$140 Mag-fed 12ga.

Junk.

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>>34785229
*jams*

>>34785229
>3 rounds

>could just get a Maverick 88

>>34785229
Those things are shit tier why do you think they are so cheap

>140 dollars for shotgun
>spend the same amount to buy 3 fucking magazines for the damn thing

Why would you want a mag instead of a tube?

I feel like there is a way to fix the magazine situation cheaply.

Something home brewed maybe, I mean it's just a simple big single stack mag.

https://youtu.be/NVAVpEU9Txg

>>34785285
Why wouldn't you want a mag?

>>34785316
rimmed cartridges have always had issues in box magazines.

>>34785350
A lot of shotgun mags aren't exactly super reliable, and the higher capacity ones are bulky and unwieldy.

>>34785374
And yet russians can do it.

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you can get a maverick 88 for less than 200 dollars

>>34785386
so can the British
and box-mag fed shotguns exist

but rim lock still happens

>>34785393
Semi auto is the operative phrase here. Try shooting doubles with a pump.

>>34785266
>not taking control of your firearm's capability and 3D printing/machining your own mags

>>34785386
>implying nuggets don't have practically constant issues with feeding 7.62x54r

>>34785462
>Implying this hunk of junk can even get two shots off reliably
Never trust a chink gun, and especially never trust a chink semi auto.

>>34785509
They can be made reliable if you don't mind polishing a turd.

>>34785462
>Try shooting doubles with a pump.

maybe, and im just spitballing here, you could use a DOUBLE-barreled shotgun for skeet, like a normal fucking human.

>>34785462
It's really not that hard. While it's a bit challenging at first once your used to it it becomes just as smooth as using a semi

>>34785523
And how much does that take? It will probably be cheaper and give me a more durable, quality product to just start with a quality Russian or American magfed semi shotgun than to try and make this cheap chinkshit not a death trap

>>34785550
$5 sandpaper, time.

>>34785509
>never trust a chink semi auto.
Polytech and Norinco AKs would like a word with you

If it only came in .410. So I could use two of them and sbs/aow stamps to make Ember Celica.

>>34785602
>>never trust a chink semi auto.
>Polytech and Norinco AKs
yes thank you for further proving my point

>>34785663
Polytech AK's are some of the best in the world

>>34785486
The VEPR 12's magazine design works really well though. Never experienced rimlock, or reliability issues, but the mags are bulky.

>>34785685
[citation needed]
you probably use one of these chinkshit shotguns as well

>>34785486
>Implying they do

>>34785229
>us now getting mag fed shotguns
Google sap6 or the turk semi auto ar looking Shotgun. Also grizzly.

All those run like a charm, being skeptical of this based on concept is retarded. Though chinks probably fucked it up.

>>34785736
>sap6

$600 shotgun is better than $140 shotgun. Film at 11.

>>34785509
>>34785663
>>34785706
You keep proving you know nothing about AKs

Go ahead. Go to /akg/ and tell them you want a good quality American AK and not some "chinkshit"

Does Centerfire have 5 rnd mags?

As far as I know, they've only offered them via pre-order to people who purchased a SAS-12. I received the pre-order offer by email on July 12th. They might have sold more than they expected from the pre-orders. Last I knew, they were counting them and getting them ready to be inventoried. Maybe they ran out or ran a little too low.

>>34786133
They never even sent me an email.

>>34785350
What >>34785374 said and the fact that shells like to deform in a really tight magazine. Tubes avoid this by having the end to end but in a box magazine you can get some deformation that can cause anything from feeding issues to a completely stuck shell that you need to ram out.

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>>34785663
>>34785706
Congratulations. You just played yourself.

>>34786146

I'm just repeating what a guy on you tube said.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0GkQ6z5AxaQ

>>34786614
Oh no, I'm not saying you're wrong. Just that they didn't even bother notifying me about them.

>>34785486
Replace your interuptor

Idk, probably a Jam-O-Matic pile of shit but for 140 bucks I would buy one. Would be cool if they gave you a few mags at least

>>34785685
From recent euro reviews it seems they also dropped off in quality.

I've been considering it.
$140 wouldn't be too bad of a deal even if the feeding from the magazine and the semi auto cycling was a complete shitshow, making it effectively a single shot.

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>140 shotgun
Why the fuck not?
Buy multiple so if one jams you can throw it in a dufflebag and pick up another one
literally thoow them away!!!!!!!!!!!!

Someone from here please buy and give in depth review

>>34785285
3-gun. Looks light, too.

The /k/ blog picked one up. They jam a lot and the mags are nonexistent except for ones pulled from broken guns. I'd totally buy one if they ran right.

>>34785663

>how to expose yourself as noguns in two posts flat

>>34787327
thef uck is 3-gun

>>34787342
Hello noguns, enjoying your first week on /k/?

>>34787303

>pls try my product

>>34785285
a tube is a mag,
question is, why would you want a removable box mag, as pictured in op?

>>34787372

faster reloads

>>34787348
Just fucking tell me

>>34787372
Magazine
1 second
Tube
7 seconds

I dunno m8 seems p. obvious to me

>>34787381
Use three different guns to shoot all the targets faster than the next guy.
You probably couldn't even win a speed googling competition let alone a shooting one :^)

>>34787404
i dont understand why you're being so hostile, i admitted ignorance and just wanted an answer. relax.

fuck dude, stop trying to scare new people away from the hobby, or you actually WILL see your 2nd amendment gone

I want my first gun! Should I buy OP? its so cheap!

>>34787411
Unfortunately not. It's got more jam than a jelly factory.
Otherwise I'd be all over that shit too, m8.

>>34787411
because knowing you know something someone else doesn't is practically currency on 4chan.

>>34787427
is they a way to fix the jam? what causes it?

>>34787380
ok. but i'd want a mag that holds at least 8 rounds and doesnt stick out 18 inches from the bottom of the gun

>>34785350
contrary to videogame/armchair logic using magazines to load a weapon can actually add to reload time if you are shooting constantly

You have to detach and load the magazine, with some weapons that arent magazine fed you can literally reload with one hand while your other is on the trigger. Tldr;fuddmagic

>>34787327
I would buy one if mags weren't unobatanium, chop it down and add a folding stock after polishing and bluing the internals

>>34787431
My fucking God, we're Arabs.
>>34787442
Do a little research on firearm feeding and exctraction. Based off what the guy from the /k/ blog went through on his, it does a little bit of everything. FTF, FTE, stovepipe, etc. You'd need more knowledge than you have in order to get it working and the parts are going to be hard to come by, and shotguns are already not known for cycling reliably. It's more trouble than its worth.
Which, admittedly, isn't much. If they're still on the market after you've bought a gun or three that DOES work right, this thing would be a fine toy.

>>34787459

but it doesn't stick out that far how dare you use hyperbole like that

>>34787465
Show me a .5 second tube reload.

>>34787465
To expand on this, what is going to have a higher rate of fire over ten minutes, A gun with one detachable magazine, or a gun with an attached magazine you can load constantly? The answer is obvious. you need 2 or more mags with capacities high enough to be worth more than attaching and detaching them to have a higher rate of fire.

>>34787327
>3-gun.
>clunky 3rd detachable mags
Sounds like you're shooting for dead last place in open division?
If so, you could do even better, with one of those bolt action shotguns with 2rd mags that lost popularity in the '60s.

>>34787481
I'll buy it as a first gun, dad!
I'll get it working I promise
link to blog?
whats mags does it takes ill get them from ajunkyard!

>>34787482
if it held 8 rounds it would probly stick put at least 10 inches though

>>34787487
Jerry miculek aside show me someone reloading a magazine in .5 seconds. You arent understanding the point of what I was trying to say.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXkyEbrqNGw&t=6s

>>34785318
this shows you everything you need to know about this garbage.

that said, I think they look pretty cool, but would never use one for intended purpose. Maybe as a sand wedge, a flower vase or a bong.

>>34787411
>and just wanted an answer
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what's+3gun

>>34787538
I'd love to see Jerry and Hickok get together.

>>34787523

yeah no shit because that's what magazines normally do. do you want a flush 2-round mag?

>>34787501
Uh, what? Why would you not have that many? Aside from the mags for this turd almost not existing.
>>34787538
Mags aren't actually that hard to reload in half a second. Any SS-rank and a lot of MM's can do it. The real things that make Jerry scary are his revolver reloads and general shooting speed itself.

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>>34787481
To be fair we aren't stopping the retard from just fucking googling it.

You could probably fix a lot of issues by homebrewing better springs but that requires a lathe to do right and even then the amount of work needed would be way more than simply buying a decent gun.

>>34785316
Only thing I can think of is completely reworking it to accept saiga mags.

>>34787621
how does one shove 17 rounds in a glock mag or 30 rounds into an ar mag in half a second. Speedloaders?

>>34787707

have more mags. you cant have more shotgun tubes unless you want to carry around a quiver of speedloaders.

or you could buy a highly reliable and proven mossberg 12 gauge with a 3 round magazine for like fifty bucks on armsbutt

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>>34787431
>when another anon damages your value by learning what you know

>>34785229
>2 3/4" only
>3 round magazine
It's fucking nothing.

Where is the / how is the best way to get one in Florida?

Details, nearly newb.

>>34787729
there are ten million reasons why you don't and wouldn't want to carry around eight mags. I dont know who you are but someone asked why you wouldn't want detachable magazines and there are about twenty good reasons. I realize that in the aspect of warfare or short duration competition shooting nothing is going to compare to a bunch of high capacity mags out of a semi auto, but if im plinking with a 22 I would much rather load its internal magazine or even a single detachable 10 round mag periodically than spend my life fingerdicking three 25 round magazines full. Most of the time I want to walk around and shoot at stuff without carrying around magazines that I have to stand there or set on a rock to reload at all, you can reload a tube fed magazine while walking around or while walking up to check your target. Its ok tho I love you.

>modify it to take saiga mags
>have a fantastic cheap shotgun

Why are people down on this again

>>34787985
Because it doesnt function well even after polishing and to mod it for a sauga mag you would need to completely rework the receiver to the point that unless you are already fully set up it would cost more than buying a saiga at even these inflated prices

>>34788006
BUT
I
WANT
IT
TO
WORK
I NEED A CHEAP GUN

>>34788033
You can kind of sort of make it work semi reliably but any semi auto tube gun will be much more reliable for about 400-500 dollars.

If you absolutely need a gun right now that is super cheap then as cliche as it is buying an AR would probably be the best choice

>>34788033
go build a slambang then
at least that will work everytime

>>34788063
>>34788081
ARs are too epxensive

>>34788081
slambang?

Okay, autists, listen - this isn't a badass tacticool shotgun or a serious durr gun or something for gentlemen to shoot skeet with. This is basic home defense at a price any poorfag can afford. For that purpose, it's adequate, and any device that fulfills its role adequately can't be said to be "junk".

>>34788185
I mean it might as well be a one shot shotgun and at that point you can just >>34788081

You can do that or get a gun way more dependable for $40 more in the maverick 88

>>34787707
Show me one video of a guy reloading bullets into a detachable mag in the middle of a fucking stage. Literally nobody in the history of ever has done that.

>>34788185
It doesn't tho. It's a jamomatic.

>>34788185
Its actually not because it turns into a single shot at the drop of a hat, a home defense weapon needs to be reliable and 140 for a gun that doesn't work most of the time AND has unpredictable failure modes is utterly retarded and you are better getting a single shot you know is going to work and is going to have the exact same loading procedures every time. Or spend a little more like >>34788210 says

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>>34787866
>ten million
>twenty
I'm trying to come up with just ten truly distinct ones, and drawing a blank.

--loaded spare mags have bulk/weight somewhat higher than the same amount of loose rounds
--loading rounds into a detached mag while also holding the gun can suck
--spare mags cost money
--detached mags aren't partially protected by the receiver
--detachable mags' point of attachment is likely to be more vulnerable to damage when the gun is dropped and lands on the mag
--detached mags can be lost, particularly with a habit of dropping them from the gun
--detaching and keeping a mag means putting something into a pocket/pouch, which can take a moment, especially without suitable gear

>>34788210
Yeah, I know the Maverick is better. That's why I have one in my gun safe. But there are a lot of people for whom the $60 difference in price is non-trivial. Also, single-shot topper shotguns have kind of been drying up lately. The MP-18s and even the Hatfields seem to have more or less disappeared from shelves over the last few months. Yes, Henry just released one, and it's just as nice as you'd expect from Henry, but it's just as expensive as you'd expect from Henry, too. Other than that, options are pretty limited. I'm not sure why - maybe the cheap AR boom is sucking all the oxygen out of the lower end of the firearms market such that it's just not profitable to make many other poorfag guns these days. Either way, cheap shotguns seem to be going the way of cheap milsurps - slowly fading out of a firearms market that's changed tremendously over the last twenty years.

>>34788346
you make me a slam bang gun then and ill pay you less than this sas12

>>34788352
"Just make a slam bang gun" is literally the most retarded thing anyone ever says on /k/. And that would be true even if you fat spergs had the mechanical skill to put a gun that wouldn't blow your hand off in a workshop (which your mom's basement doesn't have anyway).

>>34788323
Would an internal magazine designed for the gun theoretically be more reliable than after market ones or detachable ones with more variables? Most of the time feeding issues are from the magazine right?

I own a Sas12, its my only gun
I roll around with only one shell in at a time. I don't use the magazine at all
the gun was worth it to me, i go shooting with it at the range
it got me into guns, i dont care if its more cumbersome it was cheap and there's nothing cheaper out there

>>34788346
Then spend the 140 on a new hi point and some decent ammo, there isn't a single reason to trust your life to a shitty shotgun that jams in new and exciting ways every time you pull the trigger.

This is without going into the used options everyone has

>>34788400
theres plenty of cheaper guns if the only criteria is singleshot

>>34788440
>used
>less than $150
>hi point
>less than $150
What's your problem anyway

>>34785462
I shot doubles with a bt-99. Step up senpai.

>>34788449
Hi points are 140 if we are going by internet prices, you go into a brick and mortar store you are going to run into the same markup

>>34788449
Hi points can be found for under $150 all damn day. Hell, if try hard you can find them for or just under $100. Your jew-jitsu is weak

>>34788472
i dont see any
show me this internet store where you can buy cheap magic guns
>>34788479
like a .22 hipoint pistol?

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>>34788483
>.22 hi point pistol

I wonder if anyone who says this thing jams all the time actually owns one or has ever fired one. This place swims ankle-deep in its own brand of fuddlore.

>>34788497
Have you or are you just trying to convince yourself buying one would be a good decision

>>34788495
>doesnt post proof

>>34788142
I assume he means this sort of thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EgO5XGcjtk
About as simple as a gun can get.

>>34788511
Nope. But I do wonder what their opinion is based on.

>>34785663
>>34785706
>so nogunz he hasn't even seen a firearm in real life

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>>34788540
I'm going to assume this is b8 but I'll bit

https://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/hi-point-45-acp-semi-automatic-45-acp-45-barrel-91-rounds?a=1821441

145

https://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/hi-point-c-9-semi-automatic-9mm-35-barrel-81-rounds?a=1821438

143

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/mobile/product/48302/hi-point_916_c-9_8+1_9mm_+p_35

140

http://www.gunbroker.com/Hi-Point-Firearms%2FBrowse.aspx?Keywords=Hi+Point&BuyNowOnly=1&Sort=4&Tab=2

100-150 brand new depending on caliber

>>34788621
but i dont WANT hi point

>>34788621
ok anon im gonna buy a .380acp hi point wish me luck

>>34785229
Seems like a nice enough toy. Wouldn't trust my life to it, but probably worth the $140 for shits and giggles.

>>34788638
Ibdont care, you said that 140 dollar hi points don't exist, you were wrong, a hi point is more reliable and will serve you better than a shotgun that doesn't work of you are that worried about cost.

>>34788678
I would recommend the 9mm, more positive ejection.

>>34788717
I ain't got money for 9mm

why does hi-point have bad rep? aside from being so cheap gangsters get them

>>34788621
What about people who wants guns but aren't old enough for a pistol

>>34788725
>I ain't got money for 9mm
Check your ammo costs again.

>>34787593
like... in what way?

>>34788860
sexually

>>34788033
It's guaranteed to go bang at least once. May or may not cycle.

>>34787411
Because retards like you shouldn't be spoonfed.

That has nothing to do with guns, or scaring people away from them. You asked a question that could have been answered with a simple google search.

It's like going on /o/ and asking what a Mustang is then getting upset when people call you dumb.

>>34788185
>recommending a jam-o-matic piece of shit for HD

Fucking kill yourself.

>>34789106
but a mustang is way easier for the common man to know, 3 gun is hobbyist shit

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>>34785229
>semi-auto mag-fed shotgat
>140 burger vouchers
>no negative reviews
this almost looks too good to be true.

>>34789176
the point

your head

You're obviously on something with internet access if you're posting here. Fair enough about the Mustang being more common than 3 gun but come the fuck on, why would you post the question here and wait an unknown amount of time for a possible response instead of opening a new tab and searching for it? If you were asking in person that would be different and people would just answer normally, asking while you're already online is mouthbreather-tier.

>>34789212
because i value YOU more than GOOGLE
YOU'RE important to me ok?

>>34789225
faggot

>>34789184
>no negative reviews

>>34789184
It's a super cheap Chinese semi-auto, you know exactly what you're getting.

>>34789244
>hurr chinese is bad
Chinese assault rifle is better than the regular one you know

>>34787431
My god. The truest post there ever was.

>>34789253
Chinks can make good, reliable shit, but not at that price point m80.

>>34789298
I just want a shotgun for 150

>>34789237
I've been looking around and I can't find anybody saying that the gun outright blows, it's certainly not SNS-tier.

>>34789244
>you know exactly what you're getting.
a shabby finish on a functional, somewhat-unreliable gun?

>>34789298
tell that to the Canadians.
>tfw Norinco cucked themselves out of the burger market
I want to be mad at the ATF but the Chinks have no one to blame but themselves.

>>34789330
You can have one, and it'll work most of the time. Fun times for all.
You don't want it to be the one under your bed though.

>>34789375
Check the thread m8.

>>34789330
Buy a used pump action, it's just that easy.
I bet you could find a chink made pump or even maybe a mav88 new if you tried hard enough

>>34789399
how do i do that? reccomndations?
>>34789385
yes i do because itll be the only gun i ever own

im trying relaly hard but i just dont have money guys

>buying used
thats not possible here not for that price

>>34788185
or you could be like every other non retarded poorfag and buy a maverick 88 or even a mossberg 500 and have something that won't shit itself when you need it the most.

>>34789413
Comb gun shops, pawn shops, gunbroker armslist, gun shows fleamarkets anywhere that sells guns really.
It's all patience and persistence.
I'm not sure about your area but up here (PACNOR) guns are pretty pricy and I've still scored a lot of great deals through sheer persistance.
If you're in some even pricier market like AK or CA I don't know what to tell you

>>34789413
Add maybe $20 and you can get a half decent Turkroach pump gun that'll hold twice the shells and be a hell of a lot more reliable. If you're quibbling over $20, you're not going to be able to afford to shoot the thing.

>>34789487
>>34789488
I live in FLORIDA

>>34789488
Here's the fun part. Shipping is $15, and an FFL transfer is around $25 if you're lucky.

So with a $140 gun that leaves you with a $180 price tag all said and done, whereas a maverick 88 is $189 new plus like tax Making it about $200.

Not to mention you can get a used mossberg 500 or mav 88 for 180 or less all day long without tax.

>>34789184
>>34789375
>no negative reviews
>been looking around

See >>34785318

>>34789569
whats ffl
How do i get a gun in my hands for cheap
does it have to be physical
im too scared

>>34789638
FFL, as in, a gunshop. If you order a gun online it has to ship to a licensed dealer who can run a background check and transfer it to you. They charge a small fee for this.

>>34789676
Stop spoon feeding him he is either retarded and never going to be anything much less have anything worth stealing or is baiting you.

>>34789688
You started somewhere too, bitchboi.

>>34789699
Yeah, Google and lurking instead of asking the same retarded questions over and over like some mongoliod. He doesn't even seem to read this thread, just keeps spouting his obviously wrong opinions about how useful this peice of shit is, doesn't know shotgun shells aren't free and for some reason can't understand what an FFL is because he lives in Florida, like that changes anything.

>>34789736
I haven't mentioned this gun once
Why are you saying things I've never said

>>34789744
Low-effort B8, 'FL'-effete.

>>34789814
What?

>>34789534
>>34789534
I have friends in FL and prices are regularly lower there than out west.
Seriously, nigga. Apply yourself.
A friend of mine got a mossman 500 for $90 and all he had to do was remove the hunting plug

>>34789876
am i just supposed to walk to pawn shops? how do i know if gun is good?

>>34789882
Yes, the bus exists too if you're tired of walking.
You inspect them, it's a fucking pump shotgun not a NASA spaceship. You'll notice if something feels wrong

>>34789882
Just go to Cocoa and get Kel-Tec.

>>34789978
>>34789980
I've never held a gun in my life
won't i get laughed out of a pawn shop for being young

>>34790000
they'll laugh at you and then threaten to call the cops if you don't get the fuck out, don't bother getting a gun period.

>>34790000
>won't the shopkeeper run me out of his store because all small bussiness owners hate money
I would expect you to be more intimidated by a real gun store.
I know I was when I was in your shoes.
I was also a complete novice to guns but I lurked and studied until I felt like I knew what to look for.
A lot of it's pretty common sense, like a fucked feeling trigger or a pump that binds up.

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>>34790049
>tfw he fell for this

>>34790389
it's called poopposting dad

>>34787768
Absolutely hadime

>tfw just ordered this

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>>34785229
What is it with Chinks and detachable mag shotguns!

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>>34791519

>>34791752
why

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>>34792081
why not

>>34792465
is this legal

>>34792798
If it was produced in the US yeah if you got the stamp for it but that thing would never be allowed to be imported because it doesn't have a "sporting purpose" according to the pup removal bureau.

>>34792921
can you buy me a gun for cheap

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>>34792798
It would legally be a "short barrel shotgun", which means paperwork, 200 dollars, and months of waiting.

But mechanically it'd be fucked because the piston (the shit that makes it semi auto) is below the barrel, inside the handguard.

Saiga 12 and related shotguns are much better suited to being modified to be super short.

>>34792990
Show me a lever action shotgun

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>>34792944
Will i be repaid with your boi pussy?

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>>34792944
okay
here
reach into the computer screen and pull it out

>>34793011
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=lever+shotgun

>>34793031
HOLY SHITTTTTTT

I think I'll buy this

>>34788638
Get a .25 ACP pocket pistol.

>>34789534
Florida is full of gunshops and guns.

>>34789488
This. Modern Turkroach shit is good bang for your buck, especially if you want an autoloader.

>>34796379
But then I'd be supporting roaches that support daesh

>>34796389
I can't see how you'd be okay with supporting the Chinese if you can't stomach the thought of giving roaches money.

>>34796379
Haven't handled any of their semi's, but the pump-action 12 gauge I handled was comfy.
https://www.gotenda.com/shop/firearms/shotguns/churchill-tactical-pump-full-stock-shotgun-12ga/

>>34796471
I'm gonna pick up a used Hatsan Escort PS tomorrow. Gonna be interesting to see how reliable it is with different loads. Mostly gonna use it for hunting using slugs.

forget that turkroach crap. haberer, uzkon and co. may look better than norinco. but on the inside its the same shit. had a kebap under and over, which allowed to fire even with safety on when the trigger was pulled. if you want something that gives a lot bang for the buck buy a baikal. ugly but rugged and: it works properly.

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>>34796631
I have heard nothing but praise for shotguns made by Hatsan.

>had a kebap under and over, which allowed to fire even with safety on when the trigger was pulled

I guess all shotguns made in Italy are garbage because the original safety on the SPAS-12 is utterly unsafe.

>>34785274
It's the printer ink / razor blade cartridge model of firearms manufacturing

>>34787478
centerfire systems should be getting a shipment of 5 round mags,