SIG Btfo: P320 Failing Drop Tests. Omaha Outdoors halting sales

>>34784957
>According to their description of the testing, three of the four pistols had also been torture tested to varying degrees prior to the drop tests.

Well it looks like the broke the guns doing dumbshit, and now they don't function safely.

You heard it here first folks, don't throw your gun at a tree or submerge it in the ground then shoot it without cleaning it if you want it to remain drop safe.

>>34784992
>Sig reps already out on damage control
Nice try

>>34784992
It's reassuring to know these guns are unsafe after a little bit of abuse.

Say it with me: NOT A SOLDIER'S PISTOL

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It was only a matter of time, we all knew there were going to be disastrous failures.

>>34785014
I don't own Sigs or work for them. I am an HK guy, but it is fun watching all of the butthurt Glock and S&W fanboys throw a shit fit over a superior gun beating out their gun in the military trials.

>>34785016
> little bit of abuse.

Thats a "little" bit of an understatement don't you think? Torture testing is stupid and does nothing to show how guns perform under duress.

>>34785034
I'm just enjoying watching exetershit get its comeuppance. The quality of sig shit is dropping sharply.

>go to brownland
>get kill
>fall over
>pistol shoots brown person
It's a feature!

>>34784957
>>34785014
>>34785016
>>34785024
>one p320 had been launched 50 ft in the air
Not only are their tests unscientific, they also abused the fuck out of them and could still only find 1 very specific angle in which the drop would lead to a drop fire.

They were trying to prove a point not provide us with usable data or a fair analysis

Whatever you think of the Glock or the Sig, the MHS competition was not conducted properly.

>>34785034
>I don't own Sigs or work for them
That's exactly what someone who did own sigs and/or worked for them but also wanted to defend them would say

begone shill

>>34785068
>damage control: the post

>>34785084
>let's ignore legitimate failures in the testing and call people pointing out logic shills
Whew lawd. So does that make you a glock shill?

>>34785016
Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realize you're retarded soldier ass beats your guns with a rock just because.
Don't kid yourself Johnny, the lot of you are Not hardcore.

>>34785125
nothing concerning about sig discharging when being dropped. Let's watch katie perry videos and go to sleep.

>>34784992
Lol dumb nigger.

The one they launched put of the trebuche was the only one that wouldn't fire when dropped.

Did you even watch the video. I mean I knew nigs couldn't read so I'm not surprised your lack of comprehension is on the same level.

Gtfo here SIG shill

>>34784992
Three of four. The one that didn't go off was torture tested. One that did go off was factory new. It had nothing to do with the previous testing.

Watch the video.

>>34784992
Your company is shit, kys.

Did nobody in here watch the video? The reason it goes off is because the trigger keeps traveling backword once the gun hits the ground.

SIG just has to install the tab triggers they developed with the gun, then likely removed because some jew bean counter found it'd save $2 on each firearm.

>>34785076
t. Glockfag

https://youtu.be/ch7si_VQsGA?t=66

SIG are dumbasses, it's obvious it was gonna happen. With Glock safe-action triggers, there's no way a drop would push the small lever on the trigger.
Hammerless + match trigger = retard alert

>>34785185
Oh, so if they do this simple modification its safe again and not indicative of the desperate cost-cutting on Sig's part at the compromise of the design as a whole

When I get an HK I know I'm getting something overbuilt as fuck that's going to survive WW3

>>34785185
>>34785202
>>34785214
>Only fires from one specific strike angle
>Slightly lighter trigger shoe model doesn't
>Unspecified amount of abuse done to them prior to drop tests

>>34784992
But I can do all those things with my Glock and my Hipoint... and still remain drop safe. Sig is shit.

>>34785245
>One of the pistols is new yet fires when dropped
>shilling for sig this hard

>>34785084
Yeah, fuckoff neckbeard contrarian, there is no shill here, just haters.

>>34785245
>Sig
>handling failure with stride
>ever
C'mon man. Admit that this should be addressed and the issue should be resolved by Sig at their expense.

Does it really pain your ego that much to admit that the company you fanboy over produced something with a flaw? You'd rather pretend that it doesn't exist than address the elephant in the room in order to fix it? Pull the fingers out of your ears and talk about how you plan to rectify the issue.

>>34785265
>still this mad the Army didn't pick Glock you have to cherry-pick flaws from an unscientific source

>>34785275
This is exactly something a shill would say

>>34785286
He didn't say anything about Glock

>>34785286
I preffer da/sa, you have no power over me.

>>34785286
shill shoo shoo go away you're clearly loosing here. Your vatnik defense "whataboutism" won't work here faggot.

Watched the video. Own some sig stuff. Own some other stuff. Call me not surprised that a gun with 'the safety is dont-pull-the-trigger' can drop fire if dropped just right.

Basically the tests showed that if you drop a p320 at just the right angle and the trigger gains enough momentum (mass x velocity) it can fire on a sudden stop.

This shouldn't surprise anyone. More interesting is that all the standard tests don't account for this. How many guns pass standard tests but fail specific instance tests (or popular mods make the gun unsafe in surprising ways).

The video convinced me that in a p320 a lighter trigger is a good thing in all cases but a lighter trigger pull makes the gun less drop safe.

Not BTFO, but interesting.

>>34785288
Lol, you guys are fucking children. I guess when you have no job, and no girlfriend or future in general you find battles on the internet to fight.

>>34785349
You are responding to someone different, or is everyone that disagrees with you a shill?

I bought a p320 Way before it was adopted by the military.
It was cheap as fuck and ive had absolutely no problems with it and I've put probably over 1000 rounds through it. It hasn't jammed or failed to fire once and its ergos fit my sausage hands perfect.
Did they start making them worse or something? Did the production quality go down once they got the military contract? I seriously don't understand the hate. Its a solid gun that's cheap. Its not a fucking fnx or a USP but wtf?

>>34785286
enjoy shooting yourself in the taint

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>>34785398
>losing
>calls people children with no jobs, future, or gf
K, well I'll just quit my job, and go tell my gf I have no future so she should just leave me.

Sig should address this. Don't let you fanboyism cause to you to be so obtuse. I think I've had 5 Sigs and have liked it all but I'm not about to pound my fists and say they are all without flaw just because they're Sig.

I think I changed my mind. SIG fan bois are worse than Glock fags.

Just an observation from an HK whore.

>>34785016
Didn't know soldier purposely launch pistols 50ft into the air.

>>34785370
Plus Army P320s have a manual safety, so this testing is completely irrelevant to that version.

>>34785198
>>34785198
They completely fucking skipped the second stage of testing to adopt the sig.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGI2H0EjDTw

>>34785166
Exeter shit is so bad that torturing it makes it more reliable.

>>34785484
They determined that an extra round of testing would waste a ton of time and money to find nothing new and still wouldn't change anything about the 60% price increase of going with Glock.

>>34784992
>They also torture tested so nanna nanna booboo
Are you trying to imply they don't torture test all guns, and that the p320 was some strange case? Because that's stupid

did the fuckers test any other gun the same way?
triggers have mass, of course they will fire if it gains enough momentum and hits the ground, but why is that a sig problem?
only fix for that is shitty heavy trigger pulls, or safeties like 1911 beavertail, or glock trigger safety.

as usual, striker guns are shit, buy sa/da

>>34784957
>So this is the power of exetershit

cripes

like glock would do any better ?

did you read about their drop test ? at a specific angle to hit the slide

>>34785068
The army abused the fuck out of m9s. I think you seriously underestimate a dumbass privates ability to cause catastrophic failures

>>34785507
>literally havent worked out the wear and service intervals of the guns.

they have no fucking clue how much it will cost, since they skipped that testing stage

>>34784992
Actually it has nothing to do with that, it's just the way the trigger is made. Safety features could easily be implimented if one desired it.

>>34785474
You have never been deployed, i'd imagine

>>34785525
It's not a 60% increase.

>>34785507
I will love to see them maintaining that price after steyr is done wining the lawsuit for the patent infringement

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>>34784957
>they thought trigger safety is useless

So, why weren't other brands tested in the same fashion? I'm not denying that that is an issue. The presenter in the video commented it was the trigger actuating at that angle, the lighter trigger did not in 50 drops. So why not test other guns to see if this is a lapse in design or just a test that needs to be conducted as well?

>>34785507
The second round of testing has been done on every single firearm adopted by the US military. This stuff includes arctic testing, 20k round endurance testing as well as other tests. The beretta 92 fired 30k during the endurance testing in the fucking 1980's, the 320 only went through 12k rounds.


>Key people ( Sig Sauer) Ron Cohen (CEO and President)
>(((Cohen)))
>pistol completely skipped second round of testing
really activates my almonds.

Doesn't matter bro it's MODJULAR just replace the blocker and gtg OHH RAH

>>34785558
>other guns have a trigger safety
Gee Billy, I wonder.

>>34785245
>>Only fires from one specific strike angle
One of most dangerous from accidental discharge bullet trajectory point of view BTW.

>>34784957
Looks like Glocks PR campaign is in full swing.

>>34785620
D E F L E C T I O N

I was going to buy a 320 but I'll pass now. Fucking dropped.

>>34785442
No, not really.

I've owned several different models, manufacture years and generations. of p320s. They are all about the same in quality since the beginning with some models being awesome like the X5 I bought. I've never owned any semi auto where all around lock up was so tight there is no rattle from the gun.

Not the magazine, slide to frame or FCU, fucking fit so tight I was actually impressed.

>>34785560
>low use, low priority weapon system
>Implying modern pistols need that kind of extensive testing
>Implying any issue that far past routine depot maintenance is necessary

I'm stunned at the number of exetershills on here defending the fucking gun shooting after being dropped. You motherfuckers are insane to defend this. It's like you enjoy being shot.

>2017
> making not drop safe guns

Just fuck my shit up senpai

>>34785671
>Army version has a manual safety anyways
>HURR SUCK GLAWK SHULDA WUN!

>>34785695
>you can't drop gun with safety off

>>34785695
Don't be obtuse just to protect your ego

>>34785695
Again, no mention of Flock in that post

Holy he'll SIG y'all need some shill training from Soros

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>>34785643
>it's okay to adopt a worse service pistol than the one we currently have,that has been in service for 30 years, and passed significantly more testing because it's its CURRENT YEAR +2 and modern pistols don't need that testing despite not be drop safe
>>34785695
>>34785482
having a manual safety doesn't make it okay for the gun not to be drop safe.

>look at this problem about *gun*
>LOL *other gun* FANBOIS ASS MAD ABOUT THEIR INFERIOR CHOICE LOLOL XDDD SO BUTTHURT LMAO
what are you people fucking 12?

>>34785484
Bartocci is a liar.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/07/09/mhs-failure-sig-vs-glock-depth-analysis/

>>34785513
You do realize just about all striker guns other than the have trigger safeties, and many have manual safeties right?

>>34785719
>M9
>Better than the P320
>Never actually had more than 10k rounds fired through an individual pistol in testing

>>34785629
>glock loses horribly
>suddenly a smear campaign appears against sig

Yeah there is some deflection going on.

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>>34784957
>Ron J. Cohen has been President and Chief Executive Officer of Sigarms, Inc. since April 1, 2005. Mr. Cohen joined Sigarms, Inc. in December of 2004. Previously, Mr. Cohen has served as Chief Operating Officer of SIGARMS, and prior to that was General Manager of Kimber Manufacturing, from its inception on the East Coast in 1996. Born in the USA, Mr. Cohen is a graduate engineer from the Technion, in Haifa, Israel, and served as a combat field commander in the Israeli Army.

HMMMMMMMM

>>34785076
Sig was the only gun that meet requirements.

>>34785776
If the glock didn't meet the requirements, why was it one of the last two pistols in the trial?

>>34785761
>loses horribly
>passes all tests despite not even being modular
Not even a Glock guy but this was a terribly-managed test, both for SIG winning and Glock getting as far as it did

>>34785788
Presumably as a control.

>>34785719
>>34785763
>Jews work in the firearms industry
And yet Sig is delivering the same number of pistols as Glock was promising at 60% higher initial delivery cost.

It's a fucking irrelevant detail, /pol/.

>>34785442
>I seriously don't understand the hate.
Sig beat Glock to the contract. That's literally the entire cause of ass-devastation for the P320

>>34785763
This is why /k/ hates them so much. Its because you are just a bunch of but hurt stormfags.

>>34785788
The same way it met the FBI contract

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>>34785808
>>34785815
Jesus, are you guys honestly incapable of admitting that maybe there is an actual issue that Sig should address with further studies and if there is found to indeed be an issue, resolve that for their customers?

>>34785791
>cost 50% more
>doesn't actually fulfill all they army requirements
>doesn't perform better

Glock lost horribly, the sooner you accept it the sooner you can begin the grieving process.

>>34785761
>you hate us, you are anal devastated, and you absolutely love glocks because I said so
How to make more people hate sig: the post
Are you guys even real persons

>>34785842
>"issue" no one was concerned about until glock lost

Really makes me think.

>>34784957
>>34784992
FBI and Dallas PD contracts have already been terminated before Omaha. This is a known issue for which the Army is grasping at repairs.

The gun is trash.

>>34785864
I own neither glocks or sigs but it looks like I hit the nail on the head.

>>34785875
Everyone thought it was funny when Glock lost. It stopped being funny when it became clear the Army adopted something that very well may be a lemon.

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>>34785875
I don't even know why I'm trying to reason with you. I don't think you're bright enough to understand the implications of knowing that your firearm might not be drop safe and not doing anything about it.

But go ahead, just blame it on Glock.

>>34784957
LONG LIVE THE M9A3
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I don't even like glocks but all these butthurt sig fags make me want to buy one.

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>>34785245
>Unspecified
>Video literally specifies
It's like you just can't admit that even a $1k snob pistol can have faults

>>34785893
>FBI and Dallas PD contracts have already been terminated

>>34784992
t. Sig shill

Sig P320 is fucking garbage and you know it, nigger

>>34785906
>I don't even know why I'm trying to reason with you

Because you can't stand being wrong on the interwebs.

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>>34785108
Legitimate failures in the test? Like Sig's failure?

>>34785286
>unscientific
I don't give a shit if the test was conducted by Bill Nye or fucking Billy Bob, if it drops and fires it's an unsafe pistol you fucking Sig shill

>>34785939
>being wrong
Here's your (You)

I'll just leave this here...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGI2H0EjDTw

Excellent. Bring on the price drops.

>>34785935
>P320 is shit
>Glock loses to it, meaning it's even worse

Didn't think that through did you Glock shill?

>>34785808
Damn, I forgot the only alternative to Sig is Glock and a glaring safety issue that many sub-$500 pistols don't have isn't a reason for concern

>>34784957
The sig 320 passed the Massachusetts Strict safety tests before being approved. Passed 3ft drop, passed 6ft drop, and passed the 15ft drop. Along with all other safety tests. FYI Glock is still considered not safety compliant. If the retard liberals in my state approved it, than it's safe. Nice try Glock fags.

>>34785723
>what are you people fucking 12?
12 inches deep in sigfags moms lol

I can't decide if SIG fags are shills or actually just poor fags who can't afford another gun.

>>34785981
I don't own a Glock lmao, keep grasping at straws thought it's cute

>>34785981
Watch the goddamn video you fucking mongoloids

>>34785966
>>34785966
>>34785966
>>34785966

>>34785921
>Dropping pistols in a batch of four, fires at a specific angle from an above average height, with the "Test" being conducted by uneducated Glockenschpiel shills, after abuse has occurred to

>BUT GUYS, PEOPLE WHO DO AR MUD TESTS PROVE THE AR, AK, FAL, G3,... FUCKING EVERYTHING UNDER THE SUN THAT HAS "FAILED" PROVES THAT NO WEAPON SYSTEM IS PERFECT ENOUGH TO MEET THE VERY SPECIFIC COMBAT SITUATIONS ILL BE IN WHEN SHTF WHEN IM FORCED TO USE MY SIDEARM AS A BOOMERANG TO DISARM SAND NIGGERS IN THE HEART OF BATTLE FOR MUH WAIFU. UNLESS WERE TALKING ABOUT GLOCK BRAND GLOCK PERFECTION.
>LOL XD
>SIG FINISHED AFTER STYER AND GLOCK SUES SIG, NOT THAT EVERYBODY THAT HAS EVER LOST AN MILITARY PROCUREMENT CONTRACT GETS MASSIVELY BUTTHURT

>>34786007
You're the kind of idiot that defends mud tests as the peak of scientific testing. Poverty has nothing to do with the equation.

>>34786025
>Muh Cock purfection
>Muh soldiers bust

Who the hell is this faggot and why the hell should anybody care?

>>34785245
>watches video that clearly BTFO's his precious pistol
>THE GUNS WEREN'T NEW ENOUGH
>THE TESTS WEREN'T SCIENTIFIC ENOUGH
Shoot yourself in the head you fucking retard. You are the cancer.

>>34786030
Holy shit this is gold.

What does you being a poor fag/SIG shill have to do with mud tests you stupid nig? I mean Sig......Ohhhhh burner bruhv

Butthurt much?

Just admit there is a fault I the p320 and SIG should step up and address the problem. It gets much easier after that.

>>34785719
>save millions upon millions of dollars by picking sig sauer over glock in mhs
>buh buh muh jews!!

>>34785949
>unspecified amount of "improvements" made to the gun
>Don't know if it had Apex parts, someone fucked with the sear, etc.
>Required 4 separate drops in sequence to get it to "fire"
uh huh
yeah, definitely "legitimate"

Awful strange that this video gets made (((coincidentally))) right after MHS winner is declared and that after three years of P320 ownership, this is the first anyone's heard of it going off when dropped

smells like bullshit

>>34786084
>bruhv
go back to your fifth period, freshman

>>34786090
Alex Jones, pls kys

>>34786090
Or you know. Maybe all the gear queers and fur fags finally heard about the gun after the .mil awarded them the contract. Thus creating higher demand/ownership of said pistol. Now that the sample size of ownership is greater, there is aalso a higher probability of finding unforseen failures and short comings.

Nvm, it's probably just Glocks fault.

>>34784957
Hahahahahahaa Glocktards absolutely butt burned still. I watched the 1000 rounds in 13 minutes for the 320. Color me impressed. That rarely happens with me because I love my fuddy five. First glocktards cry about the FNX than they cry about the VP9, now the Sig 320. My sides are in orbit.

>>34786090
Alright retard, buy a brand new SIG and drop it 10 times at that angle with live ammo loaded. Don't forget to film yourself.
I dare you, you stupid shill. Of course you wouldn't do it, you'd be shitting your pants, it would more than likely fire 10 times.

>>34786088
>choosing a product that is faulty because it's cheaper
that's pretty jewy

>>34786084
>HEY GUYS IAN AND CARL MUD TEST AN AK AND FOUND IT PERFORMED LIKE SHIT
>That's it, Putin says with a sneer, I'm done is Izhazzmash, we're shitcanning the AK74M, AK12, fucking everysingle fucking derivative under the sun, we're adopting Swords because they're the perfect weapon, infallible in every aspect, and we're going to make sure not a single person ever uses it again

The idea, dipshit, since logic isn't apparantly a curriculum in Kindergarten, is that two fucksticks dropping guns, with highschool deplomas, testing FOUR Pistols that apparantly had been modified, some abused, were tested in uncontrolled circumstances, that failed in a VERY specific instance, WITHOUT engineers on site THAT HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE of such testing, who can also determine the cause of failure, who may very well have a bias.

These tests are as scientific as Mormons are who only followed the fuckface, whos only claim to legitimacy was, "Because I said so."

>>34786100
Is that as close as your gonna come to admitting a fault then?

So is this the average iq of a SIG owner?

How's it feel being more retarded than a "freshman"?

>>34786142
>let us take and soend as much tax payers money
Also seems jewy

Seems like an easy and cheap fix to me. Benefits of modular design.

>>34786131
>buy a brand new SIG and drop it 10 times at that angle with live ammo loaded
when the fuck does any pistol get dropped from 4 feet 10 times in sequence without having the sear reset?

I don't own a P320 but in around 20 drops, my 226 has never fired

if you abuse a gun in a specific enough way, any pistol will fail. What you retards don't seem to get is that the pistol was dropped 4 sequential times at the exact angle required to move the sear just a little bit each time.

When was the last time you dropped your pistol four times in a row at the exact same angle? Never, because it doesn't happen.

>A HURR DURR IT'S JUST A SPECIFIC ANGLE DUUUUUUUUUUR
It's also literally the angle that the gun would fall at if you let it dangle from your finger and dropped it. The heaviest part of any pistol is the top back part of the grip because that's where the receiver and bullets meet.

Dumb fucking retards ITT I swear to Buddha.

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>all the SIG fanboys claiming that their weapon is perfect and this is all a conspiracy
>none of them have the balls to load ammo in their pistols and do the drop test at that angle and post the video here
>mfw
Really shows how much you trust the gun, faggots

>Not a Soldiers Gun
>And Never will be
>Glock
Fucking Precious

>>34786156
>not only an anally annihilated Sigfag but ALSO a booty blasted AKfag
Glorious

>>34786025
>http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/07/09/mhs-failure-sig-vs-glock-depth-analysis/

>>34786157
>What does you being a poor fag/SIG shill have to do with mud tests you stupid nig? I mean Sig......Ohhhhh burner bruhv
Your post was an abomination

>>34786183
Yeah and the same test concluded by TAG was b.s. too.....

Mirite?

>>34786183
>but muh number of times hurr durr
>I can't defend my shit gun so I'll just say that muh number of times isn't realistic
>I'll use reddit spacing just in case
You should go back to where you came from, twat. I only said 10 times to increase the chances of a SIG retard shooting himself by 10.
Do it once retard, I dare you. C'mon don't be a pussy, get your precious SIG and do it.

>>34786156
/thread

>>34785108
the failure may be "legitimate" however you chose (or didn't) to define that, but the tests themselves were not.
they could have taken file to the interiors for all they cared.

>>34786234
>Reminder that ubersafe glawks are responsible for a massive number of police self-injuries over other models

>>34784992
>Sig fag being this butblasted

>>34785733
testing was unscientific and thus not valid
however, that doesn't mean that it should be ignored

instead, someone should repeat the test with better controls and new (or at least not torture tested) guns to determine if the Omaha test was indicative if a real problem that Sig needs to address, or a fluke caused by unscientific tests

FUCK
all this fucking posturing and shill and fanboy accusations and nobody has a moderate and level headed response

>>34786247
>still not doing it
Thx for proving that you're a massive faggot and that you don't trust your shit pistol.

>>34786234
and yet were anyone to do that and their gun not go off, these retards would cry "W-WELL ONE SIG FAILING IS STILL TOO MANY"

Military Industrial Complex here:

SIG has the contract because they did whatever bullshit the Army asked them to do and did it at half the cost of Glock Perfection. If the Army wants to impose a new requirement on the gun they just bought because of a YouTube video, then the Army will have to pay for it on a contract mod. because SIG did not include a "money back guarantee".

It's funny how rump roasted normies get over defense contractors when it is DOD that sets the requirements and signs the dotted line for procurement.

>>34786257
didn't mean to link any posts

>>34786257
it does mean they should be ignored.
they could have left abrasive material (eg silt, clay sand) inside the action while test firing, which could cause any number of failures in every firearm.
we don't know because they didn't document all the tests they did or do them in a repeatable way

>>34786269
Well, you have the buttblasted glawksuckers on one side who can't accept reality, then on the other you have those who'll hate any choice the military makes and will rage and scream about them just because they assume it had to be a corruption scheme.

>>34786258
>implying i'm going to scratch and dent my pistol to appease a retard on the internet
yeah no thanks, fuck you
don't buy a 320
more SIGs for me

>>34786283
This'll be the new extreme dust test style screaming point, this thread's already showing it.

>>34786283
that just invalidates their results, it doesn't make this not an interesting issue

the gun buying public would be better served by new tests

>>34784957
Not MIL-STD-810G, don't give a fuck

>>34786297
Nice excuses, faggot. Just admit that you wouldn't do it out of fear of shooting yourself. It's ok, I know SIG diehards are retarded, but they can't be THAT retarded to actually risk their lives for their shit pistols.

>>34786257
>however, that doesn't mean that it should be ignored
yes, it does.
I'm in GLP testing. EVERYTHING is documented. if it's not, the whole study is thrown out.

you don't just get to make a claim about something using shit protocol, no SOP, and zero documentation.

Not using the scientific process makes anything you tried to prove invalid
No one has seen the internals of the pistol; for all we know, the firing pin drop safety could have been completely removed. Nothing was documented like the round count, condition, and the gun wasn't detail stripped before and after. They didn't prove anything other than their ability to fuck up a product test

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Why so sauer, Sigfags?

>>34786343
It seems like a legit enough concern m8. As evidence it's dogshit, but not doing further testing in a more organised manner would be kind of retarded.

>>34786327
>MIL-STD-810G
Oh fuck, not one of you faggots who thinks that mil standards are anything special...

>>34786183
In a military setting when you're being shot at and you keep slipping because all the mortars and shit are popping off and your falling from one floor of a building to another floor. Luckily your gear keeps you from getting crushed or seriously injured because it's been tested to do that but SORRY CHARLIE THE SIG SHOT YOU IN THE BRAIN


Who cares the circumstance you nigger, it failed it failed it failed. Get a gun that's drop safe, people who eat crayons are going to be handling this gun and being all kinds of retarded with it, it has to be gorilla proof. Fuck it, give everyone hipoints

>>34786337
>"do something dangerous"
>"OOOOH HAHA WHAT, SCARED OF GETTING HURT PUSSY?"
>It's ok, I know SIG diehards are retarded
I'm not a SIG diehard. I prefer the VP9 and even the G19 to the 320, but the test was incredibly unscientific and proved literally NOTHING

>>34786363
Do you honestly believe the military bought $400,000,000 worth of pistols without dropping a few of them?
MIL-STD drop testing is 4ft drop onto a metal plate and 10 foot toss-and-slide frisbee test on concrete.
None failed these tests

>>34786343
It is a striker fired gun without a trigger safety, I don't understand how nobody saw this coming, it's not rocket science

>>34786343
Shhh anon you're hurting their feeling with your logic. How dare you demand the bare minimum of impartial evidence before coming to a conclusion. That means you must be some sort of shill!

>>34786367
>Luckily your gear keeps you from getting crushed or seriously injured because it's been tested to do that but SORRY CHARLIE THE SIG SHOT YOU IN THE BRAIN

This is ludicrous and completely stupid.

> sig quality control

https://youtu.be/LuPOqDlaX6U?t=67

>>34786380
So is giving a bunch of highschool dropouts a gun that isn't drop safe

>>34785875
This is it in a nutshell. Nobody cared about P320 until Glock failed the trials, suddenly P320 is the worst gun to ever exist. Ridiculous

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>>34786376

>>34786386
>One test without any knowledge of the protocols or the rigor levels of testing, and they had to engineer a specific drop to get it to happen

>>34786375
>"do something dangerous"
>admits that simply dropping his shit SIG is dangerous
Ha haahahahahahahhaahahahahahahahahah

>>34786367
Let me ask you a question. If you dropped a Glock nose-down onto a dowel in such a way that it operated the trigger, would you say it was drop-safe or not?

>>34786375
I don't think anyone's arguing if they passed scheduled testing, but possibly the testing is inadequate.

>>34786390
>thinks the safety make it okay to not be drop safe.
I'm concerned by the mere possibility that you could own firearms, you are the kind of moron that think it's okay to muzzle everybody in the room because the safety is on.

>>34786405
If I dropped a Glock and a finger like object pulled the trigger is not equivalent

Nothing pulled the Sig's trigger

>>34786419
So all surfaces are flat now?

>>34786410
>Implying that it's actually been proven to not be drop-safe in tests that are actually rigorous and based on real-world usage.

>>34786435
Did the sig fall on a dowel?

>>34785442
Sig won, Glock lost, the salt has since flowed.

That said, this IS an issue for a gun that is likely to be dropped and abused by the military. I wonder if this can still happen with the safety on? Does the safety block the pin, or just block the trigger?

>>34785522
I like Berettas, too bad they cant compete with $210/gun or whatever the final price was. A Beretta 92 compact with updated flush higher-cap mags would have been great.

>>34785982
This, there are plenty of guns at around $300 that are reasonably drop-safe. Shield, for instance. Even at $500 there are M&Ps or XDMs, or CZ P10s or whatever the new one is. All guns MAY go off if dropped, but if one is notably more prone to go off when dropped that is a serious issue, especially when given to one of the largest concentrations of young men in their 20s on the planet.

>>34786436
It has been proven enough to make it a serious concern and expect sig to come with a response.

>>34786442
It would also fail that test. Keyword there is also.

Bottom line, the testing is shit. Trigger inertia is a known factor that isn't being tested for. Instead of just literally dropping the thing, the testing should include being clamped onto a sliding rail at an appropriate angle, and actually finding this shit out.

That's what we've learned here.

>>34786464
Dude, stop derailing thus shit show with logic. Just keep stoking the fire you idiot!

>>34786464
I'm fine with Glock failing the test, but two failures does not mean sig gets a pass, it means we need to keep looking. Me not approving of the sig being unsafe does not mean the Glock gets a pass.
>But we're already using the Glock which is unsafe
And signing a multi-billion dollar deal for a gun that is still unsafe is not a good idea

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>>34784957
>SIG faggots on damage control
Glourious

Alright guys. I just did some rigorous testing with my p320 and dropped it from 1500 feet a total of 85 times and it didn't fire once.

This proves it's drop safe

All the people claiming it isn't drop safe=BTFO

My test was legit, trust me

>>34786435
>drop SIG in gun range
>get shot
Kek. SIG fanboys gripping their guns a lot harder after this thread.

>>34786496
>ironical damage control
>reddit spacing
Try harder, fagtron

>>34786487
Lighten the trigger and it's apparently fine. Easy fix.

Signing multi-billion $ deals based on shitty testing - I'm guessing on this part - cooked up by some fucking rando just after WW2 who wanted to hold onto his 1911 is exceptionally stupid.

>>34785420
for glockfags everyone disagreeing with them is a shill

it also happe nwith CZfags and that sebenza guy

>>34786030

You forgot to add "fires 100% of the time in most models when dropped at a certain angle and from a reasonable height".

>>34784957
Do soldiers even get to carry handguns loaded?

>>34786464
Is that something that really requires much testing? It's purely a thing of trigger weight, once they figure out the sweet spot (probably 8-10# if we go off how double-action triggers are preferred) all they need to do is test the the trigger for its weight and it'll either pass or fail.

>>34785034
>Thats a "little" bit of an understatement don't you think?
Watch OP's video. A gun which wasn't torture tested still had this same problem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch7si_VQsGA

>>34785068
>>Not only are their tests unscientific, they also abused the fuck out of them
Watch OP's video. A gun which wasn't torture tested still had this same problem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch7si_VQsGA

>unscientific
They dropped the gun, it went off. That's cut and dry.

>So much Salt from Glock fags. Glocks are still >cop killers. Sigs jump out of your hands and >shoot you. Sigfags eternally btfo. Maybe liberals >are right about guns shooting people. Maybe we >should ban all guns.
Your all a bunch of retards, look what your doing. Think long and hard about all the ammo you freely handing over to the Gun Grabbers. Fucking Idiots. No fucking shit guns are dangerous.

>>34786142
>didnt pick my fanboi brand
>let us continue spending yur tax dollars on more mhs tests so we can argue about marginal benefits on the internet!!
>its ze jews at sig that did dis!!!

Do you even have two braincells to rub together? No, you dont. Now shoo

>>34786642
>They dropped the gun, it went off. That's cut and dry.
At a weird angle you'll likely never see in real usage.

>>34786390
the p320 they used in the OP article didn't have a manual safety
did you look at it?

>>34786674
Which is why this shit is fucking irrelevant to the damn MHS.

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>>34784957
>2017
>finally replace the standard issue sidearm after 30+ years of service
>pick a drop unsafe memegun

THE ABSOLUTE MADMEN

Maybe Bubba should wipe that bacon grease off his hands before handling a firearm. He won't drop it as much.

>>34786685
>Implying it's actually not drop safe
>Implying the army didn't test that

>>34786619
You can either increase the pull or decrease the physical mass of the trigger, so some testing would be needed to get it right. More to the point if the testing was required, people would have to think about it. No test = no thought = this situation.

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>>34785165
>implying niggers can afford Sigs.

That would be Glocks. Glocks are nigger-tier.

>>34786698
>goes off on three out of four times when dropped under a specific angle
>YOU DIDNT USE THE MILSPEC BRAND MILSPEC TESTING PROCEDURES, THAT MEANS IT'S DROP SAFE NANANANA I CAN'T HEAR YOU

Better hope the gun only drops in a standardized way in real life, then, bub.

>>34786734
Good point, there is the consideration of stages and length. What would be ideal? I'd figure a long travel that is as consistent as possible, starting at full weight and not changing until the break.

>>34786743
Glocks are more expensive than the P320

>>34786765
Soldiers are trained not to drop their firearms. FYI drop a Glock enough times it will go off also. All mechanical devices will fail at some point, it's never 100%.

>>34786785
Wouldn't really matter, the consideration would be "does it fire if subjected to shoulder-height-drop equivalent forces at the worst possible angle". Personally I'm shocked these fuckers aren't jammed into a standard impact-test rig at all angles, just to see if anything's amiss.
Fucking scary m8, drop test lel.

>>34786809
Nope paid 450 for my G17, paid 650 for my standard 320.

>>34786890
So you overpaid, well done. The gubmint is getting a better deal than you.

>>34786857
Yeah I dunno why they have lanyards on their pistols or slings on their rifles.

I mean they train am not to drop am n all.

>>34786617
Loaded, safety on. or with Berettas you can have it loaded, hammer down.

Thats how US has always done it.

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>>34784957
>>34784992
>>34785034
>>34785068
>>34785245
>>34785286
>>34785370
>>34785513
>>34785695
>>34785808
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>>34786464
>>34786671
>>34786698
>>34786857

>>34786929
Civilians always get shafted moron. Glock claimed they could do it for less. So what does that mean about Glock? You did not think than one through did ya now, shut up your making us look bad.

>>34786998
lol

>>34784992
>>According to their description of the testing, three of the four pistols had also been torture tested to varying degrees prior to the drop tests.
>
>Well it looks like the broke the guns doing dumbshit, and now they don't function safely.

That shouldn't break the gun to the point of it not being drop safe anymore.

>>34786890
>gen3 clearance rack Glock
>paying more than $499 at the very most for a vanilla P320

Jesus, you really are a sucker.

>>34784957
That's what you get for having no external safety and for not choosing a superior hammer fired double single action Pistol.

>>34786960
See trained not to drop. They make every accommodation to make sure it doesn't happened. You retarded BTW or just not to bright?

>>34787011
Do you understand how the bidding process works?

Also, he wayyyyyy over payed for his P320

>>34786960
>why do cops have guns
>i mean they train to defuse violent situations amirite
Petty little bitch contrarians like you need to kys sooner. :-)

>>34787011
It's almost like the lower production numbers and several layers of middlemen, transport, and taxes add a lot to the retail price that military sales don't have to deal with.

>>34786765
If you actually read the article you would know what was different about successful drop test.

>>34787036
I been seeing them go for as much as 700. Sold out at a lot of places, you know how supply and demand works?

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>there are people right now that will defend plastic and stamped sheet metal on nothing but brand recognition

>>34787086
Saw one today for $414. Full slide, compact grip, 2 mags I think.

>>34787086
And I see people pay $650 for a Gen4 Glock 19. That doesn't mean they should.

>>34787107
Where? Probably used

>>34787126
Gen 1 glocks in Massachusetts run about 1000 bucks. People buy them because Massachusetts is a no Glock state. Supply and demand. Anon is right

>>34787129
kek, that's how much the standard vanilla P320's are going for. Anywhere from $399-499. If you're paying more than that then you're an idiot.

>>34787129
Tell a lie, $418.
https://www.fwtguns.com/p320-cmpct-fls-9mm-nit-15-1-fs
Anything over $500 and you're being fucked.

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Since nobody seems to be reading the article:

> "Omaha Outdoors attributes the problem to trigger shoes of a particular weight installed in some models of the gun. According to Tuohy, lighter trigger shoes reduce or eliminate the problem."

So were these trigger shoes stock, or custom work? Also, would the Glock/Walther/S&W trigger safety prevent this?

>>34785056
Audible kek

>>34787168
The flat trigger is existing SKU, and it sounds like they took a Dremel to one for further lightening.

>>34787168
Oh yeah, the P320 also has a trigger safety as an option.

>>34787157
Not the guy that bought one you Idiot. Glockfan did. Just saying I have "seen" them. I'm Ny-fag btw I believe that plays a factor in the price. Btw your hostel as fuck. Go for a walk.

>>34787225
Massfag, can't order anything because our AGs a cunt. Stuck paying MA prices.

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>>34787190
Guess we may not see a stock option without that feature going forward.

>>34787248
I can sympathize.

>>34786191
DO IT YOU PUSSY NIGGAS

>>34787277
More likely the opposite, if all the production is on gov contracts. Suits me fine, anything that drives prices down.

>>34787168
The hinged trigger or paddled triggers of other handguns, and even the SIG ones, likely don't have this issue. The issue with the SIG, I imagine, is a striker sear with no pretravel that is practically always engaged by the trigger combined with a light trigger pull and the lack of a paddle, or mechanical block preventing rearward motion without such a paddle being depressed. Paddleless triggers exist in the HK LEM system, but the LEM has a longer pretravel in which the trigger bar doesn't contact hammer drop sear until the very end of travel.

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>>34786998
ftfy

>>34785034
Nobody other than you mentioned Glock or S&W. For all you know those posters are HKfags. Try not to project. Maybe they all have different interests, and just actually hate the p320 fanbase? I know I do.

>>34787499
How sad is your life that you actually contemplate a specific group of gjn owners and decide you hate them? It seems like you have a severe shortage of more personally relevant things to be concerned with.

Full disclosure I'm an M&P owner so I'm used to everyone hating me, idgaf

>>34787375
kek

>>34786698
the only place that requires drop testing is california
they probably didnt bother

>>34787366
This, stikerfired guns are inherently shitty on droptests.

Uh... Sigs are so good that even if you break them they'll still fire!

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Army BTFO glock wins again

kek
P320 owner here
I thought it was overrated before this drop safety issue
It really is amusing seeing so many guys jump to defend the P320 & get mad that people found a problem with the pistol

>>34785016
NOT A SOLDIERS GUN
NOT A SOLDIERS GUN EH?
FULL LENGTH GUIDE ROD
UNRELIABLE?!

>>34787893
>Assuming it's a real problem and not just clickbait capitalizing on the MHS pick shitstorm

It's been on the market 3 years already, yet this is the first time anyone's managed to do this? Seems shady as fuck.

>>34787917
Not really. It's a very specific failure mode, you have to be either trying hard, or both incompetent and unlucky to make it happen.

>>34787917
>took 3 years to identify problem
thats how it goes sometimes mang
better to fix it now before giving soldiers a fuckload of unsafe pistols

>>34785263
>Glock
>Hi-point

I can guess your race.

>>34784992
>>34785125
Daily fucking reminder this gun is going to be used and circulated for probably 50+ years, maybe until the US fails as a state, by niggers and women. Have you seen the state of M9s after what, 30 years? If it can't stand up to the most extreme abuse then it's not safe to give to huge numbers of the ""people"" who will be carrying them.

>>34784992
Did you watch the video? The one that was the most tortured test had no drop firing, while a brand new untouched pistol showed this issue.

>>34788051
He don't need to watch no video to create a stickman. I mean, Alah be praised, he owns a Sig.

>>34788030
>this gun is going to be used and circulated for probably 50+ years

Doubtful, also that's the whole idea of using a modular design in the first place. Sig has a flappy trigger for these already, you know.

>>34787917
>It's been on the market 3 years already

Yes, and no one cared about it enough to buy it or seriously investigate its capabilities until it won the MHS contract. Go to the archive and look at what the /k/onsensus on the gun was back in 2015/2016. It was something along the lines of

>A striker-fired refit of the disastrous P250? LMFAO

When the P320 won, the board opinion did a complete 180 on the gun due to the number of tactifags this place has.

>>34785046
thats what jeppens when you start making guns out of plastic. idiots

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Will this have any impact on military adoption, or will it be glossed over in favor of moving faster?

>>34785084
i dont work for Sig. my job at Nintendo keeps me pretty busy these days.

>>34788093
>the board
I knew it was a clusterfuck the minute they announced before finishing the trials and most had reservations at best about such a hasty decision for such a relatively new system based on a level of modularity the army will never use, you like being smug to the point you will make a diffrent reality where you are some poor subjugated minority speaking against the hoards of uninformed retards.

>>34787979
>Still assuming a single, very carefully engineered drop proves its unsafe
>Forgetting the M17/18 have a manual safety

>>34787917
>It's been on the market 3 years already

You're saying that like that's a long time or something.

>>34788201
Holy shit compare, look at this run on of a sentence, really I mean you did use a bunch of commas so kudos to that, but I mean really, you are making uneducated regards look bad, you know what I mean.

>>34788093
>no one cared about it
>/k/ went from hating it to loving it

That cognitive dissonance.

>>34788247
>regards
Cool story.

>>34788247
I would say this is ironic but I fully expect an idiot like you to fuck up and not address any of my points on top of that.

>>34788236
The fact that it has a safety doesn't stop it from being a 215$ low quality, unsafe handgun that a shity company is selling at double what it's worth to the consumer.

The days when these trials reported new waves of state of the art firearms to the civilian market are long gone, now we just have lowest bidders

>>34788236
Guns discharging from being dropped on the rear is unacceptable. Its been unacceptable since the fucking 19th Century when people first started designing drop safeties like firing pin blocks and half cock notches.
The fact that Sig didn't take any considerations to prevent the trigger from being pulled by its own inertia is just a perfect example of a damn poor design.
Even Glock and S&W use trigger safeties on their lightweight plastic triggers, it's beyond me why Sig wouldn't do the same on a much heavier metal trigger.

>>34786365
That's the Army spec., you are free to submit an engineering change proposal to the spec that adds an appendix that covers "full retard YouTuber torture testing".

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Reminder that the SP2022 is the superior polymer Sig.

>>34787893
>found a problem with the pistol
Who said it was a problem? 90% of the guns out there if you drop them on the hammer it goes off. Even if you smash the Gen 1 Glocks they discharge. Guns are inherently dangerous, if your biggest fear is dropping it than maybe you should not own a firearm. The problem is not the gun, the problem is you. These safety features are for negligent people. And the people crying about it obviously rely one a multitude of safety features because they are incompetent. Imho half of you should never ever own guns because your a bunch of mentally deficient retards. You do more harm to the second amendment than further it's cause. If you like Glocks good, your a HK fan boy, More power to you. You be loving the SW MPs fantastic. You dig the Sig, great. Stop shitting up the fucking Internet with your fucking retard shit. I collect a lot of guns, I have all those and than some. Some days I like one more than the other. Depends how I feel. If I had to choose one of them to defend my life. Anyone of them will perform and work flawlessly. I just want to talk guns and you fucking faggots are ruining what should be a fun activity. Fucking KYS! Better yet buy a Sig a drop it. Fucking homos.

>>34788390
>low quality, unsafe handgun
They use to say that about Glocks....hypocrite. >plastic toy gun, blows up in your hand, won't last long.

>>34785763
(((Cohen)))

>>34788547
>90% of the guns out there if you drop them on the hammer it goes off.
literally what is a firing pin block

>>34788582
Thats why I also avoid glocks, I have no interest in any of the guns presented to this trial, that includes the glocknade, however, that is not an excuse for sig dumping this POS into the market, this is the kind of shit that forces manufacturers to recall their products.

>>34788629
Literary drop it on concrete moron. You some kind of retard? Faggot thinks he knows everything about guns, you make me fucking laugh. You think guns were invented in the last 50 years, get the fuck out here, when you get a clue you can talk with the adults.

>>34785068
>1 very specific angle

Yeah no. Ive heard of guns firing if it hits muzzle down, but this one very specific angle that you imply is no big deal IS THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN FUCKING SHOOT YOU.

>>34785632

I saw what you did there.

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>>34788694
How fucking stupid are you? A firing pin block BLOCKS the fucking firing pin, it can't be fired unless the trigger is pulled shithead. The block won't actuate to allow the firing pint to move forward unless the trigger is pulled.

>>34785068
One of the articles cited was by Andrew Tuohy. Since he does a great job in doing work scientifically, I gave it a read. His article narrowed down the failure to a drop at a specific angle on a pistol with a 'heavier' trigger. When the trigger was swapped out for one with less mass the uncommanded discharges became less frequent or stopped altogether.
https://www.omahaoutdoors.com/blog/sig-sauer-p320-fails-drop-test/

If you don't know who Andrew is, he is the guy that Fire Clean is spilling their spaghetti over.

>>34788633
Call me a Fuddy five fan boy, I still love my steel frame Colts, All these fuckers are doing is pissing into a sea of piss. It's shitting up the board with their infernal autistic screeching.

>>34786685
What the fuck am I looking at here?

I'm kinda glad the P320 is getting tested so extensively now. All Sig has to do is release the gun with tabbed safety triggers and ship these out to all P320 owners to solve the problem. This is platform is still going to do well in the civilian, military, and LEO world - it is the only one capable being a threat to Glocks.

>>34785442
>if i drop my gun and it hits the ground pointing muzzle up (which just happens to be where my chest and head are located) the trigger will continue to travel, when the rest of the gun comes to an abrupt stop, and the gun fires.

Sounds like no big deal to me. It just could possibly shoot you in the head if you drop it while drawing or knock it of a shooting bench, no biggee.

>>34788390
See >>34787051

>>34784957
Glock should have been given the contract. It's already a perfect, time-tested design.

>>34788850
You look at glock's blue label program and tell me consumers are not being ripped off for the sake of it, same goes for sig

>>34788729
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTYQUVnsvOE
Block safeties fail, if you drop them right on the hammer it can deform the plate causing it to strike the firing pin. Don't say it never happens. We had to call a ambulance for a guy at the gun range who happened to drop his revolver right on the hammer. You really should not act like a know it all. You really want to test your theory and see what happens?

>>34788788
>the only one capable of being a threat to Glock

there are PLENTY of poly pistols out there that eat into Glocks market share

M&P
Cz
Ruger
Beretta APX
Walther PPQ
H&K VP9
FN has a few too.

It's a flooded market, the Sig 320 isnt that much more of a threat than the M&P.

The assdevastated exetershits in this thread are hilarious. Loving every laugh. My fave thread of the day.

>>34786327
>The document that exists to help define adequate tests
>The document that means nothing when you claim compliance to it by designation alone

>>34784957
Why would anyone buy a SIG in 2017? Cohen has gutted that company and if the LEGION series marketing tells you anything, they want the mall ninja market.

>>34788901
>b-b-but this gun that is also known for being a lowest bidder and this older design, that could even have been manufactured before this safeties were mandatory also failed!!1!!!

That just means the p320 is as shity as those, yet, not acceptable.

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>>34785185
>backword

>>34786671
Pre-series 80 1911 designs are like this too, but that crowd of fans will concede to the designation "technically not drop safe."

>>34788958

Nah the P320 has a subcompact, compact, carry, and fullsize models for the 9mm, .40, .357 sig, and 45 ACP out already. They have competition focused models as well with the RX and X-Five models. The aftermarket is growing rapidly even though the gun is already good right out of the box. The modularity may only be useful for large agencies and organizations but the gun is pretty simpler to fully disassemble than the ones you've listed (Glock still reigns supreme in terms of fully stripping and serviceability). And finally the Sig P320 has been racking up LEO contracts like crazy in a number of states since last year not to mention the U.S. Army and DHS contracts.

I mean the Walther PPQ is my favorite of the striker fired pistols but I know it will never make a dent in military or LEO sales anywhere in the world because of the light trigger, complexity in stripping and replacing parts, and even getting spare parts themselves is a bit of a pain in the ass.

>>34788966
Gen 1 Glocks did the same thing when they first came out, they fixed it obviously. No matter how you slice it Sig still has the contract and that issue will be corrected like the early gov contract M9 slide would crack in half, Beretta fixed that. The M9 had a successful run. Better luck in 30 years. Gaston Glock will be dead, Glock may move into the twenty first century. Than again you maybe dead also, so who really gives a shit.

>>34789027
Dude I don't care about the 320, Not even defending it. The issue is block safeties will fail, all mechanical things fail. The brakes on your car will fail. Stop being a retard

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Well no shit. The fact is you can't have a striker fire gun with a light trigger and no safety and expect it to be perfectly safe. People have gotten way too comfortable with that whole "only safety I need is between my ears", well you aint gonna have shit between your ears but a big fag hole when your tricked out comp trigger striker fire gun goes off in your fucking face because you dropped it and disabled all the safety mechanisms.

They aren't a replacement for good gun handling, but they are still good to have.

I've always kind of wanted a P250 though. They are cool. I love a smooth double action only trigger.

>>34789090
It must suck to be so use to the poorfag shit that you just asume shit will fail...

Well, my cars brakes wont fail when I pull out of the dealership nor should a gun fire when dropped being new out of the box

>>34785632
>wtf I hate sig now. I'm now a jock for glock.

>>34784992
Military does retarded shit to fire arms, it wont be a problem at first but after a few years you'll hear about it

>>34789174
Poor fag Kek, Never knew Colts and FNs and HKs and Sigs were poor fag shit. Well I stand corrected. Even Glocks are poor fag shit? Well slap me silly. You know faggot unlocking guns in COD doesn't really count as owning guns in the real world right?

>>34785125
The problem is the 5th guy to get the gun when the other 4 used it as a hammer

>>34785016

NOT A SOLDIERS GUN!
NOT A SOLDIERS GUN EH?

>>34788547
Is this real? Is this deep-cover ironic fuddery?

>>34788882
Military: Factory>Delivery to Army
Retail: Factory>Distributor>Store

>>34789288
Funny you said that
I swear when I was issued my M9 someone was using it on a construction site.

>>34789318
I think all the autistic screeching got to him, I believe he just wants us to get along, at least that's what I got out of it. My second guess is it's one hell of a larp.

Tbh, if you drop your guns you deserve to get shot by them.

>>34788882
No company that stays in business just "rips people off".

>>34785966
Awesome video.

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>>34785076
>No manual safety
>Expects to win a major military contract
Glockfags so delusional.

>>34789384
Thank you

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>>34789280
sure kid

>>34789388
>Apple

>>34788901
>if you drop them right on the hammer
Literally does not apply to a glock.

>>34789323
Boi, is like you and the point are two magnets with the same pole

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>>34789408

????

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>>34789544
gib me now

>>34789532
>Hurr natural market forces of lower volume and extra middle men don't jack the price up

>>34789442
That gun is too big for your hand.

>>34789489
I been following this thread, that person never once mentioned Glock. The other guy kept bring up block safeties.

>>34789618
Hurr blue lavel program uses distributersand you can get a glock for less than 400

>>34789442
You the same anon crying a few months back about how the grip hurt you hand?

>>34789702
>Agencies that don't have to go through retail get cheaper Glocks
>Glock still can't make Mil Glocks for less than $320

>>34789742
It feels really nice with the flat backstrap, so nope.

>>34789773
My point prevails, the p320 is overpriced for its quality and (lack of) research that went into its development, glock being the same changes nothing.

>>34789801
I got a question about your fnx, when rack and take it off safe and you put a little pressure on the trigger without pulling it, you feel a little pop?

>>34789679
Yes and block safeties work as intended. The hammer is the liability since you bring up things like revolvers. A properly designed striker fired gun with a proper firing pin block and cruciform/trigger safeties implemented can be thrown out of a plane and not go off.

>>34789907
>striker fired gun
They weren't talking about striker fired pistols. Hammer fired. Anon 1 said they can fail, Anon 2 says no. Anon 1 post video of guy shot in the leg from dropping his revolver.

>>34789843
Or, you know, it's a simpler firearm to manufacture because the frames can be molded en masse easier, and the FCGs are likely easier to produce as well since they don't need to be assembled inside the receivers.

But hey, keep pretending that it isn't cheaper because of a 38 year difference in design and manufacturing advances.

>>34789861
No, I don't feel any pop, there may be the slightlest of creep but no pop

>>34789997
The first rebuttal was in response to >>34788629 which used the word hammer and immediately transitioned to including striker fired guns facing the same issues using the word glock.

>>34790154
sorry in response to >>34788547

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>the M9A3 was cast into oblivion in favor of this domestic SIG schlock

>>34785516
Yes glock would do better for several reasons. For one, it has a trigger safety that prevents rearward travel unless depressed. For two, it has a firing pin safety plunger that prevents the firing pin from contacting the primer no matter how fast or in what direction the gun is moving. You could shoot a loaded glock through a railgun and it would never ever misfire so long as the trigger wasn't pulled.

>>34790148
Could be what I'm feeling.

>>34785761
>glock fails horribly
>full size glock beats sig in both accuracy and reliability testing
>testing suddenly cut short when sig lowballs contract

GLOCK BTFO. Sigs are truly the superior weapon system.

>>34790254
>Costs 60% more for two separate models and no modular grips, can't use reflex sights natively

>>34790328
>Actual test results showed negligible difference in reliability
>Army considered the P320 technically superior
>And Glock was 60% more
That's not lowballing.

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>>34790368
>they found it superior so they cut the tests early
Yeah, no. This is going to be a hilarious lesson in why you don't let the procurement officers go with the sales reps

>>34790429
>Completed the tests needed
>Hurr didn't pointlessly stretch it out with unnecessary extra testing

I'll remind you that the only person involved with MHS calling for more testing is a VP at Glock.

>>34790480
They cut out the second cycle completely, dipshit. The Sig did exactly the same as the glock but got extra points for 'modularity' that everyone and their mother knows is never going to get used by the monkeys running the armories.

Its already have reports of frame cracking, something a second cycle would have been able to spot but they didn't 'stretch it out in your words so now people will have guns fail in the field.

Why even have trials them? Everyone just submit bids and lowest one wins, maybe Hi Point will have a contract

If people hussle now, they can flip their P320s for most of what they paid before news of this gets out widely . I wonder if the army will back out.

for those of you just joining us SIG is not BTFO but GLOCK sure was XD

>>34790558
>An extra test for endurance long past the normal depot maintenance points that would have proved nothing
>Berretta, CZ, FN, KRISS, S&W, and STI/Detonix all think the competition was fair

>>34790350
And yet, it's drop safe, unlike siggies.