increasing price of milsurp

>>34723818
I hope they keep getting more expensive. desu that will keep alot of trashy poormag fedora types off /k/

Unlikely. There's no new production, so long term supply is only ever going to go down, meaning you need a hefty blow to demand to push the prices.

>>34723818
http://www.southernohiogun.com/polish-makarov-p64-magazine.html
looks like they're in stock on my pc
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/667449004

http://www.southernohiogun.com/russian-mn91-30-762x54-1.html
$220 mosin

https://www.centerfiresystems.com/p-9769-yugo-zastava-m5966a1-sks-762x39-rifle-in-good-condition-with-cracked-stock.aspx
$320 sks

>>34723818
They're just going to become less and less available. It's already practically gone as far as we're concerned for most things.
At a certain point, things evolved into FA rifles, and the receivers need torching before import, and now there's even more hurdles with the barrel bans that made kit build aks etc so easy to make.

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>>34723865
you are my hero anon

>>34723929
sure thing

Damn I hadn't checked the prices in a while, even $220 surprises me. 7 years ago I paid $100 for my 1943 Tula nugget and around $80 for a 440rd spam can of 7.62x54r. Long live the mosin!

>>34724056
best price after a quick look on a spam can of silver tip now is $230, makes me feel a little better about paying $300 for a case at auction.

>>34723818
You can get eg mak mags for as little as $17.50

>>34723818
all I want is one sks please argh

>>34724328
https://gunwatcher.com/sks-for-sale-in-stock/guns-best-price-link

there is probably one on arsmlist in so so shape for under $300 near you.

>>34724328
I feel you anon

I can't even find a damn P-83 Makarov mags anywhere. Anyone got any ideas?

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>Milsurpfags are finally going to have to start paying the prices the rest of us do for NIB guns.

Awww, poor babies.

>>34724517
https://www.gunpartscorp.com/Products/1625930.htm

anything else anybody needs?

>>34724551
A non yugo tokarev

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>>34724300
Put pic related up for sale last night for $150 if any of you Knoxville fags need it

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>>34724328
>>34724492
$250 still in cosmoline. Bought on Saturday. Keep an eye out.

>>34724568
http://www.newphillysports.com/PolishTok.html
http://www.collectorsfirearms.com/norinco-54-i-7-62x25-pr35163/

>>34723818
And to think, not even five years ago, idiots would bring mosin nagants still in the cosmoline to gun buy backs because they would offer more than the gun cost them. Then there are the idiots who would tacticool up a mosin because it was cheap and there are "millions of them still in Russia so who cares." Add in bubba and his hacksaw, and liberals getting rid of grandpas deer rifle in a buyback and the numbers of milsurp only go down.

I am happy I got into collecting milsurps early enough I could build a decent collection before the sources dried up. I am happy that the price has gotten to the point that it keeps bubba and the mall ninjas away from them. The only problem is it keeps new, young collectors from entering hobby.

>>34724584
want

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>>34724648
>The only problem is it keeps new, young collectors from entering hobby.

>mfw young and poor

>>34724701
but you can get an ar15 for $400 and .223 for .20cpr now, there are also really affordable new shotguns and rifles currently.

>>34724674
Wanna come pick it up in West Knoxville? Someone coming for it tomorrow (supposedly)

>>34724701
I am not completely saying there are no cheap surplus guns out there. You can still find stuff like Austrian M95 for under $200 (at least the last show I was at had one for $195) and the Nepal Martini-Henry and knockoff Martini-Henry rifles can be still had for $2-400. Arisakas can be had second hand easily for $250.

I understand young and poor. It wasn't too long ago that I fit that category. Go to gun shows that specialize in collectibles (they are not too numerous but they are out there) and talk to the dealers. I found when starting off, many dealers would cut me an extra deal. Dealers are collectors too and they don't want the sub-hobby to go away.

>>34724724
That is the problem, why would a person buy milsurp guns when they can get a new AR for damn near the same price.

You can justify buying an AR as security if SHTF, but once you purchase one, you have literally no reason to buy surplus guns unless you are collecting.

There is no good reason for a poorfag to buy guns they don't need, so collecting is out of the picture.

In the end, poorfags like me dont get to fingerfuck guns that have a cool history unless we blow money that we shouldn't be spending

sorry for blogpost

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>>34724545
>Milsurpfags will be able to flip their already owned guns for stupid profit in the next few years
>MFW I can get an AR for less than an Mosin
>MFW I can get an AK for less than an SKS

>>34724824
>>34724724
ARs might be inexpensive but handgun prices are insane. I miss Norinco and their 200$ 1911s.

>>34724776

Carcanos are the new milsurp game. Still pretty cheap even for rare as fuck models. Prvi makes new ammo and it's like $15/20 which isn't bad for a larger centerfire round.

>>34724935
Good for me then since I bought one for $100 on a whim. Need to snag some clips for it and let it brew.

>>34724935
The prvi ammo shoot like shit for most carcanos. They use their .263 bullets the last time I checked. You typically need a .267 bullet to shoot accurately out of most carcanos (exception being the marksmen 91/41) so you are stuck with overpriced hornady ammo or bullets (when you can find it).

>>34724947
Nice, even for a carcano. Has it been bubba'd?

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>>34724993

>You typically need a .267 bullet to shoot accurately out of most carcanos (exception being the marksmen 91/41) so you are stuck with overpriced hornady ammo or bullets (when you can find it).

This is somewhat FUD information. Italians weren't always adapt at mathematics and you will get ranges on bores. I've seen Carcanos with .263 all the way to .268 throughout the years by slugging the bore.

Hell, I have one that slugs exactly to .264 and an accuracy marked one that's exact to factory standards, so I handload for it. The post-41 guns have the worst variance that I've observed. One of the few guns I will measure before just shooting it. Considering that some people claim that only 1 in 10 guns were accuracy marked, shows that variance in bore sizes.

>>34725002

You are missing the handguard (just sold an extra I had on eBay for $35-40 IIRC). Also missing the barrel band. Pre-fixed sight, straight handle, very interesting little gun.

Depending on markings, in current configuration it's worth an easy $125 with value increasing. Get a handguard and barrel band for it and depending on markings it's $200 in today's market. But these numbers are going up so I'd suggest holding on to it regardless.

>>34725002
You have a M91/41 but you are missing the handguard and barrel band and nose cap. You may be able to get them from Numrich.

>>34725125

Also, to toot my own horn a bit, I'm currently prototyping a Mosin-type pic rail that would install on the existing rear sight (no permanent mods to the gun). Don't know if I'll get a working version good enough to sell but it's something in the works. I love those Italian workhorses and they're truly underappreciated.

BTW: One more advice. If you don't like how the safety feels (some of them have some sharp checkering), what you want is a four-pin molex (computer power adapter) dust cover. Not a plastic one but one of the older vinyl/rubber ones I've think they've largely stopped using in computers. It's a near perfect fit and can be perfected with a heat gun. Works incredibly well.

>>34725149

I've got the barrel band assembly I need to relist it on eBay because the previous buyer returned it but it'll fit a 91/41 (came off of one that was sportered), so if OP wants to keep an eye out it should be up tomorrow or the next day. Gotta drive over and make sure it was returned in the condition it was sold.

>>34725149
>>34725125
Thanks fellers. I think I poked around numrich when I bought it and the stuff was mostly gone. I'll check again

>>34723818
It's basic supply and demand, op. If people want something, but the supply of that good is either static or decreasing, the price is going to go up. Add in inflation, and the price will go up even further.

Prices won't go down until new surplus is discovered in large quantities, or reproductions of the originals are made in large quantities.

>>34725125
>This is somewhat FUD information.
No its not. I have research carcanos heavily. The nominal bore size on most m91 or 91/something carcanos is .266 with the execption being 91/41 rifles that would be designated marksmen (these are desginated with a special stamp), those have a .264-.265 bore.
Ammunition was to have the standard .267 bullets.

Then again, the Italian manufacturing at the time was far from know from being consistent. I have found ammo ranging from .265 to .269 in bullet diameter (both extremes in the same exact clip). Bores have similar variation to that as far as I have found, with the worst being my first carcano that had a .269x.271 ovular bore.

>>34725226

Search eBay completed listings for Carcano barrel band. You'll see the one for the 91/41. Previous guy got it for $20 shipped so if you want it, just make an offer when I relist it. Should be relisted today or tomorrow at the latest.

I do get Carcano parts here and there but end up hoarding certain things for my own collection.

Numrich isn't bad but they're getting fewer and fewer items in stock because they don't pay people shit that mail stuff to them to sell. eBay + Gunbroker will serve your needs 99% of the time and usually cheaper when you factor in shipping and everything.

>>34725257

Probably no more real supply coming in unless we can get some from South Korea/Vietnam/etc. Most of the arms brokers have figured out it's easier to sell to Syrians and Libyans than it is to deal with US import BS.

>>34725316
South Korean surplus is likely to go to the CMP first, at least if it's an American firearm. Vietnam, im not so sure about.

>>34725316
>>34725339
I have talked to a fairly large importer (Sarco) and they are currently making a deal with Vietnam for a bunch of old French surplus, mostly MAS-36. Still a couple of years before the first of those guns make it retail sales but it is exciting knowing some surplus will be coming in.

>>34725440
where can I get my hands on them when they come in anon

>>34725316
Thanks anon. I will do so. Be nice to restore that thing back to whatever shitty Italian glory it once had lol

>>34723818
India has a bunch of old surplus sitting in warehouses. It's just a matter of the right bribes being paid and patience before it gets released.

Also, a lot of the problems with Russian surplus prices have to do with the current sanctions, previous sanctions, import restrictions, as well as the war in Ukraine.

Russian SKS (arsenal refurbs) are still around $250 in Canada, for example. Swedish Mausers are still pretty reasonable price-wise.

>>34725471
Their retail storefront is located in Easton, PA but you will probably see them at some online retailer and online auctions as well.
If you like milsurp and are in eastern PA it may be worth a trip to see their store (even though it has become a shadow of what it once was). Last time I was there they had a wall of Yugo Mausers that were just open for people to handle.

>>34724636
I'm not familiar with either of those sites

>>34725995
i've bought from collectors before, it's pretty popular, the other one i've never heard of.

>>34725339

Depends on what it is. The South Korean M1's are available but they've been stored abhorrently for decades and the South Koreans want a mini-fortune for them. I remember reading about Century trying to make a deal to import them but the money was too far apart. CMP gets firearms that were previously US gov/mil owned, so something like Mosin Nagant's wouldn't apply. If SK had any, they would be captures from Korean War or possibly Vietnan.

>>34725440

One positive about Obama is that he did work to improve relations with the Vietnamese, and they're eager to work with us since the Chinese are a much larger treat to their existence than we are. They probably have all kinds of stuff in storage and as they modernize their military (thanks to us ironically), they'll start unloading stuff. Might be one of the last milsurp havens out there.

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>>34725995
if newphilly is still active you fags need to get some $110 hex nuggets

>>34725520

The only reason those Chinese and Russian restrictions are in place is to protect domestic manufacturers. Though the culture is much different today, if you go back to the late 80's and early 90's and you'd see how badly Ruger and others were flipping out about getting undercut by prime Chinese armaments coming in, and later for a short period in the 90's when some Russian stuff came in here and there. Hell, Remington even made a deal with Baikal to buy shotguns because it waas a cheaper way for them to get products to market. Anything you see that says Remington Spartan is Baikal.

Who would buy a Mini 14 with cuck mags (since ole Bill didn't think civies should have them when he was alive) when you could get an almost 1:1 copy of a military AK for cheaper? The pre-ban Norincos are, IMO, generally the best consumer AK variants "regular folk" can purchase in the US, especially if no one has fiddled with internal parts to "make it 922R compliant". That chinese military trigger is a thing of beauty.

>>34726070
>Might be one of the last milsurp havens out there.
The guy I talked to at Sarco did say, while piles of surplus just waiting to come in are gone, there is still tons of it out there. There are just two catches. First it is mostly in third world countries and second most of it is in questionable condition.

>>34726070
>Might be one of the last milsurp havens out there
agent orange soaked AKs when

>>34726109
this seems too good to be true

>>34726119

That's true too. I've been working on some business prospects in Somaliland and they'd be a budding place for guns and accessories but thanks to the UN embargo in place since 1991, there's little they can do. Guns are fairly unrestricted over there but they're mostly using decades old Eastern Bloc stuff. Can't help them setup a domestic facility either because ITAR applies to technical information too. It's stupid.

>>34726124

Stuff's in the ground buried. Grandfather was 101st back in '69 and whenever they got new supplies, a backhoe would dig huge holes and they'd bury shit. Brand new ammo, vehicles, artillery shells, you name it. If it was being replaced, it got buried. He said it was some of the stupidest shit he'd ever seen in his life, but that's how bureaucracy works.

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>>34726109

>>34723818
No shit tried to buy a K98 and the guy had 3 offers for $1k.

>>34723827
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Id love to see milsurps go over $1000 a rifle. would clean this board up real quick