What would have happened if d-day failed?

>>34766353
More dead burgers.

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>>34766353
the right side would have one.

85% of the Wehrmacht's combat casualties were at the hands of the Red Army. The western front was a sideshow. D-Day failing would have delayed the fall of Berlin by a few months, and that's it.

>>34766365
>he thinks the allies would have just given up
>forgetting about the soviet union

>>34766353
for dday to faill so many factors would have had to have been so significantly different that the entire history of ww2 would have to be vastly changed

It basically went as bad as it could of, with no armor or accurate artillery on Omaha and the paratroopers all missing their drop zones. It still succeeded because the combined Alied strength vs Germany's defenses was totally lopsided.

>>34766353
the slavs might have tried to gobble up more land than they were allowed int he peace agreement

>>34766353
I might not have been born

>>34766353
>if D-Day failed
That would mean America would have never joined the Allies and the soviets would have never pushed as far as they did

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>>34766406
>never joined the allies

they joined the allies the second pearl harbor was bombed...

In the terrible summer of 1945, the U.S. Army had just completed the destruction of Europe and had set up a government of military occupation amid the ruins to rule the starving Germans and deal out victors' justice to the vanquished. General George S. Patton, commander of the U.S. Third Army, became military governor of the greater portion of the American occupation zone of Germany.

It was only in the final days of the war and during his tenure as military governor of Germany -- after he had gotten to know both the Germans and America's "gallant Soviet allies" -- that Patton's understanding of the true situation grew and his opinions changed. In his diary and in many letters to his family, friends, various military colleagues, and government officials, he expressed his new understanding and his apprehensions for the future. His diary and his letters were published in 1974 by the Houghton Mifflin Company under the title The Patton Papers.

Several months before the end of the war, General Patton had recognized the fearful danger to the West posed by the Soviet Union, and he had disagreed bitterly with the orders which he had been given to hold back his army and wait for the Red Army to occupy vast stretches of German, Czech, Rumanian, Hungarian, and Yugoslav territory, which the Americans could have easily taken instead.

On May 7, 1945, just before the German capitulation, Patton had a conference in Austria with U.S. Secretary of War Robert Patterson. Patton was gravely concerned over the Soviet failure to respect the demarcation lines separating the Soviet and American occupation zones. He was also alarmed by plans in Washington for the immediate partial demobilization of the U.S. Army.

>>34766430
Long before that with lend lease programs and the US and UK having been buddy-buddy for decades at that point. Pearl just initiated American military actions.

>>34766382
United States was also fighting a war on two fronts, against an enemy that would fight to 99% or 100% casualties.

Patton said to Patterson: "Let's keep our boots polished, bayonets sharpened, and present a picture of force and strength to the Red Army. This is the only language they understand and respect."

Patterson replied, "Oh, George, you have been so close to this thing so long, you have lost sight of the big picture."

Patton rejoined:

"I understand the situation. Their (the Soviet) supply system is inadequate to maintain them in a serious action such as I could put to them. They have chickens in the coop and cattle on the hoof -- that's their supply system. They could probably maintain themselves in the type of fighting I could give them for five days. After that it would make no difference how many million men they have, and if you wanted Moscow I could give it to you. They lived on the land coming down. There is insufficient left for them to maintain themselves going back. Let's not give them time to build up their supplies. If we do, then . . . we have had a victory over the Germans and disarmed them, but we have failed in the liberation of Europe; we have lost the war!"

>>34766365
>not realising after Stalingrad the war was pretty much won and if D-Day had failed then Stalin would've just taken over the rest of Europe and told Churchill to go fuck himself for not helping him in the way that was promised

Patton's urgent and prophetic advice went unheeded by Patterson and the other politicians and only served to give warning about Patton's feelings to the alien conspirators behind the scenes in New York, Washington, and Moscow.

The more he saw of the Soviets, the stronger Patton's conviction grew that the proper course of action would be to stifle communism then and there, while the chance existed. Later in May 1945 he attended several meetings and social affairs with top Red Army officers, and he evaluated them carefully. He noted in his diary on May 14:

"I have never seen in any army at any time, including the German Imperial Army of 1912, as severe discipline as exists in the Russian army. The officers, with few exceptions, give the appearance of recently civilized Mongolian bandits."

Operation Dragoon would have been more difficult.

>>34766430
You misunderstand
See >>34766397
The only way it could have failed would be if America was never there, and that implies more changes prior to D day

And Patton's aide, General Hobart Gay, noted in his own journal for May 14: "Everything they (the Russians) did impressed one with the idea of virility and cruelty."

Nevertheless, Patton knew that the Americans could whip the Reds then -- but perhaps not later. On May 18 he noted in his diary:

"In my opinion, the American Army as it now exists could beat the Russians with the greatest of ease, because, while the Russians have good infantry, they are lacking in artillery, air, tanks, and in the knowledge of the use of the combined arms, whereas we excel in all three of these. If it should be necessary to fight the Russians, the sooner we do it the better."

Two days later he repeated his concern when he wrote his wife: "If we have to fight them, now is the time. From now on we will get weaker and they stronger."

Having immediately recognized the Soviet danger and urged a course of action which would have freed all of eastern Europe from the communist yoke with the expenditure of far less American blood than was spilled in Korea and Vietnam and would have obviated both those later wars not to mention World War III -- Patton next came to appreciate the true nature of the people for whom World War II was fought: the Jews.

Most of the Jews swarming over Germany immediately after the war came from Poland and Russia, and Patton found their personal habits shockingly uncivilized.

He was disgusted by their behavior in the camps for Displaced Persons (DP's) which the Americans built for them and even more disgusted by the way they behaved when they were housed in German hospitals and private homes. He observed with horror that "these people do not understand toilets and refuse to use them except as repositories for tin cans, garbage, and refuse . . . They decline, where practicable, to use latrines, preferring to relieve themselves on the floor."

He described in his diary one DP camp,

"where, although room existed, the Jews were crowded together to an appalling extent, and in practically every room there was a pile of garbage in one corner which was also used as a latrine. The Jews were only forced to desist from their nastiness and clean up the mess by the threat of the butt ends of rifles. Of course, I know the expression 'lost tribes of Israel' applied to the tribes which disappeared -- not to the tribe of Judah from which the current sons of bitches are descended. However, it is my personal opinion that this too is a lost tribe -- lost to all decency."

Patton's initial impressions of the Jews were not improved when he attended a Jewish religious service at Eisenhower's insistence. His diary entry for September 17, 1945, reads in part:

"This happened to be the feast of Yom Kippur, so they were all collected in a large, wooden building, which they called a synagogue. It behooved General Eisenhower to make a speech to them. We entered the synagogue, which was packed with the greatest stinking bunch of humanity I have ever seen. When we got about halfway up, the head rabbi, who was dressed in a fur hat similar to that worn by Henry VIII of England and in a surplice heavily embroidered and very filthy, came down and met the General . . . The smell was so terrible that I almost fainted and actually about three hours later lost my lunch as the result of remembering it."

These experiences and a great many others firmly convinced Patton that the Jews were an especially unsavory variety of creature and hardly deserving of all the official concern the American government was bestowing on them.

Another September diary entry, following a demand from Washington that more German housing be turned over to Jews, summed up his feelings:

"Evidently the virus started by Morgenthau and Baruch of a Semitic revenge against all Germans is still working. Harrison (a U.S. State Department official) and his associates indicate that they feel German civilians should be removed from houses for the purpose of housing Displaced Persons. There are two errors in this assumption. First, when we remove an individual German we punish an individual German, while the punishment is -- not intended for the individual but for the race.

Furthermore, it is against my Anglo-Saxon conscience to remove a person from a house, which is a punishment, without due process of law. In the second place, Harrison and his ilk believe that the Displaced Person is a human being, which he is not, and this applies particularly to the Jews, who are lower than animals."

One of the strongest factors in straightening out General Patton's thinking on the conquered Germans was the behavior of America's controlled news media toward them. At a press conference in Regensburg, Germany, on May 8, 1945, immediately after Germany's surrender, Patton was asked whether he planned to treat captured SS troops differently from other German POW's. His answer was:

"No. SS means no more in Germany than being a Democrat in America -- that is not to be quoted. I mean by that that initially the SS people were special sons of bitches, but as the war progressed they ran out of sons of bitches and then they put anybody in there. Some of the top SS men will be treated as criminals, but there is no reason for trying someone who was drafted into this outfit . . ."

Despite Patton's request that his remark not be quoted, the press eagerly seized on it, and Jews and their front men in America screamed in outrage over Patton's comparison of the SS and the Democratic Party as well as over his announced intention of treating most SS prisoners humanely.

With great reluctance, and only after repeated promptings from Eisenhower, he had thrown German families out of their homes to make room for more than a million Jewish DP's -- part of the famous "six million" who had supposedly been gassed -- but he balked when ordered to begin blowing up German factories, in accord with the infamous Morgenthau Plan to destroy Germany's economic basis forever. In his diary he wrote:

"I doubted the expediency of blowing up factories, because the ends for which the factories are being blown up -- that is, preventing Germany from preparing for war -- can be equally well attained through the destruction of their machinery, while the buildings can be used to house thousands of homeless persons."

jesus christ you nigger

Similarly, he expressed his doubts to his military colleagues about the overwhelming emphasis being placed on the persecution of every German who had formerly been a member of the National Socialist party. In a letter to his wife of September 14, 1945, he said:

"I am frankly opposed to this war criminal stuff. It is not cricket and is Semitic. I am also opposed to sending POW's to work as slaves in foreign lands (i.e., the Soviet Union's Gulags), where many will be starved to death."

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>>34766543
>the Jews, who are lower than animals.

You got lost, but that's okay, I'll show you the way back: >>>/pol/

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>>34766553
fuck off

Despite his disagreement with official policy, Patton followed the rules laid down by Morgenthau and others back in Washington as closely as his conscience would allow, but he tried to moderate the effect, and this brought him into increasing conflict with Eisenhower and the other politically ambitious generals. In another letter to his wife he commented:

"I have been at Frankfurt for a civil government conference. If what we are doing (to the Germans) is 'Liberty, then give me death.' I can't see how Americans can sink so low. It is Semitic, and I am sure of it."

And in his diary he noted:,

"Today we received orders . . . in which we were told to give the Jews special accommodations. If for Jews, why not Catholics, Mormons, etc? . . . We are also turning over to the French several hundred thousand prisoners of war to be used as slave labor in France. It is amusing to recall that we fought the Revolution in defense of the rights of man and the Civil War to abolish slavery and have now gone back on both principles."

His duties as military governor took Patton to all parts of Germany and intimately acquainted him with the German people and their condition. He could not help but compare them with the French, the Italians, the Belgians, and even the British. This comparison gradually forced him to the conclusion that World War II had been fought against the wrong people.

After a visit to ruined Berlin, he wrote his wife on July 21, 1945: "Berlin gave me the blues. We have destroyed what could have been a good race, and we are about to replace them with Mongolian savages. And all Europe will be communist. It's said that for the first week after they took it (Berlin), all women who ran were shot and those who did not were raped. I could have taken it (instead of the Soviets) had I been allowed."

>>34766353
Europe gets taken over by the Soviet Union.

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>>34766445
>>34766360

trip fag shoah when

>>34766365
Yep. We would be on Mars. Robotics and things like CRISPR would have been implemented.

>>34766382
>85% of the Wehrmachat's combat kills were of the Red Army.
FTFY.

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>>34766571
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>>34766695
white genocide wasn't an issue in the 30s and 40s you autistic turbonigger

the british empire and the US had the soviets under controll. Germany had to sperg out and ruin everything

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>>34766571
>>34766572

The Germans were fucking retarded, had they just expelled the Jews like Hungary did, and did not invade Poland, they would've had the support of the entire western allies behind their backs against the Soviet hordes and we could've avoided over 50 yrs of rampant terrorism, unending proxy wars and political subversion.

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>>34766747
It has all ways been the plan.

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>>34766774

>>34766430
Acktuallyy they joined four days afterwards when Hitler declared on the US.

Some people thought WWII would be two parallel but separate wars. Though that was unlikely after Pearl.

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>>34766695
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>>34766794
this is not the place to discuss history or politics, either go to >>>/his/ if you want to make a fool of yourself or >>>/pol/ if you want your NatSoc safespace.

Protip: sources in your infographs would be nice, but that would reveal the bullshit, wouldn't it?

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>>34766838
Why would you tattoo a man before throwing him in a oven?

>>34766853
because most camp inmates had to work months until they died of exhaustion, starvation or mistreatment, and the guards wanted to be able to identify them easily.

At least put a little effort in your bullshit, but again, this is not the place to discuss such topics.

>>34766890
They were death camps not work camps. Or are you saying death camps didn't exist.

Why would you tattoo a man before throwing him in a oven?

>>34766923
>The common belief that all concentration camps put tattoos on inmates is not true.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identification_in_Nazi_camps

Again, I suggest you ask these questions on >>>/his/, this is not the place for such discussions.

it would have failed if hitler didnt wait to release the 1st SS panzer corps until after all the allies had already landed. it took 12 fucking hours to order them to battle.

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>>34766966
Answer my question you fucking kike, we all know that that isn't the narrative that is pushed. An you know its bs also.

>>34766651
that too, but Russia had to many guys.

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>>34766983
Your article address nothing on the question posed.

>>34766966

it just references more death camps with [citations needed].

>>34766983
>Why would you tattoo a man before throwing him in a oven?
to identify him you fucking retard

>>34767035
Photographs, log books of names. We have those yet us silly stupid Germans cant read or take photos, by gosh Hans we sure can tattoo.

>>34766365
The soviets? Europe would completely fall to communism after WWII, including the U.K. Followed by the rest of the world East of the Atlantic

>>34766747
>US
>being led by Stalin's biggest admirer FDR
>having them under control

We had opened the doors to them and gave their GRU agents access to everything they wanted and they had done the same in bongland though at least in their case it wasn't the actual head of the GRU they opened their doors to. The Commies before the war were training airborne troops, which weren't exactly meant for defense, en masse. They themselves were preparing for the invasion of Europe and the only thing that prevented it from working was that the German attack brought every other western nations army to bear, wore them down so they only got half. I don't think Germany could have succeeded in destroying them, but they did the next best thing and bought the rest of us time. It was a horrible outcome but not near the worst.

>>34767044
so what's simpler and less prone to mistakes?

Having grainy photos of thausands of skeletons looking basically the same and issuing lists with the photos to every guard or simply identifying everyone by a specific number?

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>>34767091
Photos are pretty easy for workers, even easier than tattoos covered by sleeves.
Unless you plan on tattooing someone before throwing them in and oven and not using a crematorium for natural deaths.

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>>34767220
https://www.quora.com/In-the-Holocaust-were-the-gas-chamber-doors-really-made-out-of-wood

>>34766923
You're a big goy....

>>34766838

Einsatzgruppen is literally task force in German, basically any non-permanent military formation was a fucking Einsatzgruppen. Most of those had nothing to do with 6 gorillion dead kikes.

>>34767470
it is clear what is meant in the context of Einsatzgruppen of SS or SD.

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>>34767470
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>>34766353
German defeat would merely have been delayed

>>34767220
Oh look it's the door meme
Debunking time!

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>>34767220

>>34766353
If D-day had failed, the Soviet Union would've defeated Nazi Germany anyways and all of Europe would've turned red. The United States would've become a Garrison State. We'd be extremely nationalistic and isolationist kind of like North Korea. It'd probably be pretty cool. There'd definitely be less liberals and shitskins running around.

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>>34767597
>infographics debunking Holocaust denial
Shouldn't you be smugly talking about "drumpfkins" over in r/politics right now?

>>34767712
Nah, just because you're not a deluded Stormfaggot doesn't mean you can't be on this site.

>>34767770
#JustShillThings

>>34767826
see you don't even try to prove your bullshit anymore, so fuck off.

>>34766353
There was invasion in southern France but most people don't know that

>>34767059
I hate communism but that is one of the most fucking retarded comments I have ever read on /k/. The Soviet union would've raped the shit out of Europe

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>>34766360
More like a sudden jump in availability of sauerkraut

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>>34766382
>The western front was a sideshow.
Let's just ignore the hundreds of thousands of German soldiers captured in the west and all of the destroyed equipment. Let's also forget about the bombing campaigns against Germany which seriously hampered their ability to wage war.

>Muh k/d

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>>34767712
>If you don't support Nazis you must be a leftist
Wew

>>34767826
Go and whine about DE JEWZ on /pol/ faggot

>>34766404
neither would i, certainly not in germany anyway.

>>34766382
>london getting bombed to shit
still a pretty fucking important "sideshow" when you have front row seats against your will

>>34766571
lol this commie meme again

>>34766353
Germany's defeat would be delayed by few months. Soviet union might have conquered whole europe. Not so good.

We would have continued up through Italy. It would have taken a lot longer, and with no real Western Front, the Nazis could have fought back the Reds.

>>34768192
>guns have nothing to do with politics
l-mao

>>34766483

This.

Allies would have poured more men and resources into invasion of southern France and kept pressure up in Italy.

Either way, Overlord or Dragoon, the target would have been to blast the fuck our of the industrial heart, The Rhur.

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>>34766353

pregnant Anne Frank porn would still probably not exist so basically the same