Firearm "safety"

Chamber flags are mainly for ranges, so that the range masters can know at a glance that your weapon cannot currently fire. My range just used brightly colored zip ties though, as part of the rules for ceasefire was all actions open and empty.

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Chamber flags are there to make OTHER people safe, not having to worry that a boot will ND into someone elses thigh.

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>>34793708
Its for retards I agree. just lock back the slide at the range and if you own it and ND into your leg then you're being a dumbass

>>34793708
When I teach people how to shoot I use it as a teaching tool so people don't muzzle sweep or do anything retarded.
It's a good habit to get into to treat the gun with respect and be an adult. There, enjoy your (you), OP.

>>34793708
>>34793737
How do you know that chamber flag isn't actually a real cartridge painted in orange? No, no, no, you still should treat this gun as loaded even after you and three other people confirmed it's empty.

>>34793758
Yes, exactly.

>>34793708
>Unload firearm.
>Open the chamber to make sure there is no round.
>Move slide back so I can place my gun in the safe.
>Notice the hammer is cocked.
>Sweat a little.
>Hear something outside my window.
>Kids returning from school.
>My gun raises on its own, towards the infants.
>See the hammer fall, hear the boom.
>mfw my unloaded gun killed 20 kids that day.
>Fucking extended mag was staring at me in the safe.

>>34793708
t. summer /k/

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>>34793773
>mfw I pointed my unloaded firearm that had three different safeties engaged and no magazine inside the house at something I didn't want to destroy but it randomly got destroyed from the will of GOD alone

>>34793708
>no need to use extractor
>can dry fire because not in battery

can someone explain to me why would they add brass base to this flag?

>>34793708

It's to keep normal people at ranges safe from overconfident armchair operator retards like OP that are basically guaranteed to ND into something and spill all their spaghetti as they're getting banned from the range.
Then they go to /k/ and start a shit thread like this.

>>34793708
I use flags only on guns that don't have way of holding action open and on all when I put them in safe.

>cutting corners on teaching gun safety to people who you have no control over
>when you might be shooting with this person
>not practicing what you preach one of the only time it will always matter, when guns are involved

So do you have a better way of making sure handing a gun to someone who may not respect what you say as law, or even superior to their own personal opinion, works out every time? For whatever your attempting to teach them? I don't know about you but I never figured out the whole mind control thing. It's easy to make shit up on the internet, but can you honestly not recall any instance during your life where you cut corners, and while it turned out ok, you still probably shouldn't have done that in the first place? It's like that. And the thing about that is while that might be ok to one degree or another if you're making fast food or wiping your ass, when guns and other people that you have no control over are involved, and they know and respect guns less than you, cutting corners is a pretty fucking stupid thing to do. Kind of like responding to bait on /k/ at 4 in the morning.

Do you want to get shot? "Hey dude don't blink! :DD" That's all it takes. You can't unfuck a hole in your balls. You can, however, take measures to decrease the likelihood of a hole being shot through your balls. This is accomplished by not being retarded, and not letting people in your immediate vicinity with access to firearms be retarded.

>>34793843
not only that, buy why emulate the rim of the cartridge? The extractor probably isn't going to grab it, it's just going to put unnecessary pressure on it.

>>34793708
You don't understand. The point of gun safety is to develop good HABITS. Habits, by definition, should be automatic. You shouldn't have to think about it. You should ALWAYS follow basic safety rules, no matter what.

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This is me
>Dont have any snapcaps
>Play with 1911 all the time
>Assemble then reassemble
>Play with the slide
>Put loaded mag in and chamber then eject every round
>refill mag and do it again
>get bored of it
>round in chamber
>lower hammer with one hand
>place gun on desk or wherever
>leave loaded gun somewhere until I care enough to unload it
So, how long do I have before i accidentlt shoot myself? Ive been doing this for weeks.

>>34793968
Just buy caps

>>34794010
But i like the danger but yea i seriously will next time i get the chance.

>>34793968
>Leaving a loaded gun out.
What if an infant breaks into your house and finds it and shoots itself Anon?
This is why we need more common sense gun control.

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>>34793912
>The extractor probably isn't going to grab it
That's where you're wrong. The rin is engaged by the extractor. It's so it can be carried on top of a loaded mag- flag in chamber, full mag, and when you want to fire you rack the slide. Flag gets extracted and ejected, gun acts normally.
Also used by Israel on service M16s.

A gun safety horror story:
>be me
>couple years back when i was in the cadets
>I'm the only person that knows anything about firearms and I've been taught safety to an autistic degree
>go to do the l96a2 training
>we all get a rifle and get told to sit down and listen to instructor
>instructor picks up his own and sweeps everybody
>anxiety attack
>shows us how to do some basic stuff and tells us to stand up and practice it
>everybody sweeps everybody
>i have a barrel pointed straight at my head and i can see the dummy round inside at 5 separate occasions
>this is the entire day
After i got home i sat there for an hour in horror

>>34794139
Makes sense.

>>34793748
>always see these images
>saucenao it
>mfw that pixiv gallery
That is the kind of fucker that needs a shrink before he turns into another Randy Stair.

>>34794143
What do you expect? Bongs don't know anything about guns.
When I was in CCF my sergeant almost blinded herself by letting the L96's recoil spring smash her in the eye while disassembling.

t. former bong

>>34793748
>Drawing your fantasy school shooting.
>Ruger 10/22.

Japs.

"always assume the gun is loaded"
People change the wording to be more absolute because dumbasses want to ignore or bend the rules.

There are
-people who understand the rules
-people who follow the rules but don't understand (what you're complaining about)
-people who think they know the rules well enough to ignore them
-people who ignore the rules because they're braindead
-people who don't know the rules at all

You need to understand the rules, not just follow them

>>34793708
You do put it in park and/or set the parking brake so it doesn't roll off into the distance don't you?

>>34793748
>be grorious nipponese schoor gur
>want to join western husbandoos Eric and Dylan in the school-shooter wing of Valhalla
>download tor and order a '10/22 high capacity automatic assault rifle' with 25 round clips and a heat seeking, infrared mil-spec optic
>also order some random 'milsurp' cause why not
>go to school and start rampage
>the cop's 80 year old nambu's explode when they try to fire them
>officially outgunning the police
>japanese government has to call the US troops stationed at Okinawa
>nothing happens for about 30 minutes
>whistling noise
>airstrike hits
>entire school reduced to rubble

>>34794508
tbf japs are tiny and their skulls are eggshell fragile, 22. isn't as weak as it's memed to be

>>34794671
>parking brake

Only if I'm parked on a hill.

>>34794671
You do understand OP isn't very bright, si?

>>34794686
Enjoy your fucked transmission

>>34794688
You don't really need it if you're on a level surface, just throw it in park.

I thought it was bad to leave springs partially compressed like that.

Aren't you supposed to store them fully compressed (slide locked back) or fully extended?

>>34794694
No surface is perfectly level and you're putting unnecessary pressure on the parking pawl. Eventually it's going to break and you'll need a new transmission. Plus if you never use the secondary brake it may fail if you need it in an emergency.
Use your fucking parking brake anon.

>>34793708
found the nogunz that thinks deadly weapons are videogame toys

i fucking hate you 20something shit heads.

>>34794682
I thought a race of fragile and weak humans were just products of my imaginings

>>34794861
This country needs a massive cultural purge before it's too late.

>>34794861
Lovecraft was right to worry about Westerners degenerating.

>>34794708
Yeah, that half degree slope that doesn't move the car in neutral is really gonna fuck up your transmission. Fuck off

>>34794132
Really the only way to have a "safe" firearm is to make every part of the bullet seperate like an artillery shell and store them in multiple seperate safes.

Also, you have to solve an rubix cube every time you want to pull the trigger

>>34794937
Yeah because cars never get bumped or shift overnight, right?

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>>34793708

>Practicing safety and instilling good habits are retarded durrrrrrr

What, no autists talking about clearing buckets yet?

>>34794952
>Don't be a fucking retard and point a gun at someone or yourself
>Don't get shot

It's one thing to be over cautious with newbies but treating firearms like hand grenades is just stupid. My mother always bitched when I was cleaning my guns in the house even when the weapon was in pieces and the magazine was on the table because that floating barrel in my hand might explode.

>>34794958
We talk enough about your mother already

>>34794959

Yeah but here's the thing brah: It's called complacency. It happens to the best of us.

https://youtu.be/IQN0ncPmOsY?t=1m2s

>>34794991

... and the fucking time skip thing didn't work because I'm a retard, so just jump ahead one minute in the video and you'll get the joke.

>>34794671
>>34794686
>>34794688
>>34794694
>>34794708
>>34794937
>>34794950
lmao at these two automatic drivers

>>34795022
Luddite

>>34794995
Replace the ? with a #
>https://youtu.be/IQN0ncPmOsY#t=1m2s

>>34795099
>Luddite

Lean to drive a manual already. It's not hard.

>>34794139
>see guy with flag in chamber and loaded magazine
>racks the slide
>ejects the flag
>flag falls on the ground
>steal flag
>leave range

It's just a good safety habit you twit. If you assume a gun is always loaded you'll never unintentionally ND into your friend's face because "hurr it ain't loaded bro"

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>>34794139

>>34795584
>If you assume a gun is always loaded you'll never unintentionally ND
If you assume a gun is always loaded you'll pull out your CCW and get a click because you thought it was loaded when you put it in the holster.

>>34793758
Because how can the action be in battery if a flag is sticking out of the chamber?

Retard

>>34795726
>gub is always loaded
>never reload
>win every war for free
why are orcs so powerful?

>>34795492
Why. It's 2017 and I'm not hauling shit, automatics are a thing for a reason.

>>34796018
Yeah, because for some reason no one in the US was taught how to drive one.

>>34795492
But why

>>34794899

unlike us ubermensch who only talk about guns and furry art while fantasizing about killing people

>>34796197
I know how to drive one, I was taught on one and my first car was manual. Fucking annoying as shit and pointless for 99% of daily driving

Ok, let me explain in simplets words:

The firearm safety rules have multiple redundancies. That means it should be enough to follow jut the ones that are relevant in any given situation. And for 80% normal people this would be enough to avoid serious accidents.

The problem are idiots.

You see, about 10%-20% of population are fucking retard nutscaks. That includes gun owners.

Now, 99% of said moronic dipshits dont realise they are being idiots.

A unless you actually know the person, there is no way to differentiate between dumbfuck and normal person at first glance.

Normal person can be reasonably expected to know which safety rules should be enough in any given situation.

But since you cannot tell if the faggot muzzle sweeping your balls is a normal person with safe and unloaded firearm or a retard with loaded one thats about to shoot you in the dick, the only reasonable option is to assume everyone (including yourself ) is retard .

Therefore you drill it into them untill they bleed from the ears. Because there is one-in-five chance that either you or the other guy are retard lacking the common sense to reasonably assess the situation and not do something stupid.

So its better to force everyone follow all the rules all the time, even it they are redundant. Becasue said redundancy means that even if the retard breaks one of them, others will prevent a massive fuckup form happening.

Otherwise you end with dumbfuck mallninjas like OP that will most likely end up NDing sooner or later . And we can only hope that they ND themselves in the balls, instead of shooting their own daughters.

>>34796256
You get an A+ for effort, but retarded autistic anons like op will just TLDR and continue to finger fuck their possibly loaded guns

>>34795022
Lmao at all automatic drivers. Though Ian almost convinced me with his what if you're injured and can't drive a stick argument. Next innadesert vehicle might be automatic.

>>34794611

>There are
>-people who understand the rules (and follow them)
These people will never suffer ND
>-people who follow the rules but don't understand (what you're complaining about)
These people will never suffer ND (and this is the important part. Even a braindead idiot with down's syndrome is safe as long as he follows them. He does not have to understand them)
>-people who think they know the rules well enough to ignore them
These people will unlikely to suffer ND if they are right, and very likely to suffer ND if they are wrong. And they are usually wrong.
>-people who ignore the rules because they're braindead
extremely likely to shot themselves or someone else by accident and should not be allowed near guns at all.
>-people who don't know the rules at all
40/60 chance. Rules are basically common sense, and reasonable person might err on the side of safety rather than carelessness.

>>34795726
This is the stupidest thing I've ever read on /k/

>>34794106
>>34793968
alternatively use an empty brass and put a tiny bit of eraser where the primer goes

>>34793708
Your car also doesn't send near invisible projectiles at mach speed... You want to be retarded innawoods on your own fine, but don't be like Jeremy who points his gun at everybody 'because it's funny!' around people who aren't prepared to deal with it
>But I'm smart
And everyone should just know that? You give gun owners a bad name

>>34793743
Marines are fags

>>34793708

It's a rule of thumb meant for the masses, because there are a large number of newborns with Down's in the US. If you're smarter and have a little more presence of mind, you can ignore the "a gun is always loaded" rule when you know that it in fact isn't.

>>34795549
In our training they were attached by a wire to the front sites so they didn't fall on the ground and get shitty.

What capture the flag faggotry are you going for even with out this knowledge?

>>34796738
The whole point of "always loaded" is to treat it that way until you know it's not by dropping or emptying the magazine and clearing the chamber.

You're right though, this is too ambiguous for autists thus we get posts like OP

>>34794508
>>34794682
The highest scoring school shootings in finland were committed with .22 lr out of a short barrel (sig mosquito and p22)

>>34796244
You're weird. I hate it how a car decides to do things on its own, and shifting gears is fun.

>>34795549
>steal something from a guy who's now holding a loaded, chambered firearm
Good idea anon

>>34796931

I don't know about fun, for me it's just automatic. I don't even think about it, it's like complaining about how walking and breathing at the same time is stressful and complicated.
But I guess I understand where they're coming from. The learning period when you have to think about doing everything at the same time while in traffic is pretty intense, and I understand wanting one less thing to pay (even a little) attention to when you're riding a quick steel death machine on wheels through a city of soft, squishy meatbags both on foot and driving similar death machines.

>>34797046
I'm the other anon who doesn't like or see the point of driving manual. I live in a cramped hilly city which should explain it. I understand the advantages of a manual transmission, particularly on a truck, but they do not apply to my situation at all.

>>34797046
When you gotta go fast and actually focus on shifting, it's fun. If you're just cruising, then manually shifting gears is mostly an automation, at least after you've driven for more than 100km.

>>34794682
But if their skulls are so weak, then the .22 won't bounce around inside!

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>>34794672
Acceptable losses

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>>34797046
>>34797129
>>34797151

I'm too poor for a manual car, and nobody will teach me manual.
locally, used automatics are cheaper than used manual and less likely to be fucked up

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>>34794672
>exploding 80 year old nambus
Kek

>>34794329
Most cadet instructors have no military background and are little more than scout masters. CCF especially.

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>>34796903
absolute madman

>>34794508
>>34793748
Lets enlighten the Artist

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>>34798175
Forgot link
https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=62478727

>>34794861

I knew Lil Pump was a retard, even for mumble rapper standards, but this is simply too much.

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>>34794672
>school-shooter wing of Valhalla

>>34793758
An important feature of a chamber flag is it prevents the action from going into battery, literally props the action open. Retard.

>>34798199
>school shooting scenerio
>sawn-off shotgun an TEC-9
Nice Columbine reference

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>>34798340
higher res 4 u

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>>34798382
>looking at artists first pic
>girl with guns has trigger discipline

I think the artist might be /our guy/

>>34796903
Little known fact: Finns also have skulls as fragile as eggshells.

>use revolver
>can easily tell whether gun is loaded or unloaded

No problems here daddy-o

>>34800148
What did he mean by this?

>>34793748
inb4 first notable female mass shooter uses .22 LR

>>34798199
>dual-wielding
>stockless shotgun
unless if she's using birdshot she's gonna fuck up her wrist if she onehands that

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>>34794508
>>34796903
>>34794682
Did you fuckwits forget about V-tech? Cho killed most of his victims with a .22.

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holy shit
https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=30931507

>>34793708
A car's main purpose isn't to run over people though. Maybe your mom should have put an orange flag sticking out of your butt so we could see you were retarded.

>>34793708
looks like the pistol detained with a wheel clamp.

>>34794672
someone screencap this please

I would but I have no talent

>>34800792
>main purpose
The "main purpose" of an item has nothing to do with how lethal it is. A lathe will kill the fuck out of you even though it's made to turn bits of metal into other bots of metal.

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>>34800701
>He's a commie too
It never ends

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>>34801080

>>34801097
what's this based on?

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>>34801031
Just kinda threw it together

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>>34801031
>I have no talent
>using microsoft paint and alt+prtscr is talent
here you go you lazy retard

OP confirmed for ND waiting to happen.

>>34793708
my amendment to this rule is every gun is loaded unless you literally just checked it

>>34800693
They could draw any rifle they wanted.

>>34801309
They should've drawn a 5.56 rifle
A woman can easily handle 5.56

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>>34794672
niceu

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>>34793737
>>34793743
Agreed.
>>34793748
No. Perhaps your range is a bastion of maturity and responsibility, but the AR crowd attracts the broskies with the free hat they got from buying energy drinks by the case. Chamber flags are good practice.
>>34793754
good.
>>34793758
sarcasm detected. go to the back of the line.
>>34793852
Truf.
>>34793968
I'm surprised you've survived to hit the "enter" key. Go get snapcaps.

>be me
>as long as I know the gun is unloaded and I'm not pointing it at people I do whatever the fuck I want
>this includes dry firing, spinning on my finger, racking the slide a lot, potentially pointing at people through walls
I have yet to invest in snap caps. Tried putting ammo in my gun once and got scared

>>34801031
snipping tool

>>34795549
you can LITERALLY see the string holding it to the gun

>>34796633
Your girlfriend begs to differ.

>>34797151
this is true up to a point. if you can afford a fantastic car you can by paddleshifters faster then you can possible switch gears

>>34802038
of course she knows, shes fucked about half of them

>>34801377
And the biggest fag of the thread awards goes to none other than (You)

>>34802192
It's just not the same thing.

>>34802860
Hes probably never driven a stick.
He probably only used the "sport mode" on his crossover.

Its ok anon.

>>34794861
Set us back 60 years thanks dumbass

>>34795174
No, 4chan just doesn't support it.