Indian Navy Mig-29Ks Break On Every Landing

Did the Russians not do any rigorous impact testing on the components when designing the 29K? This is quite literally a very large part of designing/repurposing any planes for carrier use

Should buy Chinese, lel.

Also why do they use MIGs if they just bought Rafale, why didn't the deal include Rafale M variants?

>>34755564
>Did the Russians not do any rigorous impact testing on the components when designing the 29K?

Probably. Are those engines being maintained and cared for in a way the same Russian engines are? Probably not.

>>34755587
They're basically totally reliant on the Russians right now as far as operations of the aircraft goes, which i'm sure the Russians are fine with, so if they're doing anything wrong I doubt the Russians will be the ones to tell them.

Brown people don't belong in the skies.

Fact.

>>34755528
>>34755564
>>34755628
They're blaming the Russians for their inability to maintain and understand the technology themselves.

Reminder that Indias military is a joke, and that they consider all logistics to be janitorial work that no "dignified man" should do.

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indians are always complaining
according to them everything they import is substandard while their own stuff is the best in the world
they complained about the su 30 but that didn't stop them from continuing to buy them in huge numbers
they are unable to manufacture and maintain equipment as seen in multiple occasions
https://thaimilitaryandasianregion.wordpress.com/2017/04/11/hal-caught-fitting-18-brand-new-sukhoi-30-mki-with-already-used-and-secondhand-engines/

Does anyone have the video of the MiG-29K landing on a carrier in slow motion where you can see the gear vibrate really fucking violently

>>34755587
This. There was an article recently talking about India's lack of ability to maintain anything, even their ammunition, which all you have to do is store it fucking correctly.

India is falling apart, is it any wonder their aircraft are? They can't even shit in a toilet if you pay them. Literally, google it, some guy was trying to take pride in India (lol) and saw people who kept shitting in the street so he offered to pay them if they would just use the fucking toilet and so they beat that guy to death.

>>34755528
That's what happens when you buy second hand export jet from Russia,that have been sitting in a hangar for 20 years

>>34755564
Isn't this their first carrier jet?

Its not surprising they didn't get the specs right.

>>34755789
No, they had the Yak-38.

>>34755528
they should buy harriers

>>34755803
Might do everyone a favor and kill a few of them.

>>34755587
>Probably. Are those engines being maintained and cared for in a way the same Russian engines are? Probably not.

Indian military personnel aren't as incompetent as their bureaucracy. Maintenance was almost certainly up to spec. At least when it comes to western equipment, they haven't had major issues. Their readiness figures aren't any different from French or Greek when it comes to Mirage 2000. Same applies when their Sea Harrier numbers are compared with FAA.

>>34755789
>Isn't this their first carrier jet?

Commies have had Yak-38's and Su-33's.

>superpower by 2022

>>34755564
To be fair, it's only Amerifats and Britstanis who have 70+ years experience in designing carrier-borne aircraft so don't expect everyone else to get it on their very first carrier-jet attempt.

>>34755803

They already retired theirs iirc

>>34755528
>Russian aircraft
>Indian maintenance.

Every time one lands at all it's a gift from fucking god. They should be thanking fucking Geneish that they work as well as they do.

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>>34755528
Well, russians never operate carrier before.

They have no idea how carrier aircraft should be tested or maintained.

I saw their carrier operations in Syria, it doesn't even look like carrier operations. There is no deck crew around aircraft for pre flight check and so on.
Chinese at least just copied US Navy carrier operations prosidures.

>>34756557
>Rampistanian Kingdom and Northern Ireland.

>Russian jets that haven't seen any design updates since Soviet days despite still being in production
>Handed over to a country whose carrier operations knowhow is at the very best, severely wanting for improvement.
>Expecting competent tech support from Russians

Now what exactly was the Indian Navy thinking?

>>34756714
didn't they lose two su-33s already?

>>34756557
First french aircraft carrier was comissioned 1927 so I think France belongs in the club too.

>>34756715
>(You)

Even though Americans were the first to physically demonstrate the viability of seaborne aircraft carriers, we blazed that trail right along by actually being first to deploy carriers into operation. Not to mention that we showed the world how steam catapults were dramatically more efficient than hydraulic catapults.

>>34756739
Not with the progress they've made. Carriers are a mostly Burger conversation if we're being honest.

>>34756725
One crashed into the sea, one snapped the cable and had to land in Tartarus.

>>34756739
>>34756789
You're both right, though credit is due to the French for being a country which a respectable history of indigenous carrier aircraft design.

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>>34756781

>>34756822
Not this shite again. I've been trolled and bootyblasted enough times in /k/ carrier threads to recognize the wisdom of simply not responding to A FUCKING R A M P posts

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>>34756839
>The jewel of the crown

>>34756714
Russians had carrier sold it to China, now operate one carrier I think not that hard to figure out some calculation for load bearing and stress

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>>34756853
>INS Vishal, or the Queen Elizabeth? Indians at parody of the UK.

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>>34756839

>>34756557
One hundred years today since the first at-sea landing on a carrier by the RNAS.

To celebrate, the Navy landed a Merlin on the QEC...

>>34755758
>they complained about the su 30
source?

>>34756461
>pooperpower

>>34755740
>they consider all logistics to be janitorial work that no "dignified man" should do.
Source?

>>34756869 after the soviets fell, the carrier was rotting in a Ukrainian shipyard afaik.
Second carrier is under construction

>ramps

India only has 10 days of munitions on hand in case a real war happened.

I doubt they could properly resupply their front lines either. Pajeet and Rahjesh would drive their convoy through a major city and get stuck in traffic for 2 days.

>>34756822
i still have one question
why two islands?

>>34761143
One controls navigation, one controls flight ops.

>>34761143
one for boat stuff, one for plane stuff

>>34756714
>I saw their carrier operations in Syria, it doesn't even look like carrier operations. There is no deck crew around aircraft for pre flight check and so on.
Chinese at least just copied US Navy carrier operations prosidures.
not RIDF, and I agree that russia fucks up with their carrier all the time, but their original doctrine was never meant to be similar to western carrier ops. the Su-33 was to fill exactly the same role as the F-14 did in USN service: protection of the fleet against anti-shipping attack aircraft. people make fun of the Su-33 for being unable to take off with both a full fuel load and weapons, but in the role of point-defense of the fleet, fuel is not the most important aspect.

now would the MiG-29K have served this exact role better? of course it would. but that is a different debate.

>>34761161
>>34761210
why not be like every other carrier and combine the two?

>>34761143
It is actually 2 carriers, if needs arise the ship will break up in the middle and a ramp rises at the back.
Bong perfidy at its finest.

>>34761245
British exceptionalism

>>34761245
Apparently helps with air flow and maximizes deck space. Presumably most other carriers don't do it because COs want things to be centralized under them, and he can only be in one island at a time.

>>34761245
There's a reason why British Engineering was never quite as revered as German Engineering.

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>>34761252
>>34761245
JOIN ME ON THE BATTLE BRIDGE

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>>34755690
Lel

>>34761293
That's wrong.

British engineering was the shit and then Germany which was the China Europe's stepped up their game.

>>34761307
>British engineering was the shit and then Germany which was the China Europe's stepped up their game.

That almost made sense

>>34761307
you can't talk english good

>>34757123
Caste System in india

>>34755782
It can't be real
http://www.hindustantimes.com/delhi-news/delhi-he-offered-to-pay-if-they-used-public-toilet-they-beat-him-to-death-instead/story-qicMfDJFG4RGbhshyK6JVO.html
Holy fuck,India is worse than Brazil.

>>34756875
the word youre looking for is parity by illiterate friend. Also, the streets below are much to clean to be india.

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>>34755690

This is true.

Mud races are strictly mud-borne.

>>34755528
Russian engines are not made for long lifespan. Expectation fighter and pilots gonna die not to spend to much on them. Carriers landing are some the most traumatic events a air frame can have without a crash. This is one reason Russian/Soviet carriers sucked

>be india
>remove harriers
>be iraq
>get abrams destroyed
>be saudis
>get abrams destroyed
>be turkey
>get cobra destroyed
INFERIOR
POO
GENES

>>34761281
Nope.

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>>34762167
What about Germans getting Tiger and Starfighters destroyed without being shot at?

>>34761294
So glad they ditched idea

>>34762192
They flew them in ways they weren't designed for. Look at the Spanish, Italians and Japanese. Very low lose rate when it was used as an interceptor.

>>34756716
CHEEP CHEEP!

>>34756557
Su-33 was ok, it is just MiG been a joke last 30 years. History of them selling second hand MiG-29 as new should've teach customers but no...

>>34762349
>Italians
They lost almost 40% to crashes, Belgian and Canadian losses were higher.
The Spanish and Japanese flew them under very strict conditions.

>>34761482
Whoa whoa hey now. India is bad but not Brazil tier.

>some fucking call center curry nerds turn the kiev into a floating designated shitting platform so you sell them bootleg jets and sell them bootleg parts when the bootleg jets break

maskirovka everyone

>>34755564
They slapped some extra corrosion resistant paint on a Mig 29 and called it a day

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>>34755528
>“Since induction in February 2010, 40 engines (62 percent) of twin-engine MiG-29K fighters have been withdrawn from service due to design-related defects,” according to the report.

It's called Maskipooska, they show you what you want to see. When poos comes to shove, India will dominate the world.

>>34762192
That one is on the design, not the user.

Canada lost a full half of its Starfighter fleet to accidents.

>>34762167
>be turkey
>get cobra destroyed
don't forget the leopard 2s

>>34762713

Yeah I love the F-104 but it was a widowmaker.

>Chinese at least just copied US Navy carrier operations prosidures (sic)

Brazilian, you meant

https://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htnavai/20130201.aspx

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2CaoYMzkR0

The Krauts are so bootyblasted by the F-104, they made a movie about it

>>34762713
Canada lost even more F-86s.

>>34763196
I wonder what will happen if India operates Starfighters by the hundreds.

>>34761245

The main reason is that the towers are also chimney stacks for the two gas turbines. By separating the turbines by a large distance, and having two towers which can each if necessary do both ship and airborne operations, there is plenty of redundancy in case of damage.

maybe their pilots should land their aircraft easier

>>34756791
Both were caused by the arresting gear; one, the cable snapped on landing and the pilot failed to bolter, and the other (on a different day) ran out of fuel while waiting for a malfunction in the arresting gear to be fixed from the previous guy landing.

>>34763196
>RTL
figures
also Starfighter was just a shitshow for the government
>no experience in newest Jet technology nor enough people to actually fly them
>whatever lets buy them and use them for everything

>>34762557
jej

>>34756715
They invented the whole aircraft carrier, along with steam catapults and angled flight deck. They also invented the FUCKING RAMP.

>>34763496
Also massive bribes, there would have been zero starfigher export deals without bribery or planes being handed out free as US military assistance. People like Erich Hartmann protested the defective plane they picked before it even entered service.

>>34763706
>You

POO

>>34763706
Ramps are for fags and cripples. The British navy is full of the former and as effective as the latter.

It's perfect for the British Sailor and Airman.

>>34755564
It's called planned obsolescence. Parts breaking early forcing the customer to buy a replacement - Russia learned all the capitalist tricks.

>>34755564

Indians don't perform maintenance, seeing it as beneath them. They're also fucking incompetent.

http://www.airnewstimes.co.uk/air-chief-flies-su-30-to-restore-confidence-in-pilots-13281-news.html

>India gets brand new Su-30 fighters
>Even though no other country has problems with them, Indian pilots declare the Su-30 to be poorly made because they keep crashing them
>Indian air chief has to fly the plane personally to restore confidence in the aircraft
>Early 2000's, the same shit: air chief had to fly a MiG-21 because the Indians were crashing so many of them and blamed it on the aircraft instead of their own stupidity
>Crashed 30 aircraft between 2008 and 2011, including 16 MiG-21's and 10 helicopters
>2011 alone, they crashed 8 fighters and 4 helicopters

India is shit. They can't make guns for their tanks that don't blow up when they fire them, they can't make a rifle that isn't complete shit, etc.

>>34768118
>No proof at all

>>34767703
>>34767703
This

Indians are just Russias cash cow pooping gold bars into their hands

Indians on the other hand are unable to operate and maintain anything like a normal human being and screech about Russian stuff when they break it.

Ultimately Russians don't care because Indians will keep buying replacements.

>>34755528
Lmao the Kiev can't launch any other aircraft than Migs.

>the absolute state of Indian logistics planning

>>34768184
Russian stuff doesn't work either.

They couldn't manage carrier strikes in Syria. They lost 2 aircraft almost immediately, then shifted all their naval planes to land bases. Then their carrier, which took 3 months with a tug to reach Syria, broke down again on the way back. Now it is sitting in a dock waiting endless repairs.

>>34755758
>that rust

HOLY COW PISS

>>34769211
Yeah, but for about 5 minutes Russian nationalists got the cream their pants over them deploying a carrier.

>>34769211
Well they actually got about a week of operations in before they had the mishaps and transfered the planes onto land. That's more than what people were claiming in 2014 (Russia has no power projection).

>>34755528
Two scenarios:
>russian planes a shit
or
>some sort of russian scheme where they purposely sold lack luster planes that would break often to force buyers to pay even more money to buy parts for repair

The both fit right in with russian tendencies

>Russian Quality Assurance
>Indian logistics

.....so why are you shocked?

>>34755758
India is arab tier, but without money, and the rest of NATO basically holding their damn hands perpetually. India has enclaves of what the world should be like, in the same sense that mexico does, but its not significant compared to the whole. If you are reading this, and from india, well, you are probably in an enclave i speak of.

>>34769939
India is an 80 iq country
They have a few high-ish IQ ethnicities but the rest of them are Africa tier IQ.

That alone says everything you need to know about the continent.

This is why US/Canada/Europe is going to shit, we are importing millions of 70-80 IQ animals while promoting rampant dysgenics.
Average IQ is fucking everything, and its dropping rapidly.

>>34769581
this is exactly what Russia did with Iraqi T-72s

>>34762333
Doesn't Prometheus have THREE bridges?