Indian military

>>34763717
China

>>34763717
>Fags that can't even poo in the loo
What do you think?

>>34763717
China

>>34763725
>>34763729
>Microdick subhuman detected

Fuck off, Hwang. China is so shit that India would probably be able to steamroll them.

>>34763717
Anyone have that story from some USN guy that was aboard their ship for a week where there were actual slaves on the ship and shit everywhere?

>>34763717
China would in any border disputes or any combat on chinese land.

However, I would be very hard for China (or anyone else for that matter) to invade India, as it is compleatly covered in biological weapons.

>>34763717
Nobody
Both have nukes

>>34763744

The wonders of the cast system. Also looking for it.

>>34763739
Whoa there Pajeet, did someone else shit in your street this morning?

No need to get all defensive about your shitty military.

>>34763717
Assuming nobody nukes anything, China wins by a mile. Poos are not disciplined or cohesive enough for total war.
If there are nukes, everybody's fucked but the poos get fucked hardest.

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It is capable enough of defeating Pakistan in any major non-nuclear conflict.

It is not capable of defeating China in any major non-nuclear conflict.

>>34763739
Hwang is traditionally a Korean name, a family name.

>>34763717
>How capable is it?

They are likely less incompetent than Pakistanis.

China is overrated and is not quite as big a threat as many like to claim, but they would wipe the shit-spattered floor with India. Read up on India's homegrown infantry rifle and all the problems it has; emblematic of that country's approach to military matters.

>>34763717

literally shit tier

>>34763910
To say that you are less incompetent then pakis like saying you are better at human rights then North Korea. It really doesnt prove anything.

A friend of mine was a military observer for a year in Pakistan and when he came back, he said: I have seen pretty much all of Pakistan, and met hundreds of people, and there is literally nothing of value worth keeping in the Pashtun culture

>>34763739
>Fuck off, Hwang
>Hwang

american education

I think China's airlift capabilities are pretty limited at the moment, it's something they're actively working on. Would be interesting to know how many troops and general material India has near the contested border region compared to China.

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>>34763950
>there is literally nothing of value worth keeping in the Pashtun culture

According to Wikipedia: Pakistan is 15.42% Pashtun

Pakistan also has a quite competent military considering the rest of the country, and of course basic hygeine which is a plus. Keep in mind that India is many times the size of Pakistan in area and population.

>>34763717
China

>>34763974

Im not trying to say India is better, India is total shittier too. But Pakistan is still not in any way good.

>>34763717
>who would emerge victorious?

The rest of the world, doubly so if Pakistan somehow got roped into it and nukes where unleashed

>>34763744
>>34763751
http://www.paluba.info/smf/index.php?topic=17897.0&wap2

>>34763717
> tfw you flush the toilet and india is gone

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Since the other thread has hit the bump limit.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/this-time-it-s-likely-we-will-be-in-a-full-scale-war-with-china-very-soon-meghnad-desai/story-S74VHhbMKI4xqbUJqDcuAP_amp.html

>If a war is to break out in the two theatres, which he predicted will begin very soon, it will see the US and India on one side and China on the other.

>“Even today, nobody is contemplating that the whole Doklam thing could break anytime. We could be in a full scale war with China within a month. At that stage it will not be controllable. It may come as a surprise, but that is when the defence co-operation of India (with various countries) will bear fruit,”

>He said that India and the US have an “implicit defence relationship” and that the two countries can safely rely on each other. When asked specifically on the expected reaction of the United States in case there is a war between India and China and whether Washington would stand shoulder-to-shoulder with India, Desai responded: “Absolutely”.

>“Ultimately, you have to understand that India cannot stand up to China without American help and support. America cannot stand up to China without Indian help. That is the symmetry in this relationship,”

>He said that it is important to understand the Chinese thought process because they are “much more nationalistic, militaristic and aggressive” this time.

>Desai also suggested that India should not make the mistake of equating the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) with the Pakistani Army.

>“I think, from past experience, we always assume that we are well prepared but you will be fighting one of the finest armies in the world. It will be a very tough fight for India.

If goes from a skirmish to a long term war then India is fucked.

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>>34764030
>America cannot stand up to China without Indian help.

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How Long Can China and India Avoid War in the Himalayas?

http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/08/02/how-long-can-china-and-india-avoid-war-in-the-himalayas/

>Despite the challenges, there are several possible resolutions in sight if both sides — and third parties trying to defuse tension — strive to understand what might seem like mutually incompatible perspectives.

>For example, India could find alternative ways to grant Beijing a “win” by softening its position on China’s “One Belt, One Road” project, both sides could pursue international arbitration, or both sides could wait until harsh winter weather conditions force both sides forces to quietly draw down.

>Another “off ramp” to deescalate the crisis is a back-channel agreement with Bhutan appearing as the public arbiter, allowing both sides to save face. The most obvious solution, as many have identified, would be a mutual withdrawal and return to pre-June 16 positions – something which may already be slowly happening, as both draw back troops. For both sides to save face, the public narrative of their back-channel dialogue could rely on Bhutan.

>For example, India could claim Bhutan “thanked” India for its support and commitment to upholding the bilateral friendship treaty, but after deploying its own monitoring force, Bhutan requests that India withdraw its forces. This would allow India to withdraw without appearing to bend to Chinese demands, send a message that China’s salami tactics will be challenged, and buttress its credibility with states concerned with Chinese encroachment. For its part, China can claim India withdrew first and quietly halt road construction until a final settlement is reached between itself and Bhutan. This would give all sides, including Bhutan, a face-saving exit necessary to appease domestic audiences. At the same time, India and China will have exchanged clear signals on just how serious they are about the border — and how dangerous assumptions about the other side can be.

>>34764030

>America cannot stand up to China without Indian help

While this bit of the quote was roundly mocked in the other thread, and it was likely said with a bit of Indian arrogance, there is a little truth in it going forward. There is no other country on China's border that has the potential to act as a partner for the USA to counter China in future. All others are; too small (like Vietnam), too hostile to the USA (like Russia), too friendly to China (like Pakistan), or some combination (like Myanmar). Apart from anything else, it will be a colossal headache for China to secure both its Eastern coast & seas, and mountainous South-Western land border, since the military hardware and infrastructure needed for one area is of limited use in the other, straining Chinese military spending as they are forced to counter both threats.

>>34763989
Thanks!

Its funny reading all the poointheloo comments under youtube videos claiming they are #1 but cant even make a rifle

China would steamroll those gypsy subhumans

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>>34763989

> Have you ever seen a US ship do an unrep at sea? When we pull along side and shoot the shotline across (basically a thick piece of yarn for those who don't know) there's a nice soft tennis ball affixed to the end of it so that it'll bounce of the deck and someone can go retrieve it... the Indians shot a spear. A motherfucking spear. Like, a 16" long piece of metal with a point on the end....


>From what everybody back on my ship told me (after I got back, of course), they guy walked through our ship and engineering spaces and was amazed at how clean everything was and, ironically, that we had hot running water all day.

>>34763739

>american

>>34763989
That's just sad. I'd rather have the Indians win against the Chinese, but I'm starting to think the Chinks might have better odds against them.

>>34763751
>doesn't even spell 'caste' correctly

summer pls go

>>34764650
Indians contribute nothing to the world, why would you want them to win
Are you a streetshitter?

>>34764685
Just a personal preference, I'd rather have them than the Chinks.

>>34764842
you are retarded

>>34764842
>t. pajeet

Indians are the ones obsessed with wanting to enslave other races, especially whites for some reason.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijvVHdF7Ekc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl0b2LGf9jM

>>34765381
POOPER POWER IN 2030

india's military only has 10 days of ammo, for a war against Pakistan.

against China it would be even less. then india has to surrender or go nuclear.

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>>34763989
>They have an entire "class" of civilians onboard. I still don't know what to make of them. I think they were some sort of cheap labor, but everybody onboard referred to them as slaves. As in, they used the word "slave"

>>34763717
>A nation of people unable to obtain nudes from women

I dont know op...how competant is it?

What's up with all the poo posters coming out of the woodworks?

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Truths about Indian troops' illegal entry into Chinese territory

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2017-08/04/c_136500377.htm

>Does the Dong Lang area belong to China?

>Yes.

>The main focus of the dispute is the Dong Lang area.

>What are the consequences of India's illegally crossing the China-India border?

>According to the United Nations (UN) General Assembly Resolution 3314 adopted on Dec. 14, 1974, no consideration of whatsoever nature, whether political, economic, military or otherwise, may serve as a justification for the invasion or attack by the armed forces of a State of the territory of another State.

>To cross a delimited boundary and enter the territory of a neighboring country on the grounds of so-called "security concerns," for whatever activities, runs counter to the basic principles of international law and basic norms governing international relations.

>As a third party, India has no right to interfere in or impede the boundary talks between China and Bhutan, nor does it have the right to make territorial claims on Bhutan's behalf. India's intrusion into Chinese territory under the pretext of Bhutan has not only violated China's territorial sovereignty, but also challenged Bhutan's sovereignty and independence.

>The Chinese government urges the Indian government to immediately withdraw its trespassing border troops back to the Indian side of the boundary and conduct a thorough investigation into the illegal trespassing so as to swiftly and appropriately resolve the incident and restore peace and tranquility to the border area between the two countries.

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>>34766830
>it's another "China 'finds' documents signalling the entire world is their territory" episode

>>34766830
>>Does the Dong Lang area belong to China?
>>Yes.

Or so Beijing would have us believe.

See, this is the prickly bit. So Chinese media (wanting to stay out of Xi's magical fun genital electroschock therapy resort) will quickly sprint past it and move on to all the obvious shit after it, hoping we'll forget to wonder if this bit's correct or not.

Then again, India's democracy is eroding, so give it a decade or two and it might be the same shit both sides of Everest.

>>34766874
How can dust erode?

>>34766886
Religious fundamentalism, nothing it can't shit up.

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>>34763989
Funniest thing I have read in ages

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The more I think on the border issue, the more I think it may end in war. The key reason I think this is because of the way the Indian government has acted throughout. India spotted an opportunity in that China is currently preoccupied with Korea, so really don't want a war with India.

The reason is that while China can handle India in a fight, it cannot do so without committing significant military forces, especially PLAAF assets. India rightly deduced that China is worried that the US might try something in Korea if a significant part of China's best forces were tied down fighting India.

The one critical thing the Indians seemed to have overlooked in their haste to exploit this 'opening' is the end game - just how exactly did the Indians think this was going to end?
Just as Korea is currently staying China's hand, ironically, considerations regarding Korea may eventually force China to not only hit India, but hit them hard.

Because if China starts to fear the US is starting to doubt China's resolve to fight, then it doesn't matter if all of China's fighting strength is available to fight in Korea if the US doesn't think China has the balls to use them, as China's top priority is to prevent open war in Korea.

Chinese words and opinions are hardening by the day regarding this matter. One day, probably soon, Beijing will decide the Indians won't move unless they are moved and simply move them back, in body bags if needs be.

In the meantime, it could only take one tweet from from the US president to drastically accelerate that timetable and fundamentally change the nature of the Chinese response from simple eviction to full blown shock and awe.

The only way this doesn't end in bloodshed is if the Indian government sees sense and backs down. But they seem hell bent on burning that bridge with their words and deeds.

>>34766980
>China bombs the shit out of the curry niggers
>it destroys the Modi administration
>destruction of the Modi administration improves India dramatically
>China suddenly faces a much more competent enemy on their left flank

All according to keikaku.

>>34764030
>http://www.paluba.info/smf/index.php?topic=17897.0&wap2

>American cannot stand up to China without Indian help.

Top motherfucking kek. I suppose we can use them as human shields and bait.

>>34764096
Why the howling fuck would the US be so godawful retarded as to get in a land war with China in the middle of fucking Asia? We'd be staging off Japan and the Philippines, not going head to head in Tibet.

>>34766830

Except Indian military presence in Bhutan is legal.

>>34763739
>Hwang
>see I made an error Im definitely not a Pajeet
>being this obvious
Nice try Pajeet

>>34763717
Depends on the type of war. To answer your question only pertaining to a land based fight all of :
>>34763725
>>34763738
>>34763729
>>34763739
>>34763761
>>34763976
>>34764275
>>34764650
>>34764842
>>34765455
(They are close, India has worse equipment but more recent combat experience. China has better equipment but no recent combat experience.)

However, for a naval war, which is your picture OP, you are all wrong. The only answer is NEITHER. Because neither India nor China has sufficient naval force projection to do anything more than inconvenience the other side.

>>34766116
why would you want nudes when you can just go out and rape anyone you want

>>34765381
british didn't cause the civil war

the muslim legue said india has a muslim majority and they should split that caused the killing

also ghandi wanted a sepereate india as it was before with there own states, india really isn't a country it never was. there are over 200 languages in the country and different states every one wants there own state also there is a really bad communist uprising in the country that no one talks about half the country is controlled by them. The whole country is a shit hole except the northern parts which are rich

>>34764030
>America cannot stand up to China without Indian help. That is the symmetry in this relationship
>hindustantimes.com
Thats what poo in the loos unironically believe and why they need to be rid of their nuclear weapons over long. The only reason they are allowed to keep them is to catch as much nukes from China as possible in a real conflict and minimalize damage to U.S. assets.
These delusional cunts don't even realize what a huge powergap between themself an China has evolved over time. They cant even comprehend the powergap between the U.S.A. and the rest of the world and truely believe India is a player and not just another pawn. They are completely out of touch.

>>34766830
So if the area is chinese clay, start conducting live fire artillery practice on the area indian troops have occupied

SUPER LOO BY 2020!

>>34767236
That and somebody needs to nuke Pakistan if shit really hits the fan.

>>34763717
The bigger question is if anyone in the region goes nuclear. India and Pakistan are both fucking stupid enough to pull the trigger. China won't unleash Oppenheimer first, but they will if they're retaliating.

1/3
Was typing this for the other bread but it is kill
China > India
China has more nukes, more delivery systems, including 5-6 SSBNs (and one Nork SSB) to India's 1 (4 planned total), and multi stage weapons. The largest tested Chinese gadget is 4Mt, the largest tested Indian device is 60 kt. Though, famously, Chinese warheads are kept separate from the missiles at the moment.
All this represents a step-change in capability, India could give China a bloody nose, but would be restricted to battlefield or high priority military targets by necessity. China could turn India into a depopulated wasteland.
Taking nukes off the table then, for the sake of a good faith answer, we still see the present Indian armed forces cannot compete with China. India's army is their most substantial branch, with 1,100,000 volunteer soldiers. This is the largest volunteer army on Earth. Indian esprit de corps and institutional experience can be assumed to be superior to those of the PLAN. India has fought in several conventional wars in the last century, and in peacekeeping operations with distinction, and benefits from ties to western militaries who maintain a high standard of training. India's equipment is dated. She still operates T-72Ms and BMP-2s for the most part, which are Soviet era imports and so certainly monkeyed as fuck. India also has few artillery and has stated intent to buy between 3-4000 artillery systems in the next few years. India is in the process of modernisation, hoping to buy 1900 T-90s and 250 indigenous Arihant MBTs (and an undisclosed number of Arihant-2s as yet to enter service).
China has a conscript army of 1,600,000. China does not actually enforce conscription that much, instead only maintaining the numbers it targets. China's army has a lot of very modernized equipment, ~600 2001 vintage ZTZ-99 and 99A and some ~2000 Type 96/96A which entered service in 1997.

2/3
Both of these can be safely expected to be quite superior to T-72s and both are probably marginally inferior to T-90s and the Arihant. It's a similar pattern for IFVs/APCs. This qualitative edge would help compensate for the PLAs lack of exercise partners and exchange training, and experience, especially in mobile armoured warfare.
The main area of conflict on land would initially be the fucking Himalayas. I cannot think of anywhere more difficult to conduct a war. This would place a premium on quality and morale, and make it difficult for China to leverage either it's numerical advantage or advantage in heavy armour. Artillery is also at a premium in this environment, Indias lack of quantity and quality artillery would tell. The Himalayas are too high for most helicopters, and the weather hampers operations too. It's hard to predict an outcome, in a long grind of attrition China has the numbers but offensive operations in that environ would be brutal. Look at the Italian alpine campaign of WW1 for inspiration. India does have doctrinal experience from wars with Pakistan, and is forming a dedicated mountain corps which will presumably be quite elite and properly equipped for this role.
In the air India has 240 Su30MKI's (Gen4.5ish) and 69 heavily upgraded MiG-29's (gen 4.1?), about 20 Tejas (indigenous gen 4.5), and a few older aircraft like MiG-21's that are dead meat in a shooting war. All coordinated by AEWC supported by a few dedicated ELINT, Recce and EW aircraft. Finally India has some 240 gen 3 ground attack aircraft of varying types and the Su30MKIs can also fill this role, so if they have air superiority they could do some work. If.

>>34763989
>parted a tensioned wire cable made of braided steel under hundreds of thousands of pounds of tension
>their captain was driving the ship when it came within 50ft of the stern of a USNS replenishment ship and at any given time there were multiple officers on the bridge screaming at each other
>wearing sandals during replenishment/helo ops/boat ops/in engineering spaces
> I would be genuinely flabbergasted if they got any rounds off. They could barely avoid hitting other ships in the middle of the Pacific, I doubt they'd be popping off any rounds with any amount of accuracy.
>Before I came onboard I was told to bring my own roll of toilet paper
>They have an entire "class" of civilians onboard [...] everybody onboard referred to them as slaves. As in, they used the word "slave".
>unrep ... the Indians shot a spear. A motherfucking spear. Like, a 16" long piece of metal with a point on the end....
>I would be very much surprised if the majority of their armament even successfully fired, let along hit anything.
>NS Delhi - the Indian Navy's flagship
>NS Delhi - the Indian Navy's flagship
>NS Delhi - the Indian Navy's flagship

I knew India was bad and would expect shit like the bad water quality and lack of professionalism but not THAT bad.

It feels like the Indian navy would be a greater risk to the us than to the enemy.

3/3
China has 2100 combat aircraft, of which 600 are considered "Modern" by the Pentagon. I'm not listing them here. Suffice to say the PLAAF is bigger than the IAF, and technologically on par with some jets which are more modern than anything in the IAF inventory for now (Rafael should help compensate for this soon, and PAK-FA in a long time).
China also has a big inventory of SAMs, of all sizes, notably including the HQ-9 heavyweight SAM with an estimated range of 200km. India has no dedicated SEAD aircraft, and nothing really designed to perform SEAD at all against this level of threat. India can expect serious attrition to modern Chinese SAMs even in the mountains. India does use some middle-weight SAMs, such as the indigenous Akash (~30km range) and Israeli SPYDER (~35km range), but nothing in the HQ-9's class.
A prolonged air campaign would see China gain air superiority, but pay for it. Nevertheless, a decisive advantage in every war it has been a factor in.
Finally India's Navy is paltry compared to China, and older. China also has a sizeable marine contingent of 18,000 and 63 Landing ships including 32 LSTs, and 5 Amphibious Assault Carriers. China has 8 SSNs to India's sole loaned Akula, 50 SSKs to India's 13, and 85 blue water combatants, a huge contingent of which was put to sea in the last 15 years. And 2 carriers to India's 1, though the second is still in sea trials. China could quite possibly establish a beachhead somewhere
Or more likely, China could conduct anti shipping operations almost with impunity, and strangle Indian sea trade. India is quite reliant on foreign imports for a country of it's size, 80% of Indian oil consumption is imported and demand for oil jumped 11% last year. India struggles with hunger, and gasoline/diesel rations coupled with no way to import food would make a sustained war very politically difficult.

>>34763747
Underbasted roast

>>34763739
>Hwang

Kill yourself you disgusting diaspora shitskin

>>34763956
That's your countryman, Patel, not mine. Be proud of your native pooland.

>>34767949
Amphibious Assault Carriers should be amphibious assault ship.

>>34767977
>Chinese butt hurt detected
Friendly reminder that Japan is superior to you in every single way, by every conceivable metric

>>34763717
China would win. Also, there's no way the Indians and Chinese go to war without the Pakistani's getting in it too. Unless the Indians got outside help, it'd be pretty ugly for them.

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>>34767949
Logistics nigga, do you speak it?

China has highways and trains going to the Indian border, India has... pic.

China cant invade because the terrain and shitty infrastructure on the Indian side is a huge defense itself but they can and will annihilate the Indian troops stationed at the border, war ends with Modi hanged by an angry mob.

>>34768084
Plus, if things went really terribly for the Indians, they'd probably play the nuclear card.

>>34768034
weeb degenerate found

>>34768098
And get utterly obliterated while giving China a black eye.

>>34764030
>America cannot stand up to China without Indian help.
Bollocks. America could wipe out China's Navy and starve out there eastern coast without help from a single ally.

>>34768224
When was the last naval conflict between peer or near peer powers?

>>34768091
Yes but India has rail networks and highways. Sure there's a lot of shitty dirt tracks too, but both sides would be able to supply the front.
>According to the ((((CIA)))) World Factbook, as of 2015, India had about 96,000 kilometers of national highways and expressways, plus another 147,800 kilometers of state highways.
Also
http://morth.nic.in/showfile.asp?lid=2445
Is it another Chinese advantage? Yes. But in such a mountainous region as the Sino-Indian border it's unlikely to be a major limiting factor until Chinese air power can begin interdiction efforts.

>>34768250
I'm thinking the 19th century.

>>34768098
See
>>34767887
Not all nukes are created equal.

China with a mess on its heel.

>>34768222
I'm failing to see a downside

>>34768260
>96k kilometers
None to the border and sure as hell not through mountains like the Chinese do and have.

>>34768270
Come on, at least Jutland was near peer + modern (for the time) and it was in the 20th century.

>>34763717
Everyone ITT is assuming either a nuclear war or a full deployment war.

Surely the himilaya war will involve only the units in the local area? More like Battles of Khalkhin Gol then something like WW3.

>>34768250
World War One, battle of Jutland, World War 2, Pacific campaigns, Naval engagements off Norway, Mediterranean engagements.

>>34768250
Indo-Pakistani War of 1971.

>>34768293
This is assuming that the Chinese won't simply flood the area with troops.

That's what all these editorials in Xinhua and shit have been about, they're explicitly telling India that they won't lose a fight purely for the sake of limiting the scale of the conflict.

>>34763989
Americans spend their time cleaning like little babies while Indian men spend their time for war. This is why American ships gets hit by cargo ship because they too busy head down cleaning while we ready for war. American """men""".

>>34767916
How will other countries intervene in the war and how will it change the outcome?

>>34763717
>who would emerge victorious?
literally everybody else.

>>34767944
>INS Delhi - the Indian Navy's flagship
reminder that the flagship of the American navy is unironically an age-of-sail frigate

>>34768293
True but in this scenario, India would win. And it's a slippery slope.
>>34768290
Tunnels are easy targets. But you are right. China has a logistical advantage. I said China would win.
Frontline logistics are very important but they aren't literally 100% everything, as the French in 1940 can attest. The zone of conflict precludes intense, resource-heavy warfare, fuelling and repairing and changing tracks and replacing main gun barrels would not be necessary to keep a mountain infantry corps going. India has enough men and materiel stationed in the immediate area to stall an advance for some time.
A long bloody stalemate favours China for like ten different reasons, including the road/rail networks, but it's moot if India gets BTFO'd out the sky and a Chinese CTF just sank the last slave junker.

>>34767887
But china doesn't have a conscripted army

>>34768428
> fuelling and repairing and changing tracks and replacing main gun barrels
There's Chang and Pajeet, they both want to repair your car. Who do you chose to do the job?

>>34768389
No one would want a piece of that, if they could avoid it.

>>34768413
No it is not, it is an unarmed command and control ship

>>34766980
It seems likely that India would have a similar problem with Pakistan - while they ought to be unlikely to actually intervene I can figure them trying to help China with intelligence and trying to tie down Indian forces (particularly air assets).

Actually one of the reasons I can see for China not starting a war would be the chance, however slight, of Pakistan being just stupid and bellicose enough to try starting something.

>>34768465
Pajeet would have the sloppiest welds you've seen in your life, and the repair wouldn't last a month.
Chang would cut out your catalytic converter to sell and replace it with a zinc casting from China and not tell you.

>>34768465
Chang or Changu-sama? One of those I want to repair my car, the other I would tell to watch his step on escalators.

>>34768574
Actually they have been fixing the escalators for a year now going as far as making servers and network that monitors escalator and elevator operations around the east coast cities ever since that video went viral.

>>34768091
>when your country is a hostile environment for humans
Reminds me of Vietnam

>>34768413
Didn't the Bongs teach you to keep your mouth shut when you don't know what you are talking about?

>>34768250

There's a nation on earth that can even come close to breathing on near parity with the USN?

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This is a long article by an Indian blogger. It is an interesting read about the concentration of forces lining up against each other.

http://www.delhidefencereview.com/2017/07/26/duel-in-the-himalayas-how-india-and-china-square-off/

>>34768943
Philippines
:^)

The amount of misinformation on both sides from Mr. 54% is staggering.

Americans need to stop pretending to be a White nation. They are a nation of Mexicans and Niggers.

>>34769012
Americans are also lowering their height and increasing their weight every year. LOL.

>>34763717
You do realize that it's in the interest of the USA to make sure that China does not lose don't you. We would help them BTFO India but then stop them from outright invading India. In other words we would let them explain to India their place in the world(bottom bitch to Russia) and then stop them from it turning into WW3.

>>34769051
Actually Americans are slaves to Israel, and Israel is an ally of India. So US would probably do the opposite.

>>34763717
>who would emerge victorious?
everyone

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>>34769065
>implying Israel wouldn't cut ties as soon as supporting them would affect interest rates in world markets negatively

>>34769065
Whats with this notion Indians have that any nation not publicly wishing them dead is a friend who is prepared to send troops to their aid?

Are Pakis and Bangladeshis Designated Street Shitters as well?

>>34769215
No, but Pakistanis are terrorists and Bangladeshis all live underwater.

>>34769065
This is probably the Truth.

American foreign policy only makes sense in the context of Israeli interests.

>>34769065
I was going to post a counter-response, but then I realized this is probably somewhat accurate.

>>34767949
To be fair China's SSN fleet is nothing more than a target for an akula and conducting commerce raiding is going to bring the USN into the mix which would mean both sides just lost their subs(sorry vatnik but akula is about skipjack level SSN) China will get US support for a boarder conflict. As De Gaul said countries don't have friends only interests. We have little money in India and huge amounts in China. We will sit on the side pretending to be neutral while feeding China all the information and support whilst telling them not to invade India proper.

>>34767131
China's had some light combat experience dealing with Uighar seperatists and in Africa. India has had more though with border skirmishes with Pakistan and internal conflcits

>>34769536
But if they do invade India proper? What then?

>>34768270
The USN destroyed the core of a superior naval force in 6 months in 1942. Nelsons prediction of the Barbary coast war proved to be correct.

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You want to know whether China goes to war or not, here are two easy to spot signs.

1. China starts doing a massive media campaign to isolate India, in doing this India can either withdraw or India will be further isolated further. The first war is the war of public opinion.

2. Once India is isolated, China will have far more options, expect to see massive deployments into Tibet, and of course #1 will still be happening. Then fighting may commence.

Additionally, India's action in sending troops might be the action of a regional commander and Modi might not even know about it, I say this because this situation got into news 2 weeks after it happened, and the Indian government was not coordinated in its response, nor did any Western nation said anything, and still to today no Western nation is taking India's position, this only shows India's initial decision was very well unplanned

However, India is stuck because their media is stirring things up, so Modi who have a strong man image can't back down anymore. If you look at India's official government statements they actually are keeping it a bit low key, and a few weeks back they proposed that both side withdraw together, that only means Indian top leadership knows if this keep goes on it won't end well for them.

India is not getting any support from West whatsoever and if this keep goes on, it might even jeopardize West goal to build up an "Democratic" "Responsible" and "Rule following" India as a counter weight to China. If India has demonstrated that they are not at all "responsible" or "rule following", then it be a bit hypocritical for West to support them. I'm sure they still will get support, but won't be with the excuse of supporting a rightful power to counter a evil power anymore. It be compared to US giving weapons to Syrian rebels, but everyone know those rebels are basically terrorists. I think this long term implication is more important than anything else.

>>34767131
China has naval bases in Burma and Pakistan.

>>34763717
>who would emerge victorious
Australia, USA, Canada,China and New Zealand as they take in the rich Chang and Pajeets.

>>34769643
Pretty sure its deep water port not military base and the one in Myanmar is in development hell.

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How many foreign bases does India have?

>>34769065
Yeah because this American Jew was not hanging out with Israeli Jews in dalian China back in 06 where they were QC people at an IR(ingersol rand) factory. Israel has massively more investment in China than India. Never mind the reality that we don't control the USA

>>34769583
They would be embargoed to death. The USA can shut China down and their government knows that. We will tell them go ahead and fuck poo up bad but don't invade or we will change sides.

>>34769834
theres a reason why they have been colonizing africa

>>34769845
Straight of malacca is a bitch especially when Singapore and the Muslim burgers(Malaysia) own the place. Never mind the basic facts of economic entanglement which is why the USA would support China in the first place. Just not invasion.

the indians will poo on them to death

they will make catapults and trebuchets and fling loads of shit at them causing disease and pestilence

>>34768944
>Indian blogger
>interesting read

Inbetween all the screeching about meany bully China and too nice India, the only substantial information of the first paragraph is that Chinks are building some infrastructure on their side and arount "India" while Pajeet tactics are being a shithole leading him to the conclusion that hurr infrastructure seems to help.

Its just impossible to take the second and third paragraph for granted where this poo seems to get down to some actual objective points and take his analysis and predictions serious.

>>34769536
Chakra is an Akula II completed to a spec issued in the 80s.
China's SSN fleet is includes 5 Type 9-3s, put to sea since 2002. It's safe to assume that they are not seriously outmatched by an Akula II even if the Akula is more quiet. Besides, as soon as Chakra fires one tube the launch transient will give her up. Quantity has a certain quality.

>>34769558
>Uighar seperatists
lol, the guys whose primary weapons are knives. Pretty sure that doesn't counts as combat experience, to gun down merchants armed only with knives.

By that metric my local gangbangers have far more military experience than the PLA.

>>34769643
deep water ports, not naval bases. Also useless in any naval conflict due to no Chinese military vessels stationed there.

>>34769649
And what a change that would be.

>>34769765
>>34769771
>>34769784
>>34769792
that is entirely useless in any China vs India showdown, because India literally sits on the shipping routes between the two.

see>>34770149


>>34770252
you should have ignored to political BS opener, and looked and the disbursement of forces below. Effectively China's supply lines are better, but India has more troops, better, bases, far more airbases, and more material on the ground. SO if the fight was tomorrow China would lose, but if they built up their forces for 6-12 months they'd win.

>>34770495
your strategy requires that all the Type9-3s stick together to fight a single akula. That makes them easy targets for ASW because if one gives away its position, all of their positions are given away.

>Quantity has a certain quality.
only when said quantity can be brought to bear on the enemy. If you cannot bring your superior numbers to bear on the enemy for any reason, such as logistics, lack of trained manpower, one captain got lost, a choke point such as the straits of malaca, mechanical failure, etc. then your quantity is meaningless.

>>34769622
China will not fight India, because the risks are too great, any war lasting linger than say sixty days will lead to economic sanctions against China, which will lead to internal unrest and threaten the control of CCP, and everything the Chinks do is examined and decided through the lens of maintaing the parties grip on power. Since what little legitimaticy the have rests solely on maintaining economic progress and a rising standard of living. With the Chinese economy already in a downturn the will not risk the possible internal strife that foreign conflict would bring about.

>>34770803
Completely incorrect.

>>34763717
>and everyone else stayed out of it

Well, already you've created an unrealistic situation because the second either of those two make any moves against one another, Pakistan is going to tag-team the shit out of India with China.

The only way India wins is by avoiding war in general.

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US sees how it is, and they are NOT giving support to India whatsoever, nor are Japan, EU and Australia. So no support from West

Take a look at Russia, there is no chance in hell Russia will get on India's side, I'm sure Russia want China and India to fight each other to weaken each other, so China will be tied down and have less ambition in Siberia.

Russia will NEVER openly support India, if they did that, that means Russia will openly piss off China who's 3 province bordering Russia far east with 110 million while Russia's entire far east with less than 6 million. Its really really not in Russia interest to have a hostile China next door. Putin is not Modi, they won't make such stupid decisions,.

India is on its own this time, if they want a fight, it be one on one.

>>34763739
bigger than your shit layered 2 incher, pajeet

>>34770982
What can Pakistan realistically do? Would they be more than a nuisance and be an actual threat? Ignoring nukes of course.

>>34769536
Why do that when we can let China bloody itself and ruin its chances of becoming a superpower? The only thing better than having vested interests in China is having them pay for us to rebuild the 3 Gorges Dam when it's destroyed.

>>34771107
>What can Pakistan realistically do?
kick india while she's down. really highly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLxjcVdegO8

>>34768413
>Indian Education
Protip, if you dont talk about think you don't know about, noone will know you're a dumbfuck dalit

>>34763717
POO
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>>34763744
I thought they proved it was a fake post?
Or is it a different one?

>>34771138
This is some kind of mix of military parade/sabre rattling and shittalking. It's glorious.

>>34767916
>Its called Arjun
Arjun probably is one of the most hilarious jokes ever happened in weapon industry, besides LCA, in human history.

Fairly Speaking, T90s are also pretty shitty any ways, russian can't make proper sabot or FCS.
Marinally superior to ZTZ96 variants, maybe.
ZTZ99 or 99A ZTQ15, no way. T90 can't hold a candle.

>>34767949
> 600 are considered "Modern" by the Pentagon
even by low esitmate
400+ J10 variants
250+ J11 variants
50+ J16
75 SU27SK
73 SU30MKK
24 SU35s
probably 1 to 2 squadrons of LIRP J20
Thats close to 900 gen4 and gen5

>>34768943
I think if you took the cold war soviet navy at its height plus the new russian subs built afterwards, added the modern PLAN, RN, french navy and Japanese navy, it might be close

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>>34766830
>>Does the Dong Lang area belong to China?
>>Yes.

>>34771882
>ZTZ99 - 58 tons
Good luck getting them to the top of the himilayas!

Most likely they'll use ZTQ105's (33tons) or ZTQ62's (23tons) as it is far easier to get a light tank to the battleground. Of course that's assuming they use tanks at all...

How butthurt are the Indians that they no access to stealth fighters?

>>34771932
>>34767949
part of the problem of straight up comparing aircraft is that it assumes they can fly from anywhere, and have full fuel and weapons in the conflict zeon. Simply put China's airbases are hundreds of km further away than India's so such an imbalance in raw numbers will be significantly mitigated due to the extra distance PLAAF planes have to travel. I think it would be interesting how this shakes out, but I suspect India will do better than the raw numbers suggest.

>>34772987
China can build an airbase in weeks if it needs to

>>34773346
And it will colapse over itself in a month.

>>34770803
Wars against a boogieman (invented or real), are a great distraction.

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>>34768330

>>34769012
76% white is mostly niggers.

Nice math.

Besides, you forget our based roof Korean population. They're like negative 3 niggers each. 4 if their aim is solid.

>>34770733
Soviet sub doctrine involved working in pairs, you don't need all the Chinese SSs in one blob, just the ones picketing ahead of the Chinese CBG in pairs or 3s. And the Chakra is not much better than the Type-93, Type-93 is newer and more loud but benefits from newer sensors and better computational processing power to isolate signals in noise. Type 93As (of which there is four) are reportedly much more quiet than Type 93s. A 1 on 1 contest is likely to favour the Akula but not by much. If China puts 6 boats to sea to screen for its CBG, Chakra is not going to beat them all. Certainly not if the crew is anything like
>>34763989
Akulas are old botes, they don't have pump-jets or even shrouded screws, and have a computer system from the late 80s. Chakra has 8x533mm tubes compared to 4x533 and 4x655 + 6 533mm external, a serious downgrade, probably to reduce the cost of the boat considering she was under construction for 15 years. Other less visible cost reduction measures are to be expected, and it would be very strange if any major upgrades had been added for a sub that was built to be leased.
>>34771882
Yes Arihant and T-90 are mediocre, but they would be a serious step up compared to monkeyed T-72Ms. Arihant/T-90s have modern FCS and rangefinders, and with the right ammo can match ZTZ-99s. Modern MBT comparisons are mostly see-first-shoot-first-kill-first, at which point doctrine and optics/information are the deciding factor.
Arihant 1 is also clearly a tech development program to get the expertise up to speed, which is why they will comprise <10% of India's projected MBT force. They expect it to be crap, Arihant-2 or whatever the successor is will be the payoff. But the point is moot, OP asks about today, and today they have T72Ms.

>>34772987
True, but India suffers for a lack of operational SAM assets, and the newer Chinese types are also the ones with longer ranges. If China bases the better stuff nearby it's still the favourite in the air war. Not to mention, China has extensive tanker and C3 advantages over the IAF.

>>34763717
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuIMF5IbdZ4
semi-relevant video assessing a theoretical war between Pakistan and India

Might be even more relevant because let's be honest, if China and India went to war Pakistan would jump on the opportunity.

What's with all the Indian military threads lately? I'm starting to think that one dedicated skritposter has taken it upon himself to defend Hindustan's honor.

>>34774079
That guy is a moronic vatnik, I wouldn't take him seriously if I were you.

>>34774121
They're getting in a slapfight with China again.

>>34774123
>That guy is a moronic vatnik, I wouldn't take him seriously if I were you.
Was he actually incorrect about anything or are you just saying this because of his accent? Most of what he puts in the videos are just military statistics.

>>34774121

It's been all over the news over the past month because of the border stand off, and rampant nationalistic rhetoric between jingoists on both sides. As far as I'm concerned, the idea of a land war in Asia between the two most populous countries in the world is pretty damn /k/

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_India_China_border_standoff

>>34774240
>a land war in Asia
next are we going to go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line?

>>34772987
>part of the problem of straight up comparing aircraft is that it assumes they can fly from anywhere

True, I'm just saying the quantity gap between PLAAF and IAF is much larger than most people tend to believe.

And what most of these comparisons failed to take into count is that China's rocket force and their limited anti BM ability with HQ19 and DN series. A missile exchange between India and China would be in latter's favor.

Indian's lack of AWACS, SEAD ability and modern IADS systems also doesn't help.

>I think it would be interesting how this shakes out, but I suspect India will do better than the raw numbers suggest.
Watching the war unfold would be the most interesting event in the first 2 decades of 21st century.

>>34774351
Certainly, it seems that China holds a major advantage in the air, and this can only be exacerbated by the fact that IAF would still need to potentially operate against Pakistan.
It is difficult to see any China v India confrontation where Pakistan does not try for a land grab, even if they conduct only limited operations.

>>34774351

Surely in the Himalayas the topography limits the effectiveness of very long range SAMs & radar.

>>34773407
They would build 4 replacements in that month

>>34774509
>limits the effectiveness of very long range SAMs & radar.
depends on flight altitude. Of course, the flip side is that low altitude operation brings you into range of SHORAD/MANPAD.

>>34773346
If it goes as fast as their island airbase construction: 6 months minimum before initial operations, 12 months for full operation and maintenance capabilities. So why not delay, and build up their infrastructure for this fight?

>>34774009
>you don't need all the Chinese SSs in one blob, just the ones picketing ahead of the Chinese CBG in pairs or 3s

Now you not just putting the subsurface ships in the same place, you are placing their only CBG ships there too. You are asking to be annihilated by a single nuke. Also India has a CBG as well, and the fight would be next to Indian Shores, meaning shore launched AShMs, so if if its non nuclear, this is not a fight China should take.

>>34774019
China doesn't have those SAM systems installed in the Doklam area. So why not delay the fight in order to prepare better. Also topography is a bitch in the Himalayas, why try to avoid a SAM when I can just duck down behind a freaking mountain.

>extensive tanker and C3 advantages over the IAF
Again this helps even the playing field, but it by no means makes up for have no airbases in the theatre of operations.

>>34774351
BM have never shown themselves to be very effective, simply because the targets they are generally aimed at, military bases, large troop concentrations, etc require a nuclear warhead or many many BMs to destroy. Can BM kill people, sure, but they never have and never will change the tide of a war unless they are armed with nukes.

>>34774420
see>>34772987

>>34776090
you're fucking stupid.
Did you even graduate high school?

>>34763717
>Indian navy
>Every deck is the poop deck

Take a fucking guess

>>34776090
>Now you not just putting the subsurface ships in the same place, you are placing their only CBG ships there too. You are asking to be annihilated by a single nuke

generally starting a nuclear war isn't a great way to get ahead

>Also India has a CBG as well

a vastly worse CBG

you do realise that as laided down the Kiev class is literally the worst post-war carrier design? even now it is just a smaller more cramped Kirov. I doubt it could take on a modified ww2 carrier from the 60s let alone a modern carrier

plus the falklands taught the world that nuclear subs shit all over 3rd world navies with impunity

>>34776458
>falklands taught the world that nuclear subs shit all over 3rd world navies with impunity
please. Sinking a WWII light cruiser doesn't amount to much.

>>34767887
>China could turn India into a depopulated wasteland

Not even close to reality. China only had ~260 warheads total. To put that number in perspective the UK determined that the absolute minimum number of warheads needed to effectively hold at risk three Russian cities is 160 warheads.

The difference between "three Russian cities damaged to 75% of targeting criteria or Moscow damaged to 98% of targeting criteria" and "turn India into a depopulated wasteland" is far more then a 60% increase in numbers can provide.

>>34776677
>absolute minimum number of warheads needed to effectively hold at risk three Russian cities is 160 warheads

yet Russian targeting regime for London was 2x MT level devices and 3-5x KT level devices.

>>34776577

It forced the entire Argentine surface fleet (which was actually noteworthy in 1982) back to port for the rest of the war, because there was literally nothing they could do about getting stalked like the SSN is on a big game hunt.

>>34771882
>ZTZ99 or 99A ZTQ15, no way. T90 can't hold a candle.
Kek'd.

>>34776677
China's nuclear arsenal is hard to estimate. Reports ranging from 200 to thousands.

But an educated guess would sugget a nation with hundreds of miles of known underground nuclear facilty and can pull out dozens of TELs at a parade wouldn't limit itself to just mere 200 warheads.

DESU, that 200 something digit was pulled out of some thinktank's asses and hasn't been updated since 80s

>>34776810
Muh vantik stronk

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>>34776577

why do you think the entire argentine fleet including their carrier never sortied again after the Belgrano got sunk?

literally the only thing holding the brits back from sinking the entire argentine fleet quickly was their inflexible top down doctrine and lack of co-ordination between subs and naval search aircraft

India aren't exaclty ASW experts. the last time they tried to sink a ww2 submarine it sunk one frigate and chased off another

>>34776810
if nothing else, type99A in its current configuration is significantly heavier than a T90S. But honestly, I doubt either one would be used in this particular combat zone.

>>34776886
>chink tanks without working stabilizers and cardboard armor
>better than combat-proven T-90 with composite armor + ERA
Yeah, I guess you could say your tanks are better, Ching Chong, the penetrators will go through them and exit on the other side, they're too powerful to damage them.

>>34763717
Hard to say, China needs to keep Pakistan on side in order to keep India under he threat of a two-front war but you've stipulated that Pakistan would keep out of it. Arunachal Pradesh is the primary water catchment for Eastern South Asia so a 'limited war for limited gains' would probably satisfy China - they would gain leverage over India, Bhutan, Bangladesh etc... Therefore India would be motivated to do everything in its power to prevent a loss in Arunachal Pradesh.

My prediction: bloody stalemate. ~2,000,000 dead, border issue unsolved.

Realistically neither side can risk war with the other at this moment but brinksmanship and posturing is still the order of the day.

>>34777008
>chink tanks without working stabilizers
lol, nigga u dumb as FUCK.
>and cardboard armor
ahahahahahahahahahahaha. Al2O3 faggit.
>better than combat-proven T-90 with composite armor + ERA
Proven in what?

Lol nigga why didn't your mother abort you?

>>34777046
>>34777008
>>34776886
>>34776810
>>34771882
>using tanks on a 40 degree slope
This is mountain warfare, try to stay on topic.

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>>34776873
All the credible sources, RAND, FAS, IISS and the like, put out numbers between 210 and 270, which fits with Chinese nuclear doctrine and force structure.

>>34777153
>FAS
why are you quoting a source that hasn't been updated in a decade?

>>34777187
...because it has. Monitoring nuke forces is literally what they do.

Are you seriously arguing that FAS is not one of the best sources for non-classified nuke info?

>>34776677
>the UK determined that the absolute minimum number of warheads needed to effectively hold at risk three Russian cities is 160 warheads.

what source is this? yes minister?

the russians were more pessimistic "A memo from the archives of Vitalii Leonidovich Kataev, [talking about moscow's ballistic missile defenses] written circa 1985, had envisaged that the system "will be completed in 1987 to provide protection from a strike of 1-2 modern and prospective ICBMs and up to 35 Pershing 2-type intermediate-range missiles"

so instead of being targeted by 3 missiles NATO would launch 5. every other russian city was completely undefended

>>34777259
>Are you seriously arguing that FAS is not one of the best sources for non-classified nuke info?
yep. Neither is the public CIA data.
In fact, just don't look at public data.

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>>34777302
Duff Report and British procurement.

>>34767916
>about 20 Tejas (indigenous gen 4.5)
>Tejas
>gen 4.5

That pos is barely more capable than a MiG-29

>>34777497
>That pos is barely more capable than a MiG-29
you mean a Mig21.

>>34777095
The ZTQ is a 105mm armed light tank designed for difficult terrain in the mountains of China's southern borders & Vietnams wetlands.
If any armor gets deployed up there, it will be the ZTQ equipped units.

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>>34777418

that pic doesn't say what you are implying at all

as a counter example

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square_Leg

a British estimate of a soviet IRBM strike with 131 weapons and 205 megatons targeting

>24 cities
>14 centers of government
>23 RAF bases
>14 USAFE bases
>10 radar sites
>8 C3 centers
>7 naval communication centers
>6 naval bases

lead to an estimated 30 million casualities(75% of the british population) in a strike against mostly military targets

I remember seeing a document suggesting a US strike on Chinese missile fields(what around 300 target sites?) would cause something retarded like 200 million causualies

do you think a similar amount of purely counter-value strikes on india wouldn't kill a massive percentage of the Indian population?

>>34763989
Since when did the Indian navy turn into the Imperial Navy from Warhammer?

>>34777752
>30 million casualities(75% of the british population)

to correct myself 29.9 million dead and 7 million fatally wounded is only 65% the 1981 census population not 75%

but it is still reducing the population to literally medieval levels

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>>34777819

>>34777307
Well ok let me just walk into the pentagon and ask them for their classified data.

>>34763717
>victorious?
Competent software and IT workers worldwide.

>>34777752
>assuming 1.5 megatons per warhead
>many population centers hit for no discernible reason
Yeah nah m8

>>34764096
>no other country
>ignoring our Unsinkable Taiwanese Aircraft Carrier

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>>34772987
>Simply put China's airbases are hundreds of km further away than India's so such an imbalance in raw numbers will be significantly mitigated due to the extra distance PLAAF planes have to travel

ahh, that explains pic related.
I wonder if China has any runway busting sub-munition?

>>34776252
Designated shitting decks?

>>34778169
>assuming 1.5 megatons per warhead

welcome to the 70s lad. big boom boom overcomes inaccurate missiles

american medium and Intermediate missiles had a yield of 1.44 megatons

most soivet weapons were in the 1-2Mt range and some had 5+Mt(SS-9 had a 25Mt yield)

>many population centers hit for no discernible reason

the soviets had 1000+ MRBMs and IRBMs(1,846 soviet missiles were destroyed by the IRBM treaty) plus many more nuclear-armed Badger and Backfire bombers to share out between Britain, France and West Germany also Britain would retaliate full-force against soviet cities regardless of what targets the soviet chose.

given the above the Square Leg planners probably assumed the soviets would shit on Britain massively attacking both civilian and millitary targets to kill Britain completely in one punch (leaving their longer range weapons and the more complex game of nuclear tic-tac-toe for the yanks)

>>34777008
>slant eye can't have proper stabilzer, and mother russia stronk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVRYTEes9UM

>but muh no one can make fool of stronk russia
BAN APFSDS, BAN anything has a mussle velocity larger than 800m/s, muh everyone has to claw just like muh fucking russia.

Look at how russians cheating and bending the rules in Tank biathlon lately is just hilarious. The latest invention was 'clock conveniently stopped' for rusky team. And technical fucking pause(while the clock still counting) for the chinese in a fucking race. Oh yeah and some russian mathematics. Anyways, Hwang, you get that 23min64sec.

Srsly, Aлёнa, you should consider cut your relation with your boifriend Pajeet. You talk and smell like him lately.

>>34777095
>This is mountain warfare
The current disputed area yes. However if anything escalate, warzone won't be confined near the current disputed area.

>>34777497
Pooposters, man

>>34763987
But what would the rest of the world do for cheap goods and customer service?

>>34780510
SEA

>>34778463
runway busting munitions are fairly useless. Far better to get precision weapon for actually destroying the facilities, stores, and aircraft at the airbase. Fixing a runway is a simple task of gravel and a pavement patch job.

>>34779257
ummmmmm, anon. Their entire border is the Himalaya mountain range. There is no part of their massive border that would not be mountain combat.

>>34780570
>ummmmmm, anon. Their entire border is the Himalaya mountain range
Although unlikely, if the war escalated to the scale which involves large ground battle. A flank maneuver from Pakistan or even Bengal is not impossible.

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>>34763989
>the Indians shot a spear. A motherfucking spear. Like, a 16" long piece of metal with a point on the end....

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>>34780938
>Pakistan
Only though Kashmir - which is war the war is.

>Bangladesh
Only through Arunachal Pradesh - which is where the war is

Maybe through Myanmar - but that approach is through dense forest and mountains.

Maybe through Afghanistan - but that approach is irrelevant seeing as in a CH-IN war India will already be at war with Pakistan anyway.

Maybe naval engagement - two weak navies, could be shut down by Singapore at this point.


OP specified no outsiders of course, but that's the weakness in the question.

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>>34780570
>runway busting munitions are fairly useless. Far better to get precision weapon for actually destroying the facilities, stores, and aircraft at the airbase. Fixing a runway is a simple task of gravel and a pavement patch job.

Implying runway busting doesn't include """facilities, stores, and aircraft"""

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Ive been trying to shit out a yuge log in my toilet and make a joke about its indian battleship and post a pic.
If any fiber enriched anons are on please help.

>>34781052
>Maybe through Myanmar - but that approach is through dense forest and mountains.
There is railway through Myanmar, nature obstacle isn't that much of a problem, the political one is. I don't think Myanmar would easily put themselves into such an cannon fodder role easily.

>Maybe naval engagement - two weak navies, could be shut down by Singapore at this point.
I don't necessarily agree your Singapore arguement. But you are right about the unnecessity of those two navies' engagement. It's not like Indian navy could blockage chinese shipping lane in the first place.

>>34778046
Max kek

>>34781401
Please so me the combined runway shredding cluster bomb, bunker buster primary. Doesn't exist? Yeah thought not.

Its an either or question, target the large runway and damage it in as many places as possible or leave it alone and bust the HAS and other bunkers.

If you imply they are going to launch a mass strike of precision bunker busters and tarmac shredding missiles, that requires a massive logistical build up of delivery systems, missiles, planes, bombs and airbases that currently China doesn't have. More reason for China to delay the fight for 6-12months and prepare properly. (massive strikes require far larger stores and infrastructure, despite what the chinks have been telling you)

>>34767004
Everyone knows Modi is the best India can get. What, do you want the fucking ghandis back? If so, you're the only one.

>>34763974
pakis are cousin fuckers.

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>>34763717
>How capable is India
>Uses pic with their Navy in it.
KEK

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_Naval_accidents

>>34766830
> xinhua

unironically kill yourself

>>34780570
>runway busting munitions are fairly useless
stop talking out of your ass.

>>34764030

>He said that India and the US have an “implicit defence relationship”

>America cannot stand up to China without Indian help

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>>34782959
Obviously that's a statement made for domestic consumption for the voters of the nationalist BJP party. If you are willing to be charitable you could interpret it as "It is unlikely that the US would consider a shooting war with China without enlisting India as a second front."

>>34776090
>naval formations
>close together
> sub pickets/frigate pickets
> not literally multiple miles of separation
A real life cbg doesn't look like those photo ops anon, the subs would be dozens of miles ahead of a formation of surface combatants, screening the fleet against Indian subs.

>>34776677
Well before Belgrano, HMS Swiftsure had gotten into firing range of the Argentine carrier in the middle of the main Argentine task force, radio'd for permission to fire and was turned down.
>>34776677
The UK uses exclusively W88s on Trident missiles, 450-500kt yield.
China has tested multi megaton devices, India has not.

>>34783029
>tested multi megaton devices
DF-5s are all in the MT range.

>>34776677
>>34783029
Also, the UK expects that damage from the actual at sea deterrence at a minimum. Not from 160 warheads, that's the size of the total stockpile. Ie. The lowest level of deterrence, with one sub at sea, should be capable of totally destroying Moscow or 75% of 3 Russian cities.
The successor ssbn is slated to carry 12 missiles, each carrying 4 warheads out of a possible 8. So the UK expects to achieve that level of retaliation with 48 warheads, as an absolute minimum.

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Following the stern warning issued by China to India, the latter has withdrawn troops from the bordering Doklam area late night close to Sunday morning and has left only 50 personnel in that area which means that Indian troops have finally surrendered to Chinese authorities.

https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/221901-Indian-troops-surrender-to-Chinese-warnings

>The Chinese government had warned India against interference in the areas on the pretext of ‘disputed territory’ and had given mobilization orders to its troops for operations with the objective of putting an end to India’s interventionist designs on the basis of false pretexts and claims that stand far from reality.

>China’s senior officials had also taken exception to the hegemonic conduct of New Delhi government which has “become habitual of treating the countries of South Asia as its satellites or low-category states.

>But in case of China, India is certainly oblivious to the military power and preparedness of China and is totally mistaken about its own capabilities, taking encouragement probably from its growing links with some other powers of the world”. The conflict started when, a few weeks back, Indian troops trespassed on Chinese territory in the bordering region and tried to forcibly stop the Chinese officials from some construction and development works going on in that area.

>Following the developments on Sunday, Beijing has, however, insisted upon total withdrawal of Indian forces from the area, saying that even the presence of 50 Indian personnel in the area gives birth to doubts as if India was continuing with its negative designs that symbolize rigidity and negation of international norms of diplomacy, goodwill and good neighborly ties.

So the war is off /k/?

>India and China lock horns
>India has edge initially due to primarily western-derived doctrine and hardware backed up with cheap slavshit to make up for numbers
>China quickly takes the lead when garbage Indian troops start deserting due to a lack of motivation and their poorly maintained, if at all, hardware begins to fail
>second-rate but impeccably drilled and motivated Chinese make the best of their less than stellar equipment and begin outright slaughtering Indian formations
>Indian Navy now only exists in name because 90% of the fleet has sunk due to either rust or enemy fire
>Pakistan grabs a bunch of turf in the confusion, declares final victory

>>34783829
>so is the war off ?

Sounds like it. Thank God ?

>>34783849
More like
>Chang shot Pajeet
>Chang cross the mountains but froze to death
>Chang's friends and Pajeet's friends start building bunkers
>Both shoots at each other from their bunkers
>Battle of Verdun himalaya edition

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>be britbong
>be aware that your government is giving billions of brownie point pounds to one of the many countries you dominated and shaped
>mfw they used that brownie money to do the things we should have been doing years ago

FUCK THE MODERN WORLD. FUCK IT IN THE ARSE.

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>>34766980
>In the meantime, it could only take one tweet from from the US president to drastically accelerate that timetable and fundamentally change the nature of the Chinese response from simple eviction to full blown shock and awe.
I love the world we live in

>>34783829
Clearly super unbiased and objective source you got there.

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>>34783829

This article jumps the gun a little bit. There have been multiple sources over the past few days including from the Chinese govt suggesting that India has drawn down its troop presence in Donglang, but still maintained 40-50 troops there. I believe China has insisted and demanded that all the Indian troops withdraw, whereas India a few days ago said it has not withdrawn any of its troops and maintained the same force level there. Either way it's all a bit bizarre and I think this article definitely has an inaccurate title.

>>34783903

I don't want WW3 BUT I really want to see how China would do against a peer in the region instead of the insurgent fighting that been so common in this era.

>>34783829
>the latter has withdrawn troops from the bordering Doklam area late night close to Sunday morning and has left only 50 personnel in that area

haven't seen elsewhere

India will end up surrendering soon, but will still claim victory for one reason or another (they'll probably claim that China attempted to take over half of India, with several hundred troops lol, and got repelled).

India has no allies in the region that want to help because actual diplomats aren't retarded and they realize that the entire dispute is stupid. The choices are either to get rich with China or side with India for absolutely nothing. Even Bhutan, whom depends on India on for protection, is flaking out.

>>34763717
>India v China
Short term, China. Long term, USA / TheWest
I think China is looking at 6 wars in the next 20 years not including India; Unification of Taiwan, Spratly Islands, Southern Tibet, Diaoyu Island and Ryukyu Islands, Unification of Outer Mongolia, Taking back of lands lost to Russia.
India has nukes. I don't care what else is available, both are developing nations and both have nukes. Someone's going to torch them off and warrant Western intervention.
India and China lose if they go to war.

>>34768250
1973, Israel vs Syria and Egypt.

>>34782447
>December 2013: In the third incident in the same month
Jesus pajeet, get it together

>>34784187
Pajeet just advertises.
No one else broadcast their incidents, or doesn't have enough ships to have incidents in the first place.

>>34778789
>welcome to the 70s lad
Reminder that the Polaris A-1, which entered active service in 1960, had a 1 megaton warhead.

>>34764650
id rather have both wipe eachother off

>>34784916
>Implying either of them ever use toilet paper