So /k/, if full helmets ever become standard headgear for armed

>if
They wont. Before we can fix flaws in full headgear we will already have had automated warfare

>>34715707
This. They brought them in specifically for vehicle gunners and even they ditched them when they could. Even with air flow and not considering weight concerns, there's something unpleasant about having something catching breath right in front of your mouth in a hot environment.

>>34715707
Alright then let's pretend we magically get the technology down pat tomorrow and manufacture them cheap enough and in great enough number to supply them to our country's army, then repeat the hypothetical question.

>>34715756
This kind of shit already exists. Just look at ski masks or dive masks and that kind of shit. All the designs are basically the same, with minor variations.

>>34715789
This. The goggles on those, and even paintball masks, are shaped the way they are for a reason. Optimal protection, without trading away peripheral vision.

>>34715789
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>>34715814
We're also talking functional heads up display being projected on the inside of the visor and climate control to keep your head cool.

>>34715828
You wouldn't want anything star warsy.
At its best you'd want a motorcycle helmet with Google glass technology on something bulletproof.

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>>34715896
so something like this? new poster btw

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>>34715896
>>34717192
or this?

>>34717192
All fun and games until ISIS starts weaponizing sandpaper

>>34717192
ODST or Spartan II helmets is probably about what you'd get

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>>34715676
>cooling

And there's the chokepoint. If you could ever manage to create a system with sufficient battery storage to maintain sufficient cooling for the operator, you would probably be better off sticking a robot in there instead of a person.

>>34715676
>HUD interface
HUDs for "boots on the ground" infantry is pants-on-head retarded. Having info pop up in your line of sight while you're trying to operate will get you killed. You're better off with an earpiece and a robot/remote intel officer reading the info to you.

>cooling
Without Freon it's just a fan, and the machinery to utilize Freon will be too big for you to wear on your head while modern warfare is a thing.

>bulletproof materials
No such thing.

Go back to school or do some research, get an education in mechanical engineering and chemistry, then come back and we'll try this conversation again.

>>34715676
>>34715756
A clear outer protective visor, a display visor inside, and the cameras offset onto the helmet, where the nightvision mount would be.

This way changing batteries, going outside from a dark room, if something breaks, etc don't fuck your life up.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-aW69dH4Vc

>>34715676
PROTIP :
getting hit with any remotely powerful round while wearing a level IV plate will
-bruise your ribs at best
-break your ribs at medium
-crush your lungs with your ribs at worse

Do you want to know what would happen if you got shot in the face while wearing balistic fullface mask?

broken neck aka vegetable tier disability.

>but muh motorbike helmet?
your helmet is not designed to withstand an impact as localised as a bullet hit.
and even with decent neck retention straps it would limit your ability to turn your head or bob it
and head bobing is a BIG part of how a bipede keeps its balance...

So it's either bombsquad tier protection with the mobility induced by it or nothing but your usual anti schrapnel 80yr old design military helmet.

fuck, some german swat guy got capped in the head by a subhuman slime darkie two days ago in germafail.

They praised the fact that it saved the policeman

But there is at least a 80% chance the policeman will end his life in a motorised wheelcher fed by tubes without feeling his body ala "intouchable" or "bone collector"

we as a specie are weaker than bunnies our spine is fragile and the neck is the most fragile spot of it.

T ; someone who had to work with road disabled ppl and is suffering Little's "crouch gait" syndrome

>>34717411
>we as a specie are weaker than bunnies our spine is fragile and the neck is the most fragile spot of it.

Thats absolutely wrong.

We as a species are vulnerable to skull and neck trauma but can handle an absolutely absurd amount of chest and torso trauma before we go down.

In addition we have one of the dirtiest bites and most adaptable brains on the planet.

The point of helmets is to prevent brain trauma past a certain extent.

You can get people mostly recovered from severe concussions, you can't get people to recover from death.

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>>34717438
Ok kid tell me :
why do F1 pilots, military jets pilots, astronauts and eventually paratrooper have in common?
neck training, neck reinforcement, and at the end of career neck issues

and trust me death is a better alternative to total paraplegy whatever you might think after watching 'intouchable"

a headshot will be fatal via bloodloss, brain damage,and asphyxation via trachea damage

in WWI soldier got schrapnel or bullet to the face and either died or lived with mangled face

in the case of a ballistic helmet, even with motrcycle suit type spinal reinforcement you are at a heavy risk of vegging ..


the only design that might not vegetable you from such a blow is pic related because it has everything made to keep your spinal cord intact.
does it seems mobile enough for modern warfare? shit no

so it's either going full fallout power armor tier (ie efficiently motorised bombsquad suit) or bust.

but yea we are stronger than rabbits, until we start to look on stuff like ratio of height per damage in case of a fall, or elasticity or bones and articulation witch are relevant in the case of blunt force impact.

but feel free to masturbate to bobba fett and army of two design masks, there is a reason why it was never developped by any serouis force apart for low mobility entry team unit.

>>34717438

>In addition we have one of the dirtiest bites

are you aware that a 15lbs french bulldog has like 2 to 3 time the jaw strength of any human being including sasha grey?

>>34717783
That is misleading (in terms of ratio of height per damage in case of fall) since elephants, if they did fall, would be grievously injured while mice are not, it's just about force. A measure of toughness would be better served by raw Newtons required to cause injury, in which case a human (spine or whatever) would be much more durable than a rabbits.

>>34718025
I think he means "germs" by the dirty comment.

>>34718025
>>In addition we have one of the dirtiest bites
our spit allows us to bite and cause fast infection

>>34717783

speaking as a dude who flies fighters for a living, the reason we have back and neck injuries is because we don't always get our backs straight when we pull G's. instead, we have to look backwards or sideways. the more durable pilots learn to scoot their butt back into the seat and to get their helmet back against the headrest, or to just not strain their back too much.

>>34718138
and do you think a projectile launched at 2000fps will give you the time to tuck your head between your shoulders

>>34718083
yeah I know basics physics 101 but let me use another example : large apes, they have basically the same weight and height as us, yet they are way more resistant to fall damage (hopefully because most of them lives in trees)
why? because their squeleton is more adapted to torsion twisting and snapping, sadly this design don't allow for bipedal walk.

>>34718100
>>34718116
yeah because death by bite inflicted infection hour if not weeks after the fight is totally relevent inna survival of the fittest scenario and was something that helped us dominate the world; because our digestive system is totally adapted to eating infected animals.

cavemen were scavengers ok, not red on yellow snakes.

>>34718353
>gorilla's have the same weight and height as us

>>34717411
>getting hit with any remotely powerful round while wearing a level IV plate will
>-bruise your ribs at best
>-break your ribs at medium
>-crush your lungs with your ribs at worse
I always hear this but the video evidence shows that it's wrong.

>>34718374
orangutan : 110 to 140 cm
weight 40 to 80 kg

chimpanzees : height 130 to 175cm
weight 40 to 90 kg

I love how you are searching in vain to debunk my therories without slinging a single argument against what is said

So you and chimp around trying to move the goalpost...

>>34718419
pls nigger any video on modern hi power caliber or 12ga slug vs body armor will prove my point, of course it's better for you is the round don't go trough and your wearing trauma plates but the shock can still break your ribs,

but hey CPR never broke any ribs lad?

bye niggers have fun masturbating on how you'll hack your augmented reality balistic mask to replace all living being in your field of wiew by girl und panzer waifus.

it's time for me to sleep

>>34718519
>Britshit or other Eurokek
Oh

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>>34715676
Probably look like a streamlined helicopter pilot helmet with full coverage.

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>>34715676
>scope with that helmet.

>>34718519
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQi7iknSKy0

But yes, if you're hit with a heavier round it can break your ribs. Please leave emphasis on the "can". There's multitude of variable, including caliber, distances, weather, armor, and durability/strength of the person getting shot. Denser bones can be a lifesaver.

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>>34718556
oh wow he used non imperially retarded units he must be wrong !
summer day/kare at it's finest

have fun firing your guns @20yards on zombie target with primary arms 3x scope while I inch groups with 308 @100m (105+)yards for non sentient folks

>>34718643
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qSVOZfp3R4
okay not IV level but still
oh and people survived 600+ meter shot with x54r without body armor since it's adoption one century ago
at less than 100m? slighly less

and of course your cervical bones and spinal cord are stronger that your ribs of course...

>>34718519
>pls nigger any video on modern hi power caliber or 12ga slug vs body armor will prove my point,
What's a "hi power caliber"? As usual, dumb Eurofucks don't know what they're talking about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaS_2l8nGdg
If a .308 Winchester rifle isn't powerful enough for you, I don't know what is.

>muh neck breaking meme

He doesn't know about Revision's helmet/spine link.

>>34718374
not him but he isn't wrong in some ways. That being said, iirc humans have the POTENTIAL to be the largest primates because we can become very, very, very fat fucks.

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>>34718519
>comparing getting shot with body armor to CPR
You have to break ribs for CPR to be effective, body armor spreads the energy of a bullet impacting you brainlet fuck

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ODST helmet or bust.

>>34719199
Darker, pls

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>>34719199
>tfw you'll never be a space marine

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>>34717324
>Having info pop up in your line of sight while you're trying to operate will get you killed. You're better off with an earpiece and a robot/remote intel officer reading the info to you.
So don't install popup porn on your HUD. Seriously, what fucking idiot would design a HUD to randomly put data in front of your vision. Any similar issues would be found in development.

>Go back to school or do some research
Says the dude who doesn't understand UIs or software testing. Watch this talk if you want to see how good HUDs work and how simple it is for them to iterate on design. If X, test it, oh it doesn't work, try something else, tada it works.
https://youtu.be/f8an45s_-qs?list=WL&t=262

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>>34715676
pic is currently in use with british drivers and gunners. bretty much it'll look like a bullet proof motorcycle helmet as they're already designed around protection and visibility. see "skully" helmet about the HUD. also there are clip on HUD's available for helmets

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But what about TALOS?

>bulletproof helmet
Useless, power of the bullet would still break your neck if impact is absorved

>>34722046

There's been plenty of cases where those helmets worked and deflected bullets.

People still get fucked up because severe concussion but hey! It works

>>34722046
>be sir Isaac fucking Newton
>realize that every action has an equal and opposite reaction
>hear some fucking retard no guns state that getting hit with a bullet, even if it is deflected or absorbed by a helmet, will break your neck
>logic and that LAW OF PHYSICS you figured out would state that if the bullet had the force to break your neck, the recoil would easily sheer your collar bone
>achieve 3500 RPM in coffin.

>>34717411
>fuck, some german swat guy got capped in the head by a subhuman slime darkie two days ago in germafail.
>They praised the fact that it saved the policeman
>But there is at least a 80% chance the policeman will end his life in a motorised wheelcher fed by tubes without feeling his body ala "intouchable" or "bone collector"
lmfao, are you retarded? The policeman was saved by a kevlar helmet deflecting the bullet to the side slightly so it only grazed him instead of going through his brain. He didn't have his neck snapped.

>>34722644
Probably severely concussed mind you. But not dead and can recover.

>>34722660
Why the fuck would he have a concussion? The helmet and his neck didn't absorb most of the energy of the round.

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>>34715676
>what is visibility

>>34715814
>>34717379
these guys get it

If the helmet is a hindrance without power, it is likely that I will not be adopted by anyone other than larpers.

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>>34722034
It has a metal strip from which the helmet dangles, preventing muh broken neck meme.

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>>34723169
Here's the right pic of the spine.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7U5G3dvkLc
This is a video of prototype HUD design choices.

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>>34723169
And here's a Talos model, so you can see how it corresponds to the prototype.

>>34718621
It's a red dot, you dumb nigger

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>>34717411
Its not like this problem was solved hundreds of years ago or anything. Just attach the helmet to the back and shoulders with something that allows movement but prevents whiplash. Its not that hard to solve issues like this unless you absolutely try your best to be an autist.

>>34715676
Technically the bigger your visor the better it will be, so as long as the materials used are at least comparable to the opaque armor covering the rest of the helmet. A camera based solution is ideal because it can achieve a level of visibility far beyond what is practical or even possible with a standard see-through visor, however cost and power consumption will be a limiting factor. In the latter case it doesn't really matter how big the visor is because it is merely a backup for when the entire camera array fails.

The real problem to solve is how to keep water vapor off the screen and to be able to clean the insides without taking the helmet off. A mask can keep the nose and the mouth firmly separated from the eyes on up but it is possible for it to start blocking a lot of downwards vision (unless you're using cameras). An internal wiper could help with keeping the visor clean, it could easily be made manually operable with a lever somewhere.

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>>34717411
This is the dumbest meme ever, yet I'm almost sure this is posted unironically. Why do people have such a shit understanding of basic physics and anatomy?

>>34723523
>Its not that hard to solve issues like this unless you absolutely try your best to be an autist.
Really pisses me off when people here use all 5 of their brain cells to think up a dozen issues for an idea but don't spend one fucking second to think up the simple solutions

>>34717192
>reflective visor part continues way further than it needs to
>>34717200
>geometry ensures projectiles will skip directly into cameras

>>34717324
>you need to wear the whole refrigeration system on your head
i'll take "flexible tubing applications" for fifty cents, Alex

>>34722603
this
>achieve 3500 RPM in coffin.
lost my shit. if only we could harness such power

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>>34727907
don't tell him, I want to see retardAnon walk around with an AC unit strapped to his head

More interesting to me is what you want projected on the HUD.
>Map in the corner with known friendlies and enemies
>Probability overlay of likely enemy locations e.g. tag as building as somewhere a machine gun nest was previously spotted, or some bushes with a suspicious thermal signature
>Tag incoming enemy or friendly forces e.g. a little icon hovering over the horizon at the direction they're coming from saying incoming enemy convoy 2km outt
>Ability to switch between thermal and nightvision
>Ability to pop up windows showing POV of allied headcams, drones in the sky or smaller drones scouting inside buildings
>Rangefinder

If a full helmet and better body protection becomes standard, won't that just prompt standard-issue weapons to simply increase their calibre or use better penetrators to defeat it?

It seems to me that it would be easier to create a "stronger" man-portable weapon system than it would be to make a similar defensive system.

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>>34715676

The helmet should inspire fear in your enemies

>>34718519
God you're such a faggot

>>34729767
>muh waifu in the corner encouraging me

>>34729909
of course, necessity is the mother of invention.
>jim builds a gun to shoot terry
>terry doesn't want to get shot
>terry builds armor designed to stop jims gun
>jim uses his call of duty prestige bux to make his gun more powerful
>terry uses HIS codbux to uparmor
etc etc etc until they're both walking hulks shooting at each other with shoulder fired bofors

>>34730012
why doesn't terry just make his gun more killy and shoot jim first

>>34730020
i oversimplified for the sake of the example.
>terry's army gets shot a bunch and builds better armor to get shot less
>jim's army sees they're killing less terries since their guns are less effective.
>jim makes better guns for all the other jims
>the new guns defeat the armor until the armor gets improved

>>34723251
Its probably night vision or some other kind of vision enhancing optic. Tell me what would a red dot (a device for aiming a gun) do mounted on a helmet?

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>>34730681
it's to tell you where you're looking

>>34729931
are your enemies ants?

>>34717411
Not true. The impact of a bullet (especially intermediate rounds like 5.56 etc) is not going to transfer that much force. Youd have to take a shotgun slug or a .50 to the face (and have it stick into the helmet instead of deflecting, thereby trasferring all the force).

A kid I went to school with peeked over the side of a roof in he was on in sadr city, took a 7.62 bullet to the kevlar, it penetrated the first few layers of kevlar, travelled around inside the kevlar, and exited the back of the kevlar. Im sure it didnt feel great, but it sure as hell didnt break his neck and he had no major injuries.

>>34722034
That's heresy, you'll have to answer a few questions from The Dominion now.

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>>34729767
virtual red dot, good for rifles or pistols
trajectories. Great for big arcing rounds like 40mm, portable mortars, and stuff like the LAW, SMAW, and CG.
night vision overlays
pointers, like laser pointers but easily visible during the day and only visible your buddies
ammo count on the magazine
show where friendly bombs are aimed so I can gtfo

>>34722034
>plausible, sexy, armored af, halo tier aesthetic
how will the naysayers ever recover, not to mention they are fucking wrong about broken neck being a threat specific to full helmet. Soldiers have had their necks powdered by headshots they would have otherwise survived since ww1. Your arguments are invalid.

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>>34729767
one more, gunfire locator. The sensing is ready but the UI sucks balls, it's like playing "hot or cold" while being shot at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhodvJD132g

Now imagine the same thing but instead of the shitty screen you have a line drawn in mid-air with augmented reality. A red line that goes right to the enemy. There are a bunch of UI variations that could make it very usable.

>>34722603
>This
even with recoil compensation it woulf STILL fuck your collar bone up. Dumb noguns McDonald's employees should have gone somewhere other than science academic intervention in high school.

>>34730875
Agreed, with the caveat to deviate towards minimalistic displays, so the user can see as much as possible, if you want to give a shot count or ammo counter to the hud put a tag on the gun that the display can detect so it's only in his way when he wants it to be, if you do have tagged objectives and friendlies don't display them if he isn't facing them, if he needs to find them he'll look for them. the tagged enemy feature is only useful if your software can reliably tag enemies, I would not count on a person to do it him self and I think it would lead to troops magdumping on farm animals.

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>ctrl-f "cheek weld"
>0

The Russians kind of work around the problem with their visors by using bent wire stocks, but it really isn't an optimal solution. Pic is Swiss, but you get the idea.

>>34730929
Wow, you misinterpreted this post so hard you made it stupid again. Congrats.

>>34715707
Sorry nerd, wars are fought by men, not weapons, always have been, always will be.

>>34715676

How about a visor that conforms to the rifle's stock?

>>34715707
All it will take is a discovery in materials science

>>34730779

The plague daemons of nurgle come in all shapes and sizes, so yes.

>>34730983
explain how it was misinterpreted. I saw basic physics being put to use to prove that people claiming being shot in the head will break your neck are retarded. Explain noguns.

>>34731050
I'm the one who wrote the post, fuckface. The point I was making was that an AK would destroy your shoulder if it were anywhere near possible that the impact force alone were enough to break your neck.

>>34731063
>>34730983
he was agreeing, although his wording wasn't very good

Dboys have been known to wear hockey helmets instead of kevlar, it is better to stay more aware and rapid with what god gave you than plan on taking a bullet to the face. Same reason for plate carriers over full body armor. It is more survivable to immediately and aggresively wreck a scene with extreme violence of action and overwhelming firepower than to stomp around like some fucking mechwarrior.

>>34731239
Mech warriors are pilots, you're thinking of battle mechs.

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>>34731252
You knew what i meant and then decided to be a silly and pedantic nerd.

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>>34715676
>what visor configuration would be most effective?
I can't believe nobody has posted this!

>>34731274
>tfw you change your phone wallpaper to this pic

>>34731456
That seems like it hampers peripheral vision, we need to improe upon this.

>>34731471
If the eyes were actual cameras that fed to a HUD inside, that could work.

>>34731274
It's like he's watching something midly interesting on tv while grabbing that dude's face

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>>34731485
ah like a stormtrooper helmet

>>34731550
>>34731485
But I want to be able to hit shit.

>>34717411
>head bobing is a BIG part of how a bipede keeps its balance...
Yeah, well, your mom is a BIG part of how I keep my balance

>>34722034
It looks like a bad airsoft LARPer.

>>34731575
They were ordered not to hit the boy.

>>34722034
I'd bite if the fatigues were choccos and the protective shit was M81 woodies, and the rifle wasn't a fucking leaf.

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>>34723169
>>34722034
>>34723195

we power armor nao