Ultimate SHTF AR-15

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>>34713595
12"-16" barrel if you're on the East Coast or the PNW, 20" if you're out West.

Low power illuminated optic or even a red dot are sufficient for east coast or PNW forested areas, you probably want at least 3x out west.

You want the ability to see and shoot far out if you're in the wide open spaces of, say, Nevada or Montana. But in the denser, more forested regions, you're fine with a carbine.

A collapsible stock is a must. And it should be chambered in 5.56.\

pic unrelated

>>34713646
Why such a short barrel

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This with a flashlight

>>34714548
Weight. With the right glass you can engage out to 300 yards with an 11.5

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>>34713595
Northern America? 20" 5.56 and a 1:7 twist barrel. Standard .223 ammo dents steel plates at 100yds. Ruined my friends rifle plate with it. You're not clearing buildings left and right (nor should you, shit is literally too dangerous unless you're swat teaming it). The added length and twist rate give you reliability and lethality in a nimble lightweight package. I'd also add a 1-6 optic like a vortex strike eagle. Will give you the ability to fire from enough distance to not needlessly put yourself in danger.

>>34714687
>You're not clearing buildings left and right (nor should you, shit is literally too dangerous unless you're swat teaming it).
Just the first floor, gas it up, burn it down.

LMT CQB 16.
Add a sling, a light, a scope (and/or red dot), two dozen magazines and a few thousand rounds of ammo and you're golden.

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I for one adopt the KISS principle.

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>>34714660
>With the right glass you can engage out to 300 yards with an 11.5
>>34715004
Or at a 100y/m zero, zero 3" high.

>>34713595
psa freedom 15

>>34713595
Before literally everyone parrots what they heard word for word from Inrange. Here's what I would do.

For a general purpose, "I have no idea where I'll be in a month" gun, I'd go with a 16" Midlength AR with a Red dot or a fixed 4x and below optic.

The rationale is that if you were in a real SHTF situation, which is intensely unlikely in the first place, you literally have no idea where you'll be, because if you're not at home, you're likely moving by necessity and planning that, for example, you're always going to be engaging people at X range and building a purpose built rifle for X range that is slightly less useful at other ranges is kinda silly.

A 16" rifle gives you a good balance at all ranges and gives you a good fragmentation range while using Milsurp ammo, which is likely what most people will have access too. (M193 and M855).

Now, obviously if you lived inside a major city where it's highly unlikely you would even be able to leave in the event of SHTF, I'd recommend a shorter rifle that's more suited to room to room shooting.

If you live in a desert during SHTF, I have news for you. You're going to die unless you leave for a major water source. It's that simple.


TL;DR I think planning for specific engagement ranges for most people is a little silly during SHTF, since you're probably just going to be defending your home, or if you need to move for whatever reason, the ranges will be unpredictable.

Anyone care to comment? Are there flaws to this chain of thought?

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>>34715017
Aren't you supposed to be camping ?
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>>34715017
just a light an nato chambered, 1/7 is really for the tracer>>34715045
>>34715045

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>>34715066
Why not just get a fucking mini?

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This isn't bait, for anyone wondering. Beats any AR by a long shot IMO, with the exception of parts compatibility.

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>>34715035
Those are really cool, reminds me of MP5 collapsing stock

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>>34713595
14.5 inch with 3x magnifier shooting quality ammo. Good indoors but can still kill out to 400. Pic related

>>34715045
>Aren't you supposed to be camping ?
most people live in a city/the suburbs the most dangerous part is gonna be those places. So most of the combat will be very close range

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>>34715087
not really a fan of how they look, an bill ruger
>>34715117
thread about ar
>post non ar
thread about shtf
>no parts availability/compatibility
JUST
>>34715125
yeah

>>34715117
I live in a bubble, wtf is this new fangled stuff

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>>34715125
I think pic is my fav out of all.
>>34715182
overhead

>>34715200
>overhead
what?

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>>34715200
Dig the stock but those stubby front rails annoy me for some reason

>>34715117
>bullpup

That makes the decision come down to preference, you can still get an AR down to that kid of length with the right stock

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>>34715087
Because he might want less than 4moa out of a rifle his life depends on.

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>>34715204
it dont matta
>>34715206

>>34715198
stay in it, its keltec.
I actually would like a Keltec SU-16, if it was stamped out or metal instead of a composite I would buy one.
>>34715211
yeah 11.5/10.5 min.


RAWR 7.62 REAL FUCKING NATO

On modularity and spare parts, what parts on an AR will wear out/break the soonest over time?

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>>34715221
brutty much
>>34715236
someones foot

>>34715245
spring but most likely your water, food, blood and organs

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>>34715264
someones collection

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>>34715245
The user.
>>34715272
sidearm

>>34715271
>>34715281

Oi I'm not being facetious or shitting, I just wanna know how much of an extra AR's worth of parts I would want to carry in case anything breaks

>>34715017
Given that your range would be variable, why go fixed <=4x? Go for a low-power variable, especially something like a Trijicon AccuPoint where it's unpowered.

>>34715198
It's the Kel tec rdb survival rifle. It just was released

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>>34715045
Tomorrow

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>>34713595
If operating in a militia under war like circumstances
>ar-15 16-20 inch or milsurp m4 picked off of body
If cheeki breeking alone
>fal/G3, some type of battle rifle or AK in 7.62x39
The more distance the better. You don't really need anything fancy in an irl shitstorm.

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>>34715309
Ease of use.

>>34715303
USMC Armorer here.

I've seen weapons survive multiple combat deployments with only a few scratches.

I can almost guarantee that you'll never be operating so hard that you need to replace parts in the field.

Just do basic function checks and make sure all your springs are still nice and springy and you'll be good to go.

If you're really that worried about your rifle, take it to a gunsmith and ask to have it gauged.

>>34714628
My nigga

>>34714971
Also my nigga

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>>34715303
one or two of link following and maybe the same for a complete BCG and it'll out last you more than likely
https://andersonmanufacturing.com/product/oops-kit-2/

>>34715322
Are you going to take pictures?

>>34715364
pic

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>>34715383
Well that's good to know, more room in backpack for peanut butter and KY

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>>34715383

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>>34715396
>peanut butter and KY
well im done here

>>34713595
Are you guys gonna be killing people and taking their stuff like in dayz?

>>34715471
Ideally not, the idea is to avoid confrontation, especially when you can't go to a hospital for a knife in the gut or a GSW when shtf

It's not unlike cc/oc today, you hope you don't have to use it but it's there if you need it

>>34715509
If you saw some poor unarmed SOB walking around with a huge backpack which probably contained food and you were hungry would you kill him and take his stuff?

>>34715529
If for some reason he fell over and laid there for 18 hours.
Probably.

>>34715529
Dunno honestly, never been in a situation where I had to ask myself that question.

If I had to guess though, I'd just tell myself that if he were the one looking at me through a scope, that he wouldn't be willing to make the same excuses for me and that my hesitation could get me killed. So yeah, I value my life too much to gamble with it like that and would be unwilling to risk letting him go.

What I don't know is if I'd sooner be thinking about him killing me or what supplies he might be carrying, and which of the two would be the afterthought.

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I don't have much to contribute to this thread, but I would bring pic related if SHTF. Its light, pretty accurate and I've had no stoppages since I got it.

>>34715383
Of course.

>>34714852
Kyle d4 af. Mine will be built very similar.


I'm gonna build "my last" ar and I want it to be my teotwawki / recce rifle. Gonna go with a 11.5 upper so I can use a vfg with a armbrace and be over 26" oal. I got a good surefire m900v, just need nods and a ir laser. I'm looking at the stiner otal ir laser and the armasight Sirius gen 2+ nods. Then toss on a vortex strike eagle 1- 8. I live way back innawoods and the terrain can go from thick woodland to wide open mountain tops and fields thanks to strip mining and mountain top removal. I got a small 8.5 ar pistol in 300 blackout that has a 1-4 and it really works great for me as a daily jeep gun/backpack gun but I hate the price of ammo.

I have electronics that run off of AA like a eotech 512 and streamlight rail light, but I really want a night vision set up and so far I haven't found lights and lasers that run off of anything other than cr123.

>tldr
Ar "firearm" pistol with oal greater than 26" so vfg
11.5 barrel
Surefire m900v
Stiner otal
Vortex strike eagle

It should be an AK

>>34716029
That's who's rifle it is. Will be making mine the same shortly after enjoying that configuration.

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>>34713595
This is.
1/9
best overall twist rate, 1/7 is only good for garbage M856 tracers, 1/9 will stabilize anything to 50 to 75gr.

>>34717009
>1/9
>not 1/8
Step up, dude.

>>34715272
>>34714971
quick question, can someone explain that muzzle device to me, the flash hider on the m4 style rifle. Is that setup considered an sbr? if not, how did they put it on and still meet the 16 inches of barrell length?

>>34719276
The muzzle device is permanently affixed, pinned and welded. It counts towards the 16" barrel length, so the ATF won't give no trabble. Normally you have 16" plus the muzzle device, so you save 1.5-2" this way.

>>34719276
theyre also an homage to the xm177 moderator

>>34720149
>>34720177
thanks for the reply. I was thinking about putting one of those muzzle devices on on a 11.5 upper or something, since the thing looks like its 5 inches or so long to meet 16 inch requirement. It just looks super cool.

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>>34714986
Arch fag, if your rifle actually represented your distro it would be this because of your bloated kernel and packages.

>AR-15
>SHTF
lol

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>Any other profile

>>34713646
>5.56
>SHTF
lol

>>34720284
This is an AR-15 thread not a SCAR thread. Also if that's not a 17 you're a massive homosexual faggot. The 16 is a fucking meme. If it is a 16 then I'd tell you to shoot yourself with it, except you'd probably survive because the 16 is a meme that could barely kill a toddler. So if it's the 16 you should go get a 17 and shoot yourself with it. And if it is the 17, then okay you're kinda cool I guess. Go shoot bad guys with it.

>>34720333
A 4.5" extension to meet NFA requirements would work for an XM177 clone, but IIRC the extension used on legit 177s us a "sound moderator" which makes it a suppressor.

Either way you still have 16", so you may as well go for the 14.5" pinned/welded to get the most out of it while still toeing that line between NFA and compact.

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>>34721362
>the extension used on legit 177s us a "sound moderator" which makes it a suppressor.
yup

>>34720637
>can't tell the difference between a scar 16 and 17 lmao
>not recognizing the importance of pistons
who's the faggot?

How much heavier is a fixed stock over a collapsible? Is the space saving really worth going to a collapsible?

>>34720637
You're such a fucking retard for not being able to differentiate a 5.56 mag from a .308 mag that you have no business making any judgement on who should or shouldn't kill themselves.

KYS, by the way.

>>34721855
well, if you can get a comfortable cheekweld and hold on the gun, it doesn't matter which.

The collapsible can be put all the way forward and you can "shorten" the OAL of the gun in smaller areas when needed, but that's really just getting into LARPing territory at that point.

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>>34720418
hunting vampires

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>>34715035
I like your style. What VFG?

>>34713595
Honestly, you'd be best off with one in 22lr so you can carry 500-1000 rounds of ammo easily. Lack of ammo will be a bigger problem than how tacticool your arifu is.

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>>34722141
No it won't. 22lr will get you killed in a fight. esp if its outside of 50 yards. You will get shit penetration, shit wound cavities, shit barrier penetration.

22lr is good for things that won't shoot back

>>34715322
What plate carrier? I dig the low profile ones. I want on to use with my vz58

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>>34722130
not sure, just save it cause it caught my eye, might be an older magpul, or nonamebrand

>>34722141
> .22 is da most lefal round bounce around in the body mmmhhmm, *spits tobacco on self* 556 aint cant do nothing to a man.

>>34722130
Tango Down.

Realistically, some kind of SBR with a can would be a great choice, considering most defensive scenarios would be in close quarters. If someone is outside your effective range, chances are hiding or running would be a better choice. For rural folks, a semi-auto that can reach out to ~500m would be ideal.

>>34715117
>>34715312
whats the point of that type of grip or lack of?

/k/, in a longterm shtf scenario wouldn't an ak be better than in an ar just because of its reputation to deal better with harsh conditions without care? or is that just memes

>>34722623
Memes. ARs also have the advantage of easily swapping any worn parts and the greater availability of said parts.

>>34722527
that's not at all what he said though, not even fucking remotely. If you're going to mock someone at least use what they said

>>34720512
Unless you live in the eastern bloc, 5.56 is THE SHTF cartridge.

>>34722623
Memes. I've put both AKs and ARs through shit and had ARs shine while the AK chokes.

>>34720637
>This is an AR-15 thread not a SCAR thread.

SCARs compromise the upper echelon of gucci hierarchy, and therefore are always relevant in AR threads.

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>>34722826
emshi

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This is what I'll be toting in the end of days.

Daily reminder that if your rifle is ugly, you will subconsciously neglect it and the machine spirit will be angered and fail you when you need it.

>>34723050
what if your rifle isn't attracted to you though? what then

>>34723066
Your life is forfeit. You need to become attuned to your rifles needs and recognize when it just doesn't like you.

>>34723066
Then you're just right fucked. If you built/assembled it yourself you should be gtg though, that process really amps up the machine spirit attraction.

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>>34713595

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>>34715017
I couldn't agree with you more. Doing my own emergency planning, I don't even seriously plan for what happens after 4 -6 weeks or so. I think about it, but I don't obsess over it. I figure if SHTF goes on for that long, the world must be in such chaos that there is no way to really plan for it effectively. At that point your starting to shift from emergency management to community building, or insurgency or getting a boat to escape N. America or whatever.

>I do stock as much food and ammo as I can though
>16" 5.56 3x Fixed Illuminated/Etched (East Coast Rural)

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Twinlinked for maximal stopping power.

>>34723050

>Implying ugly guns aren't my favorite
>Implying my uguu tsundere raifu would ever betray me

>>34723763
"Looking cool is literally the only thing that matters." - Garand Thumb 2017

>>34713595
>AR-15 for SHTF

Ithink you meant to type AR-10

>>34723798
Yes

>>34723034

why do people like those ugly ass fucking stocks unless it's airsoft to carry more battery which in that case you're still a faggot

>>34713595
One that shoots 5.56.
At the end of the day optics, rails, accessories, and muzzle devices are useful, but in an emergency all you need is something that goes bang every time. If you're trying to clear buildings, snipe people from 800 yards, or light up a field with an IR laser after the happening happens, you're doing it wrong.

>>34723034
Because tastes are subjective. But fuck those are ugly.

>>34723034
Sorry...
>>34725039
Meant for:
>>34723957

>>34714852
>50% of rifle's weight is optics

>>34721825
>>34721877
I'm /nogunz/ though, how the fuck should I know?

>>34715004
What uhh..what is that tube thing on the back of the receiver? Just the buffer tube?

>>34720506
dat pointless weight doe

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>>34713595

>16" barrel, nice compromise between velocity and compactness
>collapsible stock
>battery storage in the stock
>battery storage in the grip
>standard A2 front sight, 100% bombproof
>maybe an aimpoint red dot of some flavor
>2 point sling

that's pretty much it

>>34727503
Yeah just the buffer tube. That tube might be a little shorter than normal

>>34715726
Was thinking of building a "leave now" carbine with the M21.
My main question is, how do you like the optic? God DAMN I want one.

>>34713595
>I always wanted a classic 20 inch AR but I always think how unpractical it would be in this kind of scenario.

You should just get it anyway, because you want it and you can. Northern America is pretty general, west of the Mississippi and before you hit the Cascade Range sounds like it would be a great place for 20in.

>>34715383
4 A2 loving faggots. Good to have you guys for the trip.

>>34722527

Are you a woman? You argue like one for sure.

>thinking he'll be getting in constant firefights with bandits daily

If you do you'll die very fast. Even NAVY SEALs get a whole team of them get their shit pushed in by native locals who know less than your average fud.

You're way worse off. Let that sink in.

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I wad a designated marksman who dabbles in long range shooting.

Considering SHTF would be more about hunting and keeping large groups of people away from your area... I'd like to bring my .308 precision hunting rifle.

Sure I'd prefer my .300 win mag but I'm more likely to find .308

I'd assume my every day carry piece G19 is a freebie since it's on me erryday.

Would preferably carry two guns. Precision Rifle and SBR AR15

>>34729359

I live in Los Angeles and I still love my 20 inch m16a4 copy. Bought it before they made us put on those ghey stocks.

The 20 inch barrel provided that extra velocity needed to get the round out there more reliably and to fragment at closer ranges.

Is it better to have a carrying handle or an after market sight?

>>34722762
>mock someone
not really how mocking works
>>34731244
if you dont space as you do on reddit do you have seizures?

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>>34732661
glass breaks easier than metal

I dont understand why you would have flashlight on your gun
The light just gives your position away

>>34733230
You're not supposed to use it all the time. It has its place.