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Not my pic, but I recently got a turret press and cut a piece of plywood with half circles to store all the does under the reloading table... which is a harbor freight tool stand I beefed up.

>>34729920
How do you do 45-70 or a straight wall with only 3 dies? No crimp?

>>34729945
>not my pic, just got on the tubes
Sorry mang, I don't reload 45-70. I only do military calibers

>>34729990
>I don't reload 45-70. I only do military calibers
Wat?

>>34730029
Forgive my oversight. I load 7.5 Swiss, 7.7 and 6.5 Japanese, 303 Brit, 6.5 swede, and 30-06.

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Whats a good kit for beginners? I was thinking about getting the Lee Precision Anniversary Challenger Kit II to reload 9mm. What do you guys think?

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>>34729945
With the lee die set, seating and crimping can be done on the same die. The factory crimp die does a little better job though so I generally just seat and have the crimp part set to just kiss the case mouth, then run all the finished rounds though the factory crimp die to fully remove the flare.

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>>34730185
>Lee Precision Anniversary Challenger Kit II
On the press priming sucks balls... The old hand primer is a lot better and you can take it anywhere. The scale and tools the breech lock kit come with suck, but the press, powder measure, and hand primer make up for it and you can't buy them individually for as cheap. If you are only going to do 9mm, I would buy a pro 1000 and a cheap single stage press.

>>34730169
I was just laughing because 45-70 was at one point a military cartridge

>>34729945
most pistol sets are 3 dies and most rifles are 2 die.

People add more, casters tend to add an expander. But basic bitch equipment is 3 for pistol, 2 for rifle.

>>34729845
In the box they came in.
>long term
Spray down with One Shot and store.

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I just got this setup off of a mechanic from armslist for 140. Did I do good? Its a lee turret press with 9mm and 45 dies, along with everything in the pic.

I got it to reload 4570, What else do I need to reload 4570 besides 4570 dies and components? What dies should I get? Ive never reloaded anything before, and ive been reading the lee manual in the pic, but what else should I be getting?

>trying to watch reloading channels
>have to watch it 2x speed to get anywhere
Holy fuck I knew it was a rabbit hole of autism but this is like watching someone ramble through excel spreadsheets for half an hour

>>34729845
Either in the box they came from or a replacement box (if the original sucks or is damaged). I store the boxes in a shelf of a cabinet I use to store all of my reloading components and ammo.

>>34730185
I started with the exact same kit and have ended up replace or supplementing everything in the kit. I only upgraded the press since I started loading 577/450 and the orginal press won't handle the dies. I still use the old press to decap and load pistol ammo, and the powder measure for pistol and .223 powders (it sucks for extruded stick powder).

>>34734656
You at least broke even for used equipment IMO.

I would recommend at least another reloading manual (I like Hornady). I would also go with something better than standard lubes for sizing any big bore black powder cartridges (like 45-70), I use imperial sizing wax. You will also a tumbler (vibratory or rotary) to clean your brass.

If you want to go full retard for reloading you want bullet casting equipment as well.

>>34734656
What gun are you loading 45-70 for?

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>>34734827
so Pic related isnt good enough? it seems pretty extensive, but what the hell do I know.

I know I need a bullet puller, probably a case trimmer too, I dont think I will get into casting yet, maybe down the line after im more used to reloading

>>34734837
A henry 4570 i just got a few weeks ago in trade

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>want to get into reloading
>get a press
>get dies
>get powder scale

>look at what else I need

>hand primer
>case length gauge/holders
>powder measure
>calipers
>case trimmer
>tumbler
>bullet puller

>lose interest in reloading for another 6 months

I got some ultramax reloaded (is there a difference between reloaded and re manufactured? ) and amongst the .38 special is some P+

I assume that's just a case and they are all reloaded to the same load right?

>>34734864
>so Pic related isnt good enough
It is what I started with but as you start to dive deep into reloading, even for a single cartridge, more is better. Each book will give you more bullet weight and powder options which is incredibly useful should another panic occur. I own four different reloading manuals myself but I load a lot of different military rounds.

>A henry 4570 i just got a few weeks ago in trade
You should be fine with any load shown in any book with that. If you want to go with cast bullets (either your own or comercial) you will want to get an expander die on top of the regular dies.

>>34734972
You can literally make a powder measure out of anything as long as you double check with the scale to make sure it's consistent, you don't need a case trimmer unless you are going to be reloading a lot, you can make a case gauge out of plastic cards and your calipers, you don't need a bullet puller unless you plan on fucking up a lot and even then just grab the bullet with some pliers and treat the .08 cents lost as a lesson in not fucking up, and a tumbler isn't needed either unless you are benchrest shooting or shooting really dirty pick up brass, in which case get a square jar like the ones they sell peeled garlic in and tape it to your drill set to rotate at a slow speed with a hose clamp

>>34735085
Why is case tumbling a thing? Can you not jsut wipe down your brass?

Im the 4570 guy

>>34735279
It is but wiping down cases by hand is more of a meth addict/benchloading hobby. If you really care then the primer pocket is what you should focus on if you are doing it by hand

>>34735279
The two things you want clean are the inside of the brass and the primer pocket. Also >>34735293 is right. You might as well pick up meth on top of reloading if you do that.

>>34735293
Also you dont need to do it every time if using smokeless, know a fudd that waits until the fifth firing before tumbling, need to clean your dies more the though

>>34734129
They don't fit in the boxes anymore because of the bushings, plus I have a couple mixed sets and a bunch of single dies...

>>34735337
I wet tumble my brass every time. It makes it a lot easier to size, properly seat primers, and get consistent neck tension.

What kind of dies should I get for 4570? Does the brand matter? why is rcbs so expensive compared to the lee dies?

>>34734656
I think you did ok on the deal.
I don't like electronic scales. I had one give errors and have never trusted them since.
If you are not familiar with a caliper, practice with it by measuring known things. Such as a bullet, a coin etc.
Practice with it until you can get the same reading errytime.
Get as many published sources for load data that you can. Do not trust load data that is on the internet such as a forum.
.45 acp is my favorite to reload. No tiny components.

>>34735574
Lee has lower QC than other companies. For most of their stuff it doesn't matter. The last few Lee dies I got, had burrs that would scratch brass or worse. I sent them back and got it fixed but I feel like I shouldn't need to do that with brand new dies.

As far as dies go in general, I go with used when I can. Gunbroker, eBay and gunshows are good sources for all of those. Dies don't wear out in any real rate and you can used dies that are older than you are with no worries.

Have you taken any thought on where you are going to source componets from?

>>34735669
I have about 60 cases ive saved, the ammo came with the gun, and ive been saving it, I have no idea about the rest of it, I need bullets, primers, powder, maybe more cases and I dont know where to get any of it yet. Eventually i might get into casting, but i just got the rifle 3 weeks ago, Ive only had whats in >>34734656 for 4-5 days now

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>>34735574
RCBS dies are finished a lot better but in general I like Lee dies. They come with a shell holder and the factory crimp dies are pretty sweet once you figure out how to set them probably. I kind of hate adjusting my rcbs die sets with the nut and flat blade screw jigger...

Why do they tell you to buy single press if it takes forever?

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What's an adequate hand-primer for beginners that won't give me carpal tunnel syndrome?

>>34729845
Thats the most autistically retarded way to store dies, they literally come in their own cases you fucking moron.

>>34735721
So you don't fuck anything up when you are a beginner and dont blow yourself or your gun up.

>>34735704
I asked to get a jump on your next question. I typically buy from graf & sons (flat rate for shipping) or midway (often has free shipping deals) for components online. For trying out new powders I buy locally and once I find a powder I like, I buy bulk online (usually from the same sites). Have a little patience and you can be rewarded with good deals such as free shipping (when you are buying stuff pounds at a time shipping costs add up quick) or just general sales.

>>34735721
Single stage presses are better when making ammo at full autistic levels of accuracy. Also needed when the dies are bigger than the standard 7/8 in like for the 577/450MH or 50bmg.

>>34735766
The cases are bulky, annoying to store and you have to look around for them. This is the superior die holding system.

question for the bottleneck guys, well maybe two questions...

1. I keep on getting inconsistent neck tension, no matter how I prep the cases and you can tell when seating bullets. How can I fix this?

2. Im only getting 3-4 reloads and then the neck is splitting, I even adjusted my die to only bump the should back .001 with the Hornady tool.

Reloading for .270 Win if that helps

>>34737787
I would argue that >>34729920 is the real way to store your dies, anything else is just inefficient.

>>34738181
Check neck thickness. Are you using bushing sizing dies or not? Are you keeping the depriving stem? Since its .270 win, I assume you're shooting it out of a bolt gun, is it a bolt gun and is it only on one gun? What brand of brass are you using?

These questions can help diagnose your problems

>he doesn't have a dillon 650

>>34738181
You need to anneal your cases. If it's all same head stamp fired brass from your gun I wouldn't worry super hard about perceived neck tension unless they are scrubbed perfectly clean with a brass brush and uniformly lined with graphite... You could always just really lightly use a lee factory crimp die to fake neck tension.

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Does anyone have load data for .303 British using 174 grain bullets and IMR 3031? Neither of my manuals (Lee and Speer 14) list 3031 for 174 grain bullets. I can find some stuff online, but if anyone can point me in the direction of some better .303 manuals, I'd appreciate it.

>>34738290
Just using a regular hornady die, yes they are all ised in the same bolt gun and brass is PPU

>>34740776
The lyman manual only lists it up to 150gr. It's probably too fast of a powder for that use...

>>34734656
>what do I need besides dies and components?
If you ever want to shoot cast, get a universal expanding die (it's literally a 45* cone of steel on the end of a die body). Lee makes one that works for about $6. A factory crimp die would be a good idea as well, although potentially not needed depending on which die set and brand you buy.

In order of brand preference for dies (excluding benchrest stuff with the micrometer adjustments)
>Lyman
>Hornady Custom Grade
>RCBS
>Hornady American Gunner
>literally anything other than Lee
>repeatedly mashing the tip of my dick in the press
>Lee

The ONLY TWO PRODUCTS YOU SHOULD EVER EVER EVER BUY FROM LEE are their universal expanding die (so simple not even they could fuck it up) and their "unbreakable" decapper (you will break it, buy 2 so while the first is out for warranty replacement you're not out of business). And you should only buy a universal decapper if you're planning on doing a lot with military crimped primer pockets, so .308/7.62x51 and 5.56.

>>34735704
powdervalley.com, grafs.com, or midway are the 3 places I normally get components from. Powder Valley usually has the best prices but is a little steep on shipping and won't calculate shipping until you actually check out, which sucks.

Starline for brass, they're higher quality than even current-production factory cases. I have some Starline .45-90 cases with over 100 loads each on them and they're fine, but I'm not running them super hot because it's for an antique rifle.

>>34738181
>inconsistent neck tension
Low quality brass, your neck thickness and neck concentricity are gonna be all over the place. If you're getting acceptable accuracy, don't worry about it. If you're not, buy an outside neck turner and/or buy Lapua/Norma brass
>3-4 loads before split neck
Brass has a finite life. That sounds about right if you're not annealing. You can either anneal your brass which will buy you upwards of 20 loads, or switch to softer brass which will buy you just a few more loads before they split. A tight, SAAMI minimum spec chamber allows less stretching and increases brass life but that involves either setting back and rechambering your barrel or buying a new barrel from one of the big-name accuracy companies, neither of which are cheap.

>>34738181
You need to anneal your cases. Ppu isn't quality brass, so life will be shorter than other brands. I would also suggest getting a neck die as well and not worrying about the shoulder of your case. If you're still worried about neck tensions start uniforming necks

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>>34742701
Theres literally nothing wrong with Lee dies you dumb shill. Not to mention they have muh Martini-Henry dies.

>>34742728
>>34742884
Thank you, is there a specific neck thickness I should go for or just take enough off to uniform them?

>>34743068
That's one of those topics that will get you 18 different answers from 16 different people. I just uniform them. Not a particular thickness, they just need to be the same

>>34740776
My 5th edition Hornady manual list !74 gr loads. It is a two volume manual and I think the best.

>>34740776
http://stevespages.com/311_1_174.html
Literally all his data comes from various reloading books that have been compiled. Granted as with all data from the internet take it with a grain of salt.

>>34740776
I just noticed you were powder specific. my Hornaday doesn't list 3031. I have different powders for different calibers when needed, some are not suitable for some cals.

>>34745164
>Neat_Spider_man.png

>>34742993
Except, y'know,
>consistently out of spec dies (they recalled over 75,000 .300blk die sets because of this)
>burrs from the factory
>decapping stems that might as well be made from melted down soda cans they're so easily bent
>lock rings that don't actually lock
>interior finishes that look like they were cut with a roughing mill and then sandblasted
>"""carbide""" die sets that aren't carbide
>that retarded friction-only retention for decapping stem
>"""unbreakable""" universal decapping die that's easily broken (granted they will replace it, free including both-way shipping, and is on my very short list of "okay to buy" Lee shit)
>presses that break their frames under routine uses at low cycle counts
>presses milled off-center by up to a quarter inch
You take a gamble with Lee shit. If it's right, yay, it's still significantly inferior to options from other companies for a very slight cost savings. But if it isn't right you're fucked because the only things of theirs that have any warranty are their O-frame single stage press and their """unbreakable""" universal decapper.

>>34743068
Since I'm assuming you have a SAAMI spec chamber and not an ultratight match chamber, take just enough off to uniform them (or buy higher quality brass, until you get into the cut-to-a-specific-neck-diameter match chambers Lapua, Nosler, Hornady Match, and Norma brass should be good to go as-is).

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>>34742993
>that complete dedication to the bite
>you will never have a daughter like that

Im starting to play with my bullet seating depth, how far should I start with them in the land s and what increments should I work by?

>>34747546
Seat them to the posted length in your reloading manual dummy. There is a column for "MIN LENGTH" for a fucking reason.

>>34747596
Retard knows nothing about handloading for accuracy.

>>34747546
Here you go

http://www.sinclairintl.com/GunTech/Determining-Bullet-Seating-Depth-/detail.htm?lid=16131

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So how do people use one shot?

I have Lyman case lube and a pad that work well. I tired one shot. held invert shook 3 min sprayed the cases and in the necks from both sides. let sit 10 min sprayed again then when thought the sizing tide. EVERY fucking case stuck.

how the fuck do you get this to work?

>>34747842
You waited too long, that "wait for it to dry" fucks up everything.
What I do is get a row of 5 cases, spray them outside and inside plenty good then size and I never had a stuck case.
I did find out is that if i didnt clean the inside of the case neck before lubing, it will be a bitch pulling it past the expander on the way out.

>>34747546
I assume you can measure from base to ogive, this is what you need to use, not overall length. Second, I assume you can also measure freebore, it will vary with different bullets so it needs to be measured for every type of bullet you have. Then start with the bullet .002" in to lands and move off of the lands by increments of .002" until you're .006" off the lands. Don't go past minimum overall length, though. Pick the best string of ten. Then play either way by .001" if you want.

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>>34748028
thanks ill give that a try

>>34742701
>>34742993
>>34746730
Their primer swaging die is also gtg, essential if you load .223

I want to get into reloading. I know absolutely nothing at all, and don't know where to begin so speak as if you're talking to a child. Tell me what I'll need and how to do it or just reccomend tutorials I don't care but at least start me somewhere. Anywhere.

Should I watch hickok's video or are there better tutorials out there?

Things I want to reload:
577/450 brit
.303 brit
6.5 swede

As well as the standard 9mm/7.62x39/.223/.308, but that's kinda secondary since I can just buy that easily.

>>34748579
Youtube. They have literally "the idiot's guide to reloading: babby edition"

You will ABSOLUTELY 100% GUARANTEED NEED:
>press
>dies for each caliber you want to reload
>either a shellholder or shellplate for each distinct rim size you want to reload (don't think any of those share rim sizes, but for example 1 shell holder will do .308, 7mm-08, .338fed, .243, 6.5CM, .260rem, 6mm CM, etc etc etc as they all have the same rim), depending on style of press. Single stage and turret presses use shell holders, progressive presses use shell plates. There are charts for this shit from each manufacturer. Some die sets come with a matching shell holder.
>a good, reliable, RELOADING scale. Not a weed scale, not a dimestore scale, not a chinkshit amazon special scale. Absolutely must do GRAINS, abbreviated "gr", do not confuse this with GRAMS, abbreviated "g". Must be accurate to within 1/10th of 1 grain. Your choice of digital vs. balance beam. Read the damn instructions.
>a powder funnel that will fit in or snugly over the case mouths of all your calibers, these are cheap and widely available
>some way to drop or scoop powder. Can be a dedicated powder dropper (recommended) or powder scoops (cheap, slow, and not recommended). Some of the better powder droppers (NOT LEE) are repeatable and reliable enough you don't absolutely 100% have to measure each powder charge, although it is recommended especially starting out.
>a small set of allen wrenches to adjust and tighten everything on the press and dies
>case lube (spray on is easier than roll on, but as illustrated in >>34747842 it's not 100% reliable)
>components (brass, bullet, powder, primer)
You do NOT absolutely 100% guaranteed need, but it is highly recommended to get, the following:
>stuck case remover. Saves time and keeps you from damaging your dies. You WILL stick a case eventually
>extra decapping pins for your dies. You will break them, they are considered consumable. Have spares NOW.

>>34748153
I screwed up and tried to do it by memory, it should actually be 6 rounds each .010" into, .040" off, .080" off, and .120" off. Shoot two separate three round groups off each and determine the winner. Then tweak by .002"

>>34748705
Shieeet I thought this was gonna be "you buy the bullet, the powder and pick up your cases, put it all in a machine and crank the lever"

It's gonna be fun on a bun, thx anon

>>34748579
Be advised, reloading isn't cheap and you probably won't break even for at least 5 years depending on how much shooting you do. That being said, I find it a lot of fun and it soothes my autism to be super precise.

>>34748754
Well if you're willing to drop $500+ on a progressive press, that's how it actually is (once you get everything set up correctly).

Being cheap means it will be slow. Being expensive means it will be fast but give you new and exciting opportunities to fuck up.

>>34748804
Eh. One heavy range trip with his Martini could easily pay for a fairly nice setup with a turret press. .577/450 factory ammo is crazy expensive and it can be reloaded for about a quarter.

>>34748804
Damn. I don't shoot that much as it is. I might do it for something to do though, I hear that cranking the lever is so humbling and it feels so rewarding to make your own ammo.
>>34748811
Progressive press? Sounds promising, not like I ever cared about the fundamentals anyway. I'm gonna need to learn all the shit though for 577/450 though probably, right?
>>34748830
Yeah it's like 9 bucks a round. I need to buy a martini first

>>34748877
Yes, and I'm not sure .577/450 dies fit in standard diameter presses so you may be looking at a specialty press for that anyway. I dunno, I don't reload for it.

>>34748747
.120" seems like a very far distance off the lands, are you sure its not .010" increments?

>>34748877
$9/rd
Wut

>>34748893
It's what berger recommends for their vlds, but it works for non vlds, too.

http://www.bergerbullets.com/getting-the-best-precision-and-accuracy-from-vld-bullets-in-your-rifle/

>>34748913
Idk I just threw out a number
It's more than $6 for sure, I saw it once for $8 or $9

>>34748980
I would cry having to buy store bullets

>>34748967
Thank you anon

>>34748579
>577/450
You are going to easily spend more in equipment than you most likely did for the rifle to reload this cartridge. I know I did and I was already reloading. Note, unless you want to pay someone else for bullets, you are going to need to cast bullets as well.

>>34748830
>One heavy range trip with his Martini could easily pay for a fairly nice setup with a turret press
The thing is 577/450 MH dies require a press that can take 1-1/4x12 dies as opposed to the standard 7/8x14. I have only seen single stage presses that have that threading.

>>34748877
>Yeah it's like 9 bucks a round.
Buffalo arms is the only consitant supplier of that ammo. They want anywhere from $175/20 rounds to $162.50/20 rounds (if you buy 5+ boxes at a time).

>>34750354
Christ, do you need to be licensed to sell ammo? I'm pretty sure anyone can undercut that easily.

>>34750391
To sell ammo, you officially need a FFL licence (not the same one as for the standard gun store). I would never buy some random guys ammo at a gun show, let alone cartridge like 577/450 which is usually done in black powder (if you fuck up black powder it can have big issues).

Also while it only cost me 30 cpr in components to reload the cartridge, it took me roughly 2 hours to load only 28 cartridges. That is with already formed brass and using black powder. It is a huge time suck to reload and that is not even including the time it took me to form brass from 24ga shotshell hulls.

>>34750391
You need a license, then you need insurance, then you need zoning from your town and then you need to build up enough rep to not be outright dismissed as a retard making receiver firecrackers in his garage.

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>>34750474
Make an annealing machine, shit is pretty cool and can range from coffee tins with a blow torch and a motor or induction heated computer controlled units