/meg/ - Military Enlistment General

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http://www.strawpoll.me/13619090

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I'm going into Army basic training out of shape as fuck in two weeks. I can only run 2 miles in 17 minutes, do about 35~40 push ups in 2 minutes, and about 40-45 sit ups in 2 minutes. How fucked am I?

>>34749518

Absolutely fine, just try hard in BCT and you'll pass easily. BCT is built to pass 90%+ of people.

Just don't expect to do any high-speed shit unless you can get your APFT up into the high 200s at the least.

In South Florida, trying to get an Air Force recruiter on the phone. I talked to one near me (Margate) last week and was told to call him back when I have all my medical paperwork. Well now I have it and I haven't been able to reach him all week. Calling 3-4 times a day. Not only can I not reach HIM, I can't reach ANY Air Force recruiters in like a 50-60 mile radius. I go down the list of offices closest to me, calling them for the past three days, and nobody answers. I leave voicemails, nobody calls back. And it's not because I had any red flags, I have my bachelors (enlisting though), and got an 83 on the EST. why does nobody answer their phones

>>34749615
Air Force recruiters don't give a fuck since so many people are trying to get in the USAF.

Reminder that, if you lie at MEPS about mental history, you better be sure you can handle the training/ military lifestyle for 4 years.

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>tfw shoulder pain when I do push ups

>>34749644
and you better be sure you're not going for a job with a sec clearance if you have documented mental health history

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>>34749726
Rehab your shoulder, refine your form, lose weight if fat.
>>34749615
Dont go AF. Go Navy.
>>34749518
>I can only run 2 miles in 17 minutes
Are you very fat or just very slow?

>>34749518
Just wanted to chime in and say the OPAT is shockingly hard if you haven't been training. Talking about the running portion. It basically equates to about 1/2 mile, most of which is sprinting with gay turns that slow you down and kill momentum. It's crazy the Army can make quota with this in place.

>>34749750
I meant more for people that just went to therapy/ were on some depression or ADD meds. Plus, if it's been 7> years since you saw a professional about it, then you don't have to document it on your SF- 86

>>34749615
What is the bachelor's in? GPA?

>>34749864
I'm a skelly, actually below the minimum weight for my height. Gonna not do anything involving my shoulder until about Monday

Mildly altering medical paperwork to cut off MEPS from constantly pulling the string. Good or really bad idea?
Some of my docs had chattermouths on paperwork it seems and it leads to a counselor guy who stealth diagnosed me with depression.

That said, how likely is a Depression Waiver for USMC when the diagnosis was apparently so benign that they didn't feel a need to inform me I had it? I crosschecked it with DSM 5's Minor Depression diagnostic criteria and don't think it actually meets the requirements since it was less than 2 weeks, and associated symptoms were more grief related than sadboi shit.

>>34750593
>let me falsify paperwork signed by others so I can falsify federal paperwork

Hmmm

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So I'm in a bit of a conundrum. Figured you guys could help me out.

Basically here's my deal. I'm looking into joining the military. I'm 28 and got a child. No criminal history other than 2 speeding tickets from about a decade ago. No drug use or outstanding debt.

I took the ASVAB with the Army recruiter and scored a 97 on it. I'm interested in the military but have been entertaining the idea of other services.

My job cut back everyone's hours so we're "part time" at about 36 hours a week and cut med benefits. I'd like to do something interesting in the military or combat arms barring that. I don't just want to service trucks or some shit.

Is there any service that is more family oriented?

Also, what job sector should I look at? Intelligence? ATC?

My wife is in the process of getting her citizenship (current green card holder. Has been for 6 years) but she's Iranian. Would this impact my ability to get a TS?

Sorry for the barrage of shit. Just a bit at my wits end with my job and stretching my pennies.

Is joining the army to become a tank crew man good or bad idea?

>>34751588
>I'm interested in the military but have been entertaining the idea of other services
???
>she's Iranian. Would this impact my ability to get a TS?
100% absolutely
>Is there any service that is more family oriented?
Join the AF, no chance youll get an intel job with a sand nigger for a wife though.

>>34751588
>but she's Iranian. Would this impact my ability to get a TS?
Yes, Iran isn't on the low threat countries matrix

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Repeating from last thread

Do all TACP's require a TS clearance? Or is that just the ST TACPs
Does the Romad life allow just a secret clearance?

>>34751650
It's late and I'm pulling an extra shift dude. I meant I'm looking at the Army, but am interested and open to other services.

Would my chances of going Intel go up with another service? Or alternatively, would it still matter after she's a US citizen?

>>34751656
Same question, if I enlist and she finally gets citizenship would that still hinder me from retraining from something like Air Traffic to Intel Analyst?

>>34751588
No way you're getting a TS or even S. By the way, if you try to get a job that requires either of those and you're denied, you won't even be able to service trucks and you'll likely be discharged. Probably won't make it past basic

>>34751809
Yes, it will still be a problem

You basically ruined your chance at ever getting a security clearance. Hope she's worth it

>>34751809
>Would my chances of going Intel go up with another service? Or alternatively, would it still matter after she's a US citizen?
Im nearly positive that aint gonna matter. Thats what you get for marrying a terrorist dude.

I average 8 minutes/mile, how hard/easy will any cardio activities of basic training be for me?

>>34751588
Yes it will matter. It not as much as you think. S is probably attainable, TS is up in the air but probably not.

>>34751650
>>34751656
>>34751814
>>34751839
Don't listen to these guys. I've known Iraqis who have gotten a TS, and plenty of arabs get an S. Your chances are better with the Army. Unfortunately he Army isn't the best as far as family life goes.

It depends on what's verifiable. They're looking at YOU when the do an S investigation. I had a fucking PRC chink in my unit with an S and he was formerly a member of the CPC.

It's all about what your background is and if they can dig shit up.

t. Former 35L

>>34751899
You're retarded, the service you're in has no bearing on the sec clearance review process, it's a DoD wide standard.

For TS they WILL review her relatives in Iran and look for connections to anything remotely bad

>>34751842
I had 2 Russians in my unit and we all got secret a clearance

>>34751913
you're a retard Mr Keyboard Warrior

your expertise is from reading /k/ I'd bet

>>34751913
>For TS they WILL review her relatives in Iran and look for connections to anything remotely bad

Exactly fucktard. It's about what they can prove. And even for a goddamn TS they don't hook up a spouse for a poly. It's absolutely attainable.

>>34751935
>It's about what they can prove.
This

Think a lot of people forget the adjudicator can't deny your application on a whim or due to a rumor/allegation, there has to be a concrete issue

>>34751809
>couldn't get a wife
>married some poor girl from a shithole who took her chance to escape from there

don't be surprised when she ditches you after getting her citizenship, and it will be only fair since she already paid you being your wife which i bet she hates

>>34751899
Thanks for the insight. We've already been through a ton of interviews with INS, and like I said she was granted permanent residency status. I figure it would just be a bit extra investigation which is fine since we don't have anything to hide

>>34751965
I'm gonna say /k/ isn't the best place for solid answers on something this specific. Most of /meg/ caters to imbeciles and keyboard cawadooty LARPers who want to operate.

That being said, I've never seen anyone who's a resident of the US or their spouse get denied a clearance unless they were a total fuck. I did 6 years as a 35M and worked with guys from all over the place.

>>34752003
>>34751965
You forget your trip is on mate?

>>34752003
>>34752003
>derides /k/ as being full of LARPers
>is either LARPing as having an Iranian wife or LARPing as being a 35M vet

Fuck off

>>34751965
>>34752003
Let's samefag roleplay and shit up an otherwise useful thread: the posts

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>>34751588
>>34751965
>>34752003
IS THIS REAL LIFE?!?!

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>>34751965
>>34752003
your ruse is up, chap

>>34750671
Thus the doubts and wondering how the more forthright option works generally speaking.

>>34752022
>>34752035
>>34752111
Can someone explain to me what makes a human being do this >>34752157? Seriously what is the point to samefagging and arguing with yourself? Is it attention seeking?

>>34752239
To be fair I have on 4chan replied to myself before with an opinion claiming to be an expert or whatever because I know that people are more likely to correct others than answer questions in my experience

But that guy sounds like some dude who is so fucking bored that he makes up a persona on 4chan to have fun

>>34752282
>>34752239
Sounds like that guy wanted reassurance/validation that he would be able to get a clearance with a dune wife and when he was shot down, he samefagged to make himself feel better.
Also this poster >>34752282
could be that guy

At what point in your commission process do you get your flight physical if you are trying to be a pilot?

I'm hoping to compete for an OTS slot and try to be a pilot, but I really don't want to commit only to find out that I failed the physical and am stuck in some bull shit job. Its the reason I'm not reenlisting.

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Leaf here

I have always been interested in military service, especially air force pilot. Up until lately I thought i would just serve in Canada, but I wanna fly jets, and its very unlikely I will be able to with the way our system works.

I looked into the USAF, but you need to be a citizen to enlist as an officer, and i dont think i can get my citizenship in time to apply to be a pilot.

Is there any way to get around this? Can i become an officer in canada and somehow transfer to service in the states? would it be easier to try naval aviation?

I dont know much about how US military training works, so any help/advice would be greatly appreciated

>>34752317
>e samefagged to make himself feel better
But doesnt he realize hes the one re-assuring himself? That sounds like some insane mental gymnastics.

Are there any definitive guides to getting into shape for service or is it pretty much just whatever fits you?

>>34752995
Never mind. I'm a retard.

Guys, I'm scared.
DS didn't yell today.

>>34751862
You're fine.
>>34753039
You're fucked.

is this the right place to get the dreaded form ahead of time?

https://www.opm.gov/forms/pdf_fill/sf86-non508.pdf

What are benefits of going active duty instead of joining the national guard?

>>34753660

National Guard/Reserve doesn't actually get bennies, there are special rules that keep them from using Tricare except when active, and special rules that stop them from using their GI bills or VA loans until after something like six years.

It isn't some "best of both civilian and military worlds" solution, you still get deployed and yoinked out of your civilian life but you aren't kept as sharp as the active duty guys, and you get dicked out of all of your bennies. Basically it's a way to get fucked over.

>>34753343
Yes

>>34753660
You get fucked in the ass everyday instead of just once a month.

>>34749615
fucking walk in then

>>34751731
>Do all TACP's require a TS clearance?
no, they just need a Secret, also keep in mind that there are only about 30~40 ST TACP

>>34753789
Only good for getting two pensions as a federal employee

Gonna get my contract soon.

I wanna post it on IG because I need attention to survive

What things do I need to omit? Should I black out my ship date or location?

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How often do you guys use your military discount?
What's the easiest way to do it without looking like a dick?

>>34754845

My dad did 20 and he just straight up asks if they have one. He gives zero fucks. The only time it's awkward is when people thank him for his service a bunch before just giving him the discount.

>>34754705
>posting your contract on instagram
Your military career will be over as soon as it starts. Are you also going to post other documents while you're in?

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>>34749750
>Have ADD
>Last time I picked up a prescription was late 2015
>Technically got the note for adderall Jan 2016, but never cashed it in, so been dry for almost 2 years
>Didn't consult doc, just parents
>Want an intel job
Am I good or am I fucked?

I'm a nuke. Good thing I only have three years left, and we're stuck in port often, which means I can live a clean constructive life outside of work better than most.
In case any of you are doubtful, the OP image is correct. Don't be fooled. DON'T GO NUKE!!!!!!

>>34752406
As a leaf you'd have better luck with the RAF.

Anybody know anything about the Army CI community?

>>34755320
it depends what you put on your sf86

Redpill me on the 82nd. What do I need to know about them, and how do I assure that I'm assigned to them after jump school.

just finished army bct up for osut
lol that fucken sucked

>>34751862
you'll be fine. my first 2 mile run was 17:30 ish, by the end of basic i was running a 15:40. not a stellar run time but ait standard :))))

>>34756177
Yeah, my worry is they find out either way, and if I lie on SF86 I'm fucked.

>>34756362
>What do I need to know about the
They are the same as every other """""airborne""""" unit

>and how do I assure that I'm assigned to them after jump school.
You dont

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>recruiter encouraging me to lie at meps
>dont tell them shit, answer no for everything they cant see with their own eyes
>youve never had adhd, youve never been on meds, youve never smoked

Is he right? I don't know shit about this, i dont want to be discharged 2 months in to boot camp for lying at meps (or worse fined), I've been on depression meds but thats it

>>34756882
How long ago were you diagnosed and when were you taking meds?

>>34756923
adhd meds i havent taken them in 6 years
depression and anxiety meds ive been on and off all through highschool but they didnt do shit and im 24 now. I have a prescription for some anti anxiety med but i dont even take it since it doesnt help, havent taken it in months

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I'm fat, passive aggressive, think highly of myself, am a community college intellectual, and really hate working.

In which military service would I best fit?

>>34756941
if you have a current prescription you're fucked, go cancel it immedaitely

>>34754999
Fair enough.

>>34756964
Air force

>>34756882
just lie I did, they can't pull your records at MEPS. They will try to break you at MEPS, I made it, guy next to me didn't but he was retarded anyway

>>34756964
JROTC so you can b8 on /meg/ every day after school.

>>34756966
if he's going to lie anyway, it really doesn't matter

they won't see shit unless he has a mental breakdown and they look into it. as it is, lying is his only way in because more than 3 years of medication does not meet the standard.

>>34756882
if you don't have to fill out a SF86 there isn't much reason to not lie as long as you can handle the lying (some can't).

what branch/job you signing up for?

>>34756941
>6mo "clean" from anti-anxiety and only bc it wasn't helping
bro, in all honesty, just go join a construction trade, not the military. you don't need a resume, you will make more money sort of and it won't trigger your anxiety nearly as bad or require lying.

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I listen to XXXtentacion, which military service should I join?

>>34757068
>that kid who feels he needs to mention his JROTC history in basic every five seconds

Why do they do this?

>>34757232
except im not anxious and never have been, more "depressed" than anything. All of these fucking diagnosises i was just going through something shitty, and let a doctor tell me I was fucked up and had "clinical depression"

I don't want to do construction, ive done it for 6 months and its fucking awful

>>34757233
Marines

Young, dumb, probably been in jail a couple of times and aggressive

>>34756966
>>34757223
also, anxiety does not meet the standard

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>>34757264
>Young, dumb, probably been in jail a couple of times and aggressive

They accept felons and gangbangers but not people that were on prozac for a month?

>>34756624
How difficult 1 to 10, and where was it

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>>34757297
that was my justification for lying

fuck it

i got my bennies, my ego stroking, my chance to play/train with guns, and free grad school

>>34757252
ok anon, whatever you say, just think long and hard if the military is a good idea

On the SF- 86 it says that you don't have to put grief or family counseling down. My mom, sister, and I saw a therapist for a few months after my dad left when I was a teenager. It wasn't court ordered, I wasn't diagnosed with anything, and it was really just to try help us through it. Do I have to put it on the SF- 86, or is it covered under the "grief/ family counseling" umbrella?

If I lie at MEPS about ADD and then tell the truth on my SF86 for a TS, am I good or does OPM buttfuck me?

>>34757564
How long ago was it, if it was 7> years ago then you don't even have to mention it on the SF- 86. But, as for your question IDRK desu. I would assume that they'd fuck you for it though.

Serving could be fun
https://youtu.be/JDG3YXkyGl4

>>34753343
At least for the Navy I filled it out on their own website, I wouldn't fill out the form manually but it may prove useful to start getting the info you need for it

>looking at this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_military_bases
>See almost half the fucking bases for the Marines are in Japan
I had no idea they had so little bases/had mostly bases in Japan.

A shame I'm going Army and have no internet in Marines.

>>34753343
why dread?
no, no, never

>Air Force recruiter called me and told me it's been a year and his higher ups(but never went to MEPs) told me to give up and stop trying after I got a letter from a counselor saying I was clear to joined
What do?

>>34758051
go any other branch

>>34758051
Go to another branch. You never went to counseling, and you never ever have had issues.

>>34758182
He was telling me to I would have to go to a different MEPS altogether because I wouldn't be in the system there...

But like, don't all MEPs share databases?

>>34758202
Not him, but I tried this once with medical problems. The new branch I went to still had stuff from the old branch I had to deal with.
Once something is sent to MEPs, it's in that system. Or it was for me at least.

>>34758241
That's why you lie

If you want in, you say
"No, no, never" to every question

>>34758355
Sadly it was too late for me, my info was already at MEPS. So I couldn't take it back.

Why the fuck do so many people here have such a problem with saying "no" at MEPS

Fuck

>>34758380
>say no sir, i don't have depression
>go to bct
>realize it sucks
>threaten to kill yourself to get out
>army has you watched by some other recruit for days as they investigate
>turns out you lied on federal forms
>that'll be $3k, a felony, and no guns ever, don't come back
hmm

>>34758412
>felony

Do they ever actually prosecute it? There's a bit of a difference between writing something incorrect on a form and intentionally lying on a government form.
.
Absent some message saying "yeah lol I'm gonna write I wasn't diagnosed with depression even though I know I was!" I'm not sure they can really prove you intentionally lied (see: how rarely perjury is prosecuted)

>>34758380
Scared of it somewhere catching of to them I guess.
The idea of serving for 10 years and then something about your past something comes up would suck.

I mean I imagine it barely happens, but imagine telling a story about the time you broke a leg or something, and you never told the military about it, couldn't they give you a dishonorable discharge?

>>34758444
It's generally a general discharge.

>>34758444
AFAIK a dishonorable requires a court martial and unless you did something really fucking bad they're not going to go through the effort for it, they'd give you a general instead. They can order you to give back all the money they've paid you though

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Is it true that being late is a felony in the military?
Meme me on the UCMJ?

This nig found out
http://www.nj.com/burlington/index.ssf/2017/06/i_am_a_felon_for_being_6_minutes_late_to_a_meeting.html

>Manago, of Willingboro, was convicted at court-martial March 9 of failing to go to his "appointed place of duty." He was late to a meeting he requested with his commander to discuss his concerns that he was being treated unfairly by his supervisors at the Joint Base McGuire-Dix-Lakehurst in Burlington County, according to him and his attorney.

"When he said I was guilty, it didn't hit me until after I sat down and thought about it," Manago said earlier this month. He realized he was now convicted of a federal crime "for being six minutes late to a meeting I requested, that was about wrongdoing. Something is wrong."

>>34758486
Kek

This sort of attitude is endemic in the Air Force and many other branches now since a lot of the advertising seems to be about the benefits you can get in the military (GI Bill, medical, etc.) People are joining for the bennies while keeping an attitude that it's like a normal job and that you can still act/behave like a citizen

>>34758437
>Do they ever actually prosecute it?
No you just get chaptered out

>>34758462
>>34758465
>They can order you to give back all the money they've paid you though
That sounds pretty horrible as well. I don't think it'd be possible for anyone to do this, unless it was in payments forever like college loans.

>>34758486
>>34758486
>He was late to a meeting he requested with his commander to discuss his concerns that he was being treated unfairly by his supervisors
>then gets a felony
Awful irony.

>>34758527
I'm not sure on the ordering you to pay the money you've earned, I've just heard that that gets done

Been in for a year now, shit only continues to get worse.

Strongly discourage joining the Army. If you have the stones to make it through a few months of bullshit, the Marine Corps is much better. If you don't, just join the Air Force, they're much less overburdened with silly crap.

>>34758486
Some uppity nigger set up a meeting with his commander to bitch about his sergeant.

The uppity nigger had a known attitude problem, and the commander was looking for a reason to get him transferred/get rid of him.

Uppity nigger showed up late, and got the book thrown at him for being an idiot.

It might seem unfair, but I guarantee he was a worthless piece of shit that had that coming.

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>>34758486
>Is it true that being late is a felony in the military?

So is offending someone who outranks you. You don't even have to insult them directly.

http://www.law.uh.edu/faculty/pjanicke/Military%20Law/Segment%202.%20Offenses/Insubordination%20offenses/MCM_on_Art.89_disrespect_to_officer.doc

Other fun things that will be considered a felony when you are in are:

Instances of violation of this article include knowingly making a false official statement; dishonorable failure to pay a debt; cheating on an exam; opening and reading a letter of
another without authority; using insulting or defamatory language to another officer in that officer’s presence or about that officer to other military persons; being drunk and disorderly in a public place; public association with known prostitutes; committing or attempting to commit a crime involving moral turpitude; and failing without good cause to support the officer’s family.

http://www.sapr.mil/public/docs/ucmj/UCMJ_Article134_General_Article.pdf

/k/, it may be time for you to take just a quick glance at the UCMJ if you are serious about the military.

>>34758537
Now that I think about it some more they may just be able to order you to pay back allowances/bonuses but I'm not sure

It seems like it would be mighty unfair to force you to pay back base pay

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>>34758556
>mighty unfair
Your problem. You failed to comply with regs and laws if you are being ordered to repay the military.

>>34758545
>Strongly discourage joining the Army. If you have the stones to make it through a few months of bullshit, the Marine Corps is much better
Howso?
Doesn't it always depend on location?

>>34758555
I heard insulting/talking bad about the president is also a no no.

>>34758585
>I heard insulting/talking bad about the president is also a no no.
If that was true entire career fields in the USAF would be in jail or out.

>>34758585
Yeah you probably shouldn't be posting "fuck Drumpf and fuck white people" on Twitter if you're in the military

>>34758585
The army is completely overburdened by useless training and has legitimately incompetent people in charge at every level. Also, the bureaucratic process to make any change is absolutely absurd.

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>>34758585
>I heard insulting/talking bad about the president is also a no no.

Article 88, famalam. Let the cucks come, we can fight them with their own weapons: legal action.

>>34758606
That's only for commissioned officers

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>>34758592
They only do it because their commanders/superiors have weak command skills and don't enforce by making an example of the louder enlisted with Facebook accounts.

Refusal to enforce regs = more circus like antics = less effective units not focused on the mission

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speaking of army policy, this is kinda funny

fm 6-22.5

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>>34758611
Article 134

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>>34758626
I'd love to see some junior enlisted guy try and use that in his defense.

Article 113, sempai

>>34758626
kek
this is some pc bullshit at it's finest
at TBS they let the butterbars get 8hr sleep every night minimum because they are afraid of sleep deprivation
used to be 5hr if you were really lucky

>>34758626
>>34758642
kek
What about the 12 hour shift bullshit that happens often for branches?
I mean it would be somewhat true

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>>34758657
Well, if you try and defend yourself in court you had better be sure you know those regs/laws backwards and forwards. Their legal team will be much better than the one you are given.

What happens if you fail a test in military PT?
Say you do 70 push ups, 80 sit ups, but the 2 mile takes you 17 minutes.

>>34758626
>pretend to care about sleep deprivation
>junior swos get 4hr of sleep for 3 months and pilot a 9200 ton war vessel loaded with people and high explosives

>>34758685
If it's your first fail in 3 years as far as I know you're just moved into remedial PT

If it's your second fail in 3 years you can be chaptered

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>>34758650
I dunno how much your CoC references the Performance Triad, but 6-22.5 is the FM that covers the Performance Triad and it's pretty funny all around.

>>34758657
pic related for you

>>34758692
It's even worse on submarines from what I understand

>>34758685
What did you run today? Why haven't you fucking run today? And never run to the standard, run beyond the standard that way there is no risk of you getting assfucked.

>>34758701
>>34758692
>>34758626
I didn't join the Navy because I hear they work long ass hours.

Also don't like boats.

>>34758650
>letting soldiers get enough sleep is pc bullshit

you are the worst kind of NCO

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Quick question, does smoking medicinal marijuana in civilian life disqualify you from ever becoming a Ranger? Is there any way to have it be known and not fuck yourself so you don't have to lie under oath? I know several people who have made things like EOD tech and the like that i smoked with even, but do they not require polygraphs or TS clearance for that MOS? Am I just overthinking this shit? I'd be clean for years at the point of enlistment if that helps.

>>34758719
The only good E4 is an uncomfortable E4

>>34758719
in the usmc officer training pipeline ocs is a filter and tbs is where you learn to lead marines
if tbs is fucking weak and you aren't adequately prepared to lead men, that is a failure

>staring getting in shape at the age of 21 or so
>currently 24 and in the best shape of my life, no longer a spooky skeleton
>see the PT requirements for age 22-26
>50 points is 17:30 for age 22-26
>meanwhile 50 points for 18-21 is 16:36
An extra minute will help me a lot.

>>34758755
Did you run today?

>>34758766
D-does a cycle bike count?

Also, upon looking shit up, I realized I've been training wrong the whole time.
>for the longest time I thought you had to do 50ish push ups, and 50ish sit ups in 1 minute
>turns out it's 2 minutes for each one
I can almost do 50 for each in about a minute because I'm a retarded.
But I guess it's good that I'm overprepared for that?

>>34758812
Your training in scenarios less stressful than your goal will give you the results you deserve, i.e. a failure.

Your fear of mild discomfort for a simple 40 minute run will only fuck you in the ass.

Remember. The test didn't fuck you. You fucked you. Now get nice and comfortable at that computer you are sitting at right now, because I am sure the Future You during that test will appreciate just how hard you are fucking him right now.

>>34758847
Fine. I will start tomorrow. I'm assuming I should 5-6 times a week if I want to take it serious.

Can any infantry dudes post their 2 mile run times before and after OSUT?

speaking of pt
what the fuck is the point of pull ups if you arent required to actually do any at all?

>>34758872
>tomorrow
Whatever. Guess darkness makes it impossible to move your legs.

>>34758910
Plz anon, it's friday and I already worked out today, don't make me feel bad.

if a social workers notes say i "may" have mild depression and anxiety but there's no diagnosis of any sort, can I get in trouble for putting no on the forms?

>>34758944
If it wasn't diagnosed, it doesn't exist.

>>34758692
>>34758701
>>34758711
This is complete nonsense. SWOs get way fucking way more sleep than that.

>>34758970
what if i have other things (the numbness/tingling and palpitations question) that were diagnosed

the dr thought i might have anxiety or some shit so she sent me to the social worker, which will be in my medical records, which meps will want if i answer yes to the palpitations and numbness questions

it was a vitamin imbalance due to shit diet

will the meps doctors read my records and say "no diagnosis, no problem" or will i get fucked for putting no?

>>34759002
Not that anon, but an anon going through medical record hell atm with the military.

I saw your post, and seemed to have posted nothing at all.

Seriously though OPs of each thread should for now on say something like
>Should I tell my recruiter about-
No.
>No, like what if it's a really small thin-
No.
>But what if
No. You have no problems. You are perfect.

>>34759058
This exactly.

You have two shitty scenarios:
>lie on medical shit, get chaptered out years later
>don't lie and get perma DQed from the military

As long as you don't have shit like scars from your "I hate myself xD" phase.

>>34759058
>>34759120
people normally get a general discharge for lying about medical shit, and only get prosecuted if they conceal criminal shit

what if the person in question is an officer lying about medical shit?

>>34759207
They get booted? Not like they go to jail or anything.

General under honorable is just fine, the worst thing is that you don't get the GI Bill.
You only get prosecuted if you've wronged the military.

is it better to be high speed, high drag or low speed, low drag?

>>34759120
>>34759207
For people who do submit medical shit, I said earlier I am in the process.
Is there still a fairly good chance to join but it's more annoying, or is it like 1% if you ever admit anything?

>>34759266
depends what you admit

you can find the standards the military uses to determine whether or not a waiver is even possible online

if you don't meet the standard and want in, lie

if you meet the standard, make your recruiter do the paperwork for a waiver

>>34758723
>Quick question, does smoking medicinal marijuana in civilian life disqualify you from ever becoming a Ranger?
no

>Is there any way to have it be known and not fuck yourself so you don't have to lie under oath?
what do you mean?

>but do they not require polygraphs or TS clearance for that MOS?
the only careers that require a polygraph test are special access programs, remember polys aren't that reliable and can be somewhat expensive

Nuke sounds like fun. Is it really that bad living on a submarine? I haven't left the house in 2 months tho so maybe it's just me.

>>34758723
>does smoking medicinal marijuana
this implies you needed it for a condition tight? What did you need it for?
>>34759501
If this isnt bait youre making a huge mistake. If youre smart enough to be nuke than youre smart enough to go CTN and actually love your job instead of hate it.

>>34759379
First, thanks for responding. In regards to the second line of greentext. I mean is there any way I could tell my recruiter or get a waiver for prior use in the Army specifically so if the question comes up during RASP i'm not fucked and i don't have to lie. Do they just not ask as long as you're clean? I know for most shit people just lie (half my friends that served)and it's not an issue but i heard Rangers are sometimes required to get S or TS clearance. I read an article about the Air-Force at least being a little more lax about it as long as you are %100 clean while active and the amount not mattering because who remembers that?
>http://www.military.com/daily-news/2017/01/10/air-force-expands-medical-waivers-no-questions-prior-marijuana.html

>>34759512
I don't have a card or any condition warranting one, i've just thrown in when friends who did have one were ordering. I was more pointing it out to give it semi-legitimacy compared to some pcp-sprinkled shit from Damu-truf, but I suppose that's neither here nor there. A fair bit of people do make up an excuse that a doctor can't disprove, but i also have a friend who legitimately needed it to get through chemo and rad treatment.

I would much rather be able to have full disclosure because that's my only vice and it's de-criminalized in my state now(Cali.) as well, and lying just to get in over something so trivial and the consequences of it being found out seems like hoisting myself with my own petard.

>>34759726
>Do they just not ask as long as you're clean?
this is pretty much the sentiment

>Rangers are sometimes required to get S or TS clearance
almost everyone in the military has a secret clearance, TS just involves a credit and background check, and i think the only Rangers that get that are one in the RRC

>>34759726
>I would much rather be able to have full disclosure
dont, just stay quit.
>the consequences of it being found out seems like hoisting myself with my own petard.
Theres no way theyll find out plus those "consequences" are all talk

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What's a good branch for someone who wants to pursue a
degree and maybe become an officer after 4 years of deployment?

>>34760109
>4 years of deployment
i dont think you know what youre saying
And its the AF cause they do the least.

>>34760109
USAF.
Excellent tuition assistance program, and most jobs are 8-5 style, which leaves you plenty of time to go to school.

Once you have your BS, you can apply to OTS over and over until you get in. I think the age cap is something like 34 years old. The wait times suck for civs, but don't really matter for enlisted since you're going to be working until you go to OTS anyways.

You won't get deployed for 4 years straight, but depending on the job you will probably get a deployment in your 4 years.

>>34760155
>And its the AF cause they do the least.
Hot meme. We just let you go home when the work is done, instead of making every stand around and pretend to work until the boss leaves.

>>34760109
It really depends on your career

>>34760175
>We just let you go home when the work is done
No you just have no work. The whole brach is a meme.

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>>34760215
You don't want to get paid to meme?

Anyone know anything about State Department Security Service?

>>34760327
like most federal agencies, they require a 4 year degree or be former law enforcement or military

>>34760348
Check and check.

>>34757564
Nigger what do you think is the FIRST thing that OPM will cross reference on an SF-86?

>>34749864
>Dont go AF. Go Navy.

This guy knows whats up.

Navy is going to have all the funnest toys always and forever. AF gets a superweapon now and then to make them feel oaky with being a seperate branch and makes them feel special and warm between the thighs. But really, Navy is going to get the funding for the bleeding edge shit that actually gets deployed. Enjoy yer railgun, enjoy yer stealth boats, enjoy yer vtol stealth multi-role monster fighter, enjoy yer singal interception, enjoy yer missiles, Navy is seriously like a whole armed forces conglomeration unto itself

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>>34760529
So much for nothing.

>>34749356
Been stuck in the enlistment process for the Coast Guard for months. MEPS keeps giving me the run around. The ol' "we need more paperwork" bit. I don't even have any serious medical conditions, they're just nitpicking the fuck out of my medical records. Plus, every time I submit a new set of documents, its a 2 week waiting period.

>>34760832
This is that butthurt AF shill. Also 1 single incident doesnt disprove anything.

Can a secret clearance find out about your medical records?

How do top secret clearances work? Do you decide whether you need/get one or are they given out of the blue for your job? Is it possible to get a job that requires a secret clearance and never need a ts for your military career?

>>34760376
a combination of the 2 makes for tier 1 applicants

>>34759817
>>34759775
Thanks for the heads up mango's. I just heard from someone(maybe it was Ricky Recon, which makes sense since he's RRC and lines up with your advice) in a thread that they have to do a polygraph and have a squeaky clean record so that had me doubting my chances.

>>34749978
Army finally adopted OPAT?
t. Ets

>>34760175
>Air Force spends all of their time saying that they're the smartest branch and that anyone who doesn't join them is inferior
>Marines spend all of their time saying that they're the toughest branch and that anyone who doesn't join them is inferior

You fucking homos are literally mirror images of one another and you don't even see it.

>>34761123
Yeah I failed the run when I did it a few days ago and timed myself today (pacing is in a Youtube vid) and passed. It's all about pacing and being able to turn around smoothly without losing too much momentum. Stupid fucking test.

>>34761091
If your job requires a specific clearance, you will get that specific clearance, it comes down to your need to know. Why would they spend more money on getting you a TS if you only need a secret?

You don't decide anything.

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>>34761197
Shoulda gave some guinea pig units some leeway to make their own MOS specific OPAT.
But then again, it makes too much sense.

>>34749978
>>34761123
>>34761197
>>34761226
Isnt this a good thing? Dont we want to keep the bums out? From what I understand the real reason it exists is to keep women out of infantry. Theres just so low of a chance they will pass the Deadlift portion. Which i persoanlly wish it was even tougher cause its still insanely light.

>>34760175
Too bad all the USAF recruiters are pretentious fucks so good luck getting one to talk to you

>>34761239
I mean, not really. You are talking about a 20 pound difference between going Infantry and doing the lightest POG work in the Army. The shuttle run, for example, only has a few shuttles in between qualification levels are you are doing around 40 reps, average. So my level was 40 and the one below was 38. If I can do 38, I can do 40.

It's basically the Army version of an IFT with extremely awkward and irrelevant events. 5 pound medicine ball throw. Yeah.

>>34761198
I read that some jobs that usually require a secret will have assignments that require a TS. Is it in the realm of possibility for someone with a S require a TS randomly out of the blue?

>>34761299
>You are talking about a 20 pound difference between going Infantry and doing the lightest POG work in the Army
really? I thought the gap was larger.

>>34761350
I think it went 140, 160, 180. My thing required a 160 and the guy in front of me had 180 on the bar so I just did that. Three reps and that's it. I would be shocked it this would prevent some shebeast from going infantry if she wanted it enough to even try doing it.

>>34761370
So that's 40, I'm fucking retarded sorry.

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I got committed to a mental hospital for a 72 hour hold about 3 years ago (21 years old now). Is it possible to join the army/marines? Which one would be more likely to accept me? How should I go about enlisting because I've read online that other people who were 5150'd got in by admitting they were 5150'd and others got in by not revealing it in their application. Any advice would be appreciated.

Also, less pertinent: how well would I get by being a quiet, nerdy, somewhat loner guy? I'm not a dick and I'm not full blown autistic, I just don't like socializing much especially with loud, boisterous, braggadocios type people. How worried are higher ups about semi-antisocial statements? If I admit that I mostly just want to join because my life is in the shitter, I lack discipline, and I want to gain military experience (killing people), would that be a red flag after I've already been accepted? Is there any way I can be assured of getting an active combat position? I really don't want to mop floors and guard armories and take inventory for 4+ years. I'd much rather be getting shot at.

>>34761448
>I got committed to a mental hospital

Nope

>>34761370
>>34761385
well that is laughably light but you gotta realize most women are insanely weak. Like its nuts the strength disparity between men and women.

>>34761448
>I just don't like socializing much especially with loud, boisterous, braggadocios type people
then why the fuck do you want to join the military? you're going to be stuck with them 24/7

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Anyone here headed to AF BMT on the 15th?

Dale did nothing wrong

>>34761464
So that's it then? From reading online I've seen a few cases where people are able to get in regardless. I'm guessing those are few and far in between.

>>34761507
>then why the fuck do you want to join the military?
Because I need some compulsory structure in my life in order to gain some semblance of self-discipline and order. Also because I want to gain field experience in modern combat. It's not necessarily that I want to kill people, but I want to have that skill set and hone it well so that I can use it when it's absolutely necessary like in the case of a civil war or a draft or WWIII, ect. Also I want to be an effective individual when faced with existential threat. I don't want to be that guy who freezes up when confronted with danger. I want to be able to do the most that I can with what I have without being impeded by fear and angst.

What I know about the military is mostly shaped by media (video games, movies, paintings, literature, music, memes, ect) and my conversations with veterans. Is there no place in the military for a quite person who mostly keeps to himself, but wants to do a good job and is adamant about being deployed in the most risky operations out of a slight, reserved contempt for living? It's not that I don't want to live it's more that I'd be content dying in combat fighting for something that feels meaningful, even if it's only meaningful in the moment.

>~~~

If it's still just a big fat "no", then what about joining foreign militias? I was looking into joining Dwehk Nawsha a year or two ago. They're a Christian Assyrian defense militia in Northern Iraq fighting ISIS. They have a lot of American and other Western veterans in their ranks. My main problem with that is that I'd have to pay for everything (multiple plane tickets, rifle, ammo, food, various other supplies, ect) and also not getting detained by Western or Iraqi authorities or getting snagged and beheaded once I leave the airport. Any advice on foreign militias?

>>34761669
I mean, go talk to a recruiter. Worse thing they can tell you is no. Nobody here can give you a concrete answer.

Airborne infantry sniper and more willing to answer questions about anything mil. Got quite a bit of random knowledge.

>>34761669

>What I know about the military is mostly shaped by media (video games, movies, paintings, literature, music, memes, ect) and my conversations with veterans. Is there no place in the military for a quite person who mostly keeps to himself, but wants to do a good job and is adamant about being deployed in the most risky operations out of a slight, reserved contempt for living?

There's tons of these guys in the military. They're called "edgelords" just like everywhere else. They're fucking worthless, despite the fantasies they had to the contrary.

The suicide rate in the military is so high in large part due to dudes like you who join because of what they saw on Cawwaduty and quickly realize it isn't nearly as glorious or fulfilling as they thought it'd be. It's meaningless, menial, and boring.

You'll join, spend about six months hating life as a janitor, then go AWOL or off yourself when you understand the simple fact that you're never going to be deployed and nobody respects your nihilistic worldview.

>>34761809
Man chill the fuck out. You're not completely wrong but you overexaggerate like a motherfucker.

The whole country is like that, the military is just a vacuum of all types of people with anger. And how that anger is channeled determines the quality of all characters within it.

You get shit leaders and peers with all sorts of shit personalities, but that just means you need to be resilient and push yourself into a room with like-minded or smarter individuals if what you want to do is offered by the military.

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The idea of physical fitness tests in military makes me feel winded.

I'm too hopeless for that shit

>>34761966

Nah, I can deal with people who have legit anger. Edgelords are useless fucks who think their teenage angst will somehow garner them respect when they display a reckless lack of self-regard. They off themselves in droves, and generally prove to be a drain on any unit they join.

I'll take someone who joined for the money any day over someone who is desperate to suicide-by-war and is going to be a little bitch when they realize that isn't how the real world works.

>>34761996
Sounds like a very POG experience. Most edgelords/stolen operavalors are POGs.

>>34758885
probably some kind of mobility thing

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>>34762009
>be POG
>time spent in was getting called a POG by grunts
>took it on the chin, kept up with my studies
>got my Bachelor's
>earned a commission
>all the people who used to call me a POG are now semi-close friends and tell me that they wish they had done what I did because they had literally 0 marketable skills when they returned to society

Play the long game. It pays off. Literally.

>>34762041
And then you woke up from this little fantasy and realized you spent your entire military career as a POG

>>34762041
Generally you're not wrong mate. But I've worked hard and been lucky and have reaped the benefits of being infantry.

>>34762057
>And then you woke up from this little fantasy and realized you spent your entire military career as someone who didn't waste his time on ruck marches and waiting for a war to break out

Here's a joke: how many grunts does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

Only one, but he has to wait until next week because he's already capped out on hours and his manager can't afford to pay him overtime.


>>34762071
Your mileage will always vary. Always. I will always tell everyone 100% of the time that if you're entering to sign up for the GI Bill, even if you have no wish to pursue higher education.

>>34760175
Does the long wait time for non mil bachelors holders apply to those who went through ROTC in college? Not too familiar with the process

>>34761511
Do weebs mainly join Air Force?

>>34762084

>I will always tell everyone 100% of the time that if you're entering to sign up for the GI Bill, even if you have no wish to pursue higher education.

The fuck are you talking about? You don't have to sign up for the Post-9/11, and it's much better than the MGIB without making you pay $1200.

Sounds like you're not very in touch with the current education benefits. Have you been out for like 15 years?

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>tfw 30 and feel like Im too damn old to join up and deal with all the 20 something shitheads in basic

>>34762118
Weebs are typically middle to upper-middle white men who are coddled by their mothers and spent their life being physically deficient.

So yes, Air Force is usually the way for them to go. Either that or National Guard.

>>34762127
17, actually.

>>34762130
>and deal with all the 20 something shitheads in basic
At least half your platoon are going to be 17-18. Especially if you go to boot in the summer.

Is there a way I can get therapy without it preventing me from getting a TS on down the line?

>>34761171
Isn't that the point?

>>34762105
ROTC commissions are near immediate after college, it's a totally different process than OTS.
If you're talking about just having a BS and also did ROTC in the past, no, it's not different. There's a ROTC track and the OTS track.

ROTC generally requires 3 or 2 years participation in the program, and then to be awarded a commission slot. Once you graduate college, you'll receive your commission and be 2nd LT.

OTS is for anyone who is commissions outside of ROTC/service academy. There are 2 OTS programs. One for normal line officers, and one for medical/legal, who usually commission straight as a 1st LT or Capt.

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Does anyone have any experience as a Marine Forward Observer or know any? I've read most of the stuff online I could find, but I trust info from here more because it's not bullshitted or sugar coated. Thanks.

>>34759288
>>34759207

I just want to weight in as a person who had to get a waiver for something pretty major. Born with Poland Syndrome, took like a 10 months to get a waive on account of lacking a pectoral muscle. You can get your waiver if you're persistent and your problem isn't degenerative or disabling.

Will Marine Reserves take someone with a GED?

>>34762423
USMC recruiter just told me TODAY that Marines are CURRENTLY accepting GEDS, at a rate of like 1-2 per year per station.
Get in that shit right now bitch and have your records in order to not bring up nasty bad things.
Sarge said even Reservist GED applicants are a thing right now.

>>34762249
How does ROTC work with wanting to be a pilot?

>>34761448
>guy who should not be in the military
the post

>>34761448
>I really don't want to mop floors and guard armories and take inventory for 4+ years. I'd much rather be getting shot at.
Well though shit, because the only people who get shot at are SOF and psychos cant get in. Going infantry in any branch will just have you cleaning for your entire contract

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>>34762858
>though shit

I read someone here saying that Recon doesn't do shit during peacetime.

Is that guy here?

He said he was EASing soon and was in a Recon battalion.

>>34761995
I went from literally never exercising in my life to running 2 miles in 15:30 within a few months. It's not that bad, anon. I still have a long way to go, but it starts to feel a lot more manageable once you make progress.

>>34762771
As far as I know, it doesn't. You put in your wishlist and pray you get accepted into aviation. Even then, you'll be flying less than a warrant.

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>>34758910

Jesus this guy is really serious

>>34761669
tl;dr

>>34761995
Its literally the mildest of discomfort

You've been running from mild inconveniences your entire life.

>>34764248

So how do you develop a mindset that doesnt shy away from discomfort?

>>34764532
You actively seek it

In Navy submarine school right now.

AMA

>>34749356
I need indepth information on 91j in the army. Quatermaster and Chemical Equipment Repairer

>tfw DQ'd from an airborne slot due to ear wax

>>34765125
Please elaborate.

>Reclassification?
How do it work anons?

>>34765154
I had impacted earwax so they couldn't look into my ears and they temporarily DQed me.

I need to go to MEPS again to finish the airborne physical.

>>34765261
oh, when I was at MEPS we joked around about stuff like that, but hey its only temporary

>>34765302
MEPS is weird. On the one hand I'm almost blind in one eye but the nurse said that I had a 20/20 in it. And then the doctors didn't even make me do any of the duck walk shit because I was the last guy to finish the ASVAB and they were too tired to care. But then I get DQed for earwax.

Is the chance of deployment the same in every branch?
What are the percentages? Like 25% Army and Marines, 10% for Navy, and like some 2 %or 5% for Air Force?

>>34765670
Depends on whether or not a war kicks off and what your MOS is. It's entirely up to chance. My friend and I were both in Mass Communication -- he was in a non deployable unit and I got deployed 3 times.

>>34765679
>he was in a non deployable unit
How does this even happen?
Are you valued more or do they just slap random stickers on people with it?

>>34765670
Army - 0%
Marines - 0%
Air Force - 5% (pilots only)
Navy - 5% (pilots only, unless you count sea duty as a deployment)

>>34765712
It's entirely luck of the draw.

>>34765719
>Army - 0%
>Marines - 0%
Are you meme'm me brah?
Why do you say 0%?
If anything smallest should be 1%? But even that seems too low.

>>34749615
I've talked to these guys awhile ago, I called them not too long ago and they told me they switched offices or some shit, and gave me another number. Called it later and no one picked up. I'm in Deerfield.

Thinking about just saying fuck it and join the Army.

>>34765754
You're right,
It is more like:
Army - 10% chance if you are SOF
Marines - 0%

Grunts have nowhere to deploy to

>>34765782
1st, please state you MOS.

2nd, please shut up

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2017/07/03/marine-unit-in-syria-using-highly-advanced-artillery-ammunition-video-shows/

>>34765765
>>34749615
We had a big discussion about this the other thread.
AF recruiters are dicks because so many are trying to join them.
You want in AF? You go to the office, don't call them, and bug them shit out of them pretty much.

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Which AFSCs have the least niggers? I want to find a job with a low "AYYYE MAYNE AYYYE MAYNE" index.

>>34765850
>Which AFSCs have the least niggers?
if this is your only concern, consider becoming a LEO

>>34765862
he just wants to avoid them not shoot them

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>>34765862
So what you are actually saying is, they are even in the supposedly "high intelligence" Air Force fields?

can I get a new discord invite

>>34765719
>>34765670
wtf are you idiots talking about? navy is damn near 100%. Ships deploy all the time.

>>34765892
Kek

>>34765850
>wants to be any the Air Force
>doesn't want to be surrounded by niggers

Go Navy, brah. Black people culturally do not teach their children to swim.

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>>34765850
>>34766075
>>34766178
>>34765862
??????????

>>34766525
>Air Force has the whitest officers
where did it all go wrong

I'm interested in the Army's WOFT program, should I see an officer recruiter or enlisted recruiter? [spoiler]Assuming they aren't one and the same[/spoiler]

>>34766525
>navy has the highest officer/enlisted white/nonwhite ratio

damn being a white officer in the navy must be like running a plantation

>>34766832
Most conventional enlisted are so dumb that all units are analogous to running a plantation.

>>34766832
>Navy
Navy enlisted is mostly filipinos. Same with the USMC, flips, whites, and Mexicans.

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>>34766849
The Filipino mafia is all seeing.

Navy and USMC have way less niggers than the other two branches.

>>34766641
Flight warrant officer?

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How do Army Rangers and Recon Marines differ?

What incentive is there to join one over the other?

>>34767141
There is no incentive to join either. You have to be a glutton for punishment who is doing it just to brag about it the rest of your life.

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>>34767197
Don't SEALs have a better network if you want to get into Ivy League schools and high tier corporate jobs?

So Army SF and USMC Raiders may be a better choice if you end up working jointly with SEALs.

>>34767383
you've read too much bullshit and have no real world experience

I'm embarrassed for you right now

>>34767383
lmao.

SOF """""""communities"""""""" are just fellating eachother on forums like Marines do when they get out.
SeaBees have an actual tightly knit community where they support eachother after they get out

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>>34767383
>So Army SF and USMC Raiders may be a better choice if you end up working jointly with SEALs

>this whole post in general

lmaoing @ ur life

>>34766978
Yes.

>>34768124
>>34766641
Bump for this

Anybody know a website for finding unit citations?
Apparently my brother got a PUC for something while in the 2/3 Marines in Helmand, not sure if there's a public citation for them like there are for medals of honor.

>>34768485
>>34766641
You mean becoming a helo pilot right? Ive seen that program spelled out on the army website, what does it say to do on there?

>>34758910
>>34758937
I'm about to run for you anon, just to keep my promise.

>>34765719
>Navy - 5% (pilots only, unless you count sea duty as a deployment)

First, you can't just write off 80% of the goddamn Navy's deployments because they're on sea and not on land. It's the Navy forchrissake

Second, besides aviation / subs / SWO (which ALL deploy), you also have SEALS, EOD, Seabees, and so on.

As long as you're not a restricted line officer or some really, really cushy rate (serious question, how often do MUs deploy?), you're probably going to deploy.

new thread plz

>>34769063
Its not auto-saging

>>34768935
I only did a mile, and my time was embarrassing.
I'll call today a practice day until I start for real on Monday/tuesday.

>>34769421
>I-I'll start for real tomorrow

Whatever you need to tell yourself fattie

>>34769494
Except I've never been fat. And I workout daily, I just don't run.
I can already easily pass the push up and sit up tests.

>>34769505
>b-but

Whatever fattie

Not sure how a slow run earlier today prevents you from running again

>>34769515
You just building me up by calling me fat. I've been trying to bulk up forever.

I usually take weekends off.
Also I started at the retarded time of 5:30pm when the sun is pretty much at it's peak

>>34769538
if I'm wrong why are you replying fattie? seems like I'm hitting at an insecurity

>>34769545
Because I thought we were having a nice conversation and it'd be rude of me to not reply back to you.

>>34769572
i'm not the original guy
fattie

>>34767197
Yeah 4 month deployments where you're staying in the SOF compound on the nicest FOB in Afghanistan going out at night to do missions sounds so much worse than a 13 months deployment staying in mud huts and patrol bases not ever doing any real shit. No reason to be a ranger at all. Also having a ranger tab and spending time in the most elite infantry unit in the military wouldn't help your career at all I feel out decided to go to another unit.

>>34769592
Jokes on you, I get off by being called fat. ;)

Fucking recruiters.

>Ay yo senpai I realize you said you don't wanna work in such and such industry anymore but have you considered the exact same job but we'll ride your ass even harder and you can't fuck the customers.

>>34769654
what?

Real talk why do they still use the Osprey when it seems to be extremely crash prone

>>34769654
New program to let college grads enlist as 31D which previously wasn't entry level

Go see recruiter

>Just enlist as something else and drop a CID packet in a few years, do it the traditional way, people will respect you more
>yeah no fucking thanks
>CID packet approved, shipping in a month
>thanks for the career advice assfuck

>>34768932
The websites list the prerequisites in full, but there's no mention of where to get the forms or who to see to start the process. There's also the fact that none of the hyperlinks on the USAREC page work.
http://www.usarec.army.mil/hq/warrant/prerequ/woft.shtml
https://m.goarmy.com/careers-and-jobs/current-and-prior-service/advance-your-career/warrant-officer/flight-warrant-officers.m.html

Can I join the US army if I've been on SSI NEETbux as long as I cancel it beforehand?

Also if I shoplifted when I was 12 will that disqualify me?

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>>34765125
lol I had to do the same shit for diver clearance. It's not too bad, at least you get some free food on .gov dime.
The doc they send you too should have some tools so it won't hurt like the waterpick did at MEPS.

>>34767141
One is in SOCOM, the other isn't.
One is deploying, the other isn't.
One makes you swim a lot, one doesn't.
Basically is you lie to swim and don't care about having good equipment or actually suing your skills, go Recon.
If you want good gear, are an average swimmer, and want to actually kill shit, go Rangers.

>>34749356
Realistically, about how much free time will I have while I'm in the military. Is it feasible for me to read and study a new language and things like that while I'm in or will I have to put that on hold?