I'm looking for a budget bear defense gun that won't cost me a fortune on ammo. The price of each round of 357 Ruger is equivalent to the annual income of a Chinese factory worker.
http://www.basspro.com/shop/en/federal-premium-vital-shok-truball-deep-penetrator-rifled-slug-shotshells
>>34786599
This is why you have a truck gun. This exact scenario. A bear has invaded your campsite and is fucking with your cooler, you dash to your F150 and grab your Sub2000 in 40 S&W. Then you load up the bed of your truck with all that fresh bear #meat.
>>34787786
You mean my hi point 4595?
>>34786599
Get bear spray. Its more effective.
>>34787824
>not having an underbarrel bear spray attachment
c'mon man
>>34787843
Doh, caught me slippin'
>>34787786
>>34787802
I hope you boys chose weapons wilth low-pro sights, because otherwise it'll hurt something fierce when that bear sticks them up your ass.
Remingtom Model 870 Home Defense
>Pic Related
Perfect for the economically disadvantaged campfag
https://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2017/06/bella-twin-22-used-to-take-1953-world.html
>>34786599
black bears or brown bears?
>>34787754
/thread
Its not fun or exciting but rifled slugs from a 12ga is what forest rangers have used for ages.
Im going that route too.....with a UTAS XTR-12 though. Fuck the bear, the woods, and fuck the cabin I'm staying in.
>>34788031
>I hope you boys chose weapons wilth low-pro sights, because otherwise it'll hurt something fierce when that bear sticks them up your ass.
thanks for the hearty chuckle anon
>>34788031
>>34788281
Seriously that's the oldest joke in the book. Hang around more fudds. You'll hear that one 300,000 times.
Fudds also have a lot of dad knowledge concerning guns (slugs,nosler) and stupid prejudices too (1911, polymer)
>>34787786
>>34787824
This. Carry a gun as a backup though. No reason not to.
>>34787824
>>34788683
I was bear maced 4 days ago by my psycho ex. Although blinded a bit I was able to get to her and subdue her until the cops arrived. I'm 5'11' 160lbs do you really want to trust that shit? I don't.
>>34787786
Underneath our starry flag
Civilize em with a Krag
Keep a bubbaed Krag in my truck for just this purpose.
>>34788129
Poor bear... Wasn't in a charge position was it ? How long did it take to die? How sketchy is that source? (Pretty) I had the same argument with some dill hole awhile back over that story.im from a lineage of subsistence hunters and frontiers people. They never used anything less than a 30-06. Modern 308 would be fine too.
What's a solid choice sidearm wise for the lower 48?
>>34788841
You are not an animal, you understood that it was mace and that it makes your eyes burn but will not hurt you. You probably understand about capsaicin and how bear mace is made.
The statistics are clear. If attacked by a bear with a gun your chance of walking away uninjured is 50% with bear spray it jumps to over 90%. I know mace is not tough or macho, but youre not trying to impress the bear you just want him to go away.
Moreover if a bear is charging you and your asshole could make diamonds out of coal amd your heart is in your throat beating 1000 bpm, what are thr odds you won't miss with a single projectile weapon.
>>34788530
While I do admit to a preference for the .45 ACP cartridge, It's not a fetish. I have valid arguments against 9mm for EDC/SDC. And while i generally prefer all-steel pistols to bi-metal or polymer ones, I recognize the value of polymer stocks for rifles, carbines and shotguns.
I'm no fudd. The man asked for an inexpensive, reliable, cheap to feed bear gun. Nothing beats a sawed-off 12 ga for that purpose while camping. Anything better, is going to either be out of his price range or have too refined a palate.
>>34789381
>>34788841
Bears in AK tend to think of bear mace as seasoning for the guy who maced them. Don;t want to be dinner? Get a gun.
>>34789381
>If attacked by a bear with a gun your chance of walking away uninjured is 50% with bear spray it jumps to over 90%
The study you're referencing too didn't take in account of caliber, weapon used or skill of the shooter. Bear spray is good but its not the endall beall, if you're never been maced before and you fuckup on a windy day...You're dead.
Pump shotgun with bear banger or a blank in the chamber followed by slugs is still the best option.
>>34789381
The numbers for mace are much smaller than that with a gun, in that the entirety of bear mace attacks are roughly the same as walking away with no injury with a gun
>>34791252
Im not calling you a fudd I was just surprised that no one heard it before i hang out with fudds all the time. I like hunting, drinking shit beer, reading tom Clancy, and driving a jacked up truck. I just forgot that there's people that love guns that don't have fudds dad and uncles.
>>34787786
That's a lot of bear meat
>>34791305
There are several studies that i have looked at that give bear spray survival rates anywhere from 80 to 97%. The only people that prefer guns over spray are people on gun forums. Who use wishful thinking as their reasoning. They typically can't even offer anecdotal evidence. They just say "A gun will work better because....its a gun and I have wrapped my ego up in my guns therefore want it to be better so it is." Don't get me wrong I'm not some anti gunner. I'm a shooter, have been since 10 years old. I also know a hammer is a great tool but everything is not a nail.
If you type in bear spray vs firearms in your favorite search engine. You will find that even the most optomisic uses of firearms still trails behind bear spray.
>>34795226
>They typically can't even offer anecdotal evidence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JimJR2rMgbM
>>34795226
Do you CC human spray instead of a gun too?
>>34787824
Fucking faggot lolol, tell that to this guy.
>>34789381
>You are not an animal
>american education
>>34796567
>>34796649
Maybe you don't understand how percentages work.
Btw That guy is STILL a proponent of bear spray.
SW 329 PD with the reduced recoil buffalo bore loads. Nothing is lighter.