French Weapons

>>34716162
Is that a Famas?

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>>34716180
That's a MR-73 you dingus

>>34716180
lol

>>34716162
Most French guns are good. Manurhin revolvers are some of the best six guns ever made. The MAS 49/56 is also a really good rifle unless Century has Bubbafucked them into .308

>>34716232
>The MAS 49/56 is also a really good rifle unless Century has Bubbafucked them into .308

Wikipedia says the French conversions to .308 were fine. I wonder what the fuck Century did.

>>34716259
I really don't know, but they have a terrible reputation among guys who collect French guns. Still, it's Century, so buyer beware anyways.

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>>34716162

>>34716224
welcome to summer/k/amp. i see this is your first time here. it might be kind of scary being around a bunch of strangers, but i assure you the friends you make here will last a lifetime :D. To help you get settled in let me give you a good rule to follow.
>lurk moar faggot

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>>34716162
Beautiful

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They're absolutely erotic.

Such a fucking shame that the French firearms industry has basically fallen apart.

>>34716764
My penis is now diamonds

>Such a fucking shame that the French firearms industry has basically fallen apart.
France's greatest tragedy IMO

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>>34716764
That's a very sexy gun

>>34716764
Destroyed by left wing politicians and their ever tightening gun laws, more precisely.

>>34716692
Cringe

>>34717951
if the other guy wasnt hunter i'd call you the actual cringe cus only faggots use that word

>>34717984
What if im a faggot

>>34718073
then you're a double faggot

>>34717099
Someone said that it was mostly under right wing administration like Sarkozy when armaments factories went under
Never trust the cuckservatives either they will restrict guns to only cops and retired cops if they could

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>>34716440
I trust that the ceramic trauma plate I'm wearing will stop a .357 Magnum round traveling at four-hundred and ninety meters per second. I trust myself not to move, not to flinch. I trust my team mates and they trust me.

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>>34716225
heheh LOL EKs DEe

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>be at local gunshow
> pass a table selling stripper clips
> notice that they're selling "label clips"
>friend tries correcting the woman at the tabel
>she tell us that there's more than one kind of 8mm
MFW this whole ordeal

>>34718721
Montagne has the best operator video
https://youtu.be/1Vp9d3Ph3WQ

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I love my 1950's MAPF D4 .22lr pistol. Very reliable, but the barrel is a bit shot out so accuracy somewhat weak. Still, she's quiet and smooth and with the slide lock added quieter still, with no brass dropped.

>>34718721
Wrong operator image ya dingus.

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>>34720849

>>34720920
Did I hurt your feelings, bro?

>>34720953
No why would you think that

>>34718229
St-Etienne was the last state owned company to go under, but there's been plenty of others before that, not to mention private companies. Gun laws pushed by socialists and communists (yes, the litteral communist party), mostly those of 1995 and 1998, destroyed the private market, and thus many companies like Manurhin had no choice but to shut down.
Not that cuckservatives are any better, the 2012 gun law was voted by both socialists and "right wingers". (Although they were only 4 guys voting in an empty assembly, late at night, hurray for "democracy"). There is no real right wing in France, and there hasn't been since De Gaulle. All of them are authoritarian socialists and want private ownership of firearms banned altogether. All of them.
Now that Macron has enshrined the state of emergency into common French law, prefincts have supreme authorities over us peasants and can take away all of our weapons at any time without any legal process or any justification. Guess what's going to happen next?

Franchi. And only the spas 12

That's it.

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>>34721382
Dear god, this better be bait

>>34721371
>fugging gommies D:
The private firearm market in France is 95% 22lr carbines and hunting rifles, so the change made by the gun laws had a limited effect. Some people gave away their guns when they needed registration, but most still have them, either registreded, or illegally but tolerated because nobody gives a fuck. Hell, in my village, everyone's armed while hunting and shooting licenses are rare, and most people even shoot in their backyards.
Plus, the 2013 laws actually made it easier to get many milsurp weapons (bolt actions in original calibres), the conditions to own pistols, semi autos haven't changed, and pump action shotguns require authorization but aren't banned anymore.

The real problem about French gun laws isn't what you:re allowed to own, but what you're allowed to do. No self defence, no shooting outside of gun ranges, no carrying.

And the right wing and free market politics killed the French weapon industry. Privatisation of the military manufacturers, coupled with the austerity related budget cuts in the defense budget, sank the French military industry. In fact, its golden age was in the 50s to 70s, when everything was state owned, under a common agreement between the conservative Gaullists and the back then strong Communist Party.

>>34721382
Retard award.

>>34721430
Oh yeah, Marie George Buffet totally didn't create the gun laws of 1995, she wasn't the one who made it mandatory to have a license to own a gun, she wasn't the one who pushed the 3 controlled shooting sessions a year, she wasn't the one who made us need an authorization for semi-auto rifles in civilian calibers that up until then were completely unregulated and didn't need registration. She didn't say "there are too many guns in private hands in France". Yeah, it totally wasn't the fault of the communist party. Bruno Le Roux and Bernard Cazeneuve aren't socialists either, and one isn't so corrupt he had to resign, he didn't write a book about how he has been wanting to ban all guns for the last 20 years too.

Oh wow, the state and the communist party are actually our friends, never realised that!

The latest gun law was made in 2012, not 2013, and you're obviously only showing the bright side of it "hurr muh nugget!". Never mind that shotguns that aren't semi-auto now need to be registered and stored in a safe, never mind that suppressors and magazines are now regulated, never mind that magazines with a capacity over 30 for rifles and 20 for handguns are banned, never mind that weapons can be put in a tighter category or banned as will simply with an amendement, and that's how guns such as revolving carbines went from category C to category B in a matter of days afer the first ones were imported.
Shit, those laws are actually a blessing, aren't they? Never mind that they banned all guns that are belt fed, like only a month ago.
And with the EU gun ban, that has been largely pushed by France, Cazeneuve and Le Roux pressuring the EU comission with "muh victims of terrorism" as the bodies of the Bataclan weren't even cold, voted by socialists, communists and greens, who said that this is a right step even though it isn't going far enough because they want everything banned.

>>34721430
>>34721509
Mais de toute manière tu t'en bas les couilles, ça ne t'affecte pas parce que tu ne possède pas d'armes n'est-ce pas ? A par peut-être une .22 de merde puisque selon toi c'est 95% du marché.

>>34721512
Ben ouais, je m'en bats un peu les couilles vu que j'ai refilé mon mauser yougo à mon père il y a 2 ans avant de partir bosser à l'étranger...

>>34721509
Swiss guy here, when I look at France's politics, it always struck me that it seems absolutely everyone is authoritarian, that your only choice is either a leftie who wants to control your life or a rightie to control your life.

Where the fuck is the option for freedom? Why the fuck is France so authoritarian when it has done nothing for you other than erode your rights, fuck your economy and draw in crime and terrorism? It even chipped away at your culture! Your government's desire to centralise has almost entirely killed off what once was a fantastic diversity of local dialects and languages, and replaced it with the truck driving sort of diversity.

>>34722921
Way to conflate several things into one.

>>34716764

The french firearms industry has basicaly collapsed because the military wanted to play with american toys. That and the french bashing who stopped the worldwild sales.

amx leclerc

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is that a PAMAS ?

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>>34721430
>No self defence, no shooting outside of gun ranges
Belle désinfo.
http://www.arpac.eu/la-legitime-defense-exemples-recents-en-france/

>>34718090
more likely a faggot square. May he die in a corner

>>34722921
french fag here. the swiss guy is sadly right.

Local dialects were pretty much destroyed by the state and the church.

Breizh atao!!!

>>34724557
>MR73
>€1900

What? I bought mine new for €1200 maybe 7 years ago?

>>34716259
>I wonder what the fuck Century did
>they have a terrible reputation among guys who collect guns

It's just a shit company lad

>>34716162
Get a MAS-36 if you're into surp/bolt action, it's fucking vintage.

>>34725155
Where at?

>>34722921
They needed authoritarian centralism to kill off monarchism and the Church (and it still took over a century). The fact that our neighbors jumped on the occasion to try and gut us every generation or so actually made things easier by providing an external enemy. WW1 was pretty much the nail in the coffin.

>>34724649
Local dialects were probably more affected by technical progress (industrialization, railroads, radio) than political will (conscription and schooling), but it's not as sexy. Although it's true that in Brittany the Church pushed French through catechism somewhat early, but then again French had been the administrative language of the Duchy for centuries since most of their population lived in the French-speaking part (reminder that Rennes and Nantes have never been at any point in time Breton-speaking, but have been seized by Breton dukes over the Franks during the end of the Carolingian empire).

>>34725394
I'm French so I couldn't tell you where to get them in the US. But lots of them have been made, shouldn't be hard to find.

>>34725062
>7 years ago
Nigga, a Sig550 is like 1000€ more compared to 2 years ago where I live

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>>34725425
You need to keep the church and convert or the muslims will grow more. Like 3/4ths of the knight orders were French based right?

>>34716162
I like berthiers, where do I get clips for them?

Anyone here own a lebel 1886?

>>34725842
>Anyone here own a lebel 1886
You actually found one?

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Belgian > French

this is now FN thread

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>>34726504
This is a French thread

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>>34726504
>>34726783
Waffle here , ikn we make great weapons but like he said this is a french thread

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>>34726858
Why is there a Hispanic man in that picture?

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>>34726858
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COsdeo1xAus

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>>34726875
He looks like he is from Corse , french owned island between Algeria and france

>>34716162
No. French are pretty good when it comes to designing guns. The FAMAS only got beef because parts hadn't been made since 2000 and they were ultra worn out.

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>>34726899

>>34726388
I found a m16 berthier. I wanna find a lebel.

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>>34726916

>>34726858
Nice picture desu , but isnt that guy fucking up the barrel like that ?

>>34720953
You usually get hot when you see something you like

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>>34726916
what gun? is that? pic super duper unrelated

>>34723055
looks like a skeleton

>>34727014
It's a 416c.

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>>34727014
FAMAS FELIN , it got canceled and instead the regulars will have HK416
It basicly had a ghost recon type of functionalities that came with it (helmet cam , thermal , motion sensors).
But im sure it will be back in 2030's maybe

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>>34727128
>>34727014
when the gun you wanted to know about actually was a famas

>>34724557
merci pour le lien

>>34726976
Ah, sorry, looked up the image but found mostly anime references and was left feeling puzzled. And like what I'd fine with a beaten up old Unique D4 had offended you.

>>34728116
Ack! Phone autocorrect messing up. What I'd 'done' not fine.

>>34720953
>>34728116
>>34728130
≥being this new

>>34718870

There is.

>>34716180
Do you have the m14 ebr? It'd my favorite gun from call of duty

>>34719315
Ash and kapkan are bretty gud too

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>>34716180
fpbp

>>34728172
Nah, been here some years, but I remain a romantic. While acknowledging that many are here to sling mud, I trust that some come to glean information and some vague sense of camaraderie. So I slip up, big deal. Tomorrow's another day, we all get older, maybe we'll learn something.

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>>34729456

I'M A FUCKING FAGGOT

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>>34716180
I chuckled

>>34726927
I love the fact that they're still using wood components on rifles.

>>34728182
Oh I know that, the problem is that she labled Berthier clips as "Label clips" and gave us that response when being corrected. She also was selling some Kar98 and M95 clips.

>>34720849
That's a nice piece you got there senpai. Hold on it.
>>34724557
also this. Self defense with weapons, including firearms, is very regulated in France but far from impossible. What makes it borderline impossible is the lack of carrying rights though. Even for a simple knife.

>>34727014
That's a french navy Famas G2. 1990. New polymer body with less glass fiber, big trigger guard to fire with gloves, USGI/AR15 compatible magwell as well as FNH high reliability magazines, and 1:9" twist rate barrel to stabilise both 55 and 62 grain ammo.

A few were exported.

>>34727128
The Famas felin is far from being "cancelled". It's pretty much everywhere alongside its little brother the famas valorisé "low profile" with two rails on top. You can this one a lot in recent video games. Their only common point is their new Berreta-made 1:7" twist rate barrel with which they can finally fire M855.

>>34726875
>>34726899
Holy shit.

This guy is probably from French Polynesia or Wallis and Futuna or even New Caledonia. A lot of them enlist.

You've never seen a Corsican in your life anon, because that's very retarded.

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I like the Mas-38. I think the trigger being the safety is pretty clever.

>harder to shoot accidentally because why you pulling the trigger if you don't want to shoot
>harder to forget to disengage the safety when you want to shoot since you're going to be pulling the trigger anyways in order to shoot

>>34731385
I don't why but it always looks bent or messed up. I'm sure it's a decent weapon but it looks like the Thompson's retarded brother

>>34729731
we already knew that

>>34718229
>Never trust the cuckservatives either they will restrict guns to only cops and retired cops if they could
Definitely.

>>34731450
It's because of the lines on the receiver.

>>34730960
t. Corsican

>>34730909
>Their only common point is their new Berreta-made 1:7" twist rate barrel with which they can finally fire M855.
Why would anyone want to fire that shitty round?

>>34732962
Lmao, pretty opposite to that actually.

>>34733113
Opposite to corse ? You from the south ?

>>34733167
I think he mean Lille or some stuff like that

>>34724557
"Restricted weapons are, for instance --- and all weapons with a magazine holding more than 10 rounds and less than 31."
Well shit time to go to France and get me some drum mags and belt feds with kilometre long belts.

>>34716259
>>34716310
I could be completely wrong but from what ive heard the way century did the conversions makes makes the guns more susceptible to wear and eventually they tend to crack their recievers.

>>34723055
Isn't Pinfire kind of shitty, though ?

>>34716692
>namefag can't trip

>>34733454
Over 30 is forbidden territory as opposed to restricted.

>>34726504
That looks like a chinese airshit scope...

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Question for Eurofriends:
I occasionally see Europeans doing military reenactments (like >>34729079). How do Europeans get antique military firearms? Do any European countries make a distinction between "modern" guns and "antique" guns, like the US does? If I was French, and I wanted a Lebel, how would I find one? Just go to my local gun shop and hope they have WWI stuff?

>>34734004
When they're doing big events, it's just reproductions, I'm not even sure they're actual working firearms

>>34733853
It probably is.

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>>34724557
can anyone fill me in on why does a revolver cost 1900 euros
and
is there more pictures like this showing how to get guns in different countries ?

>>34734205
is that really a claymore?

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>>34734272
seems so

>>34734272
Yes, and it's inert duh.

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This is actually not a Lebel, it's a Gras rifle with a Kropatschek tube magazine, mle 1885

>>34725756
>Nigga, a Sig550 is like 1000€ more compared to 2 years ago where I live

That's true, but that's just SAN SwissArms being stupid. They raised it that much in a single day.

>>34734004
>I occasionally see Europeans doing military reenactments (like >>34729079). How do Europeans get antique military firearms? Do any European countries make a distinction between "modern" guns and "antique" guns, like the US does? If I was French, and I wanted a Lebel, how would I find one? Just go to my local gun shop and hope they have WWI stuff?

Up until a few years ago, stuff like a 98K or SMLE were all "free to own" without permits, as long as you had no ammo for it.
Now you do need a permit. Thanks stupid politicians.

The only shit which remains without a permit is original black powder guns.

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>>34734004
If the gun is an original and it was made before 1900, it is freely accessible to any adult purchaser.
If the gun is a modern reproduction of a model anterior to 1900 and it does not use metallic cartridges (ie:muskets), it's freely accessible to any adult purchaser.

If the gun is an original made after 1900, it requires a license.
If the gun is a modern reproduction of a gun made before 1900 and uses metallic cartridges, it requires a license.

So :
An original Lebel 1886 modèle 93 will not require a license.
A reproduction of a Winchester 1873 will.

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>>34734545
Fascinating, thank you! Where do you find pre-1900 guns? Are Lebels, Berthiers, etc. common enough that you kind find them in your local gun store? In the US there's a number of online stores that carry surplus stuff, is there a French (or European in general) equivalent?

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>>34734948
All my local gun stores have closed years ago... Thankfully we have our own websites for that stuff.

>>34734545
It's not the time when it was made that counts, but the time when it was designed.
Example : a Swedish Mauser was designed in 1896, meaning it is unregulated, even if the one you're buying was made in 1905.

There are several exceptions to this too. Every gun that is from the Berthier, SMLE or G98 system require a license, even though they were obviously designed and produced before 1900.

>>34734948
You could find them in gun shops, but it's really random. Your best best is Naturabuy

Exemple :
http://www.naturabuy.fr/Fusils-mousquetons-pre-1900-Lebel-critere-527720.html

>>34716259
The frogs actually straight-up rebuilt them with new barrel assemblies. The monkeys at Century chopped the barrels down, drilled out new chambers, and then chopped the hand guards down an equal length so that they fit. Not joking.

I had a Mab model D in .32 acp. It came with some funky aftermarket plastic grips with a stupid thumb rest, but I found the correct grips on Numrich.

It was a fine little plinker, it would print 3" groups at 50 feet, and held target with mag dumps.

I'm now sorry I traded it.

>>34737731
The funky plastic trips are often standard with French pistols. The Unique line often had stock plastic trips which looked like ugly gold bowling balls.

>>34737776
Grips... Grrrrrr

>>34737776
>ugly gold bowling balls.

Ha! The grips the Mab came with looked like a grey-black swirl bowling ball. I think the importer put them on for some reason. When I got the proper stock grips, I think I just threw the old ones away, and I never do that.

>>34724557
If ARPAC is seriously the only pro-gun and self-defense organization in France, and they only have 5k followers on Twitter, then you guys are seriously fucked. Do Europeans have a boot-licking fetish or something?

>>34734004
Replicas, idiot. You now, we still have the blueprints and weapon factory's.

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[Honhonhon Intérieurement]

>>34738417
https://youtu.be/FKdn4tV4kzc

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>>34716232
They're not all disasters. I guess I lucked out as far as I can tell.
It had some minor issues at first with grabbing the next round from the mag, but seems to have worked itself out.

>>34741078
>Not 1917
Sad.

>>34738417
*jaloux*

>>34741078
Would an ft-17 be useful for riot control

>>34741583
Maybe?

>>34741583
I don't know the origin of that pic >>34741078, but I'm sure any armored vehicle would be useful for riot control. Even without a machine gun, it would still be a useful platform to throw tear gas grenades or ram the crowd. And, it's small enough to be transported on a truck.

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>>34741978

lol. wow, my nigga!! you got some really russian plans here!

>>34733547
Why would I trip? My balance is perfect. I'd like to see you're fat ass run a course.

>>34729551
stop.

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>>34716764
>Such a fucking shame that the French firearms industry has basically fallen apart.
More like it was purposely killed, much like the rest of our industry. Such is life in neoliberal western Europe.

>>34717035
That's a very sexy girl.

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>>34731385
Check out the police version.

>>34742746
Why would they still make it. How are they still making it

>>34724557
>simply restricted from average citizens
>tfw french castes