Hunting

I have never been hunting but I probably own more guns than the average poster

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>>34733180
I don't believe you OP, if any of what you said was true. You would just show up with a gun or ask a family member instead of coming to a finger painting board.

>>34733180
I've killed elk with:
>.270
>7mm-08
>6.5CM
>.348win
>.30-40 Krag
>.38-55
>.45-70
>.405win
>.300wm
>2 separate trucks
>a 45lb recurve bow
>a 60lb compound bow
They're big deer, they're not armored monsters. A 7 mag would work just fine, assuming you buy a controlled expansion load, but it is by no means mandatory.

>>34733180
What caliber rifles do you already own?

>>34733244
No hunting calibers unfortunately , I have to buy my own hunting rifle for future uses.

>>34733244
223, 7.62x54r, 22lr, 22mag.

>>34733229

This. It depends on the range you expect to shoot if you want something super ideal but any of those work. I really like 300WM, I'm in the process of building one for this year off a Remington 700 receiver I hope to take "ethical" out to 800 yard shots with but my dad uses a 7mm.

This might make 7mm sound bad but I feel like sharing his last hunt. The last elk he shot took 3 to the heart/lungs at ~300 yards. It just stood, locked up, while he drove each one in before falling over dead as he loaded the 4th round. Realistically, it was a dead elk after the first round but he didn't know for sure if he hit it since it didn't go down. Him and my older brother have made plenty of 1 shot kills with a single round, it was just an oddball

Going hunting in october for the first time. City dweller so i don't know anything. Gonna be in NW GA. Anything i need to know? Scent control, noise control, ect? I have a rifle already.

Eye shots with .17 HMR from 150 yards.

Real men use a 45# recurve bow from 15 yards, though.

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>>34733180
500-odd lb bull moose
Using a ruger m77 with a hogue overmold stock chambered in .300wm with a vortex 4-12x55mm

>>34733330
Yep. Game animals are weird about that at times.
>insert story of whitetail doe wheelbarrowing herself a half mile with no heart/lungs/aorta/vena cava and blown out front shoulders

Also I'm leery of the faster 7mm's, a lot of the factory ammo has bullets built too light for elk. I've watched 2 people splash 7mm bullets against elk shoulder blades and never touch vitals at fairly close ranges because they were shooting cheapo 130gr ammo (both were shooting Core Lokts) instead of a good, proven bonded softpoint

>>34733403
I'm assuming deer hunting?
Scent control is nice but usually not necessary for rifle hunters if they know what they're doing. Always ALWAYS be quiet. Will you be treestand hunting, sitting a field edge, or stalking? I can only imagine GA would be shit for stalking.

>>34733180
fuck off fudd, you dont understand the point of the 2A

>>34733432
Plan on stalking on public land.

>>34733461
>stalking
>public land
>Georgia
hoo boy, you're in for some work.

Okay. Scent control is gonna be in your best interest. Mind the wind direction, try to stalk into the wind, or at least across it. Never with it. Go slow, pause and look often Take binoculars. Wear as much orange as you can, since it's public land and you'll be moving, you don't wanna get blasted by someone else.

I want a suppressed lightweight rifle in a caliber that can take elk so probably .308?

>>34733502
Thanks pham. Stupid question: does my rifle need to be camo?

>>34733503
Pretty much everything .243 and up can take elk at modest ranges. .308 would be a good choice, there's a lot of very excellent 165gr loads out that would be good for elk.

>>34733244
>>34733267
>>34733210

>>34733519
No. It might, maybe, kinda-sorta help in certain situations but I've killed a LOT of big-game animals with wood-and-high-polish-blued rifles.

>>34733267
Buy something you can afford to practice with regularly.

>>34733278
7.62x54r for Elk and deer and .223 for deer.

>>34733530
My rifle is black/stainless. I didn't think it would be a problem but I wanted an experienced opinion.

So any of you guys use iron sights to hunt or just optics only?

>>34733229
What 38-55 do you have?

>>34733615
I use a mix of both. I like hunting with antique rifles, which necessitate irons.

>>34733633
I've got an 1894, an 1885 highwall, and and a repro 1885 highwall target model made by Miroku in it. I've killed elk with both the antique rifles.

>>34733615
Coyotes and deer 150 yards and closer and generally in brush I use open sights on my .243.

>>34733666
Theyre just so sexy, i have an original 1894 model made in i believe 1901 that has never been fired. Couple little scratches on it is all and some marks on the finish from wiping it down

>>34733742
I prefer the round bottomed levergats like the '86, '92, '71, and '65 but yeah leverguns in general are sweet.

Also, a '92 or '65 in .25-20 is great for blowing up groundhogs and woodchucks.

anyone use milsurp for deer hunting? I feel like a mosin 91/30 would be too long to use in the woods of Northern MI, and the 7.62x39 of the sks might be too light of a load?

Also, anyone own a mossberg patriot?

>>34733802
If you get proper hunting loads for the SKS, it performs just fine. I recommend Hornady SSTs. My brother uses them in my SKS every year and it drops deer if you hit them in the chest.

>>34733582

Deer are colorblind but can see glare. Most stainless doesn't reflect enough to be a problem. If you want to get autistic about it, animals notice straight lines more than anything, especially if they move. Next would be if your stock is a very different shade than your surroundings like if you're in the sun and your stock is jet black. You can wrap it with something to break up the lines but don't put anything on the barrel if you want to shoot longer ranges it chances changing POI. I don't care enough to cover mine and have never had a problem.

>>34733802


Maybe not convenient but doable. If you're in the woods you're probably not stalking but sitting in a blind or tree stand because it's too noisy to move and if you do see something your close enough for them to definitely see you first. Set up near a deer trail two weeks ahead of time (near water routes are great), clear out just enough vegetation to make shots on it without exposing yourself, get there at 5-6am and wait until noon. If you dont get something, pack up, eat at home, go to a different spot you prepared and stay until sundown. Deer dont move in the afternoon and that's why you don't waste your time waiting.

>>34733403

I don't honestly know the terrain you're dealing with but if you're in dense woods, don't waste your time stalking during the season but maybe do so ahead of time. Elk guy seems very knowledgeable but probably didn't mention it because he lives in a more open state and isn't used to dense woods.

Another thing people who don't hunt seem to have a problem with is movements. While waiting, regardless of wether there's an animal in front of you or not, scan back and forth very slowly, zero fast movements. Anything fast is unnatural and if they see it they'll avoid you even if they only caught a glimpse of it from a distance with no apparent body. Also, walk to your spots slowly and quietly. Do not step on sticks, do not break sticks in trees, and park a good distance away.

>>34733180
7mm or .270.

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>>34733180
You can't beat 45-70, id think 30-30 would be under powered but it's still a fantastic hunting round. It for sure has been used to take down elk, just think 45-70 is going to be better. Pic related could never take an elk.

>>34733180
Obligatory post: Unless you're buying a magnum cartridge for external performance, you're wasting your money.
I've taken moose with .308. A friend has taken a monster bull caribou with a .270.

Terminal ballistic performance means shit if you gut shot the critter.

>>34734091
Have you ever tried? You might be surprised.

>>34734091
60-75gr monolithic copper hollowpoints from a 20" barrel and keeping shots under 150 yards I'd trust .223/5.56 on elk man.

Not legal in my state or Id have tried.

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>>34734124
That's fair, I haven't tried. I'm not sure I trust my ability to make a humane shot on an elk with .223/5.56. Where do you live where it isn't legal?

>>34734097
Right, I dont need anything in a high cost caliber just a fudd gun that will drop something elk sized at range if needed.

>>34734147
Wyoming. Elk, bear, and Shiras moose require minimum bore diameter of 6mm/.242" and bison require minimum caliber of .300wm

>>34734165
Shitty, but I can see Fish and Game's reasoning, given how terrible most fudds are when it comes to actually pulling the trigger.

>>34734211
Yeah, loss of freedom and all, but I do kinda agree with it.

I shot a mule deer last year that was missing half the muscle on its right shoulder from somebody shooting it with probably a .22-250, possibly a .223, and splashing the bullet off the shoulder blade. Deer lived, eventually healed up enough to keep living, but was obviously crippled (which is why I shot it).

BULLET SELECTION MATTERS MORE THAN CALIBER
I can shoot my .300wm and splash bullets off a mule deer's shoulder blade if I'm shooting 110gr Vmax/Varma or 125gr Nosler BT's, or I can shoot 75gr TTSX's through a 14.5" AR and punch both shoulders.
>although mfw I ran a load up in quickload and found out I can push the 110gr Barnes blacktip to 3900fps in my .300wm safely

One of the reasons I don't like (other people shooting) the 7mm cartridges, too much of the factory ammo is loaded with 130gr bullets built for smaller whitetail.

>>34734211
Oh, also, I would DEARLY LOVE a bison hunt. I've got an 1886 Deluxe long rifle (32" half-round, half-octagonal barrel) in .50 Express I'd take, dress up like an old-timey buffalo hunter and everything. Would give the injuns something to laugh about.

But 9 years and haven't drawn a tag yet and I'm not willing to """hunt""" penned herds.

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>>34734302
They just released a herd of wood bison up here in AK. F&G plans on opening it to a draw hunt when the population is large and stable enough.

>TFW my children will be able to hunt wild bison in the interior while i heckle them at camp every night.

You can take out an Elk with much of anything. If you want an arbitrary floor, don't go below .243 Winchester.

>>34734361
We've had a couple areas open to rifle-hunting wild bison here for 10 years, and a whole bunch of places with muzzle-loader or archery hunting open for 20+ years.

Doesn't mean I'll ever draw a tag, they're ALL on indian reservations and they only give out between 30 and 50 tags a year with no in-state, disability, or veteran preference so you're literally competing against everybody else in the whole world that wants to hunt them.

I may scratch that itch by going up and shooting a muskox with the ice injuns. I can guarantee that tag in 3 years by building preference points.

>>34734270

>BULLET SELECTION MATTERS MORE THAN CALIBER

It's amazing how many people don't realize this. I guess it's less strain on the brain to just move up calibers instead of looking up what the bullet is meant for. I want to point out, it's not just light weight bullets that fragment in those distances. Some of the heavier high BC bullets that are designed to expand at long distances are known do the same thing.

I don't hunt because killing for any reason other than survival or self defense is wrong. And I can survive without meat. So fuck off.

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>>34734361
The top line should read - "It's the only Govt. you can trust"

>>34733582
if you're really worried about it, soot it and cover it with cloth camo tape.

>>34734808
Not really worried about it just like hearing as many opinions as possible. It's not polished stainless.

>>34734510
lol fuck off faggot

>>34733194
start another caliber wars thread then, faggy faggy.

>>34735235
>kills innocents for fun
>if confronted with a situation where killing in self defense is necessary, would probably panic
Nah, you're the faggot.

>>34735601
lmao fuck off sodomite, dont u have a "nugget" barrel to ram up your rectum

>>34733194
lmao faggot post right here
i bet half your gunz have MOLON LABIA and Spartan helmets on them. lmao pathetic faggot

>>34734510
I bet you eat alot of meat

>>34735742
he eats alot of blue vein cigar, hairy totem pole and kentucky black snake

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>>34735601
Think of it as the high-protein equivalent of organic gardening, snowflake.

OP? I'd stick to the 30-06.

>>34733180


I'm considering purchasing an 18" 6.5 grendel upper to hunt white tail and potentially use as a little SPR for tactical funsies as well.

Does anyone here have experience hunting deer with 6.5 grendel?

I have been told to limit shots to 200m for ethical kills with it. I have only ever hunted with .303 british and .270 but I am interested in taking one of my scary black rifles out innawoods since they changed the laws in PA to allow semi auto game taking.

>>34736052
Yes, I hunt deer with a 6.5 grundle. Mine's a 20" barrel, but the velocity difference is negligible.

Most people will consider the ethical range of ANY caliber the point where it drops below 500 lb-ft of energy, and specifically with modern spitzer bullets around 2000fps as that's usually the lower end of the "good" expansion range (yes I know there are bullets that will exhibit SOME expansion down to 1800fps and a scant few that will exhibit some down to 1500fps).

So, assuming you're shooting the most common hunting load of the 123gr SST, that puts you at 350 yards for ~2000fps (still retains ~1115FPE). With a 200 yard zero you're looking at around 16" of drop below zero at 350 yards and only 3.5" of climb above zero at 100 yards, meaning your hunting MPBR is around 270 yards.

The Grendel retains well above lethal energy well past the point the bullet will expand and actually transfer that energy.

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>TFW you keel a durr with .45 colt

>>34736315
Damn dude. Here I am stuck keeling durr with an actual, y'know, keel.
>yarr

fuck fudd hunters, u retards are what ruin guns. fuck bolt actions and lever crap, fuck your big stupid obsolete cartridge

theres no reason to have a rifle that shoots bigger than 7.62mm

>>34734073
There are over a dozen 7mm rifle calibers popular enough to be in stock at any sporting goods store.
Good recommend noguns

>>34735958
>ruining that much rib meat because "muh fuddy-aught-six"

Tripfags truly are cancer.

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>>34737428
/thread

Have never tried hunting before and want to try. Anywhere to get started?

Also is 20mm gud 4 game?

>>34733180
My dad took his first Moose with a 7mm rem mag, and Elk are similar in terms of hardiness, so you'd be fine with that. A .308 or a .300 win mag would be good as well.

I have a friend that uses a .338 Lapua to take out Moose from ~250-300 yards regularly, but a caliber that high isn't necessary (although it is a fun gun to shoot).

>>34738802
You an Amerifag or Snow-Mexican? I'm pretty well-versed with how hunting works here in Canada but unsure about laws in the states.

Also, what game to you expect you'll be hunting?

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>>34736315
I've killed 3 doe with my Thompson so far

>>34738927
Amerifag.

No idea, coming in cold. Is there an easy/medium/hard type of categorization?

>>34738974
Actually, scratch that, maybe hogs, I've heard they're pretty bad and plentiful.

>>34737428
Someone sounds autismally asspained

>>34738996
Don't respond

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>>34734510
>killing for any reason other than survival or self defense is wrong
Fuck your universal morality bullshit and your autistic expectations of others to abide by it. Your personal qualms against hunting are irrelevant to our discussion.

>>34738974
>>34738989
Well I would look up your state laws and figure out the legal issues depending on what you decide to hunt, but I feel like it'd be pretty easy to start hunting hogs legally. Couldn't see getting a deer license being hard either (it's not hard here). Other game such as Moose/Elk can be harder to get a license for.

As for calibers, I'd go with .243 if you're hunting hogs or deer.

>>34738974
>>34738989
>>34739138
Also, you'll want to choose a gun based on the type of hunting you're doing. If you're on the ground hunting hogs you're gonna want semi auto for sure (or lever action if you wanna be a rootin-tootin cowboy). Open-field/stand deer hunting you'd be good with a bolt-action, for innawoods deer hunting you'll prob want the same thing you'll want for hogs (i.e. shorter barrel, quick to reload).

>>34733802
If you're hunting private property, know where the deer a coming and going from and have a blind or tree stand then a 91/30 will be fine. If you're hunting on state land, not knowing where the deer are moving and don't have a blind/tree stand and gonna be moving around a lot, use something lighter and shorter. I used my M39 last year hunting in the northern LP and it was a pain in the ass lugging it up and down hills and through thick brush.

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>>34734270
>>34734481
this

bullets>calibre

>>34734091

Yes you can, especially for hunting in open areas out west where you can find elk. Look at the drop chart for 45-70 vs 300 Win Mag at 300+ yards.

>>34736670
Thats some next level boating accident shit right there

>>34734510
>I don't hunt because killing for any reason other than survival or self defense is wrong. And I can survive without meat. So fuck off.
My girlfriend did shit her pants after she ate a carne asada butrito at chipotle so you may be onto something.

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How does everyone feel about 556 hunting?
How does this cartidge compair to others?
Is there an immediate difference between 16" and 20"?

>>34739059
If you object to universal morality then I guess you don't care if someone stabs your mom in her sleep just because they don't see it as wrong? Okay, sounds good, faggot.

>>34740768
I can hunt all I want in aussieland with no guilt because we're chock full of invasive pest animals like rabbits, deer and pigs.

:^)

What's a better gun for hogs? Ruger American Predator or the Savage Hog Hunter? Both would be in .308.

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Any south fl anons here who know any good hog hunting spots

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>>34740768
>If you object to universal morality then I guess you don't care if someone stabs your mom in her sleep just because they don't see it as wrong?
That's quite a oversimplification and logical fallacy there bud. The laws of the United States don't condone murder of humans.

>>34733437
b8

>>34740904
If this isn't bait, you're fucking dumb.

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>>34734361

>Ultra Gucci Whiskey

>>34738989

In Texas hogs ate considered a destructive species. There is no limit or even a license requirement to kill them. You're encouraged to wipe them out whatever you find them.

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Who /removeforestchicken/ here?
Shit's tasty af

>>34743103
I might be dumb, but I've got good trigger discipline. Mostly curious about the Ruger's adjustable trigger vs Savage's.

>>34741981
Also interested in this.

>>34743643
if that Savage model has the "accu trigger" get it, one of the best factory triggers from any mfg

>>34733229
>2 separate trucks

Dunno why but I chuckled

I've never been hunting, I don't even own a rifle but I'm really interested in learning. What is a good starters rifle? I've been target shooting with family and friends before and can generally handle myself well with groupings and recoil.
Should I get an old army surplus rifle, or should I try and get something more modern? What is good and under 400 dollars?

>>34744236
>starter rifle
I would get a ruger american or savage axis in a decent caliber like 308 or 270. 308 has a lot of loads available if you don't reload, and 270 is a good cartridge if you want to spend a lot and have to reload
>surplus rifle
eh. maybe but most rounds you can find for surplus rifles (.303, 54r, 7.5 swiss, etc) are fmj and you don't want to try to take out a deer with a fmj. Brown bear makes a good 203gr soft tip 54r, so there are some hunting loads. The problem is you don't want to bubba up a rifle and put a scope on a surplus rifle, so you'd have to hunt with irons

>>34743942
It does, Ruger has a similarly adjustable trigger though. Both get rave reviews, but its hard to find a direct comparison :/

>>34744380
If you live in California and want to hunt with 54r you're gonna be paying $40+ for a box of non-lead ammo :/

can anyone recommend a integrally suppressed .308 bolt action?

>>34744465
No, fuck off

>>34746128
wow, rude