Basic Training comparison for countries

>>34731905
Takes longer to unfuck the Brit sissies.

>He doesn't know what basic training is
>He doesn't know what AIT is

>>34731910
US basic 10 weeks AIT 3.5 weeks
https://forums.goarmy.com/thread/301002?tstart=0

>>34731905
USMC Infantry Rifleman is 13 weeks boot camp and 60 days SOI ITB. So 13 + 8 = figure it out, I'm just a dumb marine aren't I?

Only off by 1. Then you hit the fleet and they tell you to forget all that and then they teach you new shit.

RAAC is 13 weeks at basic and then 4 months for CRV and 6 months for tanker

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>>34731905
> These Uk training lengths
These sound great.
I spent 3 months in divisional Depot and another 3 months in brigade depot, which is constant training and drills.


>>34731908
>Takes longer to unfuck the Brit sissies.
You can fail training for being insufficiently aggressive.

Washout or disabling injury rates were 80% in my training platoon, and we had it light.

>>34731950
>Washout or disabling injury rates were 80% in my training platoon
what were they doing to you for it to be that high?

>>34731960
Probably all the sodomy they engage in.

>>34731960
Two had allergic reactions to a vaccination.
One fell from a cliff face.
One person suffered an aortic rupture on route march
Three went to glasshouse on jankers (military prison)
Two insufficiently aggressive.
Three rejected from regimental postings
6 fitness failures
5 Discipline failures
Last one lost a kidney

>>34731963
thats what naafi girls are for

>>34731983
>his heart exploded on a march
baka desu senpai

>fall for the nuke meme and enlist in navy
>won't see a boat for 2 years

>>34731983
>Last one lost a kidney
Lost as in stopped working or lost as in they don't know where it went?

>>34731988
yeah just fell over and started having a fit rolling his eyes and had to be taken to hospital, don't know whether he lived or not

>>34732072
Stopped working, he started coughing heavily and spewing up blood in the middle of the night. No idea why.

>>34732072
>lost as in they don't know where it went?

- hey, steve, where is your second kidney? i haven't seen it for a cpuple of das

- no idea, it went somewhere and probably lost its way back

>>34732096
I went on to instruct at ATR winchester and RMA sandhurst.

I must have this one reoccurring nightmare where i call endex and i seem to be missing one. Then the RSM screams at me and i end up in a helicopter searching for them with thermals only to find them in the pub.

I think it stems from this one guy under me who we used to always torment, we were chasing him around RAF akotiri in cyprus with an EOD wheelbarrow, a land rover panama, and some entrenching tools for shit and giggles.

he stacked it and took a panning to the head with an entrenching tool

He gets back up covered in blood and i tell him to report to MO, and i help walk him there but he stops right in front of a typhoon about to taxi because he felt dizzy with all these RAF marshallers staring at us.

Anyway i took him to MOs office and an hour later he should have been back, so i went back to MO and he said he went to the toilets as soon as he went there, so naturally i knocked it down in case he bled out.

Only bashing his bishop.

>>34731905

I'm about to head off to the Australian Reserves as Driver Specialist.

35days basic.
70 days employment training.

So 15 weeks for a truck driver.

>>34731950
What a fragile island of people

>>34732161
>>34731983
its almost like you didn't read the thread.

Ones heart fucking exploded

>>34732161
> Having lots of drop outs is a bad thing
It means you get the cream of the crop, i believe the bongs can fail training in the recruiting process.

>>34732182

To be fair, there is a lot of issues at play, especially with recruitment fitness.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWN13pKVp9s

>>34732182
Brits can quit at anytime I believe. I watched a documentary on their Marines and if they said they were done they just dropped them. An American Marine has to jump out of a second story window to get out with a bad discharge.

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>>34732182
absolutely, you have a chat with the recruiters, usually one from the regiment or corps you're about to join to see if you fit in the regiment or corps mentally, understand the job, and from the area.

They you have an assessment day, where you're given rudimentary IQ, and fitness tests which can determine what role you want and Fitness. They do a final interview process.

If you fail to meet the fitness or IQ requirements you may be invited to apply for another unit and role.

If you pass with green colours you'll be invited to the rear room, where they will show and tell you what the army is really like. They will typically have a videos of troopers kill and be killed, with images of good times between them. They will typically have someone who was grievously wounded to talk about it.

You then get the option, blue pill or red pill, you can either walk out and not attend training or stay and get invited to training.

Drop out rate during recruitment is about 50%, during fitness about 20% (average on dependant unit)(most people know fitness standards before they apply), IQ about 20%, and the back room about 90% drop out.

During training i'd say drop out is about 40% average, but depends on unit and role

>>34732207
only during the first 28 days can you leave with immediate effect, after this you have to give two weeks notice but only in the first 3 months (phase 1 training).

Once you pass phase 1 (basic) and progress onto phase 2 (specialised), you can not leave without doing your 4 year term (in some cases 6) or without reimbursing the army as to your expenses during phase 2. As an example i knew someone who was training as A CR2 crewman but decided to change to ISRB, he had to reimburse the army £5000.

In addition to that you will be in the ready reserve for as long as you may be required.

>>34732269
>In addition to that you will be in the ready reserve for as long as you may be required.

This sucks, i may be called back up to the age of 65 years old

>>34731989
Did you volunteer subs? If not, youre going to have hell for 4 years on a carrier.
t. coner ET in Groton

>>34732269
>and the back room about 90% drop out.
You're telling me that young men who idealize being in the military suddenly realize how harsh the reality is and have a change of heart?

>>34732172
That would make him fragile, as his genetics were designed so that his physiology couldn't handle it.

The statement is still valid.

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>>34732467
yeah when i joined it was images of the warrenpoint ambush, and it had the image of antony woods pelvis welded to the seat, alongside the corporals killings

Now its the QRL CR2 being swarmed by iraqis in basra and the commander thumping an Iraqi with a APFSDS penetrator, while the gunners rotating and firing coax from the other tanks i column, the royal anglian sgt who stabbed an insurgent in the face with the helmet cam, with the bad being mostly unidentifiable IED hits

>>34732469
You can't say if it was genetics or lifestyle. Good thing Omallary was American-irish if it was genetic though

irish candidates are by far the largest drop outs

>>34732537
Heart explodes in his mid 20s at the latest?
It was genetics and if you say other wise you're retarded.

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>>34732537
>Now its the QRL CR2 being swarmed by iraqis in basra and the commander thumping an Iraqi with a APFSDS penetrator, while the gunners rotating and firing coax from the other tanks i column, the royal anglian sgt who stabbed an insurgent in the face with the helmet cam, with the bad being mostly unidentifiable IED hits
And the people applying really aren't expecting this? They've never watched any gore?

>>34732552

To be fair, all the recruitment ads on; the TV, the internet, and posters can't exactly show this stuff, even if they wanted to filter out the squeamish before they walk in to recruitment.

>>34732546
atherosclerosis is a real thing, and has very little to do with genetics.

>>34732552
Its different when its bob, who you found out he went to Birmingham central high school, age 22, married, got a child and another on the way and he's just a steaming mess of guts, whilst the presentation is given by bobs best friend.

Its the real deal.

>>34732552
normal people don't sit on the internet looking for gore

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>>34732467
Better to washout the nancy's as fast as possible.

Leave it to the goddamn bongs to actually make a close facsimile to basic from the novel Starship Troopers.

>>34732629
The US Military would do that, but then they wouldn't get as many recruits and they would have to accept less funding.

Have you ever heard of a government program that wanted less funding? Neither have I.

>>34732593
>Its different when its bob, who you found out he went to Birmingham central high school, age 22, married, got a child and another on the way and he's just a steaming mess of guts, whilst the presentation is given by bobs best friend.
>Its the real deal.
I guess I'm too autistic to get it, then. I don't see any notable difference between what you explained and just watching gore online.
Could you explain why exactly you deem it to be "the real deal" just because you get a few additional bits of info on the guy and it's his friend explaining it?

>>34732611
Normalfags are shit though, with their functional personalities and social natures.

>>34732537

Kind of want to see some of this, just for curiosity's sake. The chally 2 swarmed by iraqis sounds like a hoot.

>>34732644
Yoy ever seen a TV show and thought, "i really like this character, i want to see more of him, Then you found out they're dead. Its like that.

>>34732629
British troops get freedom of cities don't they?

>>34732678
I want to see the helmet cam of the guy getting stabbed in the face. Close combat footage gets censored pretty much all the time.

>>34732680
>Yoy ever seen a TV show and thought, "i really like this character, i want to see more of him, Then you found out they're dead.
No.
>Its like that.
Don't get it.

>>34732644
>Could you explain why exactly you deem it to be "the real deal" just because you get a few additional bits of info on the guy and it's his friend explaining it?
>just because you get a few additional bits of info on the guy and it's his friend explaining it?
>His friend explaining it

Bob died. Bob got blown to bits. The man giving the presentation, who was there and watched bob die violently is now giving a presentation about bob, to a room full of recruits about the horrors of war. Bob was a man, with a family who had good friends, one of whom is now telling you about his death. Could be a guy you could relate to, it could even be you.

Anon, can you see why that might be a rough ride for some recruits?

>>34732714
>Anon, can you see why that might be a rough ride for some recruits?
Yeah, but then we come back to my original question of
>And the people applying really aren't expecting this? They've never watched any gore?
I just can't fathom how anyone could be so incredibly ignorant and unthinking as to not realise something as obvious as
>Bob was a man, with a family who had good friends, one of whom is now telling you about his death. Could be a guy you could relate to, it could even be you.
I would understand if they were children, but how do people old enough to join up not understand something like this?

>>34732629
How so?

>>34732691
>>34732714
>>34732729

So basically the guy giving the presentation shows a slideshow and video of bob, His childhood, his proposal to his girlfriend, their engagement party, his stag do, their wedding, his children being born. They poke fun at his expense at a couple of times. At this point you identify with bob, seems like a decent guy right? Well bob was killed in an IED attack, here he is now, Bob did not survive but i did because of bobs sacrifice.

Its more to do with not gore, but more to do with that you have to expect that you and your friends can be killed. And if you're willing to die for them then they may survive.

If you can't handle that then you shouldn't be in the army, not everyone would be willing to give up their life for someone else. I think i would, I don't have kids, but some of my platoon do, and they're closer to me than my actual brothers.

That way if they decide to join the army, and their friends do die then they're less likely to suffer from mental health issues and move on.

>>34732729
Death of best friends is not in job description

>>34731905
Whats the disparity in pay like though?

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>>34732809
>enlist to fight in a war
>don't understand that people die in wars
Seems pretty fucking dumb to me.

>>34732817
You ever had to put your best friend in a bin bag and weigh down the coffin with sandbags?

>>34732830
So you're one of those dumb folks who didn't realise people die?

>>34732834
> never had friends

>>34732834
Not him but I don't really see what is so hard to understand.

The point is that yes, as some people here keep saying everyone should be, and most likely is, aware that "people may die if they go to war" as an abstract concept, something obvious and taken for granted (not that this is wrong by any means, mind you).
But when you hear stories by people who have actually seen it happen first-hand and you even get to see footage of the actual event and/or the aftermath, the aforementioned concept becomes less abstract and a lot more concrete, a lot more real.

Some people cannot handle the harshness of this reality, understandably so, hence I think it's a good way to weed out people not made for the job from the get-go.

>>34732907
the FBI does something a lot like this on the first day of new agent training. They get a few dropouts from every class.

>>34732729

British Army recruits from the age of 16 (from those who have finished secondary school). Then consider that plenty of 18+ year olds going to university struggle to adjust despite being aware beforehand what that entails (and that university is probably emotionally easier than a combat deployment). There is a world of difference between edgy teens daring each other to watch gore videos, and watching the last moments of your best mate after an IED attack. If you don't have the social skills to understand this, kindly stay the fuck away from the armed forces, as you're probably a cunt.

>>34732456
t. EM-Log
t. FTN

>>34732456
I did, hoping to get boomers cause that schedule sounds n i c e

I was in transport. They never bothered to show us any combat death or destruction because the odds of us seeing actual combat was pretty slim. May have changed since back then. However, since we were going to drive pretty big trucks, they gave us a few hours of watching driving accidents, or rather reenactments, watching poorly loaded cars lose their cargo and hit other cars. And a few crying and badly glued together guys describe how they were badly maimed while watching their loved ones get maimed and die horrifyingly. No one were laughing. Since I remember it at all this many years later it must have had some impact.

>>34731988
He was training CQC with Kenshiro or what?

>>34732207
> an american marine had to jump out a window to get discharged

Thats because unlike the yanks, the british army actually wants to produce thoroughly professional and highly skilled soldiers even if it means low numbers, as opposed to everybody gets a gold star and a cookie for participating and thus just by virtue of not having an injury you pass. There are multiple tests throughout phase 1 or CIC that if you fail youll be backtrooped or discharged if youre enough of a mong. Generally, if the DS wouldnt personally take you into battle or have you in their section, you wont pass.

>>34733517
>as opposed to everybody gets a gold star and a cookie for participating
Some Septic walked up to me and was talking shit about how i had only 5 medals and i had been in service before him

Ive got 5 gongs, ACSM (2011), jubilee, GSM (for NI), Telic, Herrick. (does not include tosca, UN & nato medals that i've binned)

If i was american
> 3 Purple hearts
> So many Joint Meritorious Unit Awards i can't remember
> 3 Good Conduct Medal
> National Defense Service Medal
> Korea Defense Service Medal
> 2 Humanitarian Service Medal
> Iraq Campaign Medal with 2 stars
> Afghanistan Campaign Medal with 3 stars
> Global War on Terrorism Expeditionary Medal
> And i'd get to wear all them shit UN & NATO medals
13 + medals and five stars is what i would have if i was american and they weren't in NI

>>34733517

To be fair though, the US Army needs quantity to do what is asked of it in terms of deployment commitments. The British Army is far smaller (even on a per capita basis), and even then they are struggling to get enough numbers despite all the; Saffas, Fijians, and Micks who are joining as well.

>>34733798
My mate is a saffer and is going for the paras but has to get a british passport first; its odd that even though we're struggling in recruitment and retention theyre being selective about commonwealth applicants.

That said, a bloke on my assessment got his blood pressure taken once and got sent home, another bloke who was going for port operator had his taken 10 times before the MO told him to go sit down for half an hour, mad bastard had had 10 cups of coffee on the train that morning

>>34733787
Shit, how long you been in mate? What reg?

>>34733787
>Ive got 5 gongs, ACSM (2011), jubilee, GSM (for NI), Telic, Herrick. (does not include tosca, UN & nato medals that i've binned)

Jesus grandad.

>>34732469
>t. desk jockey.

>>34733867

Honestly, I think it's a good thing. If they want more recruits, they should pay better, and earn back the trust of the armed forces as a career they pissed up the wall with the defence cuts. Part of me is also pretty leary of having a large part of the Army being (effectively) mercenaries. You want them to feel like they have a stake in the country they are fighting for, not just "it's better than the jobs back home".

>>34733986
True that, soldiering as a career is dying a slow death. To be fair though Ive met a fair few lads who joined up straight off the boat and theyre if anything more patriotic than most british lads who join up

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>>34732537
>Now its the QRL CR2 being swarmed by iraqis in basra and the commander thumping an Iraqi with a APFSDS penetrator, while the gunners rotating and firing coax from the other tanks i column,
> the royal anglian sgt who stabbed an insurgent

>>34731905
Dutch AMO 12 weeks
Dutch MFO 26 weeks

>>34734434
So whats the difference between AMO and MFO?

>>34734456
AMO = basic training
MFO = Function education / training. The MFO training follows after a AMO training.

>>34734396
Can confirm for lunacy.

Gotta love the ketamine crusaders

>>34733986
>You want them to feel like they have a stake in the country they are fighting for, not just "it's better than the jobs back home".
The cynic in me says that politicians would prefer someone who just does whatever he's paid to do.