Osprey

>>34765471
Absolutly nothing at all.

>>34765471
It was a mechanical nightmare for the longest time and got it's fair share of troops killed because of it.

Now that the kinks are (((mostly))) ironed out it's about midway between black hawks and seaknights

So really it a cool but expensive idea

>>34765471
Safest aircraft operated by the USMC.

>>34765471

Nothing, it's great.

V-44 when?

>>34765489
>>34765501
>>34767580
Then why does it seem to be crashing all the time?

>>34768252
Because military helicopters crash a lot. Osprey has a checkered past, thus more attention gets paid when one crashes. Its just as reliable as the other military helicopters.

>>34768359
The reason military helicopters crash 'frequently' is that there are many of the them and they are used constantly.

if one side descends too fast it ends up in its own wash. losing all lift and it flips the bird over into an unrecoverable dive.

>>34765497
>(((mostly)))
What did he mean by this?

>>34768380
Isn't this still a problem with more conventional helicopters?

>>34768252
Because everything crashes during testing and helicopters/VTOL craft are extra prone to this. Since journalists and you don't understand this, they think its a bfd and write about it as a fail, and then you and people like you take 100IQ retards with english degrees shitting out pasta for a fish wrapper seriously. This emboldens them, and so the cycle of ignorance continues.

>>34768252
The Machine God must be fed, anon

>>34768401
they don't have side by side rotors. so they don't flip. they just descend suddenly straight down. which you can recover from with enough power and forward momentum.

>>34768402
You seem upset, friend.

They crashed a lot during and after testing. I once met one of their engineers who told me "they had a few minor issues but they are great now." So even their own people won't admit to the bloodshed.

>>34768402
100 IQ is literally dead average. 68% of the population falls between 88 and 112 IQ points. You sound like one of those enlightened neckbeards.

>>34765471
it likes to crash

>>34768439
Yeah? No shit. A new aircraft and a VTOL at that crashes...a lot...during testing...and during initial use.

Sound the alarm, we've got breaking news for everyone who isn't historically or statistically literate.

>>34768449
100 IQ is average. It's also dumb as rocks. The average person is about as sharp as a bowling ball.

>>34768449
That's my point, anon.

Nowadays(tm) mentally deficient is rated around 70 IQ points in the USA. Back around the 1960s, it was 85; which was politically inconvenient during the civil rights movement for /pol/ reasons.

Now, the top quartile of engineers are over 120. So if you're an engineer good at your job (I think I am), you're probably in that group; and the gap between you and the average normie is equivalent or greater than the gap between them and a pre-PC retard.

tl;dr, I shave, lad

>>34768509
Well said!

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>>34765471
Needs more Kraut space magic.

>>34765471
>What the fuck is wrong with this thing.

We can't build them fast enough to get rid of the the Vietnam era air frames plaguing the US military.

>>34768522
We're in the wrong timeline

>>34765471
It's an overly complicated, overly expensive answer to a question nobody asked. It takes the capabilities of a mediocre fixed wing transport and fuses them with the capabilities of a mediocre transport helicopter to create a mediocre aircraft that's only real niche is looking cool on Marines recruiting billboards.

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>>34768522

I prefer Bell meme machines

>>34768252
>12 accidents over 20 year
>a lot

Choose one or choose to be retarded.

>>34765471
Had to wait 2 years to milk this meme, eh?

Your (you) farms must not be doing well if you're desperate enough to jump at this.

>>34768252
>all the time

>>34768522
Serenity

>>34765471
Hey I live there.

>>34769323
(you)

>>34765501
i know the stallion is worse, but that's dishonest, because the USMC is not the only group that operates them, nor does that have anything to do with the craft's flaws, if any, itself.

>>34769031
Also spending lots of money so that these generals can retire at a nice defense contractor.
The fact the Osprey full stop can't do the mission of the helicopter it replaced is irrelevant, since the Marines will never be asked to do anything

>>34765471
Maybe it just wants to die because it's an unGodly abomination of plane and helicopter

It crashes less often per flight hour than any other rotary or fixed wing aircraft.

>>34765471

Not again!!

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/military/rescue-efforts-called-3-marines-missing-after-osprey-crash-near-n789921

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/08/05/search-for-three-missing-marines-ended-after-aircraft-crash-off-australia.html

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/defence/search-for-us-marines-off-queensland/news-story/e1f1ecb95fb0cfbfe1ee8cc47c1c5f3c?nk=e78a10fa3ff27918243fb6317e24e8b1-1501988662

>>34768509
You really don´tbknow how IQ works.

>>34770240
meanwhile the crashes are classified so we'll only know about them if someone photographed it

The ospreys a pile of shit, super expensive to purchase/operate, terrible at high altitude or vertical lifting, incapable of aggressive maneuvering while descending, and creates dust storms like crazy.

>>34765471
36% average FMC rate.
T. Maintainer

>>34768252
>muhreens

>>34765471
>What the fuck is wrong with this thing.
The high media profile. It's no less safe than helos nowadays.

>>34768403
All hail the Omnissiah!

>>34768509
>Using IQ as a measure of adult populations
Fucking stop already. The sole purpose of it is to get a snapshot of a child's development compared to their peers and is mostly a literacy test with limited use beyond that.

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BIll Clinton Approved it so that he could suicide Special forces, General, et al, by sending them off in one of these and they crash! You know your a high value targets for the Pol's when you are sent off in one of these
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DD3PmZQb2ts

>>34770087
>Hurr generals buy stuff to get jobs after meme
The only person you can actually present of that is Riccioni, who completely failed with that trying to push the F-20.

>>34768522
post meme planes

>>34770087
Also, fast as a turboprop but can land like a helo? SOCOM loves the shit out of them.

>>34770485
Neither of those things are true

>>34770466
This is something brainlets tell themselves to make themselves feel better.

>According to Schmidt and Hunter, "for hiring employees without previous experience in the job the most valid predictor of future performance is general mental ability."[99] The validity of IQ as a predictor of job performance is above zero for all work studied to date, but varies with the type of job and across different studies, ranging from 0.2 to 0.6.[100] The correlations were higher when the unreliability of measurement methods was controlled for.[9] While IQ is more strongly correlated with reasoning and less so with motor function,[101] IQ-test scores predict performance ratings in all occupations.[99]

>large-scale longitudinal studies indicate an increase in IQ translates into an increase in performance at all levels of IQ: i.e. ability and job performance are monotonically linked at all IQ levels.[107][108] Charles Murray, coauthor of The Bell Curve, found that IQ has a substantial effect on income independent of family background.[109]

>n his book The g Factor (1998), Arthur Jensen cited data which showed that, regardless of race, people with IQs between 70 and 90 have higher crime rates than people with IQs below or above this range, with the peak range being between 80 and 90.

>>34770517
Both are, it's the inherent design you idiot.

>>34770518
>Random bullshit quotes without a linked source to determine if it's real science or some junk journal that publishes anything they get paid for with no peer review

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>>34770466
>The sole purpose of it is to get a snapshot of a child's development compared to their peers
There are so many things wrong with this sentence it boggles my mind that the government hasn't euthanized you for the public's safety.

>>34770622
That's what the entire test was designed for, dumbass. It was never intended for testing adults, or giving a permanent "intelligence" rating. And especially not for eugenicists to weaponize. Look into the actual fucking history of it.

>>34770606
No
The V-22 is a compromise design, an old shitty design that should have been killed in the 80's until proper modelling/fly-by-wire made it possible.

>>34770706
Eh, like any first of type it had teething issues, but it's an objective fact that its a lot faster than helicopters, similar to turboprops, and can land where helos can.

The "compromise" is in internal carriage space, but really, at this point you're just being willfully ignorant.

>>34770668
>look into the actual history of it
Ok, fucktard.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/9780470015902.a0005612/abstract
Oh shit! Dammit! It looks like you're fucking retarded. It was used exactly for what you said it wasn't used for. FUCK.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_quotient#Current_tests
>The most commonly used individual IQ test series is the Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale for adults
FUCK! IT'S USED ON ADULTS! That's not what you said it's used for!

Fucking moron.

>>34770791
>Later follow-ons that aren't actually the IQ test
Done looking stupid?

>>34770606
>he's too stupid to google words to determine sauce

Brainlet confirmed.

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>>34770924
>Posting bullshit and demanding others Google it
Yep, as expected of the "IQ is an objective measure" crowd.

>>34770760
>but it's an objective fact that its a lot faster than helicopters
It's only marginally faster than helicopters at low altitude flying.

>and can land where helos can.

Helicopters can land much higher than an Osprey can, due to their bigger rotors.
Osprey also needs a lot of forward motion to land safely, much more so than a helicopter.
The Osprey has been cut to the bare minimum too, with high pressure hydraulics, zero armor anywhere, no defense weapons, unpressurized cabin, lacking crash proof seats(though I believe it has them now), etc
Thats the way it managed any payload at all.

There are other ways of making helicopters that can go fast, such as a compound helichopper.

>>34771062
>There are other ways of making helicopters that can go fast, such as a compound helichopper.
But they don't work anywhere near as well.

>>34770353
>Memeing this hard with false information
They're at 1.52 class A mishaps per flight hour.
It has fewer Class A (Million+dollar damage, death or permanent disability) Mishaps than the Sea Knight, about half as many as the A-10, 1/5th of the F-16, marginally fewer than the Blackhawk, about half that of the Chinook, somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2 of the Apache.

>>34771062
V-22:
Top speed: 275kn
Cruise: 241

UH-60:
Top: 159
Cruise: 150

Cessna 170:
Top: 140
Cruise: 120

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>>34771913
But muh AH-56

>>34765471

If you look into it, it has a very good combat safety record, and it can do things that other aircraft just can't.

Almost every incident that has occurred with this thing has been due to issues with the maintenance carried out on it.

>>34772116
Fucking lazy ass mechs I swear to god

>>34770791
you sound retarded

>>34765471
F16s had their own fair share of problems when it started development

>>34765471
>What the fuck is wrong with this thing.

It's butt ugly.

>>34772213
it's beautiful

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>>34772218

This

>>34765471

During the testing phase of that thing they didn't conduct thorough enough training and had some technical problems, which lead to a series of crashes and deaths. This in turn led to a journalist shitstorm, since the funding/development wasn't secured yet IIRC.

>>34765471
Nothing, eats marines as intended

>>34765471
It leaked fluid on me on me the first time I rode on one. Grabbed the flight crew guy and was like wtf dude?

He told me if the bird isn't leaking fluids I should be worried. Gotten lifts from the Navy, Army, and Marines. We use each other's bases, and even Army flys us Marines from time to time.

>>34772116
Or pilots getting reckless. Apparently this thing is so fast and nimble in the air when in fixed wing mode that pilots tend to handle it more briskly than advisable in helicopter mode.

>>34768252
because you believe the liberal jew media.

>>34768522
>>34769050
>we don't have Orcas yet
Fuck bean counters!
And
Fuck backwards!

>>34771130
They work far better at actually being a helicopter and doing helicopter things

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>>34768402
>>34772876
>>34769305
>>34769348
>>34768468
>all these Boeing cucks
Admit it, if Lockheed made the Osprey it wouldn't crash even half as much. But go ahead and keep defending it. Hopefully you'll die in one someday. :^)

>>34772462
Are Marines spicy?

>>34765471
Didn't like the answers you got in the other thread?

>>34768785

>>34772116
>Almost every incident that has occurred with this thing has been due to issues with the maintenance carried out on it.

Ya, it's almost like its an overly complicated mechanics nightmare that requires absurd amounts of upkeep and labor compared to traditional aircraft.

But fuck that. Who cares if it requires a fucking techpriest of the adeptus mechanicus to keep it running, or that it costs an asinine amount of money to produce and maintain. As long as it goes fast who cares? It's all taxpayer money anyway.

>>34768395
That they hired a bunch of Israeli engineers to troubleshoot the 90s-era avionics that predate the rest of the aircraft because development took so long that there was a need to update components IN THE DESIGN PHASE

>>34768252

gravity and steel beams

>>34772108
Fucking sexy why was this this scrapped anyway?

>>34776707
Because the A-10 was designed to kill it.

>>34768456
/thread

>>34770485
>SOCOM loves the shit out of them

Why didn't the Seals use ospreys on the Bin Laden raid?

>>34777476
>Why didn't the Seals use ospreys on the Bin Laden raid?

stealthy helicopters anon

>>34777542

If stealth helicopters are better than ospreys, they why buy ospreys at all?

>>34777769
>just pretending to be retarded

>>34777828

Answer the question, faggot.

>>34777949
If guns are better weapons than spoons, why make spoons at all?
And now to pour delicious cream of chicken into my mouth with my 12 ga-BLAM

>>34777949
>lets use stealth helicopters everywhere lol

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>>34773323
>NEVER EVER

REEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>34765471
it was designed to crash a lot to provide Boeing with shekels for replacement Ospreys

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>>34768522
>Needs more Kraut space magic
Never not true.

>>34765471
It's very loud when it flies over my house

>>34777769
RANGE

>>34768509
The Lake Wobegon effect

>>34768252
Cuz it keeps crashing under Japan buildings and kills people in a 1st world country, literally the only reason people are bitching about it.

I saw one go down while at Quantico circa 1992 ish. (22 dead)The thing is a fucking death trap. The wiring for the engines melts, shorts out, engines die, marines die.

>>34785280
No you didnt, one, and two, read the thread. Every helo ever is a death machine.

>>34768252
MUHREENS