HK USP9: overrated or worth it?

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>>34743515
I would have bought one if they updated the rail
but ye go for the usp with a match trigger over the p30

USP in anything but .45 ACP is dumb

>>34743515
I currently use one for EDC. I've shot over 1200rnds through it without cleaning it. Runs flawlessly. Factory mags work great. Dead nuts accurate.

Only complaints: the stipuling really digs into your hand after 200+ rounds in one sitting, doesn't like low powered ammo(don't use the cheapo aluminum cased federal ammo from wally's. It'll jam. It's under powered), and the grip is a bit wide for my small-medium hands (size 8 for gloves).

The mag release is pretty nice though.

>>34743515
>Is HK reliabilty and quality a meme or are they really as though as they claim?

They are reliable, but that's not the exact reason you buy an HK. HK's offer a paddle magazine release. Want a hammer fired gun with a paddle magazine release? Get an HK.

>>34743592
Forgot to clarify, I use a usp9 for EDC.

Also, unless it's priced around 650ish, buy a p30. Ergo's are a million times better.

Bought mine for 600

>>34743556
this. the thing is so fucking huge you may as well just go 45

>>34743515
The USP in .45 is everything I expected it to be, for what that's worth. If I got another in 9mm it would probably be the expert with a jet funnel but those mags are retarded expensive and I don't know if they make expert length threaded barrels. Kind of silly for me to buy a 9mm handgun I can't toss my suppressor on.

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>>34743515
The USP was a little bigger and heavier. But they have crazy round counts for their barrels. Still a good gun just a little heavy, trigger kind eh for me.
The P30 is a bit more ergonomic but its lighter. Never heard anything bad reliability wise. Trigger varies just like USP but again thats my opinion.
So really in the end you'll have to figure what's more important: Ergonomics, Balance, or Trigger. Also just go to stores and handle them in person, the fit of the gun in you hand mostly decides what gun works best for you, even if its not an HK.

I've had a VP9 for awhile now and only had one failure to eject but that was me limp wristing. Other than that it's been flawless.
Hope this helps.

>>34743652
Apparently H&Ks need a break in to work with lighter loads.

>>34743515
USP are bulky hi barrel axis guns, I have spider monkey large hands and I prefer sigp226 serie over USP

>>34743757
That could of been my FTE, i have been using cheap ammo.

>>34743781
How do they compare to a G19 grip?

>>34743515

Depends on your use.

The P30 or even the VP9 is in my opinion a much better choice for carry or duty because of the improved ergonomics.

If you want the USP because of muh vidya game/coolness then you want to get a USP Match or Expert. A plain jane USP-9 is not that interesting IMNSHO.

>>34743515
buy a vp9 strikerfired is the future, why learn 2 types of trigger if you can just learn one unless you want to carry it cocked and safety on

>>34744398
>why learn 2 types of trigger if you can just learn one
why learn to walk with both legs when you can hop with one?

>>34744294
really depends on your hand. Just finger fuck em at at you rlgs

>>34743820
Yeah, tight tolerances and stiff springs. Could probably manually cycle the action to some benefit, but one failure with cheap ammo isn't bad, I know Glock had the same issue with the gen 4 springs.

Has to be tricky to come up with a system that can reliably run weak and hot loads.

>>34743515

I have several HK's that I shoot pretty regulary
USP 40 (converted to LEM) (police trade in)
USP Compact (LEM) 40 (shut up, 40 used to be super bullet)
P2000 (LEM) 9mm
VP9 9mm

Honestly, they are all amazing guns. I've had Glocks and Sigs have the occasional hiccup, but I've never experienced a malfunction in any of my HK's, and the 40's and P2000 all have thousands of rounds through them.

I've used them in IDPA, USPSA, and attended a couple 1 and 2 day classes with them, and I don't have a bad thing to say about their performance.

VP9 is the least used, but so far so good.

I'm doing everything I can to resist a P30L that keeps whispering to me that it comes with 4 free extra mags right now.

>>34744466
It's like skipping for 5 steps and then sprinting (DA/SA) vs just sprinting (striker)

>>34745706

also

HK has a 4 free extra mags until 9/1/17 if you a buy a VP9 or P30. HK mags are stupidly expensive, so $160-ish in mags would push me toward one of those.

>>34743624
you realize the .45 usp is literally a larger frame than the others

>>34743556
It was made for .40 and it is the first gun designed around .40 from the get go.

>>34743515
If you want an HK in 9mm go with the p30L or P2000.

>>34743757
Only the USP is like that. The others use lighter slides, and the VP9 doesn't even have a buffer.

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>>34745747
They are all the same width though.

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>>34743515
My super old Glock mags work fine, my slightly newer USP mags don't lock the slide and produce malfunctions at a crazy rate.

Also steel/aluminum case ammo gets stuck or destroyed. I don't plan to shoot cheap stuff but it's frustrating knowing that a huge portion of off-the-shelf ammo can't be trusted. So my glock is my dependable-buddy.

And using a silencer means you need a whole new recoil spring set, whereas glocks just need a barrel swap.

Can't beat the aesthetic tho.

>>34745899
Are they promags?

The USP is best in .45 desu
I prefer the P30 & VP9 for 9mm over the USP 9
The ergos on the P30/VP9 help with 9mm recoil control better than the USPs double recoil spring
If you really like DA/SA, the USP has a much better DA pull than the P30
My USP 9 & 45 have both stovepiped while limp wristing
never had a problem with a firm, strong grip tho

>>34745762
>It was made for .40 and it is the first gun designed around .40 from the get go.

that's because .40 was the hot new meme round at the time. there's a reason literally everyone moved away from it as well.

>>34743515
Its probably not worth the price.
i have one and it was my favorite for a while, its got amazing ergos, but i probably could've finger fucked cheaper 9mms and found one i liked better.

but if I'm financially prosperous I'm keeping it and probably buying a threaded barrel and better trigger. if not i could sell it and shoot my other funs for a couple months

>>34745926
HK factory mags, the ones in the pic. Springs wore down over the years, faster than old mags for my other guns

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I like my usp, i had a small hiccup with one old magazine, otherwise it's great.
>usp is only good in the caliber that it's is in my favorite video game

these people are trash, don't listen to them op

>>34745941
>there's a reason literally everyone moved away from it as well.

There's lots of reasons

>modern men are weaker and prefer easy mode versus overcoming challenge
>most Law Enforcement and Military are swamped with nogunz women and minorities that need small guns with weak bullets
>C.O.D. turned the American shooter who loved his 44 magnum into spay and pray bullet hose who thinks magdumping is a skill
>easily duped shooters think there is magic technology that only makes 9mm better, but doesn't apply to every other bullet
>21st century children think 0.02 cents more per round is expensive while they beg to let Verizon let them pay for their iphone 7 on an installment plan.

plenty of good reasons to dislike a bigger bullet that punches deeper, snaps bones, cuts through auto glass, while barely affecting recoil or capacity, because, hey, maybe that 17th round will do the trick.

>>34746022
Take your soon to be extinct caliber and shoo, this is a non-pleb thread

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>Going for USP.
>When you could get a KM .45 Tactical, the same thing as a USP .45 Tactical, with supressor for $500.

>>34746132

Well, the one thing more fragile than a millennial's wrists...their feelings.

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>>34746022

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>>34743652
>>34743757
My slide on my VP9 wouldnt lock back after the final round. I thought it needed a break in period but i figured out my strong hand thumb was resting on the slide release. I adjusted my thumb placement and works fine now.

>>34746275
nice

>>34746286
Also, being ambi is what drove me more to HK than other companies.

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>tfw they will NEVER EVER sell the OG P8 to civilians
why even gun

What does the USP do better than the alternatives to justify the higher cost of ownership? It has 1.5x the MSRP of its competitors, extremely expensive magazines, a very limited (and thus expensive) aftermarket, and it has a bad out-of-box DA/SA trigger if you did not buy one with the match trigger kit installed (remember that the Tactical only comes with the match hammer and not the rest of the parts).

>inb4 muh indestructibility

Your average gun owner is unlikely to put more than a few thousand rounds through his gun in 30 years, which means the USP's famed durability does them no good.

Competition shooters are better served with an SAO or striker-fired gun unless they're master class DA/SA shooters. Are there any big names in competition who use the USP?

It seems like the only kind of people who would really benefit from owning a USP are people whose interest in guns stems from movies and video games and people whose interest in the USP is mostly centered around posting pictures of it online rather than actually shooting it.

Bought a P30L and that shit is cash.

>Is HK reliabilty and quality a meme

Yes, just like the whole German engineering bullshit. Applies to Switzerland as well.

It's time for people to finally stop believing that a manufactured product is better than any other just because it happens to be made in a certain country. It's time to understand that a product being pricy as fuck doesn't mean it's better than a cheaper one, only that the company makes larger margins.

Used to have a 45 version, does the 9 also come with the double recoil spring? Because that was one of the softest shooting 45s I've ever used.

>>34746922
Except you'd realize that it is sometimes true if you've seen any Chinese plants and the shit they make.

>>34743515
For me, the HK reliability is real. I have about 3000 rounds through my P30 and I've only had one FTF. The ammo was WWB and there was a solid primer strike so I really blame the ammo more than the gun.

>>34746022
.40fag denial is deep

>overcoming challenge

More challenging, more costly, lesser capacity, more wear to the firearms components and barrel, with no discernible reward, other than your e-peen mallninja attitude stroking.

>most Law Enforcement and Military are swamped with nogunz women and minorities that need small guns with weak bullets

Pretty much your first point, and now you are throwing minorities in for some reason? Also guns chambered in .40 or 9mm usually use the same, or similar frames. Why are you talking about smaller handguns? You also point at women and smaller shooters as to the reason it is being phased out, when those specific people are the reason 10mm became .40 in the first fucking place.

>C.O.D. turned the American shooter who loved his 44 magnum into spay and pray bullet hose who thinks magdumping is a skill

Blaming video games? The fuck? Do those new fangled vidya games cause mass shootings anon? Also I thought it was the '86 Miami shoot out that made law enforcement want semi autos? Call of Duty came along well after.

>easily duped shooters think there is magic technology that only makes 9mm better, but doesn't apply to every other bullet

Ironic coming from you
.40fag thinking he has a magic bullet, that causes wounds similar to a rifle round, or some dumb jack of all trades shit, while accusing others of the similar delusional thinking.

>21st century children think 0.02 cents more per round is expensive while they beg to let Verizon let them pay for their iphone 7 on an installment plan

Once again, you aren't gaining anything. So why pay more for your clown caliber? Also how old are you, you seem to be hateful of younger people, women, and minorities.

.40, not even once.

>>34746769
I think everyone gets that though. USPs are just hecking cool. I wouldn't buy a classic car to go street racing.

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Why do USPs have this aftermarket grip sleeve so often? I rarely see it on other guns

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>>34746769
I want a USP because of it's battle proven track record, not because it is in gook toons I swear.

>>34743515
HK's are proven to be durable and reliable under extreme conditions. They are still prone to a variety of malfunctions under different conditions, though. For example, they are susceptible to limpwristing, which comes into play simply because the grips are so huge, especially on the USP45, that a huge number of people will have difficulty gripping the gun properly after extended shooting conditions. Also, as others have alluded to, they tend not to "like" underpowered ammo, although that comes into play more for when the guns are fairly new and not yet broken in.

>>34747637
The USP ergonomics are a funny thing. The grip is too big for people with medium and small hards, but the trigger reach is too short and the grip too short up and down for people with XL and larger hands. The grip sleeve increases purchase on the grip for people with larger hands.

>>34746187
Lol if anything .40 is the millennial of calibers, if you were a babyboomer you'd be wetting your adult diaper over 45s and 1911s

How comparable durability wise are the USP compact and P2000? I'd like a USP but $800 is too much. The P2000 is essentially just a modernized usp with better ergos and cheaper ugly parts like the ambi slide stop, right?

>>34744466
Bad analogy since hopping in this case is faster and more intuitive than walking.

>>34743624
9mm is the same size/dimension as a g19 dum dum

>>34746769

The USP was on the cover of Rainbow Six and the other guns were not.

>>34747460
.40fags are bitter that virtually everyone has dropped their shitty cartridge. It'll probably go boutique in 10 years.

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>>34748104
It's built much thinner to make it able to compete with similarly sized glocks, but will be far weaker and less durable.

>>34743515
I think the USP is a little too big for 9mm so I got a 9mm Compact
I have a full size .40 that I want to convert to 10mm
And Im gonna get a .45 tactical if HPA ever passes

>>34748124
I have a usp9 and a glock 19. The usp is absolutely bigger. It's a full size service pistol with a tall slide.

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>>34748367
USP Compact is a little smaller than a G19

>>34743515
overrated, give me a p30 or vp9 any day

>>34748253
Wormholes exist.

>>34748425
kek no it's not

>>34746022
maybe it's because "FBI says they were wrong and like 9mm more because it doesn't fucking matter". But, I could be just full of shit.

>>34748015
That makes sense.

I have small hands, but I'm going to experiment with that gripsleeve because the backstrap checkering is eating into me. Wish they would have given the side panels a mild texture instead.

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>>34745842
What about VP9 with threaded barrel? Also heard new VP9s use a VP40 recoil spring, which sounds like it wouldn't like light loads.

I wanted to put a comp on a VP9 tactical but I'm worried it wouldn't shoot much ammo reliably.

But I really do love the aesthetic and the concept. Plus since the night sights are standard height a comp makes sense.

>>34748425
you mean the slide is a little shorter. the usp is thick as fuck compared to a glock, not to mention heavier.

>>34743515
>have USP9 expert
>14,334 rounds through it
>tens of thousands of dryfires
>haven't cleaned it in 6k rounds

Some dog leg looking part in the trigger mechanism broke and I had to replace it, gun was running fine with the broken pin, only discovered it after a detail strip. The trigger adjustment screw on the match trigger has a habit of rocking itself out every couple thousand rounds and causing misfires, other than that the gun's never failed on me mechanically.

Did I mention I decided to only use 2 magazines for the entire 14k rounds. The mag springs got worn enough that the slide stopped locking back at around 4k rounds, but other than that I've had 0 failures, each mag has ~7k on it now, still on the original springs.

I've drawn and reholstered it tens of thousands of times, very minimal holster wear. The finish on the slide stop and sights is starting to get worn off because of my grip and racking the slide.


10/10 I liked it so much I bought another one.

>>34749493
If you do constant dryfire practice involving quick drawing from holster the cheese grater grips will give you some pretty nifty calluses. If you don't lotion up after practice after about a week, the skin on your hands will start cracking. Hands don't like that constant damage.

>>34749514
>>34747637

>>34746275
what website is this?

>>34749570
>https://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com/

>>34749570
>>34749602
more specific link
>https://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com/category.cfm/sportsman/used-firearms

>>34748253
>One retard spic us border patrol blows up his p2k
ALL P2000s are shit!

>>34749602
>>34749622
lot of used sigs should i pick one up you think?

>>34749796
the point of the pic is that
1) .40 is being flushed from armories like a giant turd, and
2) even at heavy discounts, civilians aren't buying the used trade-ins either

>>34749975
>i... all... i... bu-... but, anon... i... ugh... i... jus' wanted a .45 p226 from germany... why... .40 has to be ok... right?

;______________________;

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>>34746769
>he doesn't want to run around pretending to be Tom Cruise in Collateral
get a load of this faggot

>>34748829
No one know if it'll work?

>>34750240
you would probably need a lighter spring

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>>34743515
>Is HK reliabilty and quality a meme

nowhere near meme status

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>>34746769
What the shit are you talking about bad trigger? Yeah the DA is heavy but the SA is so smooth and easy to shoot with, and the all the match trigger does is take off a pound from an already perfectly serviceable trigger pull

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>>34750128
No lie. If I spot another LE trade-in USP45, I'm snatching it up, buy an assload of .45, dry practice a metric shit ton with it, maybe even carry it and shoot it in competition dressed like Vincent.

I will do everything from the 1.3 second Mozambique, the way he grabbed his gun and shot from supine, everything.

And I will record all of this.

>>34750291
That sucks.

All I can find is older VP9 spring assemblies) before the VP40 upgrade.

It's almost 50 bucks (plus shipping) and probably wouldn't even be light enough.

>>34750444
I am sure there are aftermarket guide rods out there then you can just drop in whatever spring you want

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>>34743515
I've shot many, many types of pistols and owned everything from Colt 1911s to Smith J/k Frames, Glocks, Rugers, and my HK USP .40 police trade in was easily the best pistol I've ever had. It was used as fuck and ran anything and everything all day and everyday, I never had a jam carried it, used it in competition you name it. I traded it in a dirtbike trade years ago and I've wanted another one ever since. They're top tier handguns, built like tanks no meme or shill shit at all

>>34750462
So it's the rod that matters, less so the spring?

My usp9 has been a piece of shit, but I don't think my experience has been typical. I do think they're a bit overrated though.

>>34750486
How many rounds, did you start with hot ammo?

usually this is the problem, the guns are spec'd for 124 NATO rounds, it's in your manual, it won't like soft stuff for a few thousand rounds

>>34750480
No I mean once you have a non captive guide rod it makes switching springs very easy

ignoring this, what comp even fits the vp9 thread pattern?

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>mfw the last LEM grey market USP compact for like $600 sold out as I was putting in my contact info

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>>34750712
bro, that's fucking tragic.

That said it's an "odd ball" gun more than a shooter's gun, the ambi safety + LEM and then the shit, shit degrading reseller rollmark carved into it, well maybe you were spare pain if this would have been your first HK.

>>34750738
I am handicapped so the left handed controls would have been useful. I could probably look at the p2000, but half the appeal of USP for me is the looks.

I've had really bad luck with pistols going out of stock for quite a while.

At this point I don't know what I'll get, for a while I was thinking a metal framed CZ for more traditional appeals, but I might get a P-07 because of the price compared to P-01's and the increased practicality.

Or I might just give up and get a GLAWK. In the unlikely event of HPA passing I'd get a P-09 urban grey since if I squint hard enough I might be able to pretend I have a mk23.

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>>34750738
>PW ARMS
Shame about that.
I bought this guy specifically for the rollmark.

>>34746972
Except you'd realize that Norinco made nicer 1911's and M1A's than many US manufacturers, let alone AKs.

>>34751242
Yeah, but Chinks eat dogs. Imagine how many dogs died so you could have a cheap 1911.

>>34751276
Ok, so don't buy them? No reason to shove your nanny state BS on everyone else.

>>34751342
What?

>>34751349
The import bans came from people like you.

>>34751276
>well if you ever saw Chinese production you know it's 100% shit
>yeah well even though I cede your point that they can consistently make high quality weaponry in state ran factories that are totally different from their commercial sector it doesn't mean that they don't eat dogs

Just say the line, shill.

>>34750599
HKparts has a microcomp just for it. And a frame mounted comp.

>>34751375
They came from neocons eating away at rights wherever they could fit their slimy mouths around to get a bite. Its a global agenda, and people like us are the reason progress has been so slow in America.

>>34750399
Make sure to do modifed weaver for maximum cosplay

>>34750883
Get what you want. Never settle.

May I suggest a VP9? As a lefty I love it.

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>>34750399
>deriving your identity from imitating the fictional creations of other people

Just be yourself, senpai.

>>34746022
but magdumping is a skill Grandpa

>>34751342

Norinco weapons were banned because they tried to fucking sell RPGs and other arms to LA gangs you stupid queer.

It may be hard for your autistic mind to comprehend, but a dislike of foreign agents, especially one that's tied directly to a foreign government, attempting to sell criminals powerful weapons (possibly so they can destabilize your country for their own ends) overrides getting cheap civilian guns of decent quality.

>>34748425

How tall is it w/o the finger extension compared to the 19?

>>34745941
Yeah because the FBI has bitchwrists and you dumbfucks can't read between the lines and just blindly follow whatever other people say.

>>34746132
If you own HKs you probably own .40s so you fuck off manlet bitch.

>>34748425
They are basically the same size. The USP is just a little taller. The Glock has a slightly longer sight radius. The USP is a few ounces heavier.

>>34749410
>the usp is thick as fuck compared to a glock
This is fuddlore spread by people who own neither gun. They are the same width through the widest part, which is the grip. Stop spreading misinformation.

>>34748253
That happened because it was designed to happen in order to protect the shooter. Just don't wreck your fucking quad.

>>34752817
Didn't our own government supply full auto weapons to Mexican cartels?

>>34747460
>More challenging, more costly, lesser capacity, more wear to the firearms components and barrel, with no discernible reward, other than your e-peen mallninja attitude stroking.

This is an HK thread. If this applies to you then you shouldn't be here.

>Pretty much your first point, and now you are throwing minorities in for some reason?

Yes reddit fag, many minorities suck at shooting because they are afraid of guns.

>
Blaming video games? The fuck? Do those new fangled vidya games cause mass shootings anon?

You sound like a bitter weak minded little bitch when you completely misrepresent someones point like that. His point is that people under value marksmenship, and judging by the way other young people shoot at the range these days(I am 29) there is truth to his statement.

>Also I thought it was the '86 Miami shoot out that made law enforcement want semi autos? Call of Duty came along well after.

Still completely lost, but this is what happens when your college education makes it so you need someone else to think for you.

>.40fag thinking he has a magic bullet, that causes wounds similar to a rifle round, or some dumb jack of all trades shit, while accusing others of the similar delusional thinking.

He never said this was the case. Stop assuming things about people.

>Once again, you aren't gaining anything. So why pay more for your clown caliber?

You pay more to get superior performance through barriers.

>>34748015
The grip is designed for people with palms bigger than their fingers for some reason. I am one of those people so like the grip many people don't like it.

>>34748076
Its the Gen X of calibers. Read a book buckaroo.

>>34753019
>Falling on your gun should be enough to crack it in half.

lol?

>>34750477
Whats the point of this pic.

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>>34747460
>stop hating minoritiez and wimminz

Fuck off back to leftypol you stupid marxist fuck. 9mm is for faggot nu-males and leftists. .40 makes a bigger hole, this is a fact.

>>34753043
I remember when I finally sold my USP9. I have pretty small hands and the guy buying it from me had pretty large hands. Neither of us really liked the way it fit in our hands, although I convinced the guy to buy it anyway by just pointing out that he could sell it for the same as he was buying it for, if after he shot it, he still didn't like it. A few days later, I saw the same gun up for sale on Armslist, so I guess he hated it too.

>>34753019
He didn't fall on it, he was flung off of his quad so he had momentum.

>>34753085
>>34753051
replied to the wrong post.

>>34753064
Yeah, like I said its about the shape of your hand, not just the size of it.

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>>34746022

9fags BTFO.
If calibers were memes, 9 is the virgin and .40 is Based Chad.
Stay cucked, bucked, and fucked on Queer Street, ninemos.

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Did someone say barrier penetration

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>>34746769
Reasons why I want a USP
>I'm an H&K fanboy
>USP/MK.23 is muh favorite pistol to use in vidya
>Had an airsoft one in high school and really liked the ergos
>I can't find a mk.23
>A E S T H E T I C

>>34753054
It's Vito from Sopranos. It's a /tv/ meme

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>>34750399
>tfw I found a usp .45 tactical for $600 in a pawn shop but I was too broke to snag it.

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>>34746502
They do, at least in germanistan

>>34753035
Who haven't we supplied weapons to at one point or another?

>>34747460

This level of triggered.

Holy shit.

If you are going to dissect a post, could you at least make valid points beyond screaming racist/sexist/ageist? This isn't tumblr.

You didn't refute a single point, and that was pretty obviously troll post

>>34746275

>go to search
>type in 40s&w
>multiple adds from same stash
>all those DAKs
>take screen shot

This is cherry picking at it's finest.

>>34753050
Millennial caliber is 9mm because muh shitty economy and college debt.

>>34748511

>please Mr. government, tell me what to do
>thinking the FBI isn't a bunch of lawyers, accountants, and electronic eavesdroppers.
>Seems to think that Federal Government hasn't been pushing women and small stature men (asians/hispanics) in the name of lefty diversity
>i bet he loves aft kills dogs memes, while suckling FBI balls because they agree with him
>not posting actual tests and data the FBI used to move to 9mm, which don't exist.

>>34755207
Yeah, i was saying that .40 is the Gen X caliber.

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>>34755191
Already linked >>34749622, and why would the .45s show up if the search was for .40s.

>>34753008
>pic

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>>34746922
Preach brother

Every time I've shot a USP 45 I've been annoyed by how huge the gun is. It feels like it was made for people who have hands 2 standard deviations above the mean size.

Does the 9mm version feel significantly better?

CDNN has been advertising the hell out of the HKs as of late. The deals are hard to pass up. My only concern would be spare parts. Things break when used. I like the option of having a second chance at a hard primer. Shit I just talked myself into buying one. It is an HK after all.

>>34758614
The grip is a little smaller and the trigger reach a little shorter, but it still feels pretty big to my hand. On the other hand, the USP Compact (9 and 40) grip feels a little small to me. Very weird ergonomics.

>>34758682
hkparts.net

>>34751713
I looked at the vp9 a few months ago and liked it more than the ppq, mostly because of the paddle (the ppq was a m2) and aesthetics.

I don't really feel much towards striker guns, I feel like if I get one I'll just give into market pressure and get a glock because of mags and such. However, if I could find a P99 I'd buy one, but good fucking luck finding one.

I'll try to find a p07 in store at some point to see if I actually like it.

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No. 1 reason anyone ever buys a USP.
Try to deny it, go ahead.

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>>34759644
Mmmm.

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>>34755272

>>34753085
Flung off it so hard that he didn't suffer any broken bones and was only treated for cuts and scrapes.

>>34751223
well hawt diggity damn. i love the barrett fellas but fuck murfreesboro. damn i'd be really split on that if i got it

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Yeah I like the USP. The price difference between one and a competing gun isn't huge considering I shoot the guns value in ammo every few months.

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Love my USP's. I don't know how many rounds are through them at this point, but its well over 10k a piece.

>>34760276
Prefer the VP9 grip and ergos personally. But aesthetics goes to USP.