which one and why?

>>34758570
Neither. The .45 ACP is a dead caliber.

>>34758570
The Glock™, metal detectors can't sense it

>>34758570
Both, .45 ACP is an excellent caliber

>>34758570
I wouldn't recommend a glock in anything other than the caliber it was designed for, 9mm

>>34758570
1911.
I don't like how double-stacks feel in my hand, and since I'm stuck in CA, the capacity-advantage isn't applicable here.

>>34758570
Both.

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>>34758570
Both. They each have their own advantages applicable for different situations.

>>34758570

The bottom one. safeties are for pussies!!

>>34758666
What the fuck is that, and why do I want it?

>>34758570
i own multiples of both and love them both but each has a place

>>34758570
How about the one that has a decent trigger pull so you can actually hit your target. By the way, it's the same one made of a material that doesn't melt from being left in a hot car.

>>34758570
1911 in .45 acp and glock in 9mm. 1911 is the most known and influential handgun ever. Glock is good but why get a .45 acp glock when you can have the man stopper itself?

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>>34758733
>not getting 1911 in 9mm and glock in .45 acp

>>34758570

Both.

>>34758621

Glocks are great in 9mm and 10mm. I agree, in every other caliber you're better off with something else.

>>34758608
It's one of the most widespread used in USPSA and other competitions. Do you know anything or do you just regurgitate stupid shit you see posted here? I bet you think Glocks actually suck like le me me

>>34758778
>10mm
would be cool as long as it doesn't explode in your hand

>>34758801

Colt Delta Elites have less chamber support than 10mm glawks. Let's be honest here. 10mm guns are fine, it's all those shitty joebob .40 cal reloads at the gun show that fuck up hands.

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>>34758829
While that may be true................ why risk it with either.

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>>34758570
Why not both?

>>34758855

Wow. Just wow. Oh wow.

Metal frames are not looking so bad now.

>>34758892

don't fall for the memes anon

>>34758855
Pfffff hahahahaha

>>34758855
this makes me want full metal frames for ever

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>hurr
>durr

>>34758784
>It's one of the most widespread used in USPSA and other competitions.
That's because the power factor formula leans heavily towards bullet weight. Don't talk if you don't know shit.

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The superior choice

>>34758622
when i can only have 10 rounds anyways ill go with a browning hi power or a 1911 before a glock

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>>34758900

It's a meme for a reason, friendo.

>>34758855
>>34759062
aren't these the result of using the wrong ammunition?

>>34758996
>browning hi power
Those are 13 rounds?

>>34759073
It's the result of dipshits cramming way too much powder into handloaded ammunition and then blaming their gun for exploding.
You can tell these people are low IQ because they go "Hurr polymer frame" when the issue is that the fucking chamber had to burst open for the failure to occur.

>>34759073
Yep

>>34758975
>implying that refutes anything

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>>34758570

This one because it's basically the best of both worlds.

>Alloy frame, steel slide
>9MM or .40 S&W (Preferably the former)
>Safety and decocker, can be modified to be decocker only.
>15 round capacity
>DA/SA
>Compact variants for carrying
>Incredibly reliable

inb4 citing old and dumb military figures, they didn't take care of the M9 worth a fucking damn so any rattle-cage handgun would have issues in that situation. It's a meme just like Glocknade or muh stopping power

>>34758570

I own both (G17 Gen 4 and a Sig 1911). Try them. See how they fit your hand. Can you hit your target when firing? Are you comfortable with the magazine size? The weight? Aftermarket parts? Price? Ammo availability?

There are too many variables to get either one (which is why I got both).

Anyone have experience with .38 Super?

>>34759113
It kinda does. Ammunition used in competition settings has nothing to do with ammo used for SD/HD. Are you going to sing praise for .38 super because it's a popular competition cartridge too?

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>>34759062

Pretty much, but I think it was really common with the .40 S&W models (idk Glock models too well, sorry) and anything hotter than norm would blow it up.

Likewise though I have heard of it happening to other models but idfk.

>>34759160
The original post was:

>Neither. The .45 ACP is a dead caliber.

Who said anything about home defense? Regardless, claiming your opinion as fact when not asked for or even relevant to the conversation is doubly retarded.

>>34759191
>B-b-but .45 has this one niche usage!
Nobody cares. If I said ".577 is a dead caliber" and you retorted with "Well it's very popular with people who LARP as late 19th century British soldiers" I'd call you an idiot just the same.

>>34759244
I know you're going to strawman me again in your next post but:

>>B-b-but .45 has this one niche usage!
I guess 1911s and ammunition moving off shelves in every major retailer isn't actually happening.

You need to take a step back and get over your own personal biases. .45 ACP is in widespread use among normal consumers whether you like it or not.

>>34758733
45 acp is lower pressure than 9mm so it would be ok in glock. Also glock came up with their own 45 so they know 45 pretty well. Also the g21 takes vector mags

>>34758570

I grew up shooting 1911's and now I don't own a single one. In .45 it's just my Glock 21 and my 30. Both are Gen4's and a pleasure to shoot.

I don't see any practical reason to ever go back to a 1911 but I admit I want one every now and then. Not a high end expensive one. Just something like a base G.I. model to play with at the range.

>>34758784
....no. .40SW is used to meet power factor for limited guns and 38 super is used for open guns. production uses 9mm because there isn't minor/major.

You derp.

>i was referring to single stack limited
no you weren't

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Both

>>34758608
nah. 45+P, 450SMC and .45 super seem to do a pretty damn good job of killing things. .45ACP still works pretty damn well too.

>>34759130
Or get a cz-75. They have all the features of a m9 but a 150 bucks cheaper

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>>34758570
the glock. because it's 2017.

>>34759294
Im not saying "45 too big boy for glawknade lol xD" im saying that the 1911 is known as being .45 acp and you get a 1911 in .45 acp and you get a glock in 9mm because its known for being 9mm.

>>34758761
Delet

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>>34760400

I tried one, didn't like it. I definitely respect it and would like to like it, but the controls and grip don't feel as good as the M9 does to me.

Makes me wish M9's had a SA version or mod, though. If they do, I obviously don't know about it.

>>34758570
G30 if i want a shootable but easily ccable .45.

1911 if i wanna carry an easy to shoot well fullsize.

>>34758761
>muh nigguh

9mm 1911 is master race

>>34760540
Closest you'll get to a single action 92 is a 93 but good luck affording it

>>34760400
Or get a Tristar T120, $350 and uses the same mags and shares a good deal of parts

>>34760579
I bet youre the kind of guy to get an 7.62x39 AR instead of an AK.

>>34758570
Top, because the bottom is utterly mundane and has no soul.

>>34759130
My first gun. Love it.

>>34758570
M a n s t o p p a h

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>>34760732

Same. A 92SB specifically, so there's a bit of wear, but I love it all the same.

Thinking about getting another one soon, actually. Probably in black, but picrelated is so fucking tempting.

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>>34758666
>Glock
>Hammer

>>34761122

It's a pretty big improvement

>>34761122
>>34761173
Glocks have hammers, they're just internal retards.

>>34761403

No they have strikers

>>34761416
Yeah, striker hammer aka an internal hammer.

>>34759474
>What is projecting
You need to take it down a notch bud. .45 is still used by many USPSA shooters. I never stated anything about .40, .38 Super or 9mm.

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>>34761122
The hammer is striker fired. Duh.

>>34758616
Wew lad

>>34758855
There us a 99% chance that guy reloads.

>>34760423
>current year

Hey John

>>34758570
>For range use: 1911

>For home defense (lol just get a rifle): Glock

>For duty use: Glock

>For concealed carry: 1911

1911s are deceptively easy to carry, their far thinner slide and shorter grip really help in this regard. I like 1911s because I like SAO, and unlike any other SAO design, the safety is incredibly easy to engage and disengage (tried a USPc and hated the safety). Great trigger, great controls and ergonomics, durable and reliable so long as it's bought from a reputable manufacturer and the owner understands proper maintenance and parts replacement. As much as we like to meme, 9 shots of 45 in nearly all self defense situations is going to be sufficient (so long as the shooter has some level of accuracy - which the great trigger, etc. will help).
If not spare 1911 mags are far easier to conceal than double stack mags. In many cases you can stuff two 1911 mags in a single double stack mag carrier

>>34758570
top
aesthetics

>>34758621
yeah i was going to say who makes a better 10mm? for the price

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>>34762927
>this is correcr
1911 is fun toy to shoot and show off like "look at mah manstoppah" but if your life is on the line (in your home) go with a glock if you really just want a handgun instead of a rifle or big boy 12 gauge. Im going to cc my 1911 when I get my license.

>>34758616
Too bad it costs more than you make in a month

>>34759159

Ballistically equivalent to a .357 mag.

>>34758993

That is not a CZ-75

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>>34758666
Purrfection

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>>34759130
perfection

>>34760677
5.45 AKs rub me the wrong way, but I love 5.45 ARs. I don't know.

>>34761505
>not posting the un-edited version

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>>34763628
fuck

>>34758608
I think we swung too far the other way trying to sway people to 9mm that we've gone absolutely retarded believing that .45 is useless.

>>34763529
Anon are you implying that 1911s are cheaper than glocks?...

>>34763944
I think you're on to something

Newfags took the memes seriously and now they regurgitate what they "learned" like human botposters

>>34758616
The barrel is still steel

>>34761483
You're the spitting image of a retard

>>34764007
are you retarded? havent you heard of the glock 7?

>>34758570
1911

nothing against the glock, it's a fantastic gun it's just that the 1911 feels more comfortable to me

>>34763573
Nah basically in between 9mm +p and +p+

>>34759073
It's a result of using either hot(er than average) ammunition, reloads, or both, combined with the unsupported chamber.

It's primarily the unsupported chamber, since even a factory new round might have a flaw in the casing that could allow it to KB.

>>34758570
>7+1
>13+1
The choice is simple

>>34758666
Get rid of the hammer (keep it striker fired) and would buy/10

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>>34759130
>Alloy frame
Aluminum alloy frames have much, much shorter service lives than steel or polymer frames.

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>>34758892
Wow. Just wow. You're a faggot.

>>34759130
>no .45
Why is this? I would like a 92 or something in that

>>34758608
lol
that was a good joke

>>34760400
because i got my beretta fo freeeee

1911 because good ones are expensive and I don't want to worry about babying it. Might pick up one of those new government issue ones that just got the green light.

Unlike Glock, Springfield Armory actually donates a portion of its profits into 2A related issues.

>>34764791

An oddly enough it still outlasts a 1911 or a Glock.

>>34765305

Same. Probably because women in the military so they used 9mm and .40 S&W instead.

>>34758570
>Fun Toy vs. Shitty Tool
boy, tough choice