Police mechs

>>34774508
What the fuck does that giant-ass mech need that riot shield for? Do any of the rioters come with guns big enough to pen its armor or the shield but not both at once? Also, the shield is way too narrow for it.

>>34774508
In all honesty not a bad idea for them. But its unlikely to happen. I feel like the cost of it would be too much for most departments.

>Or equivilant
Nah.

But what are you going to DO with them?Everything you are describing is still just frontal combat. Also no, I don't think the police should deploy murder bots.

>>34774508
Police get riot control mech.

Riot control mech is imperfect in anyway.

Why did we spend 3 million dollars so Shelly SJW could get stepped on because Lenard the LEO was playing let the bahdies hit da flow while wanking in his mech.

Great optics there bud.

>>34774508
Mech doesn't need to be that big. Just make it around 12 feet tall max. You're trying to deflect bricks, not absorb RPGs

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>>34774508
I needs to be smaller than 7 meters and have proper plating placement to cover it against smallarms and the like while still making it light and maneuverable enough.
A giant robot stepping towards a crowd that can't climb on it without getting a metallic hand swatting them out/ grabbing them will probably spook it the fuck out, so I'd assume it'd be effective.

>>34774661
>not knowing about the mega slum cities in our future

We don't need mechs. What we need for riot control is power armor. It needs to be able to take multiple hits from a .300 win mag to be truly viable though.

However even I would be scared if you needed a .338 lapua or bigger to take one down.

In all honesty I don't want our government having shit like that for use on civilians.

Just let cops bash the fuck out of BLM with riot shields and batons.

>>34774508
>Ban rail gun technology for civilian
>police have mechs
> take your guns because lol mechs
You're a fuckin communist

>>34775065
I imagined these would be used in the future for something like the mega structures in judge dredd or in mega slums like I said here >>34774970

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>>34774508

It's quite OP vs. protesters but you can't nerf a mech.

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Tank is still superior.

>>34774508
if the mech is around the size in the picture it'll be causing a lot of damage to the city it's supposed to "protect". No city will have one of these on the force if it keeps cracking sidewalks and tile, or hitting traffic signs, catching itself in electric lines and the police department has to foot the bill.

>>34775065
>le power armor
Then someone drives you over, throws a net over your head or throws a molotov at you and you fry inside your armor.

>>34774508
>Police mechs
>Not police horses with bullet resistant armor

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smol spider tanks.

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I think this is what you are looking for

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I was gonna say Appleseeds Landmates would be perfect for the job, but apparently these things are 20 feet tall according to the wikis. That might be a tad bit overkill for the job of law enforcement/riot control.

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>>34774508
is this you op?

>>34775111
>Using tanks in a city
Full fucking retard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJnXZBc6g_I

>>34775122
What if it was completely sealed with its own oxygen supply and packets of that stuff the navy has on ships to fight fires that could cover the armor if you had a Molotov thrown on you?

>>34775547
>Oxygen tanks on top of batteries needed to power the armor + equipment
Now you're overencumbered with a massive backpack of equipment on your back and toppling over will be the end of you.

>>34774575
I'd say they would be dirt cheap here in the states. It fucking podunk towns in the middle of nowhere can get their hands on strykers, then why not some government surplus mechs?

>>34774508
>intimidate criminals
The aim of the police should not be to "intimidate" anyone. A tacit implication that the only people intimidated by police militarization are criminals directly undermines the idea that people are innocent unless proven guilty, but the fact of the matter is that innocent people are killed or injured in police confrontations on a routine basis. The police need to be a tightly-integrated part of the communities in their jurisdictions, because the alternative is living in Judge Dredd but you're not a Judge. Riot control gear should only appear when there's a riot, because the optics involved with bringing it out unnecessarily only serve to alienate the community from the officers serving them. The fact that cops so readily adopt an "us vs them" mentality is sickening, and endangers everyone.

>>34774508
Police mechs indeed is the future of force in police. Especially in the riot police, American SWAT i think will go with drones as they have no obligation to take suspects alive.

>>34774508
Just fuck my pavement up, fma

>>34774661
>I don't think the police should deploy murder bots.

Too late.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Dallas_police_officers

>>34774702
>Just make it around 12 feet tall max.

Perfect size for chasing suspects down alleys and through tenements.

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police robots will never catch on people will just keep pushing them into fountains and rivers.

>>34774946
I would assume that the crowd would come up with counter tactics in about 30 seconds. Like, for instance, rioting someplace with a lot of low-hanging power lines. Even if your multi-million dollar mechanical thug is insulated, property owners are not going to be very happy if the police do $100K in damage to stop a $10K riot.

Then, what do you suppose happens when Jose and Jamal run a stolen car into the legs of one of these paragons of LE machinery? More property damage, and a monkey swarm on the fallen colossus. Followed shortly by lots of phone video of the cop piloting the thing being dragged out and executed ISIS style.

Now, lets talk about budget: how much do you suppose one of these monstrosities would cost to procure? What about annual maintenance costs? The taxpayers are going to want more return on their investment than a fucking giant robot that's intended for crowd control and sucks at it. Face it, IRL these things just don't make sense.

>>34775375
I just want to watch Patlabor 2 now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHfs6XLwe5g

>>34776140
>Then, what do you suppose happens when Jose and Jamal run a stolen car into the rows of riot police?

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>>34776037
Didn't that thing kill itself? The answer is given in Deus Ex: The 80-X Boxguard.

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>>34776186
Question: why would I want that instead of a Wiesel?

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>>34776140
>rioting someplace with a lot of low-hanging power lines
It can still operate around the area and box them in while riot police cracks down on them. Property damage happens in riots either way so.

>what do you suppose happens when Jose and Jamal run a stolen car into the legs of one of these paragons of LE machinery
It shoots the car for being aggressive towards the police. Or just holding the car down with its hand. Best case scenario, it fucking steps on it and crushes them to death. Niggers driving cars towards cops can be regarded as criminals without a problem.

>lots of phone video of the cop piloting the thing being dragged out and executed ISIS style.
You're implying the mech won't have police officers backing it up. Furthermore, the mech can easily get up and swat the swarm of monkeys with its limbs.

>Now, lets talk about budget
DARPA and Boston Dynamics don't seem to be worried about budget.

I love it how people always assume a mech is alone and static and harmless like a big target in every given situation. Think it through, dude.

>>34776203
It's a fucking box, man. It's portable and a box. Plus it self-destructs if it gets fugged.

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>>34776234
It's underarmed, overstyled, too slow and too visible. 20 to 30mm autocannon wins.
Also the Wiesel is a box too. An adorable box.

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>>34776267
>Tanks in a riot situation
Try running over all those people. That'll end well in court.
Also, molotov into hatch.

>>34774508
>cannot go through a door
>police
I don't know what practical application this has

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>>34776311
Why would I run people over? That's what the 20mm is there for! High Explosive Incendiary! Teach those rioters not to set cars on fire by setting their pulped remains on fire!

>>34776339
Only in California bruh

>>34776335
>Riots happen indoors
Ok
>Mech grabs police officers and bring them up to the windows, where they can breach from instead of using doors

>>34775065
>However even I would be scared if you needed a .338 lapua or bigger to take one down.

You scare pretty easily, don't you? A stolen Ford Fiesta is considerably bigger than a .300 WinMag bullet. Tape a brick to the accelerator, tie the steering wheel, bam! Ghetto cruise missile. Now send a dozen of these at the police line at once. And talk to your buddies down at the local mosque about arranging for a couple of trucks of peace to put in an appearance.

A high tech anime bullshit solution in search of a problem will generally fail as soon as it hits reality.

>>34775547
Immobilize it until the oxygen runs out. Easy. Or just hit it with molotovs every 5 minutes until the AFFF runs out.

>>34776267
>Underarmed
>Dual miniguns
>Vertical missile launchers
I'll agree that it looks overstyled, too slow, and too visible. But it can be easily transported to any area because it's a friggin box.

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>>34776433
You picked the wrong fucking tankette to argue against

>>34776439
Oh wow, you gotta land for the friggin thing? The box can be safely dropped from a high altitude.

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>>34776449
>high altitude
>like 12 foot drop
This isn't a Bison dude

>>34776459
>12 foot drop
More like 500-1000 feet. Get your tiny ting outta here.

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>>34774508
I think I want a Patlabor

>>34774508
What we need is powerarmor inside mascot suits. Mascots for schools, malls and theaters. Security that is always present, can take a hit from any coatgun and waves at kids durring their %99 downtime.

>>34776223
>DARPA and Boston Dynamics don't seem to be worried about budget.

They're not the municipal police departments who have to pay the ongoing costs of these things. DARPA has a budget probably bigger than some rural states, and BD is a vendor not a user.

How many patrol officers could Philly or Chiraq put on the street for the cost of buying and running one of these?

There's a reason PDs are getting rid of their 'free' MRAPS. It's a budget thing. Think it through, dude. You can get a multimillion dollar gizmo that serves only one purpose and pisses off the citizens, or you can hire 5 more officers who serve all police purposes and work year round.

>>34774508
Honestly the day mechs and power armour become available for Police would be amazing in helping SWAT deal with barricade situations.

If it's a proper full body armour then all they need to do is break the barricade and put the hands on the suspects and bam nobody dies.

>>34776565
>They're not the municipal police departments who have to pay the ongoing costs of these things.
Why wouldn't mech operation be funded by the government? It'd be beyond any state department equipment, filling the game between enforcement and military.
One mech per city would be more than enough.
Officer pay, medical expenses, and other human expenses take up most of the budget anyway. Riot equipment doesn't eat, get sick, or salary, only maintenance every couple of months.

>>34776639
>One mech per city would be more than enough.
Or one per state, which could be transported by truck/helicopter during emergencies.

>>34776186
it was given the directive to never harm humans and it realized that it's very existence would lead to skynet type shit so it killed it's self out of duty

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>the AT weaponry meme

It's countered by the APS meme m8s.

>>34776635
We already have those. Anything vaguely human-shaped with a human inside is going to have enough weak spots that lethal force is still going to be used.

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OP here, I imagined that the mechs would be like pic related and be highly maneuverable for mega slums (maybe a bit smaller). My original pic and explanation did not convey my idea very well.

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>>34775185
>tfw I will never see a mounted cop storm into a crowd unloading two M32 MGLs loaded with tear gas grenades at once

>>34774508
Or, you can buy a surplus MRAP which would be cheaper and more effective.

>>34777765
Mechs with articulated treads like that are my favorite design. Looks like this guy could hunker down to half his height and function as a tank.

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>>34777765
>>34777863

>>34775185
>police horses
>not mech horses with built in anti riot measures

>>34778062
i really want to see a horse deploy counter measures while galloping down a street chased by guided missiles.

>>34776180
such a great moive you know you sometimes wish the 80's and 90's i was part of the army or police then instead of now with all its nonsense

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>>34774508
More likely Police would get powered armor first.

short operational life would not be issue for SWAT etc. No causalities philosophy a natural fit for powered armor police.

Able to fit into buildings where police have to go without wiping stuff out.

Police mechas are stupid.

>>34775122
That's fucking retarded. As if the same couldn't be said about a human without power armor

>>34774508
>be nigger
>be stealing purse
>run into any alleyway or building to evade faggot alloycops.

>>34775828
I agree 110% though if you dealing with riots/crowds or a swat operation then that is the exception

>>34778666
Precisely, which is why it makes power armor kinda useless.

>>34774508
>>34778666
>Spending billions of dollars on R&D for "as if the same couldn't be said about a human without power armor"

Best would be an exoskeleton or extremely light and durable plate armor. Imagine 15th or 16th century plate armor, but with NIJ IV protection or greater, coming in at under 20lbs for the exosuit. Couple that with some synthetic, shock absorbing bodysuit and you're well on your way to RWDS.


Better yet, just figure out how to make the armor from Jin-Roh and field a bunch of Panzermensch.

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>>34777765
Needs a pilebunker to breach walls.
>>34777863
But rollerblades are the coolest.

>>34776639
>Why wouldn't mech operation be funded by the government?

Who do you think funds every LE agency in the country? LE is a function of government.

>filling the game between enforcement and military.

I'm assuming you meant to say gap. Anyhow, that's not a thing. LE and military are diametrically opposed in function. The purpose of LE is to keep the peace within the populace. The purpose of mil is to project national will and protect the polity from outside aggression. If you blur the lines between those functions you wind up with a dystopian authoritarian shithole.

>One mech per city would be more than enough.

In your dreams. It can't be everywhere, and it's going to be a huge manpower drain to support the thing. Or are you really proposing to send unsupported armor into an urban environment?

I don't know what hellhole you're from, deploying something like that in the US would cause riots.

>Riot equipment doesn't eat, get sick, or salary

Nor does it do all of the other daily tasks that cops do. It just takes up space and money until it gets used once every 5 years or so.

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How do you profligates feel about this?

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>>34775490
This; people underestimate just how effective urban warfare can be.
>>34776523
This is the only viable option.
>Bipedal mechs are developed for increased labor output
>They're too efficient, job security at an all time low for most workers
>Said mechs often get appropriated as improvised war machines, used to commit crimes
>Police departments commission the creation of patrol labor mechs to meet this problem
Oh and the military has them too I guess.

>>34777765
>be highly maneuverable for mega slums

Ah. It comes clear now. You're fantasizing about some futuristic graphic novel you've read. Hell, since this is the world of comic book physics, lets make it flight capable. Jets and thrusters would look more cool, ducted fans are a better choice for the urbs. Maybe some transformer-style shapeshifting capabilities to optimize for different environments. And some kind of sword with shotgun capability. Gotta have that.

>>34778914
Law enforcement is a concept derived from the military, appropriating tactics and equipment for civilian pacifying purposes, just as the military provides the security of a nation against outside aggression.
The line is already blurred by the way, with the advent of drones and MRAPS, and the existence of anti-terror operations.

>Or are you really proposing to send unsupported armor into an urban environment?
I already told you no. Why the fuck do you keep thinking that?

>deploying something like that in the US would cause riots.
Its goal would be to be deployed when the riot is already in progress.

>>34779013
>Doesn't articulate an actual counterargument
I remember when people said planes were anime fantasy and that ships were the epitome of transportation too.

>>34775982
Its not murder if its justified.

>>34779024
>Law enforcement is a concept derived from the military, appropriating tactics and equipment for civilian pacifying purposes

No. The two evolved from completely different needs. They most likely evolved at roughly the same time. Keeping the peace is not the same as pacifying the populace. Pacification is the role of an occupation force. You need to lighten up on that grimdark reading list, maybe get outside a little.

>>34779043
>I remember when people said planes were anime fantasy and that ships were the epitome of transportation too.

Really? That puts you about what, 125 or so? That would explain why your memory is getting a little shaky. Airplanes were already a thing when the term "anime" was coined.

And why should I come up with a reasoned counter argument when the discussion is about an anime genre which is not achievable IRL due to material, cost, and political constraints?

>>34779043

I remember a time when people said dragons were real and they turned out to be a anime fantasy.

Or even better I also remember a time when zeppelins were going to be the next big thing in air travel, turns out there are more efficient and better ways to travel by air.

What about steam engines? They were fantasy, than became a reality, now they are anime fantasy again...

>>34779211
Gendarmerie.

>>34779392
Blimps still exist and are still used for transportation today, so your argument that mechs won't exist is moot. By the way, Lockheed Martin is working on the return of blimps right now, too.

>>34776546
soooooo full metal panic fumoffu?

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>>34776186
Realistically pic related is more likely.

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>>34779465
Early prototypes have already been prepared.

>>34779418

Yeah horse drawn carriages still exist today too... and you can watch a chariot races to see the fastest horse drawn cart. I heard arabs are developing robotic riders so the carts can be drawn faster and faster...

OH you know what would be on topic, all the people trying to re-invent the AFV to make it a cool bi-pedal armored thingy but none of the militaries or police force around the world even considering to look into at the moment...

>>34775490
I didn't see any tanks in that blurry video (just a troop carrier or something), let alone a sci-fi mini-tank specifically made for urban combat.

>>34779589
It's a good thing people who're richer and smarter than you are actually investing hard on robotics as we speak.

>>34774508
I always thought mechs/androids would make the ideal pointmen in high-risk raids. They could be equipped with almost entirely non-lethal weapons in case of catastrophic malfunction (leading to them attacking unarmed/innocent people) but would take the bulk of small arms fire that would normally be taken by a human being.

The principle advantage of a humanoid robot over a non-humanoid one is that they could theoretically use technology ergonomically designed to be used by humans and vastly offset the cost of retrofitting mechs/androids with equipment suitable for a task.

>>34779650
Nice ad hominem, I tip my fedora.
Rich and smart people do invest in a lot of things other than "combat" robotics.

>>34779695
That'd be pretty interesting. I can imagine a robot breaking into a room, getting shot to no effect, and then farting out a cloud of tear gas.

>>34779715
>ad hominem
Oh please, that's just the bonus for my argument. Tanks are being outclassed by so many things nowadays it's not even funny. They're losing their jobs.

>>34779728
Of course, a drone would probably do the same job just as cheaply given a way to open doors/bust windows.

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>>34774946
>>34774508
Something like this, then. Bonus points for making it aerial.

>>34779762
>being outclasses by so many things not even funny.

First I don't see them as being outclassed. Yeah they had their finest moment in WW2 because they were a novelty. Your dream is that they will get replaced by mechas just as they replaced cavalry I suppose but then hear my second point. Bipedal robot would even get more outclassed by the same countermeasures even more, unless we go back to the beginning of this reply chain and again argue about what is fantasy. An armored mecha developed today will have the same countermeasures against threats with a tank with less efficiency due to size and it needing to balance itself out all the time.

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>>34776311
>Running over people
There is a more elegant solution to crowd control anon: don't allow them to get close in the first place.

>>34779856
That looks too heavy to work.

>>34779879
>First I don't see them as being outclassed.
Cities alone are deathtraps for them, and cities are the most sought territory in a war.

>Your dream is that they will get replaced by mechas
I never said that, kiddo. I'm just saying you're stupid to think mechs won't exist.
Judging by your argument, anything that isn't past prototype phase is fantasy, and therefore cannot exist. Modern engineering would have a field day insulting you if it were a person.

>>34779968

>Cities alone are deathtraps for them, and cities are the most sought territory in a war.

Oh my bad, forgot the mechs are good in urban areas they get +attack bonus in riot supression and manuvering.

>...anything that isn't past prototype phase is fantasy, and therefore cannot exist.

No it can exist, I'm just saying it will be less inefficient than the ones that are already in use. A square wheel can exist and a modern engineer can design it for you.

>>34780042
It sure would be more efficient than a fucking MBT being unable to turn its turret and being blocked off by barricades in a street. It also can't aim directly up at buildings when ambushed from above due to limited vertical axis.
In case your simple-minded brain thinks otherwise, refer to the Yugoslav Wars and the Russo-Afghan War and learn something instead of being ignorant.

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>>34777863
>built to fight kamen rider zombies

/k/ is full of dumb fuck >21 year olds, this thread proves it.

>>34774508
>Every once in a while ill see a mech thread on /k/
>and the general conclusion is that they are out preformed or equivalent to tanks in a modern battlefeid

No, they're concluded to be unstable vehicles that perform worse than both tanks and helis, while costing more than either combined.

>>34780162
You realize that the way you posted that, you seem to be saying the board is full of people 21+?

>>34780217
>unstable vehicles
Have you ignored everything Boston Dynamics has been doing up until now?

>>34780080

Yeah let me refer to every operation where tanks are terribly used, I'm glad everyone threw their tanks into bottom of the sea after they read about those conflicts. I wouldn't even dare read about these situations where infantryman used *gasp" molotov cocktails and logs to disable tanks oh no. Surely a mech would have performed better you know what they say, when tanks fail just send the mech units.

>can't aim directly up at buildings
>can't turn turret and being blocked off by barricades

just lol'd at these, just send a AA gun :^) Yeah your mech will surely be armored on the top to survive ambushes and would vault over the barricades and even small buildings, also modern MBT's get into knife fights in brazilian favelas with no helicopter support and do not have a machine gun sitting on top of their turret because they want to fire their 120mm cannon at sky.

>>34780291
>Surely a mech would have performed better you know what they say
Yes, like stepping over said logs and actually being able to climb out of a 6 foot deep hole, unlike a tank.
>your mech will surely be armored on the top
More like can aim up and shoot the aggressors without having to roll backwards some hundred feet.
>also modern MBT's have no helicopter support and do not have a machine gun sitting on top of them
As if a mech couldn't have the same in any given situation a tank would.
Try harder, will you?

>>34780217
>that perform worse than both tanks and helis, while costing more than either combined.
But that implies mechs exist to begin with

>>34780322
whew lad, the log and the molotov example was to point out the fact that people can develop 0 cost countermeasures in any situation

the getting shot from 45 degree angle in a urban area example was that if your "vehicle" is getting ambushed by NON-ATGM anti armor weapons it will get hit before returning fire even if it has the ability to change the axis of the guns like a modern day SPAAG, lol if returning fire back at rooftops from ground level was such a high priority in """modern""" combat they would just make armored combat vehicles with turrets on top that can shoot at high angles, and they would probably call them IFV's or something i dont know...

>mech couldn't have the same in any given situation a tank would
theres nothing a mech can have that a tank cant have in your "fantasy" world, want tanks to shoot at 80deg angle, you have it, want tanks to jump over barricades? u have it too

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>>34780322
You completely under estimate how lightly armoured and armed a mech would be compared to an equivalent tracked or wheeled vehicle. if a conventional war actually broke out then we would develop specialist urban tanks/conversion kits with high angle weapons which would be way better then flimsy mechs that could be taken out with 40mm grenades and 60s vintage rpg-7 warheads.

Heavy power armour is a million times better then mechs and will rule the megacity battlefield in the future anyway, the ability to go inside buildings is crucial.

>>34775199
Right here, I think a small tank the size of a car that's decently armored and maneuverable would work well for a police force alongside heavier, more conventional vehicles.

>>34779856
Something about that giant P90 arouses me.

>>34780432
>people can develop 0 cost countermeasures in any situation
That argument also applies against you. Do not pretend it's just in your favor.

>they would just make
Just like they could just make a mech with anti-infantry/rocket launching systems that can aim independently and quell any ambush from above, or even better, trophy active defense systems.
It's as if you believed tanks were invincible in any situation, it's funny, really. If you're so sure that mechs won't exist, what factual proof that they'll underperform?

>theres nothing a mech can have that a tank cant have
Legs to step over obstacles, offering better agility in short movements than treads.

>>34780461
Armor is irrelevant in a world where the average towelhead has ATGMs and recoilless rifles capable of trashing Abrams. No amount of armor will ever beat the force of advanced munitions.

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What about a small tank?

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>>34780640
no; ifvs exist for a reason

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The answer to all our LEO concerns are drones. Pic related.

>>34780573
I give up, this whole argument started because I wanted to say fantastic things are fantasy. For all the replys (you) have given me all you said was "mechs have things that tanks dont", well Mr. we dont have mechs so you can strap any fantasy bullshit on top of a mech and say it performs amazing in every given situation than a real life tank that exists in 2017. Here's have one last (you) from me:

>people can develop 0 cost countermeasures in any situation
>That argument also applies against you. Do not pretend it's just in your favor.
it does apply, thats why I was able to give the example in the first place.

>Just like they could just ... invincible in any situation, it's funny, really.
Just like they could just make a tank with anti-infantry/rocket launching systems that can aim independently and quell any ambush from above, or even better, trophy active defense systems.
It's as if you believed mechs were invincible in any situation, it's funny, really.

> If you're so sure that mechs won't exist, what factual proof that they'll underperform?
What factual proof do you have that they will perform better? That argument also applies against you.

>Legs to step over obstacles, offering better agility in short movements than treads.
+10 to agi and -10 to endurance bonus. Just give tanks ability to jump over obstacles with jet engines AND invest in some cheap anti-mecha barricades gg wp

>Armor is irrelevant in a world where the average towelhead has ATGMs and recoilless rifles capable of trashing Abrams. No amount of armor will ever beat the force of advanced munitions.
YOU HEARD IT FOLKS THROW YOUR TANKS INTO THE SEA THE AVARAGE TOWELHEAD CAN DESTROY AN ABRAMS!

>>34780573
>Armor is irrelevant in a world where the average towelhead has ATGMs and recoilless rifles capable of trashing Abrams. No amount of armor will ever beat the force of advanced munitions.
Then why do modern armies still have heavily armoured tanks? Besides, heavy power armour will still beat mechs every time.

>Legs to step over obstacles, offering better agility in short movements than treads.
In exchange for:
>higher unit cost
>higher maintenance cost and more maintenance required
>slower
>significantly less armor
>significantly less firepower
>recoil concerns for larger guns
>significantly less stable firing platform
>the ability to fall over
>significantly easier to get stuck in soft ground

>If you're so sure that mechs won't exist, what factual proof that they'll underperform?
Physics.

>>34780573
also yeah because we don't have an invention called fence to stop bi-pedal things from crossing to the other side of "obstacles", having legs grants you the ability to cross every barricade.

>>34780746
>give tanks ability to jump over obstacles with jet engines
Not him but that's silly. It'd fuck over the supporting infantry real bad.

>>34780823
good point, I will make ajustments to my fantasea tank 2.1

I even forgot that this entire thread was about law-enforcement mechs, we were suposed to protec not attac

>>34780746
>It's as if you believed mechs were invincible in any situation, it's funny, really.
Oh so me applying things tanks have to mechs makes them invincible? Fine.

>What factual proof do you have that they will perform better?
When they come around to shoot down naysayers, you'll see the proof you want.

>give tanks ability to jump over obstacles with jet engines
Do you have any idea how jet engines work? Or at least how big they are? Or the force they'd need to produce to lift a 70 ton tank?

>YOU HEARD IT FOLKS THROW YOUR TANKS INTO THE SEA THE AVARAGE TOWELHEAD CAN DESTROY AN ABRAMS!
Might as well, with all the Abrams being recked in the middle east.

Solution without a problem.

99% of police work has no requirement for heavy armor at all, let alone something REALLY armored. The rest of the time you're looking at swat operations or big violent riots. Swat doesn't have a need for destroying the whole property, they're there for specific people and items not property damage billed to the department/city. Riots are already cluster fucks, do you think deploying walking weapons in a non-lethal environment is really the best solution for PR and positive legal reprocussions? It looks and sounds cool but we live in a regular mostly civilized society, not a dystopian third world nation.

>>34780763
>heavy power armour will still beat mechs every time.
Heavy power armor won't beat anything because you're a walking target moving at a snail's pace. The force of a grenade will take you down.

Yeah, the main problem with mass producing of mechs would be the price behind it.

>significantly less armor
Not if you make one with multiple legs or wide feet to distribute weigh. You can easily arm a 10 ton mech.

>significantly less firepower
Unless it's used to destroy buildings, a mech armed with multiple FGM-148 launchers can kill pretty much any armor from an overhead shot. Why the fuck nobody does this already is beyond me, because the military industry has limitless funding.

>Less stable
There are methods to stabilize weigh, on every piece of machinery made by man. Also, you underestimate the strength of servos and hydraulics.

>The ability to fall over
Like everything else?

>Significantly easier to get stuck in soft ground
P = F/A. Increase A.
Also, if your foot gets stuck on something, you use your other leg to step out of it.

>Physics.
Explain. Are you going to mention the Square-Cube Law? Yeah, that's funny. I sure remember the fucking T-Rexes collapsing under their weight. That's exactly how they went extinct.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7xvqQeoA8c
give it guns and armour
>nightmare frames soon

>>34775122
Okay, a lot yo unpackage here.

>Then someone drives you over

This means you manage to hit the man with a car. More likely, he sees you coming and puts shots through the windshield and kills your driver. There's also a good chance the guy survives if the armor has enough internal padding. A benefit of the servos is that they transfer impact more effectively than a seatbelt.

> throws a net over your head

Gonna have to be a really strong net. More than likely, the power assisted arms would just tear it off. A steel net might work but nobody sells steel nets suitable for people. If the weave is too tight you basically tried to catch him with a blanket.

>throws a molotov at you and you fry inside your armor.

Fire extinguisher. The primary advantage to powered armor is additional carrying capacity. Knowing the armor's limitations there's no reason why not to carry a small fire extinguisher.

This may have already been said, but

People get bumrustled enough over black APCs and even just black vans, so the practical advantages of the mech - if any - will be outweighed by the PR nightmare and undesired escalation

>>34775828
They got away with it in Patlabor because everybody had giant robots. It would be weird if the police didn't have a means of combating them.

>>34780927
>Why the fuck nobody does this already is beyond me
>why no ATGMs replacing tanks

FML this meme just doesn't die.

Ok. Here's why: ATGMs are only good for overwatch. Without MBT level armor, they can't search for contact and they can't exploit breakthrough, which are the other 2/3s of maneuver combat.

>>34780940
>This means you manage to hit the man with a car. More likely, he sees you coming and puts shots through the windshield and kills your driver
That doesn't stop the car you know.

>There's also a good chance the guy survives if the armor has enough internal padding
Force tranfer. You're gonna rupture something important when hit but a car.

>carry a small fire extinguisher.
Why would a combat powerarmor have a fire extinguisher?

I think it would help with the tank the ANTIFA wants to buy

>>34780573
>Armor is irrelevant in a world where the average towelhead has ATGMs and recoilless rifles capable of trashing Abrams
Forces funded by rival world powers is not the average, the Taliban without 500k dollars Kornets and equivalent 90's ATGM is average. Few insurgents in the world can be a match for the likes of Hezbollah or have the resources to spam IEDs made with 152mm shells.

>>34780974
>IEDs made with 152mm shells.
They can make IEDs with manure you know.

>>34780573
>Armor is irrelevant in a world where the average towelhead has ATGMs and recoilless rifles capable of trashing Abrams. No amount of armor will ever beat the force of advanced munitions.

FFS. Anything can pen a tank from the right angle. In the forward 60 degree arc OTOH, a Kornet can't do shit; and that's the only thing that matters because tanks are a combined arms maneuver force. They don't need to be 100% invincible in every direction to do their job, just 80% proof in one direction.

>>34779418
>Gendarmerie

Still evolved from a different root than police. Gendarmes are a military component with civil law enforcement responsbilities. They were always armed, hence the name. The earliest policemen weren't always armed, serving as nightwatchmen and fire wardens.

>>34779881
You do realize that we wanted you to proverbally clean up the streets, not literally demolish them, right?

>>34780983
How many of those are powerful enough to blow up anything bigger than a Humvee?

>>34780969
>That doesn't stop the car you know.

No, but it does mean it's probably not aiming for the cop anymore.

>Force tranfer. You're gonna rupture something important when hit but a car.

Depends on how fast the car was going. If you just pulled out of the garage you might knock the man over. Hit him at 30 mph and he's probably stuck to your bumper. Hit him at 60+ and not only have you killed him but you probably just destroyed your radiator.

>Why would a combat powerarmor have a fire extinguisher?

Why do police cars carry small fire extinguishers. Maybe a car engine catches fire after a car crash. Maybe a meth lab or illegal still goes up in a raid. Maybe somebody was so high that they though that the cops can't catch them if they're on fire. Maybe some asshole throws a molotov cocktail at them. The point is that police can't predict what they're going to have to deal with so they like to be prepared for anything.

>>34781132
Wrong question. What you should ask is how many of them blew themselves up learning how to make those.

>>34780969
>Why would a combat power armor have a fire extinguisher?
Contingency plans, motherfucker, do you have them?

>>34780983
Hell, you can make an IED with a small solar panel, some water, and an airbed mattress. HOH is pretty energetic, it wouldn't take a huge amount to shear the legs off of a bipedal device. Put it under a car parked on the street, there's your tamping to give the blast the right shape. That's also going to raise 7 kinds of hell with the infantry support that these mechanical monstrosities will need.

>>34781132
All that's necessary is to blow a foot or leg off of a bipedal machine. Once it falls over, the regular cops have to set up a defensive perimeter until a recovery unit can get there. So now you have a broken machine and a bunch of cops anchored in one spot instead of out doing police things.

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>>34774508
No. The police do not need giant walking murderbots.
If your society is so dangerous that the police force need fucking mechs then your government is failing.

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yeah they're called armored vehicles and they're still faster, cheaper, and more effective than a mech.

>no real threat of anti tank weapons
>resistant to small arms
>more manuverable than tanks
>could help quell an uprising or revolution before the military arrive
>intimidate criminals

>>34780969
>Why would a combat powerarmor have a fire extinguisher?
wtf, why would they not? What tank doesn't have fire suppression built in? You literally just said you'd throw a molotov at that, that's why it has a fucking fire extinguisher

>>34778694
>Implying he's not going to get zeroed in
>Implying he won't be turned into steaming pink mist

>>34779013
>k is serius budnis guise
Also
>mega slums
>fantasy

>>34779535
But how does it fire tho?

>>34774508
T H I C C

>>34775763
>government surplus mechs
>implying the government would be interested in mechs in the first place

>>34776546
This is the best of ideas and I think it would work great in an insurgency.

>>34779392
You do realize that most if not all power plant, even nuclear power plants, are glorified steam engines right?

>>34782344
>>34782344
Internal combustion engines are decidedly NOT steam engines, spergo. Nuclear reactors are glorified steam engines because the only way we can use the energy of decaying atoms is by capturing the heat, and steam is the most reliable method of turning heat into kinetic energy. Combustion engines don't use heat to convert liquid to gas, they use pressure and/or electricity to create small explosions from a aersolized fuel.

>>34782262
Kowloon walled city is about the only real mega slum to have existed that I know of and it would get absolutely wrecked by either power armor or a mech which would make trying to control riots there with such things pointless.

>>34778699
No it doesn't, in your faggy example they still have to throw a net and chuck molotovs just to kill one single person, as if he'd be by himself too

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>>34774508

>UAE: Robocop meets Mall Cop! World's first robot police officer goes on duty

The world’s first robot police officer officially reported for duty at the UAE's flagship Dubai Mall, on Tuesday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fc3rDTOK7uM

>ROBOT COP DEPLOYED ON THE STREETS OF DUBAI

The “world’s first operational Robocop” has reported for duty in Dubai, forming the first part of the emirate’s plan to make one quarter of its police force robotic by 2030.

http://www.newsweek.com/robot-cop-deployed-dubai-614943

>How Dubai Police is using a robot to recruit staff

Want a job with Dubai Police? Be prepared to meet Saeed Al Farhan, a robot who is interviewing jobseekers at 'Careers UAE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq_IR_vLt9g

>>34781481

la riots, hurricane katrina, ferguson

murica is ready

The future are not giants and slow robots, the future are human size, faster and cheaper robots.
https://youtu.be/-7xvqQeoA8c

>>34778959
Always irked me, what happens when they inevitably fall over or have to cross heavy debris? If they were treaded maybe but Securitron MK.II's are suited for little more than light police work and patrolling.

>>34781763
>no real threat of anti tank weapons
im sorry what?

>>34784216
when's the last time a criminal in the US shot fired tank weapons?

>>34784293
are you seriously implying that you cant get a shitty slav rpg in us if there was demand for it?

>>34775100
I want her to shove a D-cell maglight up my ass

>>34784189
>what happens when they inevitably fall over or have to cross heavy debris?
In game they fall over regularly, but use their arms to lift themselves up again.

Presumably they could even walk over heavy debris the same way too, like a gorilla.

>>34784303
Even though someone can get ahold of one, dosent mean it's necessary the easiest. Nor would the people getting them have any true knowledge on how that it fires

>>34780560
>.300 winmag in a p90 mag
>900 rpm
pure arousal

>>34784303
There is no demand for it, that's exactly what OP is saying. I copy-pasted OP. Nobody is shooting fucking RPGs at US police, it doesn't happen.

>>34774508
>if small enough, more manuverable than tanks
Only if small enough to enter buildings, functionally power armor not mechs

But in all seriousness there is 1 issue that kills mechs.
Ground pressure.
Having a biped especially, but even true for 4,6 or 8 legs, in an urban environment will result in concrete and tarmac fractures with every step.
The cost to the local government in road maintainance would go up with every operation.

>>34784555
>Ground pressure.
Widen the feet for pressure distribution.

>P = F/A. Increase A.
>Also, if your foot gets stuck on something, you use your other leg to step out of it.
If your foot gets stuck in something that you are only just too heavy for you can step out, this isn't because you are increasing area, it's because you are switching pressure to another location that is presumed more capable of dealing with the pressure.
If you drastically over mass the area you will continue to sink even with both limbs on the floor.

Human flesh and bone weighs far less than steel in the same volume, if you keep anything approaching human like proportions you will sink in mud like it is quicksand and shatter any road surface you walk on.
You put forward that maths fine we'll go with it.
Human bone 1.75g/cm2
Mild steel 7.8g/cm2

You now have a mech with
P= F ((human scale x2) ×4 to convert bones to steel)) / area (human scale x2)
This means your mach has human features but 4 times the weight for bone alone, never mind the weight of muscle switched out for hydraulic rams, the weight of hydraulic oil the skin again converted to steel as armour.
Seeing the issue now?

>>34784365
The RPG-7 was designed to be used by illiterate peasants. It's not particularly accurate to begin with and isn't very complicated to use.

The real issue is the target size. The RPG-7 was meant to be used against a tank size target. Anything smaller is difficult to hit even at ideal range.

>>34784811
US tests gave a 96% hit chance on a tank size target moving at 10kph from 200m

>>34784365
It's a simple reflex sight, almost 0 recoil, travels at 250m/s so can be fired normally, it spin stabilizes in flight.

The only abnormal thing is it turns slightly into a cross wind

>>34779856
Jesus Christ what caliber does that P90 fire?

>>34786016
20mm, I believe. There might be a supressor or flash hider attached.

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>>34780763
>the ability to fall over
Can you imagine being so retarded that if you fall over, you literally can't get up without outside assistance? This anon looks as a bipedal mech and says "If it falls over, it, like me, cannot get up without assistance!"

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>>34775347
I'll take it

>>34774508
>but what if instead of a battlefeild they were used by police
police think they operate on a battlefield

>>34774508
For police work they might be just the thing.
Psychology intimidating.
Resistant to most common weapons, liquids, gas.
Long endurance.
Could fill the same role as mounted police for less cost than training and boarding a live horse.

>>34775065
Because technology is cheaper than good training and good personnel. We get crap policing because we don't want to invest in good police.

>>34776311
Any riot control armored vehicle would have smoke and gas dischargers and system to run 100k volts over the hull.

>>34786244
Actually, it would be really fucking hard to right yourself if you had no innate sense of where your limbs are, as well as no sense of touch and limited visibility.
And that's not even taking into account that any significantly sized mecha is going t fall hard when they fall, possibly damaging internal components. Look at how easy it is to fuck up a phone just br dropping it.

>>34780272
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PaTWufUqqU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0TaYhjpOfo

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>>34778062
>>34778072
I'm sorry that this is the only kind of horse I can draw.

>>34774526
Swat away negroes attempting to dismantle it for parts to sell.

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Honestly, the police strutting around in mechas would be enough to push me over the edge into becoming a supervillain.

If the technology exists for the police to create a mecha then there would be enough to create a War of the Worlds-style fighting machine. If they somehow manage to keep it private, it's Killdozer time.

>>34774526
Dunno where you live, but there's a surprisngly high number of .50 BMGs in private hands where I live, and more than one 200mm Lahti.

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>>34776180
Patlabor films are a strange thing

>>34788054
>200mm Lahti.
>200mm
yeah sure, of course you can own and operate a fucking 7.8inch cannon, this is completely legal

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>>34788054
Fun fact: It's perfectly legal for Americans to buy and possess up to 15lbs of natural or depleted uranium at any one time

Double fun fact: uranium carries no more hazards to machine than the hazards of lead and magnesium combined

>>34788086
Typo.
>20mm

Though cannon are legal for private ownership here...

>>34780573
>recoilless rifles trashing abrams
the stupidest thing in that entire post

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>intimidate criminals
"Intimidate", you say ? The Police's job should be outright killing them, with microwave-pulse cannons and flamethrowers.

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Brigador has this shit covered. Armor that can stop multiple .50 cal shots without issue, dual MG42's and the physical strength to crunch yellow raincoats with ease

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>>34776180
>>34788062
Well yeah; Patlabor 2 is Oshii's magnum opus; WXIII is pretty meh, imo.

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>>34774508
I'm just gonna leave this here.