"NORTH KOREA CAN NOW HIT MOST OF THE UNITED STATES"

>>34719095
china has badly mishandled this. They should have acceded to a military intervention and perhaps even participated in a limited sense in return for SK promises in relation to US military bases near their border. Instead pandora's box will be opened while china is in the cuckshed and has to take what its dealt.

>>34719095
So North Korea is not allowed to have ICBM's but USA is? That's so racist

>>34719095
So what?

File: 1476584118301.jpg (29KB, 360x640px) Image search: [Google]

29KB, 360x640px

>>34719095
>Time to send them back to the Stone Age
Why? We are dealing with an actual state with actual people who have a sense of self preservation. The regime seeks to insure itself and it has decided that nuclear weapons are the way to do it, and honestly they've guessed correctly. This gives them leverage to do business outside of China without the USA sanctioning them to hell and back
North Korea will never amass a stockpile to be an existential threat to anyone but its closest neighbors, and it has had the capability to destroy its neighbors for some time but it doesn't. The current state of North Korea isn't that of a country who's going to attack and go to war with everyone under the sun but rather of a country that would be facing annihilation if it didn't have A) China and B) Nukes. And Relying on china is not a good idea, given how china wants to expand its own influence in our modern world, and NK knows that they are more of Hindrance than a help for china, and they fear getting cut off. Nukes would allow them to take control of the situation themselves, without having to be completely subservient to daddy china.
Basically nukes are valid way for NK to get breathing room and ensure its own survivability in a world that would all too happy to remove them like the cold war relic they are

>>34719095
kinda interesting that they developed ICBM's under the trump/maga administration. Wonder what orangetinyhands is going to do about it.

I'm betting nothing.

File: 1501306184175.gif (1MB, 320x180px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 320x180px

>>34719095
Inb4 San Francisco and LA fags get obliterated

File: 1480162351537.jpg (26KB, 435x322px) Image search: [Google]

26KB, 435x322px

>Time to send them back to the Stone Age.

not really since there isn't really any chance of them ever using them

thanks to mid-course ABMs and general nork shittiness whether their missiles would actually damage anything in the CONUS is uncertain

what is certain is that Kimmy and his generals(and a million other norks) would be ass-raped to death by a massive depressed trajectory Trident shot(as in an entire Ohio's war-load ) long before their missile was even picked up by Beale

>>34719095
Is their new ICBM a proper siloed cold launch job or are they still using R-7esque response-time-of-a-molasses-tortise hot launch missles launched from a goddamn launch pad like they're cobra commander or some shit

>>34719118
I think the USA would be more willing to tolerate their missile programme if the Norks hadn't repeatedly fired upon ships unsolicited.

>>34719118
the real racism it's when israel threats to nuke iran for attempting to make a nuclear bomb

>>34719095
>NORTH KOREA CAN NOW HIT MOST OF THE UNITED STATES
IM-FUCKING-PLYING

Their delivery system is an enlargened SCUD missile, he will aim at New York and hit Manitoba.

>>34719243
>and it has had the capability to destroy its neighbors for some time
It really hasn't, both South Korea and China would have no trouble buttfucking Kim into the dirt.

>>34720062
but it wasn't and isn't worth the trouble, at least for the Sorks. China is more dangerous and thus nuclear weapons are created to ensure safety

>>34720140
Well yeah, I mean why poke the lobotomized panda with AIDS if you don't need to? You and your boys have rifles, but it'll probably be better if you avoid touching him as much as possible.

>>34719095
they have the missiles but they don't have the nukes to put on the missiles

>>34720730
They have some nukes, they've tested at least one, and they have some rockets, done plenty of tests of those.

Issue is that their rocket delivery system is just a fucking SCUD missile which means it'll have the equivalent accuracy of a smoothbore musket at 700 yards. And the musket ball is as easily affected by wind as a pingpong ball.

afaik it's questionable if their icbm can do a proper re-entry, there was some news the warhead collapsed during it, they probably should do several additional launches to make it actually able to deliver a nuke

>>34719095
>Norks
>working missiles
Video and pictures or fuck off.

>>34719095
Nah, let them nuke New York or LA first. It would be for the best. Then we can glass them.

>>34719095
>Like NOW.
Anon, generally you need to attack BEFORE your opponent gets a nuclear deterrent.

Also both Bush and Obama killed agreements to prevent ICBM testing, and now we are shocked that they are testing an ICBM. We knew this was coming for years and did nothing to stop it.

File: tacticalonionrings.png (324KB, 379x371px) Image search: [Google]

324KB, 379x371px

>>34721055
Orange County Suburbs fag here. Go ahead, their warheads can't be over Hiroshima/Nagasaki yields anyway.

File: Ayatollah-Ali-Khamenei_1.jpg (50KB, 620x388px) Image search: [Google]

50KB, 620x388px

>We'll take 100

>>34719582
>mid-course ABMs
The ABMs that have a 15% pk?

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/31/politics/north-korea-ejection-test-submarine-activity/index.html

Best Korea also testing out first strike capabilities. They also have 64 Diesel-Electric silent running subs capable of housing nuclear warheads. They would only need 1/6 of the nukes to get through to devastate the United States west coast.

>>34719095
Tough for them their missiles don't have nuclear warheads, since they lack the technology to make them small enough to fit.

>>34721125
it would actually be more difficult for them to build a small fissionable warhead than a thermonuclear warhead
sorry but you'll be glassed along with LA

>>34719095
Would it kill you to remember ABM's exist for the 5 seconds it takes you to flip your shit after you read these news stories?

>>34721335
it would kill you to think ABMs are at all effective against an incoming nuclear warhead salvo

>>34721335
GBI has an intercept rate of 50% (in testing, so reduce it by probably half for real life conditions), and THAAD can't stop DT submarine shots

>>34721327
Their high score in testing is still sub Hiroshima

>>34721872
>testing

Tests tend to be proof of concept, anon.

If they manage a MIRV concept with 6 hiroshimas that hit in a cluster so their radiaa don't overlap too much, they have a better area of effect than a single warhead thats 10x hiroshima.

That's why the US does it. More warheads = less chance of interception = larger area of effect = better weapon. Plus its cheaper to make smaller warheads and a more complicated delivery system than a cheap ass delivery system with a much larger warhead.

Plus they have a 30kt nuke warhead tested. They are beyond WW2 nukes. Not as modern as anything AFTER WW2 but for a country thats under every fucking sanction under the sun and is doing everything domestically without international input - supposedly- and aid, they are still doing well.

>>34721317
>64 Diesel-Electric silent running subs capable of housing nuclear warheads

40+ midget or coastal subs and 26 Romeo or Whiskey class?

This is extremely worrying because they already have a functioning deterrent (they still exist after all). Nobody will attack them because it's not worth it. Rather, this is an offensive deterrent. The end goal of North Korea is reunification, and being able to strike the United States would further that goal greatly.
>Norks can't beat America
>Norks may or may not be able to beat South
>at the same time America has been extremely reluctant to seriously push Norks beyond muh sanctions
>get a bunch of nukes together
>invade South
>aim nukes at America
>declare that if a single American aircraft or missile or soldier engages a Nork target, they nuke us
>reunify peninsula
Look at it from Kim's life perspective. Every time his family has detonated a nuclear weapon, or tested a missile, or shelled a random fucking island, or shot down aircraft, America has threatened to do something meaningful and then doesn't. This has been the case since Nixon. They push and push and nothing happens. It's not just America either. For fuck's sake China and Russia are now claiming that last missile test was actually not an ICBM because reasons. They're too fucking scared to even admit basic facts because then they might have to do something. You know why the Norks push regularly? To reassure themselves that when it happens nobody except the South will be willing to fight back.

I genuinely believe that North Korea intends to invade South Korea, and the longer the world makes up excuses for not destroying them immediately the worse it will be.

>>34722579

The US fucked up.

China prevented any intervention in North Korea since it was the primary investment market for US production for years.

Now China is too large a risk to fail so the US can't attack North Korea since they treat NK as their proxy state to keep the US off their borders in the same way they keep Pakistan happy and loyal to make a proxy against India.

There's literally no way that the US can invade NK now with nukes involved. That makes North Korea a literal big player and regional power since anyone bar China can't threaten them now unless SK gets nukes and there's no fucking chance that China will allow that with their dreams of SE Asia being in their pocket.

The US focused too much on Middle Eastern fuckery and the Saudis are running circles around them there.

In Asia, they focused too much on Japan and not enough on South Korea retaking the North for some reason despite Japan being an untouchable at the time due to a lack of actual resources worth taking.

It's not that the US is bad at the geopolitics game. They had Europe in their pockets for years via anti-USSR sentiment but SE Asia was always the true investors dream.

The US should have focused more on supporting Thailand, Indonesia and making Korea whole than protecting Japan for little gains.

>being legit concerned with NK threats
Y'all are fucking retards or MSM shills.

>>34722091
It's all meaningless without countermeasures and decoys.
That's not in sight yet for NK, and neither is guidance to deliver your spread pattern.

>>34719095
Haha this is great, you faggots were talking shit about them during their last test but now its a big deal? lel.

>>34723948
It isn't a big deal, it's propaganda actually.
Like it was with the Iraq war.

>>34719095
and the united states can hit all of north korea, i don't think anyone would say anything if they tried to attack the us and they fought back, plus he's not THAT stupid....is he?

>>34719243
DPRK is already sanctioned to hell and back, even China is getting on the economic war train.

>>34719118
It isnt racist, its a violation of the Nuclear non-proliferation treaty. Which they signed. While they DID pull out of it, they have continued to be extremely belligerent.

This isnt "South Africa makes nukes, gets bored, and turns them over", this is "man running down the streets with a frag grenade shouting about Imperialist oppression while simultaneously torturing his family and threatens to blow up anyone around him".

At some point, the law doesnt protect you.

>>34723837
>US officials are MSM shills now
wew

>>34726945
>the MSM has NEVER shilled for the interests of Washington

SHALL

>>34728380
>SHALL
WE BEGIN

>>34728380
WE PLAY A GAME

>>34728402
faggot

File: 2slow.jpg (104KB, 900x815px) Image search: [Google]

104KB, 900x815px

>>34728406

>>34723474
>China into southeast asian islands pissing off Japan and others
>Best korea into IBCMs and other Korea actually feeling threatened
>India and china into military standoff over bhutan
Is it going to be the asian great war?

>>34719499
And nothing of value was lost that day

>>34719814
Their current ICBM capability is equal to what we had in the 50's.

>>34719116
What does China have to lose? If it can get Nork to nuke the US it'll be the uncontested superpower of the world.

>>34730397
back in the 50ss usa could make a nuclear air to air missile with a 100kg 1.5kt warhead, i think it's out of what norks can do

>>34719243
>This gives them leverage to do business outside of China without the USA sanctioning them to hell and back

No not really. What are they gonna do, nuke Japan or SK if Trump doesn't lift the sanctions? Sure go for it, then the US will have all the justification to empty their stockpiles of missiles/bombs on NK.

>>34720140
>Sorks
Sorth Koreans?

>>34730457
Worst Koreans

>>34727023
>msm shilling on mongolian hamster milking website

Yeah OK.

>>34730519
So then Works?

>>34730397
Not even.

>>34730528
You new here?

Mind you the topic of the thread is dumbass faggot OP posting a link to an MSM article shilling this narrative.

>>34730584
Ok, explain how. Not trying to start shit, just genuinely interested.

File: SCUD.jpg (879KB, 2448x3264px) Image search: [Google]

879KB, 2448x3264px

>>34730636
The Tampon Dong is essentially a bigger SCUD missile.

SCUD missiles was a technology that the USSR would distribute to it's allies to serve as a delivery system for WMDs, primarily nukes and chemical weapons. Y'know, the whole Cold War thing with mutually assured destruction. They can also use conventional explosive warheads, a seen in numerous middle eastern shitflinging in the 80's and 90's.

Thing is that they're actually unbelievably inaccurate at longer ranges.
The idea of aiming one from North Korea, towards say, Manhattan, and the missile hitting inside the metropolitan area at all, is kind of slim.
That's farther than anyone has ever fired one to my knowledge, god knows where it'd land, but it sure as fuck wouldn't be New York.
Nevermind the fact that American Patriot Missiles were developed for the explicit purpose of shooting down SCUDs and similar rockets, the Navy has this in it's pockets.

>>34720051
what did grain silos ever do to you?

>>34730519
So, Works

>all the commie faggots in this thread going 'nuuuuh dunt hurt muh norks they cant hurt anyone muh isolationism FUCK DRUMPF GLOBALIST FAGGOT'
I wanna remove Nork just to make these people get their panties twisted even more honestly.

>>34719499
just a pipe dream for now

>>34721327
>it would actually be more difficult for them to build a small fissionable warhead than a thermonuclear warhead

are you retarded? do you know how thermonuclear weapons work? would it not be more difficult to make a thermonuclear warhead with both a fission and fusion stage small enough to fit on a missile than it would be to make just a pure fission warhead?

also, implying that thermonuclear is inherently significantly larger than pure fission

>>34730155
The silver lining would be getting to see the tremendous comedy that would be naval warfare between China and India.

I really hope norks nuke California i'd lmfao

>>34719095
>Test one class of missile they haven't even managed to build in any good amount of numbers, let alone arm with serious weaponry

So it's fucking nothing? Come on guys, the US has enough interception weaponry to take down a few fucking missiles. We wouldn't stand a chance against a nuclear superpower going all out, but some gooks who are just now managing to catch up to early soviet level tech? Oh, yeah I'm quaking in my boots.

That said I would find it funny if the US glassed the whole place, so by all means continue with the fear mongering.

>>34730771
Taepodong is way different than the one they tested last week though and has a much different flight profile than a SCUD. PATRIOT also isn't very well suited for incoming long range ABM intercepts because you would have to know where it would end up (roughly), but I agree that getting the missile to hit what you want it to hit is a totally different story compared to plunking one in the Sea of Japan every once in a while, assuming it even gets off the ground lol

>>34730872
The psychological impact of a country nuking the US would be devastating, even if it was low yield, fission only, and in the middle of nowhere. It would shatter the centuries old idea of the US's apparent invulnerablity from potential adversaries because of distance

>>34730979

It'd be another 9/11 wake up moment but one taken to excess. It'd also shatter the notion of deterrence because unless they nuked us in revenge for us attacking/invading them it would mean they looked at our nuclear array and decided it was worth the gamble.

Also on this topic you can thank Barack Obama and Hillary for making it clear if you ever do give up your nuclear weapons program it just means we'll bide our time and regime change you at our leisure. Fucking idiots didn't consider the long-term ramifications of the Libyan intervention and now every single would be dictator knows if you get nukes and be chill (like the norks until now) the US will 100% leave you alone. If you don't get nukes you will be regime changed (saddam), and worse, if you give up your attempt to get nukes and even fucking cooperate with them they will still regime change you when they feel like it.

I would find the Iranians downright stupid if they weren't cheating the nuclear deal and working to get themselves a nuke. It's entirely rational now to seek out a nuclear program if you are hostile to the United States because that is the one absolutely effective and proven so deterrence.

>>34731004
t. Dr. Strangelove
god it pisses me off how right you are

>>34731004
They would most likely nuke Japan or worst Korea with a proven system if a coalition invaded, and I agree, they've slowly been working up from joke tier to maybe this is serious tier for the last 20 years, and absolutely nothing has been done about it

>>34731004
>thank Barack Obama and Hillary

and bush jr. and bush senior, and bill . . . once the cold war ended it has been the only way to positively stop western intervention in its tracks.

>>34731042

While there is blame for Bush Jr with Iraq I think the Libya and Iraq situation is different. In Libya Gaddafi saw what happened to Saddam's recalcitrance and decided to shape up and behave. So he gave up his program despite not being directly in the crosshairs. I can't say how far along it was though I swore I remember someone being horrified at how much further along they were than we thought. It was deterrence against pursuing nuclear weapons.

With Libya Gaddafi had behaved, he gave up his weapons program, cooperated with us, had relations with the US opened again https://2001-2009.state.gov/secretary/rm/2006/66235.htm and from what I remember reading about the Libyan War and the leadup we were doing economic investment and so on. He wasn't supporting terrorism either as much as he did before or at all (I don't know). His reward was being regime changed because we saw the opportunity, since Assad has been butchering more people than Gadaffi could have hoped to and he's sitting peachy.

Though I need to edit what I said - the blame is on Sarkozy, Cameron and Obama/Hillary equally. According to the British parliamentary inquiry Sarkozy was the original proponent of Libyan intervention/regime change, he got Cameron on board, and then the Americans got on board. As much as I dislike Obama I would place more blame on Hillary and that liberal chickenshit hawk Samantha Powers

Right now Iraq 2003 is still the bigger disaster but I think as a long term consequence Libya will be. Unless disobedient states forget the lesson

And like >>34731032 says you're right in blaming the previous presidents since Bill clinton for passing the buck on dealing with North Korea. Imagine if we had solved this back in the 90s when they first got the nukes?

>>34731042

Both Bushes and Bill didn't invade a dictatorial regime that cooperated with the US in disarming their WMDs. Only those two did with Libya.

>>34730979
>The psychological impact of a country nuking the US would be devastating, even if it was low yield, fission only, and in the middle of nowhere. It would shatter the centuries old idea of the US's apparent invulnerablity from potential adversaries because of distance

not untrue but entirely unrelated to the post you replied to