartering over drugs. The government isn't jonesing for their sig fix that glock is keeping them from. It is expected that any significant contract offered to private bidders will have a formal challenge issued if the claimant's product or service wasn't chosen. In fact it is encouraged by all parties because it gives the recipient more time to deliver their end and it gives the government a way to back out or stall if there are any issues. Nobody needs this pistol RIGHT NOW. If they did, the challenge simply wouldn't have been permitted. Nobody was hurt or inconvenienced by the challenge except maybe glock in the form of legal fees.

>>34794357
>Honestly my anecdote makes me talk out of my ass
Multiple
Reported
Failures

>>34794389
>Glocknade
Just like pulling the pin on a hand grenade.

>>34794353
So what are they going to do about the hundreds of thousands of P320's already out there with the P320 trigger that isn't drop safe? Mass recall? It would seem foolish not to given how quickly this situation is gaining attention. Then again, a recall could jeopardize the MHS contract so they will be very reluctant to do that. Seems like Sig is stuck between a rock and a hard place.

>>34794413
Read the post about the Beretta

>>34794413
They'll probably do a recall, and send in X-5 triggers or just a reduced trigger shoe for the Army, who will likely try to test this again, and see that it won't fire.

It'll be ugly, believe me, but SiG will have to do it now, even tho as you said hundreds of thousands (Tbh that sounds high) have been sold, and we're just now seeing the issue.

Even still, the test is unusual, eye level height drop at a very odd angle. The Army might just say "Don't drop your gun like that" since other tests these guys did were fine, such as throwing it 50 feet without issue.

Also, the Army never keeps a round chambered while carrying, when I was in Iraq we never did that, my uncle who was in desert storm didnt, and my dad who was in Vietnam didn't (AT least not officially) with sidearms (or rifles)

The tests might not even bother the Army at all, but it does only slightly bother me with mine, though I am replacing my trigger anyways so it's more of a "Oh, well, justifies my purchase even more so"

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>>34794263
>Incorrect, I've addressed the issues
I almost get the impression that you believe what you just wrote.

>>34794322
The damage control is real. I hope you are getting paid well by Sig to post here.

>>34794038
M9A3 would be sweet if it had a Brigadier slide, s that people will shut their fucking mouths about durability.

>>34794179
>only at a very specific angle
That really doesn't make it better.

A Glock or Beretta would not do this.

Have any other plastic nines been tested with this?

>>34794017
What are the chances of a h&k contract? Too expensive?

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>>34794998
Unfortunately. I can promise it wouldn't have any of the SIGs problems.

>>34794998
HK would likely never build a production facility in the US, so basically no chance. It would be fucking sweet though to see the US military adopt the P30/VP9 series.

>>34795024
https://www.google.com/amp/www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/05/03/heckler-koch-building-us-factory-georgia/amp/
They're building one. I'm not happy about it, but it's happening.

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Here's what tjey should jave picked, and made in Tennessee too

They just wanted an "American" company to win because hurr durr MAGA

>>34795068
>They just wanted an "American" company to win because hurr durr MAGA

not because of any procurement laws requiring domestic manufacture or anything. is it possible for you to make a dumber post? i'm not so sure.

>>34795068
Those serrations look painful.

>>34795068
the m9a3 was the only reasonable option, but they decided to continue with the program to pick a gun that shots you in the face

>>34794183
That safety looks commie-surplus-import-tier

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>>34794017

Golden deagles for everyone. The enemy would be blinded by the sheer amount of sunlight reflecting of these badboys.

>>34794183

I think you mean 1980. That shits old and out dated.

>>34795097
Did you not read the part where they are made in Tennessee?

>>34794042
Mk24 is best. It's just baby mk23.

>>34795068
>hurr durr MAGA
Fucking mouth breather.

>>34795117
Looks like a fucking Toblerone.
>Ah shit, hurts my hands!

Though you'd probably get a pretty positive grip on it. What lockup do they use? The tilting locking block Beretta is so famed for or just generic Browning tilting barrel? (which there's nothing wrong with).

>>34795267
I don't even like Glocks particularly and I'd argue it's a non-sequitur, it's not new, but it still holds up.
Just take the FBI issue 17M and paint it FDE and you'd have a perfectly suitable service pistol.

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>>34794337
>TFW when just go with a full metal frame double stack 1911.

GLOCK WITH A SAFETY
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>>34794236
Nigger fucking the M4 was shipped with a shitty recoil spring for 2 fucking YEARS, by Colt.

The Military KNEW about it, but still kept the M4 around.

>>34794382
>It was intentionally DESIGNED TO BE SHIT

>all these fucking glocktards

And that's the thing, glocks are functional pistols that do what they're supposed to. But you guys have made it the AR of the pistol world. I'd never recommend a glock due to the fanboy retardation alone.

>>34795756
>But you guys have made it the AR of the pistol world
An inexpensive, popular, easy to use, simple, everyman's weapon?

>>34795767
>An inexpensive, popular, easy to use, simple, everyman's weapon?

Indeed that's what it is. But it carries the stink of an obnoxious fanbase. Why would anyone associate themselves with that?

>>34795767
A Honda civic with a CVT.

Why the fuck do we need an entirely new pistol in the logistical chain? What's even the point of the MHS?

>>34795818
>What's even the point of the MHS?
They needed to justify mo money for dem programs

>>34794179
....I don't think you fully understand the army.

35-50 year old men get told by their 25yo co not to drink and drive, beat their spouse, pets, or children on a weekly basis. We have safety briefs for everything.


That said, I think the trigger job is going to be absolutely necessary to restore any faith in their brand and continue the deal.

But this is a very real issue, people lose their careers over nds, let alone if it injures someone.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ch7si_VQsGA

I bought a P320 earlier this year as a duty pistol, and up until now I was very happy with my decision. Now I don't know what to think. I mainly invested in it bc of what I read here, and the govt contract and what not. But this is really bad for the 320, no matter how you look at it.

The damn gun is not drop safe!!!

I cant comprehend how the engineers at Sig overlooked this?!?

What should I do now, I don't feel safe carrying it anymore. Plus I freaking just invested in a compact conversion kit for the damn thing too. Wtf?!?@

>>34795941
Next time buy an HK.

>>34795941
>I bought a P320 earlier this year as a duty pistol, and up until now I was very happy with my decision. Now I don't know what to think
Sure you did. Post your glock

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>>34795941
How about you just don't drop it?

>>34794443
>Also, the Army never keeps a round chambered while carrying, when I was in Iraq we never did that, my uncle who was in desert storm didnt, and my dad who was in Vietnam didn't (AT least not officially) with sidearms (or rifles)

WOW a whole family of pogues

>>34796040
hey thuur soldier, you know its out of regs to call em that now. They're known as soft skilled personnel now, hooah?

>roger that sergeant major.

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>>34795950

>>34795941
thank you for the fresh pasta

>>34795941
That reads like a mom's Facebook post

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RIP

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>>34794017
SCCY-2.

>>34795788
>But it carries the stink of an obnoxious fanbase. Why would anyone associate themselves with that?
Some people aren't superficial like that I guess.

>>34795818
>Why the fuck do we need an entirely new pistol in the logistical chain?
Because rather many of the M9 Berettas are all kind of dank and worn to shit from the previous near three decades of use and abuse, they need replacement.

Truth be told they could seriously buy Hi-Points or Rock Island Armory M200 revolvers off the shelf for all it matters, real cheap and dank beaters that'll just go bang, and ultimately this would actually not make a significant difference because it's the military and pistols barely matter at all.

But they want something contemporary, and fair enough, they do get them at a pretty good price.
I wouldn't have gone with the P320 personally, but I'm sure that if they fix the trigger it'll do everything it has to do as a military sidearm.

>>34795788
That's why I won't own a Subaru.

How colossal of a fuckup does one have to be as a company to piss away their lucrative military contract just because the engineers were too lazy to throw the prototypes at the floor enough times?

>>34796144
RIP SIG

J-JUST PUT A LANYARD ON IT!!!!!!!!!!11111

>>34794017
A M17 with a trigger safety added would still be staggering cheaper than Glock's entry.

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>>34794100
>this is the end of Trump

>>34794306
>beretta had far more serious issues
This
They literally blew up with 9mm NATO

>>34794017
Army versions all have manual safeties. The drop issue doesn't affect them.

>>34799024
You expect GI's to not shoot themselves because of a manual safety?

>>34794192
Really, cause I remember hearing that berettas explode.

At least this can be fixed before the gun goes into service. Not after a few crayon and semen eaters loose fingers.

>>34799088
Issue here is regarding drop proofing not idiot proofing. A p320 with manual safety engaged won't be affected by what causes the p320 to discharge when dropped. Or it'll at least be as safe as the M9 was with safety engaged.

>>34798927
Expected a glocknade at the end. Now I am disappointed.

>>34794017
The Army is hesitant to drop the SIG because there's a good chance it'll shoot them.

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>>34794053
But anon, they already issue grenades in the army
>inb4 burgerboi glock fanboy hurricane

>>34794017
M1911A1

>>34795180
Might as well just issue lead-lined M1 Carbines as sidearms, because they probably weigh the exact fucking same

>>34794179
>He also admits he dropped it above the 4 foot mark, which is standard, so in order for your P320 to MAYBE do this, you have to drop it at a very specific angle, at an unusual height.
>unusual height
>4 feet
>pistol is normally held at around shoulder height

Army is full of manlets. Got it.

>>34799462
Considering all the Spics, you aren't wrong

>>34796240
Not a Soldiers Gun
And It never will be

>>34794017
The army aint dropping it. The Beretta had problems in testing too. They will just make SiG fix the issue and move forward. The Army generally doesn't like admitting they are wrong.

The M9A3 is clearly a better pistol but it doesn't matter. It's about shekels at the end of the day.

>>34794020
surplus market would collectively lose its shit

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>>34794020
already got mine.

>>34799970
The Army isn't allowed to sell surplus weapons to civilians anymore. The guns need to be melted down "for scrap." M1 Garands are an exception because they've spent 50 years in a foreign country.

>>34794053
>compact slide with full size grip

So fucking stupid.

>>34799792
>make SiG fix the issue
There's no issue as it stands, the gun passes required testing.
If the army wants to make an issue of it, they can pay for the flappy trigger which is an existing option.

>>34794489
I almost get the impression you are a useless troll, nope... Judging by the Glock cum running off your chin and your false sense of self worth you are doomed to FEEL like everything you say is right. Pitiful desu

>>34795788
>But it carries the stink of an obnoxious fanbase. Why would anyone associate themselves with that?

If you never socialise with anyone who cares you don't need to be concerned about fanbases. I don't parade my weapons, I use them.
I don't display them. I'm not an autsperger (those should be euthanized) and I don't need validation from others. I'm not a weak piece of shit child.

A firearm is a tool. If it is more than a tool to you, you are emotionally and perhaps mentally defective. You should buy weapons (mass-produced consumer goods) that appeal to your desire to differentiate yourself from buyers of other mass-produced consumer goods. You should apply this to all your non-conformist purchases and don't forget to buy Apple products to display your individuality.

>>34795921
>35-50 year old men get told by their 25yo co not to drink and drive, beat their spouse, pets, or children on a weekly basis. We have safety briefs for everything.

Yet they do all those things making those miserable briefings inevitable.

>>34794179
you must be a sig fanboy to say something that retarded. Sig absolutely can and presumably will come up with a fix easy enough but don't pretend like this isn't a problem.

Or maybe Sig will pull a page from Remington and ignore the issue for a few decades.

>>34800212
>Sig absolutely can and presumably will come up with a fix
They already have two, neither of which were required for this contract.

>>34794053
>Replaces the glock logo on grip with the word cuck

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>>34800642
Is this the pinnacle of /k/ memes?

>>34800682
Needs to show an HK mag loaded with the bullets backwards first.

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>>34799332

>>34800642
Top kek

>>34800642
Nade me laugh

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>>34799667
Humor me...what is a "soldiers gun?"

>>34794274
I like glocks a lot, but I agree with these two points. I also like better sights.. But that is my personal preference.

Also. General Milley has the right idea.

https://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/03/21/army-general-screw-procurement-nightmare-give-glocks/

>>34794020
FNX 45T>Mark 23

>>34794337
Tbh the 509 is actually worse than the p320

>>34794100
>There is no pathway to the Modular Handgun Competition

>>34799981
>2014
How much was it? My next pistol is going to be a Mark 23. I'd rather have one and a can than a maxim 9 or something.
>>34801318
Wrong.

>>34802096
I paid, including tax, 1866. You can get an even better deal.

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>>34794017
>>34799792
The issue doesn't effect the M17 because the MHS model uses a lighter trigger group than commercial models
>While the MHS passed DoD’s TOP 3-2-045 test with the trigger currently in the commercial P320, SIG proposed an enhanced trigger via Engineering Change Request E0005. As it didn’t result in additional cost to the government and only improved the firearm’s performance, M17s currently being delivered to the US Army have this trigger. Additionally, this trigger also eliminates the “double click” felt during P320 trigger pull.
>Although SIG was already working toward introducing the MHS-inspired Enhanced Trigger to the P320, this -30deg drop issue has hastened their effort. They have lightened the Trigger, Striker and Sear by about 30% overall and added a Disconnect (commercial only, not MHS). The trigger pull weight is unaffected, but rather the trigger part actually weighs less. The reason they lightened those parts is to mitigate the momentum gained by the heavier parts during a drop.
>Taylor laid it out, “There is a vulnerability with the P320 at the -30deg drop.” They plan to incorporate the trigger enhancements for the M17 into the P320. They’d been working on them, but implementation wasn’t imminent. Based on what they’ve found, that has been accelerated. Details on their voluntary upgrade program will follow soon.

What can be done? Contact congress?

USMC has the Osprey Death trap

US Army has the Sig TNT

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>>34802164
Damn. I was expecting at least that before tax. My lgs told me to come in 6 months before I turn 21 and I can set up a payment plan to pick it up payed off the day I turn 21. They said $1900 at most, I'll have to get the KAC can later.

>>34794017
They won't cancel because the Army's model is unaffected.

>>34802220
>They said $1900 at most
buy online.
My mk23 was an impulse buy. I walked in with 3k of cash and wanted a SCAR17s at a significant discount. They won't budge, so I walked out with a pistol.

If you're planning for a mk23, save up and buy online.

http://grabagun.com/hk-usp-mk23-45acp-5-87-bl-2-12rd.html

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/15366

>>34794273
>>HK superior
>>DO NOT DROP

kek

>>34802266
that looks like ceramic armor plate.

and you sound like a fag.

>>34802266
I hate German made guns.

>No Wolf ammo plox
>No drop plox
>No grease, only oil
>No warranty
>No this
>No that

Basically they are all shitty guns that promo their guns in movies like Coca Cola

>>34802255
Damn, will do. I just saved that link, that's the lowest I've ever seen one. I don't want a SCAR or anything, the only gun I've ever REALLY wanted is the Mark 23. I like my P30 pretty well.
>>34802266
>>34802288
That pistol will last longer than any gun you'll ever own.

>>34794017
>army makes competition rules so that only one pistol meets all requirements
>unsurprisingly, army gets pistol it wanted
>karma punishes them
Best timeline.

>>34802856
>M17 already has the fixes preventing the "problem"

>>34803000
The fact that it had the problem in the first place is bad enough.

>>34794017
You are referring to a nonstandard test.
Subject all other contenders and discussed pistols to the same goofball testing, then post your shitbait.

>>34803158
lmao. None of the other pistols in the trials would have done this.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/we-call-us-military-conduct-thorough-investigation-m17-modular-handgun-systems-dropsafe-flaw

Let's give them a little push

>>34803158
A drop test is a drop test. There is no way to plan how you will accidentally drop your gun.

>>34803245
>1 sig by this ID

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>>34803012
See pic.

>>34803220
Neither would the P320 as-submitted. This is only in some civilian models.

>>34803460
>This is only in some civilian models.
completely unverfiable claim. there are several incidents now suggesting that the method of failure is not what was initially claimed.

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>>34803460
I'm not a glock fan either.

>>34794353
>getting shot in the fucking chest
>minor issue

>>34803668
Stop rubbing butter all over your hands before playing with your loaded gun.

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>>34803749
Stop defending design flaws.

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>>34796013

>>34794053
Never happening, fanboy. If they don't go ahead with adopting the P320 - and they likely will - they're just going to stick with Beretta for the foreseeable future.

>>34794053
Sorry. Never. Actually not sorry.

>>34794353
It's going to need more than a trigger bud

>>34799332

clever girl

>>34800476
No, they didn't. A lighter trigger isn't a safe fix, the firing pin should not be allowed to release unless the trigger is pulled.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/08/08/p320-failed-without-even-dropping-no-plans-test/

>>34800642
Needs a judgemental beretta finally fulfilling the contract

>>34803906
Why didn't they just keep going with the square LAM? It's just so AESTHETIC.

>>34796013
>regular army dickheads and officers in charge of not dropping things

>>34801318
squishy squishy

>>34807181
tap water

>>34794017
Not happening Glockfag, the M17 is dropsafe.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/08/09/mhs-m17-already-fixed-p320-drop-failure-issue-voluntary-upgrade-pistols-will-receive-mhs-triggers/

>>34795024
HK has been making the HK45 in the US for a decade you moron

>>34800162
Not that anon but, holy shit the projection is real.

>>34807371
oooh, so that's why they are trashier than USPs?

>>34807394
No, they're trashier than USPs because they were designed with input from Larry Vickers.

>>34803906
Aren't you supposed to be dead, Snake?

>>34807220
TFB must be loving all the hits on their blog from this debacle, they just can't stop publishing more and more articles all saying the same shit

>>34802193
Is that a polymer trigger?

>>34794183
one of the ugliest things I've ever seen

>>34794183
Fucking hideous

>>34794301
OTOH, the butthurt that the Glawkfags will give you if it doesn't happen will be just as good.

>>34803245
why should i sign this petition?

>>34803245
>5 signatures

>>34807220
Wait, so Sig knew this was an issue but opted to release it anyway? That's not really a company I want to do business with.

>>34803245
There is literally no reason to sign this. The military variant is not affected.

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So can we at least all agree that the SP2022 is the superior polymer Sig?

>>34796171
The biggest pile of ass

>>34811378
Of course.

>>34811318
Correct it was a corporate gamble to save a few shekels if it worked out in their favor

>>34811378
It always was, by virtue of being hammer-fired.

>>34800642
"whoops wrong caliber"

>>34802326
>That pistol will last longer than any gun you'll ever own.

Says the guy who has never owned, touched, or seen in person, the gun he is shilling so hard it is causing him physical pain.

>>34794412
Sigfags really can only cling uselessly to this unsubstantiated myth of exploding glocks when faced with real news stories and reports of Sig's literally going off and shooting people on their own.

top lel.

>>34811318
Since the m17 contract hasn't been fulfilled, SIG could say they've "already fixed" the problem in the pistols because they haven't even made them yet.

So lightening the striker, sear, and trigger is the best idea they could come up with? Not just slapping a trigger dingus like every other striker pistol out there?

>>34812269
>unsubstantiated myth of exploding glocks
Which actually happened, but hey, bend a little further and you might finally get your dick in your mouth.

>>34812304
Or, they already have the "fix" in the M17 as approved, it's just something that hasn't made its way into the civ lines yet.

>>34812398
>Which actually happened
An unrepeatable occurrence with overpressure cartridges that retards never should have been fired out of a standard handgun of any make. Especially one with an usupported chamber. The Glock doesn't have an inherent design flaw. it just gets bought and used by fucking idiots.

You can go buy any P320 RIGHT NOW and make it go off by itself. The Sig has an inherent design flaw. It as advertised and claimed to be drop safe when it simply is not.

Trying to draw some false equivalency here just shows how stupid you are.

>>34812453
http://greent.com/40Page/general/kb.htm

>>34812495
>uncited article from a random website claiming the use of some ammo with a shitty case design
>single uncited anecdote that is not repeatable.

You can literally go buy a Sig RIGHT NOW and make it go off by itself at will just by hitting the back of the slide.

Try again.

>>34812545
>uncited
>random
You're new as fuck.

>>34812864
I don't think you know what a citation is...
or an anecdote.