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>>34720116
First

>>34720116
i literally did not know mauser's first name was paul until i read it in the OP. weird, i guess i never thought about it.

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>>34720131

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>>34720159

>>34720116
>Berthier
>No Lebel
Shit chart is shit.

It may be a retarded question, but is there a good milsurp rifle that comes in 30-06 or .308?

>>34720211
garand. there are also 308 garands but many consider those to be heretic

No update on my MAS 36 yet. Starting to get annoyed.

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>>34720116
Is the dark color on the stock a result from soaked in cosmoline, or were they just made that way? If it is cosmoline should I heat some out of it, or just leave it in?

Any reason I should be hesitant over this, other than a preference for the 5.5" barrel over the 5.2"?

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/674110507

>>34720211
1903a3 Springfield.

>>34720211
M1917 Enfield

>>34720211

Garand, 1903, Israeli K98k, FN 49.

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This 'surp thread is anemic. Here is my m1898 krag

>>34720181
I was just thinking that was an odd choice.

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Whoever did this to my mauser (bottom) deserves death

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>>34720116
>berthier
>not lebel
S H A M E
H
A
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E

>>34720287
But it'll be a better durr raifle!

>>34720211
>M1 Garand
>1903 Springfield
>M1917 Enfield
>M47 Madsen
>Columbian Mausers
>Brazilian Mausers

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>>34720272
That's a nice looking Krag. Here's my M1898 made in 1899 along with an 1899-dated bayonet.

>>34720116
That Carcano has the wrong sight. It's too short. And the proportions are wrong on the M1903 sight. And stop calling the Carcano the Mannlicher-Carcano

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>>34720378
I recently picked up this Colt 1901 New Army which is a nice companion piece to the Krag.

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just got my Venezuelan FN49

>>34720378
>>34720272

My Krag was attacked by bubba.

>>34720181
>>34720298

>Implying that Gun Jesus didn't just do a series where he talked about how the Frogs realized that the Lebel was a terrible trench gun and replaced it with the Berthier.

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>>34720457

also is the bolt spring supposed to be retardedly strong? like this thing takes some muscle to pull back.

>>34720116
missing the lebel, gewehr 88, and most of all the enfield 1917 (british and the american one)

>>34720465
But the rifle version of the Bert was mainly used in WWII, not WWI. They could have put the carbine version tho.

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>>34720378
DRAKE! Do you have any load data for 6.5x58 Verguerio? I know Othias has been bugging you.
>>34720465
Just because the Lebel was shit doesn't mean it shouldn't be included.

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>>34720242

Depends. Some Australian made SMLE's have almost red stocks due to the wood used. Both Lithgow and Orange plants used coachwood. (Ceratopetalum apetalum) during production runs. Made for a stock that resisted a lot of dings.

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>Want to own a piece of American 'surp

>All are severely expensive for what they are

>Only cheap rifles I have seen are bubba'd M1917s

>mfw

Would it be worthwhile finding a M1917 with a bubba'd stock with the sights still intact and try to return it to its former glory?

Post WW1 1903 with WW2 rebuild barrel with bayonet for $650.

What say you?

For the record I found the shit chart, I didn't make it.

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Finally got a pic of all the milsurp rifles I have left

>>34720642
Get on the CMP train and do it now

its almost game over

>>34720792

I like how it's not scaled but they still made the '03 the shortest.

>>34720116
Are Steyr M.95 Carbines still worth it? A shop by me has them for under $325. Yes they have cosmoline and import marks. The cosmoline removal part is the one I want to know about. How do I do it w/o messing up? He also has nuggets under $300. He also has some weird nuggets (1922 Tulas).

>>34720556
>But the rifle version of the Bert was mainly used in WWII, not WWI.
You're thinking of the M.16 Berthier, not the 1907/15.

>>34720211
For .30-06 I'd say
M1917
M1903(a3)
M1903a4 repro if you have too much $
A Brazilian Mauser, the 1908 I think.

.308
Spanish fr-8
Spanish fr-7(if you reload low pressure)
M1916 Mauser (again, handloading)
Rechambered m1 garand

I'm likely missing some, but these are just some ideas

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>>34720905
Here's my contribution btw

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Picking this up tomorrow, anyone know where i can get the cheapest clips, cleaning rod, and bayonet?

>>34720926
Idk about the rest but as of 6mo or so ago numrich has a ton of the clips at a killer price.

https://www.gunpartscorp.com/ad/499620.htm

Ian reached a goal that will supposedly let him hire someone else to help with the video production.

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This is in my grandpa's basement. Can't tell if it's a type 38 or a late type 99. Anyone know for sure?

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>>34720627
Some Indian ones are also reddish brown

>>34721063

>last ditch

type 99

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>>34720887
>How do I do it without messing up
Take it apart. Soak the metal in a tub full of mineral spirits while you hope your happy ass down to Lowe's and buy a heat gun and some blue shop paper towels (they tend to not leave lint like standard towels). Heat the stock and wipe the cosmo off as it sweats out, go slow but don't scorch the stock. Take the metal bits out of the spirits after about an hour or so and wipe them off thoroughly and re-oil everything. Reassemble when done.

>>34721098
This might sound like I'm being a pussy, but could a gunsmith do this for me? I would prefer not to fuck up my first gun. If not, how do I tell if a 'surp item isn't drowning in cosmoline?

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>>34721115
>Can I pay
Probably, a few lgs around here will do it if you pay extra, but it's really not too difficult.
>How can I tell it's drowned in cosmo
You can feel the greasy waxy buildup on any exposed parts. It's got a really distinct smell and tends to turn any metal and some wood a light yellow/orange color and dries a darker brown color when it clumps up.

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Justice will be served... To hell with bubba!
Waiting on the rest of the stock parts to come in.

>>34721202

Nice! I'm still wavering on if I want to fix my Krag or just buy a different one. Getting a new one would be the cheaper option but it would feel nice to save something.

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>Just got C&R license
>I can finally have milsurp shipped to the door
>Packages will require a signature
>tfw I have a job, and won't be around when the packages come

Is it ok to redirect C&R guns to the UPS store? I can do this for ~$5 per package. I don't want to break and rules, I value my doggo.

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>>34721098
I did all that except I used gasoline. Personal preference

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>>34720887
Yeah they're fun carbines. Kick like a motherfucker though.

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>>34722724
I would love a full length infantry rifle, but I wouldn't turn down a carbine if I found one for a good price.

>>34722635
>Packages will require a signature
You'd be surprised how often this is ignored.

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>>34722741
Yeah a full length rifle is on my high priority list as well. But I gotta make sure this Verguerio isn't a 6.5 first, so everything else is on hold.

>>34722744
Even so, I have to assume that they will need a signature (the site I want to buy from atm specifically requires it.)

>>34722724
Worse than a 12 gauge?

Deng that ross sold for a reasonable price last night on gb. Too bad I forgot about it

>>34722765
You can always call UPS and have them drop it at your office instead. Shouldn't violate your C&R.

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Calling that Mauser bro who posted his Turk Short Rifle with a 58 on the stock. We might have shared a police station at one point.

>>34722793
That's pretty much what I wanted to know, thanks.

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>>34722782
I think so yes, though it's not unmanageable.

>>34720246
bump

Bumparoni

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>>34722782
To draw a comparison, 12 gauge feels like being punched in the shoulder, while 8x56r feels like being slightly pushed.

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>>34723131
>>34720246
I don't see why not to get it, if you financially can handle a little bit of TLC and the cost of 30 Mauser ammo. I have a huge boner for the C96 though.

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While we're on the subject of recoil. Why do so many people whine about Mosins "kicking too hard"? Is it because so many first time buyers hopped on the meme train without knowing how to properly shoulder a rifle and promptly got their teeth kicked loose?

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>>34723243
That's part of it, and a lot of people shoot them from a bench, which the stock design really doesn't help with.

>>34723243
That seems to be the case that I've seen. I grew up shooting skeet, so when I got into surplus when I was about 16, the recoil was quite enjoyable in contrast to shotguns.

>>34723243

Probably. I was out shooting my 91/59 recently and barely felt the recoil.

>>34722765
UPS ignores the signature multiple ways. They don't check if you're over 21 and sometimes they just drop your packages off at the door.

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>>34723243
I think most people got their start in semi-auto rifles chambered in that varmint caliber. Without the operation of a reciprocating bolt to prolong the period of recoil it feels to them like the rifle is "kicking" harder.

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>>34720287
HURR IT WAS MAH GUN MIND YER OWN BUSINASS. AINT NOBODY CARE ABOUT THEM COMMIE GUNS ANYWHO

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ATF cashed my C&R registration fee yesterday, how long you think it'll be until I get my license?

>>34723766
1-3 weeks.

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>>34721063
It's a Type 99.
Post a pic of the left side of the receiver like pic related, and I'll tell you the series and manufacturer of it.

Is anyone else really disappointed with Rock Islands premier auction this go around? I just went through the catalogue and it's so bland. Nothing but German and American milsurp, and nothing particularly interesting among that (except that bumpy rifle Ian is going to talk about).

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>>34724402
Too rich for my blood, even if it is bland

>>34724402
I'd expect them to get much much better in the upcoming years with all the old boomers

>>34724402
Any M1917's?

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>>34724455
I think there was one, but I can't remember. Certainly no more than that. And I checked almost 1000 lots last night. Not even the usual shit like 3 or 4 guns as one lot. Very bland and uninteresting, to me at least.

>>34720116
Alright gents, I need your help deciding. I'm getting a Martini-Henry, should I get it in .577 or .303?

>>34724543
Do you reload? If not, .577 is not even close to being an option.

>>34724402

I mean, they have a ton of stuff I want, so I'm more annoyed that I can't afford any of it.

I just wish there was an option to filter out all the only Winchester leverguns, or a "milsurp" filter.

>>34724472
Is that a winchester production?

>>34724583
I do reload, and I've found a company that sells the hardware for the .577 bullet molds included. I'm jus not sure if I want to get that far into the black powder life.

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>>34724644
No, it's an Eddystone.

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>>34724657
Then you have already answered your question. I've been contemplating one in .303 also, especially since I've already got so many guns that shoot it.

>>34723766
>tfw I sent my application last week and have already been charged by the ATF, but now find out this stupid state requires that I also get a certificate of eligibility in order to have firearms shipped to my house
done with CA t.bh

>>34724691
How many uncle sam funtime notes did you pay our for that guy?

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>>34720116
Calling /k/aptain, I see a Mannlicher Schoenauer made by Breda for sale for 475 at my lgs. Good price or not? I know from this seller that "good bore" translates to "meh-tier" bore.

In other news, I picked up my CZ 455 Lux today, so now I can practice my marksmanship skills without taking out a mortgage on ammo on my milsurp.

>>34720116
I really need to get pics of my M1D...

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>>34724911
On this topic, I'm almost exclusively interested in milsurp for history reasons, but the 455 Scout has been something I've been considering.

Any thoughts on it?

>>34720652
Good deal if it isn't bubba'd or in bad shape.

>>34724985
Might want to start a .22 thread for that one.

>>34725024
True, but I was also thinking the perspective of other milspergers might be more valuable

>>34720116
>No M1917
Kys

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>>34725096
Well, you're talking to the anon that asked about the Mannlicher Schoenauer and just got the CZ 455..

I bought that rifle because my marksmanship skills went down the pipes because I can't really afford to shoot my milsurp, so I bought that GOOD .22 so I can cheaply build my skills back up. I own a Marlin M60, but the cheek piece is too fucking for my Asian-tier cheekbones to comfortably aim using the iron sights...so I am sort of "replacing" it with the CZ.

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Need to start looking for mausers or lee enfields in south florida. I was up in orlando and went to a gander mountain sale and they had nothing but fudd guns. Should I buy a yugo mauser or lee enfield? Will most likely buy the first one I come across. Milsurp is rare in south florida. Had to order my sks online.

>>34725241
>south florida
Go to Cuba and buy an M1 Garand for the price of a carburetor for a 57 Nomad or something.

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>>34725241
>Should I buy a yugo mauser or lee enfield?
Yes.

>>34720926
>clips

>>34725241

Yugo Mauser will probably be a tad cheaper, M48 will probably be in the best shape of all options. Lee-Enfield is probably a better gun.

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>>34724789
350 I think. It was less than 400. Wife got it for me for our anniversary last year.
>>34724911
If it hasn't been sporterized, absolutely. You will not be disappointed.

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Finally pulled the trigger on a Nagant, pretty excited. It'll be my first non-rifle milsurp. Anything special I should know about them before I go blasting paper?

>>34725241
>he came to Orlando for milsurp
you fool

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>>34725455
>You will not be disappointed.
Figured. The guy has yet to post pics yet or reply to my email earlier today asking for pics, but I said I'd put a down payment on it straight away. I don't even care how unobtainium 6.5 Schoenauer is, I just want that AESTHETIC.

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>>34720154
Mind-fuck, there were 2 Mauser brothers... I'll leave it up to you to learn the other one's name.

Where the fuck do I find a 9130 nowadays without getting raped on the price?

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>>34725527
Actually it shouldn't be too hard to find 6.5x54. PPU makes it year round and I know a couple others do as well, there is a bit of a cult around it. Coming out of a 29in barrel it's almost like a cap gun, recoil wise.

>>34725553
>Where the fuck do I find a 9130 nowadays without getting raped on the price?
You don't. Milsurp isn't for poor people anymore, unless you are willing to be very poor for the sake of having a collection.

t. Poverty wages but spends almost every extra cent on muh milsurp

>>34725551
Paul and Wilhelm are the two important ones but there are really 4 and they were all gunsmiths as was the father

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>>34725561
I just found some for less than the cost of 7.92. I hope he gets back to me before someone else buys it, cos I'm not dumb enough or excited enough to jump into this thing blind. It could look like shit for all I know.

>>34725553

SOG has them in stock unless you consider $250 being raped.

>>34725455
>350 I think

I have been looking for a day or two and they are around $500-600. So apparently I either need to look harder or the prices have gone up since then. Thank for the info though. Milsurp rock guy btw. At work so no pics.

>>34725685
From what I've seen 500 is fair, I (or rather, my wife) just got lucky.

>>34725660
$250 is what I was expecting to pay.
What is SOG? I'm newgunz

>>34725838
Southern Ohio Guns.
http://www.southernohiogun.com

>>34725864
Thanks man!

>>34725838
>>34725872

Keep in mind that's $250 before shipping and transfer fee.

>>34725693
Duly noted. I might look around for one with a cut down stock and try to return it to its former glory.

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>>34725928
Well if you go that route you're not going to save any money. In fact you'll likely spend more.

Thought you guys might like to know but a few South American countries still have let go of all of their surps.

>>34725940
shid.

>>34725951
Haven't*

>>34725951

It's just a bunch of Mausers though isn't it?

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>>34725596
>>34725561

Well fuck me, I got too scared someone else would buy it, so I put down 20% for him to take off sale from anyone else. I talked to him via phone a few minutes ago, and he says it's all original configuration. I'm expecting not the best bore on it, but for 475 on one of the slickest guns ever made, I'll deal with it.

>>34726029
>just a bunch of Mausers though
You say that like it's a problem. We should be thankful, but hope to God that it won't be (it probably will be) Sweaty Ben selling the fucking things.

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>>34726046
Eh, it should still shoot well enough. They're not target rifles though. Even if it has been sporterized though you can make your money back. Sporters can go for a lot.

>>34720116
>Springfield 1903 on the list
>no p17

Disgusting.

>>34726087
Yeah, no matter what, I can probably get double back on it if I chose not to keep it. My collection needed a Mannlicher, so within like 6 weeks or so I'll have paid it off and get it sent to me.

>>34726061

I mean, more 'surp is always good, but it's hard to get excited about more generic Mausers that probably saw little to no action.

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>>34720652
That's about what I payed for mine without a bayonet.

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>>34726103
>p17
Gas yourself.

>>34726147
>>34725003

Thanks. Gonna hope it sticks around until RIA is done since I have some bids in.

>>34726125
They're still really well made guns.

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>>34726162
>Fort Bennin

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ive been trying to figure out the history of my new rifle. Anyone have any links to a serial number database or know anything about carcanos?

I know terni made it, but im looking for year of manufacture and anything else i can find

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>>34726125
>probably saw little to no action.
Dude what. All the ones that saw little action are here already. The countries that have held on to theirs have done so because they needed shit to shoot people with.

>>34726258

>because they needed reserve rifles just in case they needed a mass mobilization (which they never did).

>>34723243
I personally don't think the recoil is that bad on my 'surps, but I'm a big guy, so the recoil doesn't usually affect me as much unless I shoot a lot in a short time period

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>>34725459
Welcome to the cowboy Nugget club.

Get the surplus ammo, it's loaded a little hotter and goes a little faster than most other modern loads. Mine loves it. Just clean after use, since all the surplus stuff I've seen that's still available is corrosive.

>>34726220
http://personal.stevens.edu/~gliberat/carcano/database/
This guys website is also the best carcano resource thats actually been translated from Italian.

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>>34720116
Bumping with my commonly spammed and outdated milsurp pics

>>34726220
Post the rest of the barre stamps and the cartouche on the buttstock and I can tell you more

>>34725553
Armslist.

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>>34720116

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>>34726595
Forgot to turn off my risk trip
>found out this means it was made in 17

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Any place to find a stock for a M1917? I've got one that is local that's been bubba'd just on the stock but I can't find any good places to get a replacement stocks.

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>>34727492
Gunbroker is probably the only option

>>34727341
>>34727371
>>34727381
Nothing super special to report. Just a typical Terni long rifle produced in 1917. It's been refurbed at least once. The FP marking is the supplier of the the barrel steel. Is the stock walnut? Most of the Carcani post 1915 had ash and beech stocks and I'm curious to know what yours is.

>>34727341
Pretty neat that someone didn't sand the piss out of the stock.

>>34727761
Most long rifle Carcani aren't terribly bubba'd

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>>34727742
No clue what the wood is.
Theres also these really tiny marks on the left of the receiver

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>>34727792
I un-bubba'd this 1891 TS. It took the better part of a year to collect all the parts, though. Not a great deal of spare parts floating around.

>>34724543
Good luck finding a Martini-Henry in .303. You might be able to find a Martini-Enfield or Martini-Metford in .303.

>>34725576
You fucker, don't spoil the surprise!

>>34728129
Just proof marks. Sometimes there will be a crossed rifles over a target which is basically an accuracy mark.

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>>34728311
Mfw a bubba'd TS was my first milsurp and I sold it because there are no parts to restore them with in Canada.

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>>34723243
They don't shoot from positions that allow them to roll back enough. I own an m44 and can fire from a standing position all day without so much as a bruise, and while I can shoot crouched just fine there is a noticeable jump in discomfort and bruising while doing so.

>>34722741
A shop by me has a bunch for $275 cash.

>>34728416

What specific model(s)?

>>34724702
It's not the .303 you're thinking of. It requires light handloaded .303.

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>>34728311
DRAKE! HELP! >>34720575

>>34725459
Come to Pinellas. We're obsessed with surp

>>34728430
Carbines. M95/34. There were Budapest and Austrian made models. All were in 8x56R.

>They had some cosmoline in them, BUT THAT TA PUM/ RUCK (ZU)RUCK THOUGH FAMILIA

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>>34728439
I know that it is, but getting into handloading and getting into handloading black powder cartridges is two completely different things.

>>34720116
I need /k/apt to post more pics of his Schoenauer...I'm too excited to be owning one soon, and I need some Mannlicher porn to hold me over until then

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>>34728715
I really only have a couple. I'm not much of a photographer .

>>34728715
>I need more mannlicher porn
Faggot

>>34728765
What make/model is that?

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>>34728788
>Doesn't love Mannlichers
>Calls others faggots
It is you who is the faggot sir.

>>34728812
>loves mannlichers
>isn't gay
Pick one faglord

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>>34728812

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>>34728453
I have examples of the cartridges on-hand for photos, dimensional and ballistic data.That is typically what I can offer when they consult with me. If I have any load data it will be in Ammo Encyclopedia and Cartridge of the World.

Here are a bunch of military 6.5mm's, to keep things relevant.

>>34728812
I mean it's ok.
I'm just here to tell you guys to stock up on vodka for the next video.
Bye

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>>34728802
Mannlicher Schoenauer. It's a 1927 Breda.
>>34728812
This is my Portuguese 1896.
>>34728844
Loving Mannlichers is possibly the most heterosexual thing in existence.

>>34728867
Just a bullet weight and average velocity is all I need chief, I can figure the rest out.
>>34728872
Fake. Next episode is the Cold 1908 pocket hammerless.

>>34728878
>It's a 1927 Breda.
Right on, that's what the one I'm getting is as well.

>>34728872
Watch it be the 1895 Nagant pistol instead of the Mosin that everyone would be expecting.

I wouldn't necessarily be disappointed, but I will say I hope it's a gun with a completely military background. Getting kind of burned out on commercial guns pressed into military service.

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>>34728416
T-t-thanks for letting me know.

>>34728878
>rhythmically work the bolt on a fresh lubed mannlicher as you insert a round nosed 6.5x54MS bullet in its chamber
>heterosexual

I just sold my pristine 91/30 to a friend as his first rifle. It was my first rifle too, actually.

It's ok though because I still have my Kar98k and 1903A3. Planning on selling the 1903 too though.

>caring about hetero and homo
nigga I'm Iansexual you seen that motherfucker goddamn

>>34729040

How much are you going to ask for it?

>>34729040
>I just sold my pristine
>selling your FIRST rifle

You fucked up big time, familia, Mosin or not.

There is a deal on armslist for a Swedish mausrr 41b. It's 680. Is this a good deal?

>>34729117
Link or pics

Also, no.

>>34729096

I have a dozen and a half guns safe-queening right now because I'm too busy to shoot regularly.

It was time to trim down the stash a bit. I've tried to avoid having too deep a sentimental attachment to shit that I own. I've got better rifles that I like better and shoot more often. I'd also rather have an armed friend than a gun I don't shoot.

>>34729060

Not sure yet. It's not exactly collector grade. Built on a reproduction receiver with original GI parts. The wood stock was sporterized by the previous owner, so I've bedded it in a touched up drill stock. Still needs a couple of little bits to be "original complete".

>>34729161
http://www.armslist.com/posts/7097306/south-carolina-rifles-for-sale--swedish-mauser-m41b-sniper

I was under the assumption it would be a good deal.

All I want is a sporterized m96 to use a long range/hunting rifle but damn they are still pricey.

>>34729219
Why ruin a M96?

Modern rifles are superior for both of those things.

>>34729260
fudds never change

>>34729260
He said he wanted a sporterized one not that he want to sporterize one

>>34729260
I don't want to sporterize one myself, which is why I was scouring AM and GB for a cheap sporter with a good bore.

I do really want a cz 550 fs but 700$ is a lot. I was banking on a cheap sporter.

>>34729219
Its been faked. Mount isn't correct. Not worth it.

>>34729308
Ah well, this is honestly good news. Saves my wallet quite a bit. Thanks anon.

>>34722635

Yeah, I have the UPS hold my guns all the time. You just sign for it there when you pick it up.

Brazilian 1908 short rifle for 250 in 7x57 good deal or nah?

>>34729305
>I do really want a cz 550 fs but 700$ is a lot

Go to Sportsmans guide.com, then get a buyer's club, next order a CZ 550 FS, then select the 4-Payment Plan. Not even shilling for SPG, but it's just a good option for poorfags. I got my AR that way.

Boom, you get the rifle you want, and you can pay it off over 4 months.

>>34729373
Pretty much ANY milsurp in okay or better condition that hasn't been sporterized/bubba'd is worth at least 250 nowadays.

>>34729373
Between fair and outstanding. Some of them are very collectible though what makes them such I have no idea. Worst case though, you're still not getting fucked.

>>34729373

Saw a Brazilian rifle gor for over $2000 recently, but I have no idea if it was special or not. I'm betting that one isn't worth that much, but it's definitely a good buy like billy said.

Only thing that's questionable at $250 is a Turk or Spanish Mauser.

>>34720810
CMP?

I did the gun store circuit here in town today, saw a G88 for $350 in meh condition, a Israeli rebarreled k98k, and a collection of Astra 400s marked between $350 and $400 a piece. One shop had a Boys still in .55 on display, but not for sale.

Pretty interesting stuff, didn't buy anything though, I only have $200 in my gun savings account right now. Probably would have made an offer on an Astra if I had a hundred more to spend.

Pretty boring compared to actually buying a gun, but it's interesting to see what kind of strange stuff shows up in gun stores that have been opened since the 60s.

>>34729604

Civilian Marksmanship Program, they sell Garands from the US military.

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>>34729691
>>34729604
They only had 56 rifles when I was there last Saturday. Pic related is their entire store minus a few rifles to the left. The completely reparkerized ones with new stocks are $830. Then they pretty much only go up from there

>>34729481
A original Turkish 1890 or 1893 will go for over $1000 easy. They are rare.

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>>34728906
The references I have indicate the bullet weight was 154gr, diameter is between 0.261" and 0.264" (my references do not agree) and muzzle velocity was 2460 fps.

Finally got a tracking number for my MAS 36.

>>34729688

It's worth doing from time to time, just to have an idea of what's around. You never know when something nice will turn up, like Ian's Berthier.

>>34720228
Those were navy conversions.

Why are they heretical?

>>34730177
So for that bullet weight I'm gonna guess 36gr of 3031. Thanks Drake, you are awesome as always.

>>34729763

They've got more on the way.

Still wish I'd pulled the trigger years ago.

>>34730386

Lots of post-war conversions that weren't done by the navy, but mostly because people aren't aware of the official conversions I'd imagine.

>>34730419
At least you're not me. I passed on a $250 krag at the cmp when I was 16 because I didn't want to spend that much. Still kick myself over that one.

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How the hell do I fix this? The bolt came loose from the cocker

>>34730177
My DWM catalog says that 6.5x58 is a .2637 bullet

>>34730648

I mean, I've been thinking about collecting for a decade, so I kind of am you. I've probably wasted several thousand dollars that I could have easily put into 'surp.

>>34730649
pop the op rod off and realign it

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>>34729763
Im so glad I got mine right after the sandy hookening. Got one of the last Springfield Service Grade Specials.

pic is my pile

>>34730364
If nothing else, it's fun. I think I'm going to try to move some of the junk I've got laying around, if I can scrounge up $100 I'll offer the guy $300 on one of the Astras. The G88's more interesting, but it wasn't in a good enough condition to really interest me.
>>34730648
I think everyone has "the one(s) that got away," for me it's an unaltered Webley for $300 in a pawn shop.

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Just bought a ishapore 2a1 and wanted to know if gunsmiths can rerifle the bore or do something to make the bore brand new. Or should I get a blank 308 barrel and dish out the cash to have them fitted for the ishapore? I want a new barrel on it. It gives me peace of mind

>>34730926
>the one(s) that got away,
I missed a Mosin 1907 carbine for $750 a year or two ago. Didn't know how rare they were.

>>34730946
Is there anything wrong with the barrel now? If not, just use it. Stop being so racist that you don't even trust a Pajeet gun

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>>34730926
>"the one(s) that got away,"
I saw a mint condition MAS36 at Cabela's for 200 back in 2013, and I didn't buy it because I thought it was weird and the ammo would be impossible to find. I wanted to buy a No.4 Enfield for the same price, but backed out when I researched what a "ZF" stamp on a British Enfield supposedly means.

Both were mint, and I wish I got them both, but instead I payed fucking 360 on a P1.

I want to get a SMLE No.4 MkII to use for my big hitting fuddshit. I live in Australia so the biggest thing I'll ever shoot are feral pigs (not as big as euro or american hogs) and chital deer.

>>34720211
no, those were just civilian hunting rounds created by fudds in the 1980s, no military ever used them

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>>34731037

What does ZF mean?

>>34731039

Good luck. Hope you get to be hazgunz.

I have my 1941 Lithgow Mk III

>>34731054
ZF supposedly means out of spec that can't be repaired. Found out on an Enfield forum, headed by a guy that was """"apparently"""" an armorer for the British army in the 60s and 70s...it's probably bullshit, but how adamant they were about that rifle being a lost cause made me too scared to buy it.
>it was probably perfect and I missed out on the deal(s) of a lifetime

>>34723243
shoot some stout 200gr loads from the bench

>>34720242
It's probably a combination of the wood used, if they stained it, and how they stored it. Many Martini-Henry rifles are like that aswell.

>>34731054
I already got 2 guns: CZ Sharptail 12ga and CZ 527 Carbine for 7.62x39

>>34731074

The yellow band on my SMLE supposedly means "second rate" The bore is only OK, so that fits.

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>>34731114
This is one of the posts by said former armorer, if that's what he really was and isn't pulling shit from his ass.

Anyone here have any knowledge on surplus handguns?
I've been looking into getting a P1 as my first surplus gun and wanted to know what to look for when getting one. Any help would be appreciated.

>>34730951
That's the biggest fuck up I've seen someone admit to. You have my sincere condolences.

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>>34723243
recoil isnt bad, pretty enjoyable actually

>>34731916
>getting a P1 as my first surplus gun
Are you already skilled with rifles? The people that think pistols are a good starter gun absolutely befuddle me.

>>34720794
What is the second from the bottom and how much is that valued at?

>>34729219
Pretty sure there's one on the Gunboards trader for a fair price.

>>34729219
>>34732781
Found it. Here you go, anon.

http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?790282-WTS-New-Items-Added-Vintage-Rifles-Weaver-Scope&highlight=Swede

>>34732666
Satan is right. Pistols are horrible for starter weapons. They take time to get skilled with. I would recommend a rifle first.

Also Satan I think peoples logic is that little gun is for starters because of vidya.

>>34732894
I got a buddy that wanted to start off with a 9mm pistol, thinking that was the best route, but I've slowly convinced him that a small rifle is the best route, but I still doubt he'll ever buy a gun for real.

I see that in a lot of people, actually. They want a cheap burner for protection at home or something, but shoot it just once at the range and get 1 foot groups at 7 yards, and call that good. The mental association is shitty too, cos that means that they really only think guns are to kill.

I got way off track. I'd agree that vidya is probably part of it, the other part being people that have absolutely no interest in guns other than thinking simply owning one means they'll be safe forever now.

>>34733045
>they'll be safe forever now

You're lucky if they even think like that. Most people I know think that a phone call to the police will keep them safe...to which I usually reply, You have a fire extinguisher in your house when you have the fire department, you have a medical kit when you have paramedics, but only a phone when you need the police?

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>>34720116
I asked this the other day but got no real response. How do I order from Southern Ohio gun? They have no option for an FFL when I place my order

>>34732677

That's a FAMAS and it's valued at about tree fiddy.

It's a Garand, their value varies widely from 6-700 for a beater or rebuild up to a couple thousand for a nice one with good history.

>>34732666
>>34732894

Had a nogunz friend over for shooting a month go or so, he was mentioning maybe getting a pistol as his first gun, but I think I've convinced him to get a rifle first.

>>34733198

There were actually several responses, including mine. Send them an e-mail with your FFL information and order number once you've placed the order. Alternately they may call YOU to get it.

>yfw the seller waits until you've already sent him the money order to tell you he has ammo to sell as well.

>>34733300
Thank you. Didn't realize I got a legitimate response to that question, all the others that I read were telling me to ship it to my house with no ffl or c&r and hope the atf won't show up

>>34733341

NP, if you don't have it you can get a copy of the FFLs actual license from them, or you can have them send it, ask them, they'll know what to do.

>>34733368
I've never ordered a gun online before. The guy in my local shop said he won't give me a copy of the FFL, he told me to come in and fill out some order form or something and it's gonna cost me $40 in handling from them for a mosin. Is all of that normal?

>>34733595

Normal? I dunno, but my FFL gave me a copy of their paperwork which I then scanned, and they charge $25 for a transfer.

I don't know if your state is cucked or something, but you might need to find a better FFL.

>>34733646
Ny so yes for the cucked state. It seemed weird that the guy was somewhat offended that I would ask for his FFL paperwork

>>34733679

Then I can't help you with the specifics of your local laws, it's entirely possible that what he told you is 100% correct.

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https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/71/1437/rare-german-stendeback-model-1936-semi-automatic-prototype-rifle#detail

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>>34734600
>the consignor that states he purchased this rifle in a junk store in Victoria, Texas


WHY AM I NOT THIS LUCKY

>>34732666
>>34732894
I already have a 22 rifle and was looking for something different like the P1 since it is pretty neat and I heard it could be had for not that much.

>>34734664
>>34734600

Jeebus. I'd personally love to take a road trip across the country just scouring out-of-the-way stores and pawn shops.

>>34734752
I have a P1 and I like it. Great shape, but can't hit shit with it.

>>34734917
ooh nice, how often do you shoot it and where did you get it?

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Tfw I just went to my lgs and they had a beautiful k11 and a tikka mosin for $589 each

>>34734992
I got it back in 2013 at Cabela's. No idea where they are found now.

>>34735308
Which tikka

>>34720116
can anyone explain to me why rifles of this period sight up to 2500 yards? volley fire?

>>34735378
Exactly.

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>>34735308
>people are paying K31 money for the K11 now
Goddamn I love memes.

>>34735378
>volley fire?
Got it in one.

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>>34735378
Volley fire and they thought that the increased potential of smokeless powder would lead to an increase in the ranges that combat would take place.

>>34735364
A model 1927 or 1928? Tbh, in not very well versed in finnish mosins

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>>34735581
This is a Model 1927 with a Tikka barrel.

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Would $300 be a good price to pay for a 1911 long rifle? Looks to be in decent condition

>>34735595
That looks exactly like it, he receiver and all. The left side of the front barrel band/nose cap had some sort of leaf spring looking thing attached to it running parallel with the barrel

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>>34735817
>The left side of the front barrel band/nose cap had some sort of leaf spring looking thing attached to it running parallel with the barrel
Like this? This is the upgraded nose cap design introduced in 1935 IIRC, and usually retrofitted to older rifles when they came in for repairs. It makes the end of the stock stronger; they had problems with bayonets getting torqued and splitting the end of the stock. Mine managed to escape the upgrade.

>>34730951
That's a rough one, dude, wow.
I've never been lucky enough to run across anything like that, personally, even when I didn't have the cash.

milsurp is ghey and hopefuly gets alot more expensive

>>34735931
Yes like the middle rifle. But Im fairly certain it was on the opposite side of the gun

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>>34735956
>Im fairly certain it was on the opposite side of the gun
It should be on both sides of the stock.

>>34735990
Damn, now I'm gonna have to drive back out to soothe my autism because I am almost completely sure on was only on one side.

>>34736032
>>34735990
I'm sure that in the right side there was a sort of hinge instead

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>>34736042
>I'm sure that in the right side there was a sort of hinge instead
The barrel band is hinged on one side; the two halves are secured opposite the hinge by a bolt running through them. The "Popsicle sticks" are welded to the upper band and go to a through-stock bolt a couple inches back.

>>34736081
Thanks. Now I'm curious if I was wrong or its some weird type/missing a popsicle stick. I may go by later this week and if I do I'll post a picture in whatever msg is up then

>>34735612

Yeah, grab some surp ammo before it's gone.

>>34735612
go for it

Parents just put in a new patio outside, I think it's perfect for taking pics, now if I can just get a day where it's not sweltering outside...

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Can you guys help explain this to me? I just picked up a No.4 Mk.1 Long Branch I bought online and noticed that instead of the flip up ladder aperture sight, it just had the fixed 300m peep with a flip up 600m peep in pic related. Was this due wartime shortages or something? This was a NZ issue if it makes any difference.

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>>34735427
So, pics finally came in. I thought the Greek Mannlicher 1927 Breda model came in the same configuration as yours, but this one has just the half hand guard. I don't know if I want it anymore, just doesn't have the look I want that the one like yours does.

>>34737754
Wartime production. They needed guns and those nice fine sights took much longer to make than the basic aperture you have, for very little (if any) benefit. I don't think Savage or the Canadian Long Branch rifles ever changed though.

>>34737855
That's unusual but should be correct. The original 1903 rifles only had a half hand guard, and it wasn't until the 03/14 that the pattern was changed. Possibly a restoration by someone.

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>>34737866
And this? Is this just damage to the buttplate or what? I can't open the cleaning kit compartment because of it.

>>34737883
That look just ain't doing it for me, but I feel like I'd hate myself in a year if I didn't buy it for 475. Not sure what to do. If I were a patient enough guy, I'd buy it to flip it.

Definitely Breda marked from the pics, numbers seem to match too.

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>>34737918
Well, my suggestion would be get this one now, and when you find another one (which may take some time) you can always buy that one and sell your old one. Or not, because for some reason you don't like a Mannlicher arterial. 475 is a hard price to beat.
>>34737899
Probably just damage. A mallet and some sort of pry bar with a rag around the tip (to keep from scratching) should work to open it.

>>34737899
Looks damaged to me. The door should be flush on the sides. Props on the zinc butt plate. That's original.

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>>34737982
Nah, the metal on the plate is bent over the cap. I'll probably do more damage if I attempt to open it. Any other way to access the compartment?

>>34738033
Increasing and removing the buttplate is the only other option I can think of.

>>34738033
The uniformity also leads me to believe that was done intentionally. You could just take the wood screws out and lift the whole butt plate off

>>34738051
Unscrewing you fucking machine.

>>34738070
Na, someone probably used it as a impromptu hammer on a tent stake or something.

>>34738070
>The uniformity also leads me to believe that was done intentionally
With what intentions would that be done for

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>>34737982
What I'm gonna end up doing is letting the guy take the down payment for it (he hasn't yet), and use that extra time to think about it while I can still cancel Scot free...though I've done that once before before the down payment was taken, and he understandably wasn't happy.

>>34738051
>>34738070
Bottom screw is being tough with me. I'll try forcing it open some other time.

>>34738087
>>34738085
The two dents holding the butt plate down seem to be symmetrical almost like someone peened it shut on purpose, but I have no idea why someone would do that.

>>34738127
Make sure you have the correct sized hollow ground bit before you crank down on it. It needs to be exactly as wide and thick as the screw slot. You can use a hammer to get the bit into the slit better. Otherwise it will strip. There was an anvil episode where mark talks about just that

>>34738091
>>34737982

And I'm sending Othais a facebook message to ask what he knows about the unusual set up considering its vintage, lol

>>34738452
Tell Othias I love him.

>>34733161
Well because you're more likely to die in a robbery/burglary if you're armed than when you aren't.

>>34738718
You gonna back that up with a source?

>>34733161
Most people also don't install a commercial sprinkler system or hire a paramedic to be on standby, so maybe there's not a whole lot of cognitive dissonance in ensuring your personal safety with a cell phone and a baseball bat.

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Accidentally paid 500$ for an Enfield marked DP. am i fucked?

>>34739256
delete the image please

>>34735949
Why do hate to see a group of people all having a pleasant conversation about something they are passionate about? What makes you see a thread will no real shit posting and think 'man do I hate these folks!'
>kys

>>34739256

No, you'll just have to wait for about 20 years for it to be worthwhile.

>>34738718
Hey everyone, get a load of this faggot.

>>34739256
Used DP parts to make a poor enfield into a great one, get a poor enfield now

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>>34739256
I hope the fucking retard that did that to his own grandfather's rifle is being haunted mercilessly by his grandpa.

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ABANDON SHIP
GO GO GO GO

>>34739698
>>34739698
>>34739698

New thread up and running sir!

>>34725298
you're on /k/, anon posted an older bolt gun with a box mag, how do you not know what clip is referring to?

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>>34720116
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