Early 20th century handguns

>>34744251

C96. Be sure to get the Han Solo conversion kit.

>>34744251
>THAT WAS MY BEST HAT

>>34744251
Pretty much any of the Browning designs, 1900, 1903, 1908, etc.

The early revolvers from Colt or S&W would work for this, too.

Walther PP, if you don't mind .32 or .380. Although, those were from the late 20s early 30s.

>>34744251
>we're the rats

>>34744251
Colt 1908 .380 pocket hammerless, Colt Woodsman, S&W 22 (M1917) revolver, S&W 10 revolver,

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>>34744251
I guess to keep this going I could talk about the pistol I was thinking of getting.
I don't know, from what I've seen of it it looks good. But I haven't handled one myself so I have no idea what it's like, and I don't know if the maintenance would be a pain.
Anyone have experience with the Frommer Stop?

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>>34744553

>>34745176
I do like the action, but this still doesn't answer my other questions.
I just want to know how this gun is from someone who's either handled one, or currently owns one.

>>34744553
>>34745176
>they're not even expensive
Crap, I don't need another antique on my wish list.

>>34744251
colt model 10

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Anyone have a colt 1903 or 1908? Is it a good shooter?

Want to make sure before I add yet another caliber to my shopping list.

COFFEE

>>34745423
I have a 1903. It's a very gentle shooter since steel frame plus .32. Fits nice in the hand, still enough weight to let you know it's a gun.

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>>34744251
>>34744271
>LET'S DANCE AMIGO

>>34745998
Are replacement parts hard to find, and is it hard to service? I've heard that most of them were hand fitted and I intend on shooting it a lot.

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>>34745423
I love mine, but pretty snappy because .380. Would not suggest dry firing without snap caps because my firing pin snapped off. I had a spare slide to replace it, at least.

>>34745998
What this guy said, except imagine a snappier recoil

>>34745936
CHEETOS

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>>34745200
>>34745176
>>34744553
Glad my webm is still floating around.

I love my Frommer Stop, it's a very light pistol despite being full steel frame and the recoil is very light. Stripping it down is certainly a process and one must be careful since it involves pushing. I ended up slipping when pushing the bushing on the return rod and giving my Stop a nice large scratch down the side of the gun. Otherwise, the takedown process is pretty straight forward and easy to do once you get it down.

The extractor breaking seems to be a common issue, but I bought a newly made one with from Jack First Parts for $50. A bit expensive, but worth it.

The trigger is a bit heavy but crisp (maybe 5-6lb) but the reset is short and the grip safety doesn't take much to activate. I highly recommend owning one.

>>34745936
>>34746051
CHICKEN

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>>34746109
One thing I forgot to mention is that the sights are non-existent. Hard to see even with good light, but it'll shoot where you point it

>>34746109
>>34746138
One thing I wanted to ask about.
In the slow motion it looks like the bolt has a bit of hold up when it's chambering the next round.
Is that normal?

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>>34746181
Naw, the magazine well for the gun is very similar to other .32 handguns of the era. I actually have a Dreyse magazine in there that, while short enough to feed, is short enough that it takes a little more spring effort to feed. The action is happening in a fraction of a second and I've never encountered a failure that wasn't user induced

>>34746370
Thanks for the response, anon.
I guess another question I have is besides the extractor, is there anything I would need to be careful about on this handgun?

>>34746028
What did you pay for yours?

>>34746109
Jack First is expensive but good. I bought an internal hi power extractor for my inflis which cost more than some originals go for, but it was a perfect drop- in fit and fixed all my extraction problems.

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>>34746028
Private sale at a local gun show for $600 OTD about 3 years ago

>>34746455
Be careful of putting too much force on the parts when taking it apart and back together. They're built tough, but it has a lot of screw-like parts that can be stripped.

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>>34747043
>>34746455
Here is the Stop stripped. The guide rod has a small flathead portion that is pushed in using a slot in the barrel bushing. It's turned 90 degrees in any direction to detach it from the the bolt carrier, but it's possible to strip it since the fitting may have changed over time.

When pushing the guide rod down, make sure the bolt carrier is unable to move, but the guide rod is still free to be pushed inward to turn. There are a bunch of videos on YouTube.

I scratched my gun during this part because I am a poohead :(

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>>34746558
Very nice! I had to fit my Stop extractor, but I have no doubt it'll last longer than me thanks to modern metallurgy.

>>34747092
>>34746455
I guess another thing to look out for is to make sure it has a working ejector. I know another anon had one that broke and I have no idea who else would make one for the gun.

Parts are almost non-existent for this gun so just be careful.

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>>34747134
Also, duel weildan in BF1 just for fun

>>34747176
I know this is incredibly off topic to this.
But is that game any good? I don't mean in any historical sense, but in the fun sense.

>>34746024
Parts are fairly available. The thing I was scared about finding was a barrel (I have the type 2 so it's a little more rare) and it turns out there are small new production runs of them.

Basic stripping is dead easy since it's blowback. Detail stripping is not recommended.

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>>34747292
It's fun but it can be frustrating. It's a twitch shooter so treat it as such

Also fuckit I'll post the rest

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>>34747904
>>34746495
Also, I forgot to tag your post earlier. Picked it up on a private sale at a local gun show for $600 OTD

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>>34746181
Also, here's some footage at 1x speed

>>34748019
Oh yeah, you're right.
At full speed it's smooth as hell.

>>34747292
the game is fun but if you play alone it might lose your interest quicker than you think. Having at least 1 more person to tag team through discord will improve the experience a lot and if you add more people it will only get better.

It's a really fast paced shooter as the other anon said and it takes a bit to get used to it and not suck.

>>34745423
Should I get a Colt 1903 or a Walther PPK? I intend to shoot it a lot.

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>>34744251
.32 cal, 3" barrel, 5 shot, small, concealable. Black powder, 1897-1905 . Can be considered an ancient weapon. Ivers Johnson, 2nd largest pistol manufacturer at the time.

>>34744319
>we prey at night we stalk at night

>>34752392
Wait, there was a company who continued to make black powder revolvers into the early 20th century?
What was the marketing behind this? This seems very unusual to me. I mean was there a bunch of people who were nostalgic for "the good old days of black powder weapons" even back then?

>>34753994
Seriously!?!?

>>34754285
I really just don't see the reason for a person living in the late 19th/early 20th century wanting to own a black powder revolver besides for collection value.
Maybe as a cheap alternative to the more modern handguns at the time, but that's all I can come up with.

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>>34747904
>>34747885
>>34747874
those horrendous rear sights on the battlefield guns

>>34744553

Had one until recently. Neat guns but really delicate flowers. As other anons said, extractor issues.

I'm a fan of the Sauer 1913/1930/etc but those are increasing in price. Wish I still had mine as it was a rare Behorden/Police Model

>>34753994

Black powder shotgun shells were still manufactured until the 50's IIRC.

Many other black powder loads were being phased out by the 30's and WW2 ended a lot of other ones, because it would have been too costly to start up production again with the advances in smokeless.

Spain was selling and importing black powder pressure revolvers into the US until their Civil War.

>>34755920
I guess I was just unaware of this.
From most things I've read it always seems like smokeless powder was adopted really quickly, and black powder was dropped.
Do you have anymore info on black powder firearms after 1870? I'd love to learn more about this.

>>34755943
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtIGfX7MGTE

This video talks about the subject a bit

>>34756011
Okay I took a look. I didn't have much in there.
Anything else? Or anywhere I should look for more info on these black powder guns made after smokeless started to become common?

>>34744253
....anon I need to know if that's a real thing

>>34744251
Who is the midget in pic?

>>34756815
Not the other anon.
I haven't ever tried to source one.
But I know they are real.

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>>34756835
C o m p a c t

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Dueller prismatic
It fires a .45 acp
It's like a 1911 but it's a double barrel

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Anyone have any experience with the ortgies (especially in .25acp) or the Sauer 1913? I also happen to be wanting an old little pocket pistol since I think they're neat.

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fpbp

>>34758146

They're fine. Little overpriced nowadays imo but that's life.

>tfw remember getting all of these old pocket guns for like $100-150 max back in the day and now some of them are hitting 300-400+. Ortgies is fine and it's on the cheaper end of the spectrum price wise. A fun little gun.

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>>34756859

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Savage 1907

>>34759732
Can you give some info on this guy?
I looked it up online and all I know so far is this thing is cheap as fuck.

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>>34744251
Obrez'd ppsh transferable

>>34759909
*AVT with ppsh handguard, rather

>>34744251
I can't tell if that is alex or jerma...

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>>34756835
HE AIN'T 5'2"!

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>>34760164
You're right.
HE'S FIVE FOOT ONE.

>>34758146
I have a .32 Ortgies. Interesting pistol. Not a single screw in the thing.

>>34752463
>we're the rats

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Swedish M/07. FN or Husquavarna made copy of the 1903 in 9x20SR. After import converted to 380 by adding a 3mm long sleeve to the chamber. Accurate, reliable, can be had between $300-400 depending on condition.

>>34759880

They're solid handguns, as of now they're a bit underappreciated. I'm guessing that's gonna change due to youtube videos praising them. Get one while the price is low

>>34760596
IM THE GAINT RAT THAT MAKES ALL OF THE RULES.

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>>34759880
>>34759732
>>34761584
Confirm, would recommend

>>34744251
coffee, cheetos, chicken.

>>34761623
Let's see what kinda trouble we can get ourselves into.

Jerma appreciation thread.

>>34753994
Yes, you could remake the frame and cylinder with stronger materials and fire regular .32ACP or 32 Smith and Wesson.
I am battling my gun rights right now and am suing the government for my rights back.
So my friend loaned me this as a minimal defense weapon. I still want my Tomcat 3032 and 9mm back.

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>>34754285
The guns were cheap back then $6-10 and the novelty of them was that they had the safety bar and floating firing pin. Their marketing was to smack the hammer with a hammer and the gun would not fire.

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>>34753994
$7 in 1900 currency for a nickel plated revolver that still works 120 years later. Let's see your Glocknade or Hi-Point do that.

>>34762341
Id put cigarettes out on my dick before that ever happens.

I've shot a Beretta M1934 before and it was a nice gun, don't have much to compare it to, but very nice looking, feels very satisfying to remove and insert magazine, rack slide, operate safety, etc.

>>34762428
$6 a hundred years ago is not the same as today nigguh

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Make sure you wear a snazzy vest and part your hair.

Remington Model 51? Original

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>>34756011
Of course Ian has something to say about it.
The .22CB, .22lr, and .22 Magnum were black powder at one time when the cartridge was invented in the first place.
I am looking into making an electric fired harmonica gun one of these days.
No caps needed, powder can be made from scratch, lead balls and slugs can be made from tire weights with alloys. Or you can go high tech and make Bismuth/Copper slugs on a lathe I guess.

>>34755807
>Maybe as a cheap alternative
That's the reason. They were some of the cheapest guns you could get.

>>34762466
$6 back then would be the equivalent of like $160 today. That's the price of a Hi-Point.

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>>34752392

Load your gat sideways with a harmonica of various slugs. No limit to selecting AP, Incendiary, shot or slugs of various design. :}
One could make it out of modern materials and use smokeless.

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>>34755807
Pre 1900 black powder weapons are considered ancient and not legally a
"firearm" by the ATF. For those with a record or battling to get their rights back from a bullshit charge or under NICS appeal.
Concealed carry? yes, because they are not a "firearm". Travel in all 50 states? Because it is not a "firearm".

>>34762593
None of that shit mattered before 1968. It was all about cost and the fact that smokeless took a little while to spread through the civilian market.

>>34762593
Cannot legally cc an antique/black powder revolver in commiefornia.

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>>34755807
There are Third world countries that still use ancient guns for this very reason. Cost. It was heard that the Afghanistanis shot at Soviet troops during their invasion with a fucking blunderbuss sometimes in the 1980s.
Look up Khyber Pass gun history.
Cheap, scary, and sometimes downright dangerous.
I heard they refilled 1800s 8mm mauser rifle cartridges to the brim with celluoid film or black powder sometimes.

>>34762603
Good to know. I don't go there. Will throw a party when it slides into the Ocean or it splits up into 3 pieces.

>>34745176
Completely unrelated, but you can see tiny bits of ejecta in slo-mo.
Exacly why you need to wear eyepro

>>34762341
>Jerma appreciation thread.
Put this into the end of a twitch.tv clips url RudeSmilingKumquatDendiFace
77? way too much.
35? Just right.

God bless that compact little man.

>>34744251
IT'S OVER

>>34744251
Steyr-Hahn 1912 with a 9mm Luger conversion barrel from IGB.

>>34744251
Google does not assist, please tell me what video its from.

>>34747176
Now I understand why there's one faggot posting this piece of shit in every webm/pistols thread.
Stop at once, you console player.

>>34763151
It's the real life TF2 cases thing, I'll find it.

Here;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXses0_z8dE

>>34763396
dude jerma
the 2012 nostalgia

Why did so many handguns around this time try to have their own very specific ammo that was exclusive to them?

>>34766608
It was the turn of the century. A standard really wasn't established since smokeless, metallic cartridges were pretty new. Also, and most folks were trying to get those sweet, sweet government contracts. Those who win would set those caliber standards.

>>34766608
>Why did so many handguns around this time try to have their own very specific ammo that was exclusive to them?
thats like asking why an ipod has a dock connector. so they can make more money selling supporting products.

>>34766689
>>34766731
So why did stuff like 9mm, .45, and 32 acp stick around for so much longer?

>>34768847
are you simple or something? GOVERNMENT CONTRACTS

>>34744251
Savage pistols.

>>34753994
Black powder revolvers were made up until the 1950s because they were so popular, cheap to make and ammo was everywhere. They only really died out because that was when conceal carry was stopped in Europe.

>>34759880
The trigger pull is fairly heavy (7lbs or so). It also takes a lot of force to move the slide if the gun is not yet cocked (cocking with the spur before moving the slide helps).

>>34747292
I love it, gassing tommies has never been better. It is NOT historically accurate in terms of armament for general troops but it has so many cool obscure ww1 guns in it. That's why I like it, seeing the guns on screen and shooting them, using a chauchat or an mp18. I just love the aesthetic. Also the c4 analogue is fucking dynamite.
/k/ shits on it because it's a mainstream unrealistic twitch shooter but don't put to much weight in the opinions of fat weebs.

>>34770715
So is it worth buying if it goes on sale?
I'm very sorry for how off topic this is but I've wanted to know for a while now, and /v/ never gave a clear answer.

>>34771333
Yep.