What if I told you that 99% of knife breakages could be avoided

Bushcraft knives should be made for batoning, if they can't take a bit of batoning they weren't meant to work on wood in the first place and shouldn't be used.

>>34770650
Sure, and 100% of knife breakages could be avoided by keeping them in a drawer at home and never taking them outside. But knives are meant to be used, and should stand up to the tasks people will actually use them for.

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>>34770686
>>34770713
proper tools for proper results.

>>34770686
You're retarded, carry a 3lb hatchet you dipshit.

Knives are for feathering wood, cutting rope, making your own wood toggles, prepping food or other light bushcraft shit.

You wanna split wood for kindling? use a fucking hatchet, since its heavier you dont even have to bang on it, just tap it down by itself.

>>34770650
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lo-x4uwo-hM

>>34770713
which is why i use my knife blade as a crowbar, a non-serrated saw for cutting wire and as a way of opening cans

>>34770727
>>34770735
This.
>>34770713
A knife is a cutting tool, not a striking tool. It'll take a bit of light chopping, but that's all.
>>34770686
The only way you can make a knife endure the stress of batoning is using a soft steel and making the blade so thick that it's impossible to get a good cutting edge. In order to cut well, a knife must be hard and thin.

>>34770727
you're right but its nice to have a tool that can do more than one job. Less tools to carry. That being said, a hatchet is versatile as hell.

>>34770755
A tool that does all jobs does not of them well. If you can't carry a hatchet, make a wedge.

>>34770755
A knife is a good general purpose tool. A comically overbuilt knife specialized for batoning is no longer a good general purpose tool.

>>34770775
Im not expecting any tool to be good at every every task but having a tool for every job is not practical out side of a workshop. Otherwise you'll look like a fucking boy scout.

>>34770883
Like I said, if you can't carry a hatchet, make a wedge. It's not difficult. Why risk breaking your most important tool?

>>34770650
Is that an esee 3? That's not even meant for batoning. 4 is the minimum, and 5 or 6 is a better pick.

>>34770745
That's about right
>Give a task to a bunch of tacticool douchebros
>None of them capable of lateral thinking
>Spend 30 minutes trying to split a fucking log with a paring knife
>Man who actually thoughtfully thinks out his gear shows them who the fuck is boss
>"huh"

>>34770650
>bushcraft

>>34770650
a log burn longer

split wood fag are retard

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>his brittle little knifelet can't take batoning
lol
get a real knife like pic related

>>34770727
>short handle axe
literally the most useless thing ever

As good a place to ask as any - I'm considering a Fallkniven F1 as a general purpose camping knife - is that a bad idea?

>>34770713
>and should stand up to the tasks people will actually use them for.
Which doesn't involve pounding them into a piece of wood using another piece of wood.

>>34770755
>you're right but its nice to have a tool that can do more than one job. Less tools to carry. That being said, a hatchet is versatile as hell.
A knife that's built for this kind of abuse is usually heavy as fuck, just carry a more and small hatches for the same weight.

>>34772316
it's a hatchet.

it is for light work and backpacking.

>>34770735
What the hell kind of hatchet weights 3 pounds. My full sized axe head weights like 3.5

>>34774112
Just carry a full size axe
You'll thank yourself for it if you ever plan to actually chop wood

ive been camping 1000 times over the past ten years and ive never needed to split wood. What is the fucking point? 99 percent of the time you can get by without a hatchet either even if you are in the same spot for days

>>34770650
>why won't batoning this log with a smaller knife work
It's almost as if stupid people break things when they act stupid.

Log under knife was cut by a chain saw. You can carry a chain saw but not a hatchet?

Batoning is for morons. Use the tool properly or use the right tool for the job.

>>34770650

Oh wow, a retard made this picture.

1) that log is vastly too large for that knife. It would be like saying, man, it took me HOURS to chop down this giant red wood tree with this ax, it's a piece of shit! Of course the blade got bound up, the log is too large.

2) He bought an obviously shit tier knife but just because it was expensive (read: he got straight SCAMMED) it must be the piece of wood's fault, couldn't possibly be his shit knife.

Get a good knife and baton properly sized wood. If you want to baton larger wood, get a longer, thicker, knife. Don't be a little cry baby faggot. This picture doesn't show that batoning is bad, it shows that ESEE knives are dollar store trash.

>>34770727
>Metal handled axe

confirmed fore someone who has never cut a cord wood.

For the uniformed Hickory handles are the standard because they reduce vibrations you get with polymer or metal handled axes significantly as well as being replaceable should they be broken.

Metal axe handles can cause injuries such as carpel tunnel, for real these things will fuck you up.

>>34774192
Describe your camping experience

>>34770748
i honestly use a $3 walmark knife for all those thing all the time

>>34774229
it's a hatchet

If i want to chop down trees. I'll carry a felling axe.

>>34770727
>proper tools for proper results
>splitting wood with a hatchet /axe
>not using a maul

>>34774238
Not previous poser, but there are designated camp sites with zero natural firewood because it's been picked clean and most normal places in the woods with more burnable wood than you know what to do with.

>>34774201
this. why would you need to split tree rounds for anything other than firewood?

>>34774295
pretty unlikely they are going to let you fell trees in a designated camp site

>>34774291
i've broken down fireword that was already split by a maul, down to kindling with that hatchet.

it's fine for anything not bigger around than your arm.

You can always tell the kids that have never been out innawoods. A good knife will never break when you're batoning for small firewood, poorfags need to stop doing poorfag things and then crying about it online.

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>>34770650
>99% of garbage mallninja tier fantasy knives that OP regularly purchases and masturbates with

Fixed for you, OP.

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>>34770650
I've been waiting for this thread.

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>>34774410

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>>34774418

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>>34774429

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>>34774435

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>>34774439

>>34774439
nutnfancy.webm

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>>34774450

>>34774410
>>34774435
>>34774439
>watch me prove the kebab right

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>>34774453
Actually...

>>34774466
Nice get, kek approves of the kebabery

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>>34774467

>>34772304
thanks for telling us what it is

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>>34774479

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>5 mm thick
>full tang
>stainless steel Boehler N695
>micarta handles
> secondary bevel
My all around camp knife, although Id never use it for batoning or prying except in a really sticky situation but its nice to know its possible. Made in Spain, maybe even on par with the ESEE in terms of quality and warranty, only European and relatively unknown

>>34770650
>>34774490
>>>/out/

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>>34774486

>this autistic faggot posting folders and poorfag knives as if they actually strengthen his argument instead of making him looking like a blubbering retard

Here is a ~30 knife

https://youtu.be/fKlcBpKbAvM

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>>34774505
Found the babby batonny chop chop bushkekker. lol

>>34774467
>>34774479
>>34774486
>>34774498
>>34774512
I love this intense autism, protip many of those are folding knives

>>34774439
This guy is seriously fucking retarded

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>>34774522

>>34774522
Your dumbass is posting these webms, and they are all with shitty cheap knives with steel unsuitable for the task. You know knives are made in different profiles and blade steels? You're mentally retarded if you think anything you posted discredits batoning. You're posting webms of folding knives lol.

>>34774505
>posts knife that is 1.5" long
>INDESTRUCTABLE!!1!

Ever heard of something called leverage? Longer blades, when misused, are more prone to breaking. This whole thread is fucking retarded though, as people are basically destroying them on purpose. "hurr durr why did it break guise??"

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>>34774536

>>34774525
>>34774540
>muh folders
I see literally one folding knife.
I mean most of the rest fold now I guess.

>>34774545
No shit longer blades are more prone to breaking. That's why anyone with any bushcraft knowledge gets a smaller and thicker blade.

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>>34774540
>>34774531
Typical results from the babby batonny chop chop bushkekker.

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>>34774562

>>34774558
Lets not forget the bear grylls knives! Lol

>>34770650
I'll agree with the sense that a knife shouldn't regularly be used to baton things. HOWEVER. If a knife isn't able to be batoned without flat out snapping, it's a piece of shit anyways that you probably shouldn't be using regardless of what you're doing with it.

Better to have something and not need it than to need it and not have it, am I right?

>>34774560
Batoning like these retards are doing requires a long blade, unless you're "batoning" through twigs.

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>>34774569

>>34774562
Typical results from a retard that doesn't even know what he is talking about, keep showing us how retarded you are it's really amusing

>>34774578
The retards being posted aren't indicative of the whole bush crafting community.

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>>34774583
>can't handle the bantz or the batonny
>snaps just like the batonny chop chop

kek

>>34774229
hatchets can have wooden handles. are you an wizard?

>>34774593
People who are allergic to small axes and hawks aren't really indicative of the whole bush crafting community either desu.

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Many posts later and some retarded autist is proving me right. This is amazing but poorfags shouldn't be allowed to breed for this very reason.

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>>34774602
>if you fit it back together, it will magically weld itself back and be fixed
>bushkekker logic in action

>>34774601
Where did I claim such a thing?

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>>34774610

>>34774610
>maybe if I keep posting they wont think im stupid anymore
>laughs nervously

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>>34774623

Bushkekkers 1 : Neckbeards 0

https://youtu.be/hIPq-AIHYqo

>mfw all these people abusing their 5mm thick walmart knives and being surprised when they snap

>>34774410
Is the opinel even broken? Lol @ batoning with a flooding knife though

>>34770650
>batoning

Do retards actually use this word in place of split when describing splitting wood?

Do retards actually use knives to try to split wood with instead of using a fucking axe or hatchet?

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>>34774632

>>34774643
Yes.

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>>34774644

>>34774643
Do retards never leave their house to go camping deep innawoods? Oh wait you're all fat lol you go "innawoods" in your back yards.

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>>34774657

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>>34774663
>Typical batonny chop chop /k/ poster, getting the ladies dripping wet.

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There, finally done teaching you kids. Your fathers shouldn't have abandoned you. He should have stayed around and taught you how to do real man's /out/doors. Remember, you process firewood and bushkek using proper tools and methods. The only thing you should be doing with your knife for firestarting is to make a feather stick. For bushcrafting you only need a knife for cutting your mother's umbilical cord. Stop being a babby batonny chop chop bushkekker and grow to be a real man in the real /out/doors. Get out of your mother's kitchen and into the woods, kids.

>>34774410
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>>34774676
I've never witnessed such severe autism.

>>34774483
slavaboo posting

>>34774685
>kids
>kids
>kids
>real man
Someone grew up without a daddy and now they are projecting :).

>>34774663
Total times I've ever needed to split wood innawoods: 0

You split wood for a fucking fireplace or a stove, and if you have access to either, than you should also have access to a fucking axe or chainsaw you moron.

The only thing more retarded than using a knife to split wood is using the word "batoning" to describe the activity.

>>34774699
The only people that ever use the word "projecting" tend to be actually describing themselves.

>>34774703
>if you have access to a stove you have access to a chainsaw
LOOOOOL thanks for showing me your backyard camping skills. Fire stoves exist.

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>>34774718
>Fire stoves

I only use water stoves.

>>34774717
Whatever you say to make yourself feel better, we can all see your projecting though.

>>34774718
>Fire stoves exist.

And if you're that much of an urbanite to need and hump in a fucking "fire stove", then you should be humping in an axe along with it to provide the fuel.

Dipshit.

>>34774731
Sure, pal.

Right back at ya....

>>34774733
Nope, they are collapsible kiddo.

>>34774746
That doesn't change the fact that you should be humping in an axe to provide the fuel, mouthbreather.

>>34774743
>I swear I'm not projecting guise
>please believe me
>p-please

>>34774759
>so butthurt

>>34774758
You're mentally retarded. I can split the wood for the stove with my hands, why would I carry extra weight only to not even use it? Great one kiddo.

>>34774771
>why wont anyone believe me

>>34774776
You're mentally retarded. I build a "fire stove" with my hands using rocks, and just break branches for the fuel. Why would I carry the weight of a "fire stove" or need to use a knife to split wood? Great one, mouthbreather.

So what do you guys carry innawoods? Large knife/small knife? Axe/knife? Folding saw?

>>34774787
>still mad

>>34774789
Because not everyone is a caveman and cooks on hot coals my retarded friend.

>>34774797
>projection

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>>34774798
>uses fire to fuel stove
>doesn't use hot coals to cook with

>>34774690
I have, the pure autism of a sperg who would mass reply to so many posts.

>>34774795
Large knife and a folding saw. Specifically a Jaakaripuukko 140 and a cheap fiskars saw I bought at walmart for 15 bucks.

>>34774795
Knife and folding saw

>>34774807
>butthurt

>>34774817
Only topped by the autist that actually posted them but I understand your willingness to deny your mental illness.

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>>34774844

>>34774795
an axe

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>>34774918

>>34770932
None of them are meant for batoning.

>>34774483
Looks like vtower skrama stuff

>>34774696
>I'll have you know that us finns are proud mongols.

>>34774467
How the fuck is this a stress test? In no situation ever in the world will you need to bash a rock with a knife.

>>34774435
>Ill buy you a new one, hun

>>34774291
Maul + sledge for best splitting results.

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>>34774837
>>34774844
>>34774855
>>34774916
>>34774918
>>34774957

>>34774657
that actually looks like a decent knife, then, does it?

>>34775063
Stress test destruction videos always include crazy shit like batoning, rock bashing, hammering it into something then standing on it, shooting at it, etc. Sometimes, it is well thought out and quite surprising. Like this series,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kc5TNRnVhtw
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCReKyb0rO1E2Leamipn7Yfg

>>34775915
The handle is all fucked up though. Not good for a survival situation when were need you knife inspected or you die.

>>34774759
>>34774771
>>34774787
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>>34774844
>>34774855
>>34774916
>>34774918
>>34774957

kek

>>34774177
A pack axe.

>>34774795
Folding knife
Camp axe
Long sword (for funzies)

>>34775938
>when were need you knife inspected
I'm sorry, what?

Oh my god, all those webm's.
Why the fuck would you ever do that with any knife? You can destroy lots of expensive knifes or if you aren't a fucking retard, you can buy a one cheap axe.

>>34774718

You don't need to baton shit to get wood for a portable stove.

>>34774551
Dave Canterbury?

>>34770745
THREAD IS OVER

>>34774795
meduim fixed blade, bow saw blade, and a fox wedge for splitting wood

>>34770883
>you'll look like a fucking boy scout
>Terrified at how strangers will judge him.

>>34775974
>joke

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>>34774429
twigcore is best

>>34774435
>but mom!

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>Nobody has posted this yet
Just get a hatchet you stupid mongoloids.

>>34776175
Oh, my bad. I expected, or rather, falsely assumed, competence.

>>34770883
I think the main thing is not making up "jobs" in the first place. There's very few uses for a knife, axe, or saw in the woods. Those are very standardized. It is when you start coming up with bullshit bushcraft things you saw on some kid's youtube channel that things get retarded.

>>34776219
They are throwing massive log rounds onto a knife and fucking it all up. What do you think?

>>34770650
B-but muh ultimate knife test!

>>34774322
>pretty unlikely they are going to let you fell trees in a designated camp site
Designated camp sites? If you're so disconnected from the real woods you might as well just carry a gas stove with you.

You never need to fucking baton for firewood, you start out with dry twigs, small dead standing etc and then when you got a fire going you don't even need to split it.

See all these autistic webms in this thread? Not a single one of them contains a log that is to big to throw on a camp fire and burn for fuel just as it is. If the piece of wood is so big that you need to split it up to smaller parts to burn then that piece is to large for a knife to handle anyway.

>>34774632
See that shit, just burn that fucking wood as it is. It doesn't need splitting, you just need to get a fire going using twigs and branches first.

Batoning is fucking retarded, if you CAN do it with your knife you don't NEED to do it and if you NEED to do it you CAN'T do it,

And no, pieces of wood that have a smaller diameter then the lenght of a knife (any fucking knife, unless we are talking about medival german definition of a knife) don't _need_ splitting.

>>34770650

>could be avoided by not batoning like a retard
FTFY

>>34774410
>tfw the Opinel didn't break

>>34770650
If you use it properly and have a quality knife this won't happen.

99% of all broken knives are a result of not doing one or both of the above. I have a fucking Mora bushcraft for christ sake and i've used it camping atleast 5 times.

Just don't try to chop a whole tree down. If you have a 6" blade you can cut up to 5" of log

>>34777602

The Junglas didn't break either.

Would i be alright with an esee 4, junglas and a folding saw or axe for innawoodsing?

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>>34774957

>>34774837
>>34774844
>>34774855
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>>34774957
PUT ME IN THE SCREENCAP

>>34774461
Source is dutch bushcraft knives youtube channel. They were showing why they dont use folders.

>>34777960
>dutch bushcraft knives
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

THE FUCK THE DUTCH KNOW ABOUT BUSH KNIVES!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

THOSE NIGGERS HAVE LIKE 6 TREES IN THEIR ENTIRE NATION TALKING ABOUT "BUSH KNIVES"!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

MAYBE THEIR TALKING ABOUT CUTTING DOWN THE WEED PLANTS IN THEIR GROW ROOMS!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

THE FUCK OUT OF HERE WITH YOUR "DUTCH BUSH KNIVES" BULLSHIT!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

>>34774657
what knife is this?

>>34774429

>burn fire down until there's a nice bed of coals
>bed of coals

hmmmmmmmmmm

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>>34774957

>>34770686
Should be made with occasional/emergency batoning, not made to withstand batoning through every tree you see.
Shit, even proper axes get fucked up if you accidentally hit a knot off certain trees.

you batonny chop chops are like tumblr fags

cant reason with retardation or mental illness

>>34778613
It's the "do everything tool" syndrome. A lot like with guns, a lot of people really want a gun and caliber to do everything all the while being practical.

>>34777602
>>34777653
The Opinel is the only one not broken in that image. The Junglas has a chip in the blade.

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>>34778568
>emergency batoning

Oh yes, this. Like that time I was crossing the barren desert, on a cold night in my pickup truck full of unsplit log rounds. My gas gauge evidently was stuck and I ran out of gas. There I am 50 miles from anything, in the 1980s, without any form of communication. All I had in my truck was a bunch of poptarts and top ramen, both of which will kill you dead if you eat them raw, as everyone knows. Well, I had some water and my trusty The Survivor™ ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gj9CMvwfv4 ) knife. I didn't have any kindly, so I had to baton some of the log rounds down to kindling size. I used some material from my truck seats and belly button lint as tinder. The Survivor™ had matches. I waited for 10 days in the blazing sun, drinking water and eating freshly toasted poptarts and fully cooked top ramen noodles.

>>34770650
I have one of these OP. I like the knife but it's an inch bigger than I'd prefer. I've also seen multiple pictures of broken ones. I like the 154 steel but it's a powdered steel and I'm not so sure it's the best to use for a baton. I'd rather have a tool steel bushcraft knife.

>>34778874
I had that same knife with the camo sheath when i was a kid. My mom bought it at a thift store for 5 dollars and my big brother stole it and broke it because he didn't know what he was doing.

>>34770745
seriously not enough replies. Look how fucking easy that was.

>>34781095
>My brother stole it and broke it because he knew what he was doing.

>>34770650
I'll never understand why people even baton their knives ? Wedges cost nothing compared to a quality knife you just fucked up...

>>34774642
Probably not. Those things are too goddamn ugly to be destroyed by normal means. Great little knives for the price, though.

>>34774717
>I know you are but what am I

>>34772316
>t. didn't used one

>>34774657
>>34778082

https://youtu.be/mN0kfBMt-5M

Cold Steel SRK

From reading the comments it's most likely the AUS8 model and I don't think they make it in that steel anymore.

>>34774189
I can honestly agree with this guy, chopping a 50 kg log with a hatchet is pure cancer, i'd rather carry a full sized axe

>>34774957
This is so severely autistic, my knife's edge broke

>>34778874
pretty sure they sell an aluminum version of that at Harbor Freight now.

>>34778021
Dude, are you ok?
You need an ambulance?
Some water?

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>batoning with a knife

The correct tool is called a, "froe". It is used exclusively for batoning. The hand and tool head are not tight. The looseness of the handle helps prevent the tool from breaking. The angle of the handle in respect to the tool head is for levering. You can use this tool for woodworking, bushcraft, or making kindling like this chap is doing.

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In this video, you learn how to choose an axe for the job at hand as well as how to safely use the axe to process wood into kindling of various sizes,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5W6r5U7yBE

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In this video, you learn how to use a saw to cut AND split small logs without the use of other tools,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSOXU0rrqOM

>>34778021
>THEIR

>>34783742
>>34783751
>>34783756

Phew, I'm glad I scrolled all the way through the sea of retards to find that this thread actually delivers good content.

>>34770650

If it does break, it wasn't good enough

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>All these people that ACTUALLY use knives to split wood.

What the actual fuck.

Just got back from a week at my cabin in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, it has no electricity or powered heating.

We had to cut down and split wood every day to keep the cabin at an ambient 67° or so tempature.

WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU NOT USE A HATCHET?????

There is quite literally no reason to split wood unless you are trying to get it to light in a stove.

What the fuck, this whole thread is triggering.

>>34785093
You have to tear them down before you can build them up, kid.

>>34785352
Was all the dead fall gone or something? I usually clear the woods of deadfall and stack it up when I get to my place or before I leave. There's usually enough for at least several days. It also helps keep things better for walking around the local woods.

>>34782263
He was playing survival expert so yeah i guess he did know.

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>>34770830
>A comically overbuilt knife specialized for batoning is no longer a good general purpose tool.
Enter the BK2

It's actually pretty decent with batoning, not very good at anything else really.

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>>34783742
>a "froe"
>a froe
>a fro

>>34785352
What rifle is that?

>>34774435
>metal on metal
What the fuck did you think was gonna happen

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>>34786610
Did they finally start making those with full tang or are they still hollow inside?

>>34787089
Still skeletonized afaik.

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>>34787089
>Skeletonized slab tang is no longer full tang to some people
We may as well just cut to the chase and change the definition of full tang to pic related.

>>34774467
retard explains "well if imin a survival situation andi accidentaly hit a rock this bayonet will not take it"

Yes if you a a fucking retard using a bayonet as your only survival tool and are dumb enought to repeteadly hit a rock with another rock well maybe then its not only the tool but your own stupidity... they dont make retarded proof tools

So can you even baton Kukri or are they just used for everything else

>>34787152
Full tang should mean a solid piece of metal with holes only to install the rivets for the scales. Anything less shouldn't be considered full tang, because it becomes very misleading and companies take advantage of that.

>>34787659
see
>>34774439

Is this batoning stuff an /out/ meme or something?

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>>34785524
Dead fall was soaked and wouldn't burn for shit.

>>34786721
Marlin 1895 in 45-70, here's the pic unfucked

>>34788851
>it becomes very misleading
The term is already misleading as is, it's only recently that people started deciding it needed to mean anything other than a tang that runs the length of the handle.

>>34788961
more or less but its the meme that actually has legit points to why you shouldn't baton a knife

youtubers romanticized big knives being 9-12 inches long
(the pioneer being what i believe is nutnfancy)
as a lighter choice to an axe and everyone got on the hype train, myself also having been a fan in the past (2013 everyone on /out/ was sucking big knife dong)

>>34789171
Pretty much this.

The fuckhuge knife meme was championed by nutnfancy, probably because he's nearly incapable of using an axe (gotta save muh calories, man. I don't wanna be swingin' that thing. Gotta save muh ounces, etc.). A lot of people drank the batoning kool-aid on /k/ back in 2012 before /out/ was a thing. I took a sip of the kool-aid myself and got a Becker BK-9. Never get a knife like that, by the way. It's unwieldy and does no job particularly well except as maybe a meat cleaver.

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>>34788961
Yes, it is the only meme /out/ has besides shitting in rivers and leaving orange peels on trails.

No one actually batons, but we pretend.

>>34789171
>>34789382
In /out/ people kept saying batoning knives were lighter than hatchets. Turns out that several hatchets, like some Fisker models for instance, are actually lighter or the same weight as the batoning knives since the knives are much thicker than normal.

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>>34774213
>If you want to baton larger wood, get a longer, thicker, knife.
No, you just have to baton off edges instead batoning in half.

>>34789427
If you got that much time why not just gather some smaller sticks? The amount of calories you are burning doing that is going to be far more than the calories you burn carrying an axe and using it for the same thing.

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>>34789171
adding onto this

most people back in the day(2008 and forth on)
had this fetish for knives and wanted one so they could cut fuck huge logs so they figured they needed length

while not wrong what they failed to realize is thickness is just as good if not better than length

its quite literally the mans version of a penis and what they prefer,
>muh length
>muh girth

except i only see knife fags going on aND ON and on about
>"look at how long my knife is it can go through super thick logs bro!

i don't see axe fags bragging about how thick their axe heads are, they just know

knife fags literally compensating BTFO eternally

>>34789452
Because if all you have left are 100 hour fuels you need to split them open to get to the dry insides.

Nobody ITT has any idea what the fuck they are talking about.

>>34789424
Yep, that was one of the arguments we would hear back in the day. That and "why would you carry two tools (hatchet + knife) when you could carry one that does the job of both?" Problem is that it doesn't necessarily do both of the jobs, nor does it do the jobs particularly well. And like you said, you don't save that much weight. Between the knife and hatchet, maybe a pound of total weight savings for one inferior tool.

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>>34789171
>>34789537
Not a knife guy here

Is there a hybrid knife that is the best of all worlds, has endurance strength and versatile kind of like how the AR15 is the gold standard of infantry rifles?

>>34790749
No. In order to withstand striking force, a blade has to be thick and made of softer steel. In order to cut, it has to be made of very hard steel ground very thin. You can't have it both ways. Get a knife for cutting tasks, and use it to carve a wedge out of wood.

>>34790749
Sort of.

As far as a general purpose fighting/working knife, The Kukuri is hard to beat. After all, its actually an axe cleverly disguised as a knife.

If you mean a kniife that's good as both a workhorse and as a detail work tool, then no. If your blade is big enough to split logs with, then it's generally too large and clumsy to do any sort of detail work with.

Even the kukuri traditionally came with a tiny (2 inch blade) knife for smallwork, tucked behind the main sheath.

>>34770650
a-aAnon kun

>>34770686
Use a wedge you dumb nigger.

>>34778804
>A chip means its broken

>>34774410
The Junglas at the top looks fine.

>>34774410
>batoning with an opinel

>>34774229
This. Also thick handled wood handles can be bad too, since they won't flex enough and WILL transfer more energy right into your wrist and forearms, of course not as bad as the steel or aluminum handled ones but you're talking, if you're working to the same point of "fuck this", you'll get far less work done

>>34774439
>this wood is obviously bad

>>34783742
That's actually neat, I've never heard of those before.

Thanks lad.

>>34774817
this

Any one think if a knife breaks at all no matter what its a shit knife ?

>>34774795
A hatchet or small forest axe at the minimum. You can roughly do almost anything with a decent hatchet that you can with a knife as long as you're not a dumb ass that is prone to self injury and lack coordination/self awareness. Hatchets and small forest axes are better for virtually everything except for meal prep/game processing and processing fine materials. Ideally though a decent full tang fixed blade knife (no tanto bullshit either) and, again, a decent wooden handled hatchet or small forest axe. Don't baton shit. Don't think that just because an axe isn't a knife that you can treat it like a club. A decent hatchet or axe with the right handle for you and one which you profile the edge correctly will save you a lot of energy.

>>34794834
Any knife will break given enough abuse. A knife is not supposed to be indestructible. It's supposed to be a useful cutting tool. Take care of it, use it for its intended purpose, and it will give you years of good service.

>>34794834
Yea, my machete and bayonet take batoning pretty well

>>34794834
No. Just don't do axe/hatchet work with a fucking knife. There is no god damn reason for it. The handle on your axe/hatchet breaks? Make a new fucking handle with your knife and axe head. Hand axes were a thing for two fucking million years, wrap it in some cordage or something if you need to use it to chop down your new handle to length, better yet though have a saw.

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>>34774450
>Handgun on belt
>No magazine

>>34795143
Some states have stupid laws where you can't open carry a loaded firearm but you can open carry an unloaded firearm. California was like that until they completely banned open carry

>>34795157
>open carry an unloaded firearm
For what purpose?

>>34795223
Probably just to make transportation of a firearm easier? Idk

>le bushcraft meme
There are 9999 tons of twigs to make as much campires as anyone would ever need. Why the fuck do you faggots have to keep trying this batoning bullshit.

>>34774439
That was fucking stressful to watch, was expecting himself to lop his limbs off accidentally due to his constant mishandling of the fucking knife!! What a retard.

>>34786657

>a foe-fro

>>34774479
Was waiting to see if he'd bash his fingers accidentally

>>34773883
>Fallkniven F1
Swede's love them. Good enough for me. Good enough for you. Carry on.

>>34790749
>>34790934
best answer your probably going to get
condor heavy duty kukri best one if you insist on using one

>>34798033
thanks buddy

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If youre going to baton, do smol woods. Or do what i did, find an old chevy c6 and turn a chunk of leaf spring into the ultimate stick basher

>>34770745

... how did they not figure out how to do that?

>>34800102
same thing >>34770949 said. they focus too much on gear and the proposed task. they aren't thinking outside the box; which is exactly what most people do.

>>34770745

This is literally what us axe fags think of you batonnys

>>34770713
You had me until 'tasks people will actually use them for.' That doesn't always mean an appropriate use.

>>34789382
And the one video he DOES do on axes
He more or less outright says
>ehhh prolly the only axe video ill ever do but here you go i guess

What confuses me is
He totally contradicts his choice by redundance
>"gotta always make sure to have atleast 2 backup woods knives innawoods incase your main one breaks"
For the 2-3 maybe even 4 knives hes carries he could ha e 1 fuckinf scandi axe and be better off for it,
>muh weight
>muh calories

He made up some retarded phrase so people wouldnt get on him for contradicting himself
Somethig along the lines of
>size and weight constraints

>>34801326
Don't forget comparing batoning to sitting there trying to chop through an entire fallen log with an axe. "Oh god I'm working so hard right now" no shit you're an overweight stroke victim cosplaying a lumberjack.

>>34801421
>stroke victim

gets me everytime