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VZ58 fags bout to get btfo eta 6 weeks

>>34710663
>>34710699
t. tactical imports
or
t. poorfags who make a big deal out of a couple hundred bucks

Choose your player

>>34710699
>czechnology btfo by chinkshit
Not gonna happen, Chang.

>>34710709
>>34710728
get ready to be matched if not surpassed. should be no surprised when you're already outperformed by $200 70 year old russian rifles.

>>34710755
>should be no surprised when you're already outperformed by $200 70 year old russian rifles.
What the fuck are you even talking about and what does is have to do with anything

>>34710755
>Still claiming the SKS has better accuracy than the VZ58 based entirely on nothing.

>>34710768
>>34710782
would be nice if you actually went out and shot your vz's alongside an sks instead of just trying your best and failing to defend it on a Timorese tea brewing forum.

sucks to suck.

>>34710832
You have anything to back that up, buddy?
I don't have any 7.62x39 rifle by the way.

>>34710832
I have though. I've shot both side by side at the same trip. My VZ58 shot better.

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>no answer
Nothing feels better than exposing commies.

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Is it weird to name your favourite gun(s)?

>>34711007
Probably.
I named my M305 Revy.

>>34711040
It is isn't it?
My Mini-14 wooden RR is Carol and the bubba'd up SKS is Katyusha.

>>34711040
Speaking of M-14, there's a used one at a local gun shop listed as a "Norinco m14" for $875, but the only part of it that's Chinese is the trigger group.
The rest of the gun is Springfield, so I wonder if it's worth the buy?

>>34711123
If you're absolutely sure of this, then yeah it's a good buy. If you're wrong, you're way overpaying for a Norinco M14.

>>34711007
only if it's weird to name any other of your weapons.
My sword's name is Excurgabur.

Not going to lie that pic of the T81 looks pretty sweet, but I'll wait for range reports before jumping on one.

>>34706459
He's a good six inches shorter than I was at 14, so you'd have to go back further than that to find when he stopped growing.
>>34710564
Chink ammo is fine, I've only had 4 duds and a hangfire in a crate so far :)
>>34711007
My handgun is named surtur, because I'm an edgelord who also likes vikings. I haven't found a suitable name for the sks yet.

>>34711602
A short Canadian who loves firearms... does he have something of a hatred for older designs and refuses to use stripper clips? Is he in his late 20s? If so, I might know him, first name starts with D. Used to hang out but issues arose so he broke off the friendship, I think mostly due to a girl.

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>>34710663
Is the Type 81 worth buying?

>>34711987
Don't know yet. I wouldn't beta test it, but I don't have the dosh for it so that's a moot point.

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why doesnt sako import more m76's?

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>>34710699
>no aftermarket
>unknown build quality
>ugly af
>everything must be bought from tacimp

lol no

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>>34711987

Who knows?

I'd rather pick up a WR762 from Westrifle. They've been way more transparent about the production process, and they're building them in Canada

>>34712002
IIRC Valmet died a while ago

To the Anon potentially selling his Viking; I'm still interested, if K31 Guy isn't, or if you get tired of waiting.

>>34710663
Type 81 sidefolder > VZ58 15.5" > Type 81 > VZ58 NR length

>>34713301
t. chingchongtingtonglinglong

>>34713314
just speaking strictly aesthetics wise, I have no idea how the rifles will perform

>>34712002
m76s are prohib, only m78s and valmet hunters are allowed and sako doesn't make them anymore, although they do own what is left of valmet arms
they could do a new-production run or sell a license to produce m78s but don't expect that to ever happen

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>>34713326
>aesthetics wise
Dude
Fucking look at it

>>34713334
looks like an AK that's been stretched out
whats the problem

>>34713351
That's exactly the problem.
From the trigger guard forwards it looks completely ridiculous

>>34713301
AK>vz58 15.5">sks>vz58 18.5">a stick>type 81

>>34713351
It hardly looks like an ak. Maybe if you squint and never handled a real ak more than once

>>34713416
looks more like an AK than the Vz.58

>>34713422
It only looks like a 1/3 of an ak that survived being aborted cause it has fetal alcohol syndrome

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>>34713334
it looks operator as fuck, I would love running around with one

What ended up happening with those straight-pull tantals that whatshisfuck was importing as NRs?

>>34713476
They marketed them as non restricted aks and didn't tell anyone they were straight pull until they were just about to bring them in but turns out no one wants shitty polish aks, let alone a shittier straight pull version of it so they ended up not bringing them in cause only the most fringe autists and some collectors would buy them, same people would rather opt for a valmet or compromise like everyone else and get a vz58

>>34713517
Sane people*

>>34713517
So the damn things never made it into the country?
Fuck

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>>34710755
Stop parroting that moleman autist, he thinks the numbers on the front sight of an SKS determine the rifles accuracy.

Truth be told the VZ is much more accurate than the SKS, however with the 18.6 inch barrel you do get worse groups than you would with the 16 inch barrel. I like to shoot both rifles they have their own quirks that make them special.

quit being faggots.

>>34714097

Who the shit buys an SKS or VZ expecting either to be laser beam accurate anyway?

>>34710663
Wasn't that bastard offspring of the SKS and an AK a failure?

>>34714572
That's what I heard. Questionable reliability/accuracy.

So I've been hearing a few bad reviews on the VZ58, which is starting to put me off of buying one. I have an sks which I like and was thinking the VZ would be the next logical step up. Anyone here which experience good or bad on the rifle? Is the current price worth it?

What "reviews"? yes the 223 rifle is crap but the 762 is a solid platform.

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>>34713326
y tho
why does sako hate money?

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>>34715019
What are these bad things?

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>>34713289
Well if the guy who is looking to trade his K31 would give a response it would be best to do it sooner rather than later.

So to that anon who has that K31 I'll be giving you until tomorrow (Aug 1st) 5:00 PM EST to give a response as to whether or not you'd be interested in trading the K31 for the Viking. If no response is received I'll assume that you have been lurking and decided against the trade.

>gif has no relation I just want to be able to find my post faster

So WR has posted some targets.
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1596573-Non-restricted-7-62x39-1299-and-1499-available

Top one is 100m and the second 170m.

>>34715326
Accuracy is meh, over heats bad, not worth the price. Just what I've heard a few people say

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>>34715343
Fair enuff.
>>34715308
Valmet no longer makes the guns, they make agricultural equipment now. I'm sure that even if they could tool up again, the RCMP would pull some fuckery to make new models Prohibited.

>>34714097
Thought* i made a wrong assumption and was wrong get over it. And sks's are more accurate than vzs. I still have to look for my target i got 1-ish inch groups on at 100m. Then eventually try the same thing with a vz. Ive out shot people with ars before. Lately tho ive just been pissing away ammo

>>34715586
There's something poetic about the machinery being used to make AKs being adapted to make farm equipment.

>>34715659
>1 moa with an sks
Jesus i can't understand how anyone ever takes you seriously

>>34714572
>>34714838
wheres your source for this?

this is the closest thing to a review that I've found and there was no mention of that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1hvyOn-EZE

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>>34715706
Ah ha found it. Now granted i havent pulled this off again, i prefer shooting steel, but i managed such groups by shooting prone and utilizing the bayonet as a monopod and actual taking my time to shoot, my groups opened up drastically going from prone to standing.

>>34715924
That's nowhere near 1 moa. Just stop.

>>34715924
>Pie plate sized group at 100 yards
>1 MOA
You can't make this shit up.

>>34715984
>>34716032
Are you just ignoring the 7-8 rounds all in the bullseye? That's what im tslking about.. but of course you have no reading comprehension and didnt read "my groups opened up drastically going from prone to standing"

>>34715714
I have no source, just hearsay. Well, that and I used to have a buddy from China I'd frequently chat with. We spoke of firearms at length, and I recall him having nothing good to say about the Type 81 at all. He was exempt from Military service however due to reasons so it's not like a first-hand account via usage of the rifle. He was a cool guy though, I miss chatting with him.

>>34715924
This is supposed to be 1MOA? Come on... that's retarded. 1MOA is 1" at 100yd as I recall, which is about 91m.

>>34716067
>sprays a target
>pick 3-4 rounds that landed close together
>totally 1 MOA guise
Kys ratboy

>>34716082
>y-you cant shoot accurately with sks's theyre shit tier!
>youre just retarded!
>just kill yourself!
Oh oh what are you gonna attack next? Are you going to make fun of my height next? Or will you tell me to kill myself again?. Actually no youre right i just bump fired at the target with my eyes closed cause i cant shoot accurately at all cause its an sks and is shit cause its russian.

>>34716179
Hit a nerve did i? No sks in the world will shoot 1moa. Stop lying on the internet to make yourself look cool.

>>34716220
But thats just wrong. No sks would be sub moa maybe.

>>34716245
Jesus fucking Christ kid. No 7.62 surplus ammo in the world shoots 1 moa, and most commercial 7.62 doesn't either. A 70yr tilting bolt isn't going to make that any better.

>>34716272
Have you tried not being shit at shooting? You can shoot accurately with any gun thats got a half decent bore with good rifling, theres people who get 1-2moa with m44s, getting 1-2moa with an sks at 100m isnt impossible.

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>>34715924
>>34716067
>>34716179
>>34716347
Pretty sure the constable is trolling us.

>>34716369
I never made constable

http://www.wilkinsonarms.com/Linda-9mm-Carbine_p_179.html

Holy shit, we need to get some of these in the country. They don't seem to be on the prohibition list, they are fairly affordable and are sexy as fuck.

>>34716403
The more you post the more it seems like you did.

>>34716497
The original design is on the banned by name list.

79 The firearm of the design commonly known as the J & R Eng M-68 carbine, and any variant or modified version of it, including the PJK M-68 and the Wilkinson Terry carbine.

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>>34715924
lmao

>>34716082
this

I though he'd at least get a new target and poke three or five holes just off the middle with a pen and be like "well, my sight was a bit off, so it's not in the middle, but you can see the grouping is clearly 1 MOA"

faggot couldn't even be bothered to try half-assing a lie

>>34715019
Yes, get it. If you don't like it in a year, sell it. Price is going up
>>34715422
It only over heats because the piston is directly under the handguard, no cover. But with a pop can and scissors you can make one in 5 minutes, and it makes a huge difference. Or drill holes in the handguards, lots of people do that and even after market handguards have them already drilled just for this reason

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Where is the cheapest place to buy a 92 FS online? Was looking at those surplus 92s but didn't realize the mag release is on the bottom so the Wilson Combat grips won't fit.

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Just got my PAL

What is the purpose of cutting off the bottom half of the paper the card was on and keeping it beside the card at all times? Can't they just print what is on this paper onto the card?

It's like they are purposely trying to make life hard

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>>34717754
pic related is other side

seriously why can't they just include this on the card or something

>>34717776
It is on your card, you license # should end in .0002 and it should say standard and non standard conditions

>>34717754
When did you apply?

>>34718393
What if it doesn't end in .0002? (.000X though)
What's the purpose of telling me to keep the paper which says the same stuff, with my license then?

>>34718530
Maybe 2-3 months ago?

>>34718617
The .000X is just to tell which card is current.
You will get one a new one with a higher number when you renew, upgrade to RPAL, or the first time LTATT is applied to your card.

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Guys, I wanna LARP being american
What should I get?
I'm hesitating between a keltec su16, the t81 or a semiauto NR 308

Where the fuck can I get my fists on some Canadian IMPs?

>nuh uh! MY bolivian short stroke piston rifle looks more like an AK than your ugandan short stroke piston rifle!

please stop this faggotry

>>34716873
The M-68 is pretty significantly different. I'd be surprised if more than a few components were interchangeable.

>>34719764
I know but sometimes a name is enough for the RCMP.

>>34719792
I'll send an email and see what they say.

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Anyone own, or know someone that own's one of these?

>>34719920
Weren't those the super cheap ones that routinely shot themselves apart.

Anyway as far as magfed semi shotguns go the Akdal's are way better some FTF but they mostly work.

>>34719943
Don't know about that, but I did see this
http://www.wholesalesports.com/store/wsoo/en/firearm-recall

>>34715700
valmet always made heavy equipment like farm vehicles and timber harvesting machines

>>34716497
>restricted barrel length
>as much as a scorpion evo
no thanks

Why do i feel bad about spending money to tinker with my norc 1911?

>>34715714
Only TFB TV can manage to make shooting guns look boring.
Fucking hell these guys are unbelievable

>>34717754
>>34717776
are we actually supposed to carry this shit around with us?
And can somebody give me a quick rundown on how an LTATT works? in Ontario. I had one before the rule changed and never got a new RPAL mailed

>>34721366
If you have or received the piece of paper carry it in your wallet.

Otherwise, no it is part of your RPAL as a condition to your license.

>>34714097

> Talks about accuracy
> Posts picture of rifle with a flashlight mount clamped onto barrel

How drunk are you?

>>34715343
Oh yeah, sorry bro I just got a new pistol so I don't want the Viking anymore.

>>34717235
This. Vented handguards are ice cold.

>>34722591
Thank you for the response.

>>34715586
You're up.

>>34719668
This! Who retails them?

>>34719668
http://www.aasurplus.ca/surplus/product/419-canadian-military-mres-imps

https://www.mealkitsupply.com/MRE/CAN/

You can also check eBay.

>>34722605
Ok, I'll contact you in a bit here. What's the burner email I can reach you at?

>>34723049
[email protected]

As before, I'll need you PAL Card scanned with number and other details so I can verify with CFO for the transfer. We can discuss this further via email.

>>34723830
Alright. I'll email you after work.

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>RCMP finally managed to get ctg on the hook

>>34723911
This

>>34723911
I-I'm sure it's nothing.
D:

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>>34710663
Oi blyat

>>34724229
This is actually the only shit I've shot out of my SKS so far.
How does it measure up to other 7.62x39 ammo?

>>34724310
1 moa I hear.

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>>34724354

>>34724310
Idk i dont own guns

>>34723830
Sent.

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Do any of you guys own either of these rifles? I'm debating witch one I should get a bushmaster acr or a Robinson xcr-m (308)

>>34725145
Response has been issued.

Are bullpups legal here?

>>34726229
Yes, if they are manufactured that way and have sufficient barrel length.

The barrel length has more to do with non-restricted vs restricted categorization.

You cannot drop a firearm into a bull-pup configuration as a modification though.

Finally decided to check out Tenda after work and my fuck is it small, stinks like chinese food and the guys behind the counter barely speak English. Not impressed

>>34726508

the fuck were you expecting, its an industrial unit in richmond hill.

even their posts on CGN and their flyers are engrish.

>>34726229
Standard->bullpup conversions are illegal, but factory built bullpups are legal.

Anyone know if there's currently any decent deals going on for bulk .223/5.56? Been kicking myself constantly after missing all the recent sales on the Barnaul stuff.

>>34725238

>ACR
No

>XCR
Aren't those $3500? I'd hold out a few months for the NEA-102, if they turn out to be good, they're half the price

>>34726229

Also the AUG is prohibited by name because the bad guys used them in Commando and Die Hard

Give me the total rundown on pros and cons (especially cons) of the Vz 58.
I'm picky as fuck and if I drop that much money on something that ends up tickling my autism I'm gonna be mad as fuck.

>>34726691
>New manufacture unless you buy a used CZ858 model which is built from surplus receivers and some surplus parts
>Most have chrome barrels
>Accurate for an x39 gun
>Reliable
>Can be modified fairly easily to use 10 round pistol mags, at moderate expense
>Moderate aftermarket available, though not nearly as large as AR15
>Comfortable for most people, so long as their should isn't super tall and fits the curve of the stock
>Magazines can be found for fairly cheap, if you don't mind surplus quality
>Takedown and cleaning are super easy
Overall it's a good gun, nothing outrageously fancy, but I always seem to keep coming back to it. I definitely prefer it to my SKS.

>>34726691
Pros:
>glorious czechnology
>non-restricted (if you care about such things)
>a decent amount of aftermarket if you feel the need to customize
>cheap ammo with the 7.62x39 model
>super easy to tear down for cleaning and maintenance

Cons:
>price, they were good rifles at the $1000 mark but nowadays it's getting more iffy
>iron sights aren't the greatest
>mounting optics can be a bit tricky due to the open action
>handguard length might bother some people

>>34726728
https://www.leverarms.com/products/cz-858-vz58-5-30-magazine?variant=12155265985
Cheapest pack of VZ58 mags I've found.

>>34726756
What price are the CZ-858s? I recall them being something like $700, though granted that price is coming from perhaps 2011 or so.

>>34715924

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_sharpshooter_fallacy

>>34726887
Not on the new market anymore, second hand only, meaning they're over $1000 now.

>>34726691
At the going rate of almost $1500 there overpriced. Save an extra couple hundred and get the non restricted AR 10 aka the NEA 102

>>34725629
Responded.

>>34727180
Likewise

>>34726955
Ouch... rough stuff... still, if I had the money, I'd consider that a fair price. I think the vZ.58 is a better design than the AKM. I think I'd prefer a restricted-length barrel but non-restricted is so much more convenient; can actually take it out in the woods and go hunting with it then.

>>34726620
Umc and freedom buckets are youre best bet. My ak doesnt like umc though

>>34727336
>vz is better design than ak
Not really

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>>34717776
>no RPAL conditions
why did you even bother, you literal Godzilla-sized labia

>>34724229
>шyмoвыe
ayy cyka, nu pizdets!
fucking blanks? always knew Moleman was a forest-быдлo who shot blanks!

>>34726691
what the other two guys said, except it isn't that hard to mount optics, it's just hard compared to modern AR or Tavor, any other rifle that doesn't have a top picatinny rail built in is basically on the same level as VZ
>handguard mount for dat scout and cowitness setup available for cheap
>side of receiver on CSAs already comes drilled and tapped for a rail mount that comes with a quick detach lever and mounts similar to how AK optics mount

>nobody mentions that it's stupidly reliable, with beastly extraction and that gaping open action
the only people who had stovepipes were guys with overgassed CSAs. there was a batch in 2013 or 2014 that had oversized gas ports and basically those rifles would beat themselves apart and cycle so violently and quickly, they would sometimes catch the extracting shell before it could clear the action. very minor and specific problem that was rectified ages ago. an AK is more likely to jam than a VZ
>this triggers the digautist who sold his floors and his growth hormones to pay for a Valmet

oh and don't listen to this jizz guzzler
>>34727140
>you could buy a well-liked proven to be well built and reliable rifle in one of the cheapest caliber available
>but why do that when you can buy an untested new rifle in a different, much more expensive to shoot caliber, from a company that's notorious for making trash first gens and ironing out the problems in subsequent models years later
I get that you want someone to buy the rifle and beta test it, but we have CGNers to do that for us. We don't do this shit to fellow /k/ommandos, you stupid cuntmonkey!

>>34726825
good price but those look beat as fuck.
check Dlask Arms from time to time, they regularly drop the price on as-new "A-grade" 4-pack bundles of VZ mags

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>>34727708

>>34724354
>>34724498
lies

Drafter is the only trip that could shoot a 1MOA group out of an SKS using blank rounds

>>34726728
>>34726756
>>34727720
Wew I didn't expect this. Thanks famalams.
I heard sone things about the handguard overheating. I'm a welder so it's not like I have bitch hands but are there any practical issues of this nature?

>>34727140
That's gotta be one of the silliest (You)s I ever got in 10 years on 4chan

>>34727720
It's a decent rifle but not a $1500 rifle. May as well save a little more for a 308 Canadian made battle rifle that uses legal 10 round mags. Shit even the T81 is at $1000 and could be solid, though I'd wait for range reports

>CTG has sent images of his PAL to a random anon

Thanks

>>34727692
It's a valmet, not an ak.
>>34727708
Oh no it's retarded
>>34728121
I'm pretty sure he had an intern do it.

Anyone has the 10 BA Stealth?
How is it?

Thinking about getting one in .223

>>34728155
Its an ak bruv.

>>34719668
Thought you said Canadian MPs I was about to report you for hatecrime.

>>34727271
Responded.

>>34728242
Officer Moleman, post pics of said Valmet. This is Officer Tyryone from your precinct.

>>34728449
Reported to authorities.

>>34727998
all you really need to do is put a piece of pop can into the bottom hand guard, or just get Fab Defense handguards (don't plan on using the top one as optic mount though, you'll need the NEA handguard mount or the one Corwin Arms sells, if you want a decent front mount option)
those are inexpensive and have vent holes. get some black aluminum insert out of a magpul and bend/trim it to fit -- and you got no heat troubles
>also comes with a picattiny on the bottom, for lights or grips

>>34727999
while I agree with your assessment of the current price, upside down Satan, there still aren't many things in this price range that compete with it
>T81 could be a contender, but we'll have to wait and see
as for a more expensive and completely untested rifle (at least T81 is made by big factory in China and has some track record), I would advise against beta testing the 102 as his main battle raifu, NEA track record isn't great with first line of AR-15s and this is clearly a step up in complexity for them, since it isn't just making the most produced rifle in North America (which again, they tucked up at first).

this boils down to feeling like you may have overpaid for a sure thing vs paying even more for a cat in a bag

when CSA was $1000, there were people saying you have to be mad to pay that, since 858 could be had just a few year earlier for $599
if we were all born in the 40s, we could all have $500 Valmets and we'd think Moleman was the biggest cuck for dropping over 3k on his unicorn -- but that was the price when he could buy it and it was worth it for him.
if Anon can afford $1400 or so that VZ is today and it's worth it to him, other than the awaited and untested T81, that will likely be a lot cruder and is heavier (handled it at a gun show), there really isn't anything to challenge the VZ as a proven reliable 7.62x39 magfed/SA/NR in that price range.
if you bought yours for $1000, you wouldn't buy one for $1400, but he didn't have the earlier option.

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>>34728465
No, no, allow me.

>>34728514
Office Moleman, we have analyzed the data and concluded you are a Gucci ass nigga. Please continue with your infiltration assignment.

>>34728514
What's up with the sticker

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Daily reminder to surrender all 10/22 magazines that hold a capacity greater than ten rounds.

This is for your protection.

>>34728565
Inventory number obviously.

>>34728449
Likewise.

Is the only place to find a Valmet state side? I currently have a good chunk of cash and could use a new interesting rifle

>>34728492
Thanks. Any other known issues with it? I've only read and heard good things about it and I still have a hard time believing it.

Not to mention I want a new rifle exactly because I want to shoot something lighter and cheaper than 308 once in a while.

>>34729377
There just as if not more expensive in the us now, and it doesnt help that our dollar is shit.

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>>34716497
>>34716873
>>34720012
>>34719764
>>34719792
>>34719806

So they seem very receptive to the idea. I'm trying to convince them to make a pistol version as well so we get 10 round mags.

>>34727913
We'll see. I still need to clean my "new" SKS. :)

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>>34730677
Well done

>>34730677
they seem like friendly people to deal with
I bet they would sell okay in Canada if they were NR

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>>34730844
And they responded in less than 24 hours which is pretty damn good. Better than most companies I contact.

Hell, I think the pistol version would even sell well enough.

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Surprised nobody is talking about the NEA-102 pics that were posted today. It's literally an AR but non-restricted.

>>34731279
lel it's kinda ugly
By the way pics don't mean shit

>>34731279
Well, it's based on an obscure version that had maybe a couple dozen manufactured and doesn't have stuff like a forward assist, not that I really care much about losing that.

>>34710755
I only have an SKS and I think you're full of shit. Czechnology is far superior to Gulag labour SKS. Also, where the fuck are SKSs $200 right now? Cheapest I have seen recently is easily $230, most places $250.

>>34731315
You can get a Chinese military SKS for 210 at Tenda right now. I spent the extra 30 to get a Russian hardwood stock, though.

>>34713314
Why is it that when you push for the Type 81, everyone thinks you're a Chinaman shill, whereas no one calls you Alexander Dubcek's incarnation when you push for the VZ58?

(I personally plan on getting both the VZ58 and Type 81; think they're both interesting not-an-AK guns.)

>>34727708
>>34727894
Jesus Christ just how retarded are you, Moleman? If you're indeed Canadian, you're making us fucking look bad.

Anyways, the vZ has quite a few advantages over the AKM.

>Same weight but with a milled receiver
>Can reload via clips or mags, not just mags like with the AKM
>Carrying half mags and half clips can reduce pounds from your loadout
>Short stroke gas piston means less weight on the bolt carrier
>Alloy vZ mags are slightly lighter than plastic AKM mags (albeit VERY slight)
>Bolt hold-open

So the vZ is more sturdy due to its milled construction yet does not sacrifice weight, the fact it can easily utilize both clips and mags means it can carry more ammo or have a lighter loadout with the same amount of ammo, a potentially slightly lighter recoil or at least not as jarring of a recoil impulse due to short-stroke gas piston, and having both an automatic and a manual bolt hold-open available is quite handy for informing the shooter when the firearm is empty as well as allowing the shooter to easily lock the bolt back and stuff a couple clips into their mag.

In order to use clips with an AK mag you need to remove the mag, get the adaptor, put the adapter on the mag, and THEN go for clips. With a vZ all you have to do is lock back the mag and bam, you can top it off with some clips.

>3 SKS clips
About 1.2lb (comparable to a loaded STANAG mag)

>Loaded vZ.58 mag
About 1.6lb

>Loaded plastic AKM mag
About 1.65lb as I recall

>Loaded steel AKM mag
About 1.85lb or so

>Loaded steel AK-47 mag
Pretty sure that's nearing 2lb

The only obvious advantage the AKM has over the vz.58 that I can think of is cheaper manufacture and possibly the vZ has no storage space in its buttstock for a cleaning kit but I can't remember for sure.

>>34731890
Don't forget that the safety is better.

>>34713334
It's heavier loaded than a VZ, longer, the sight picture is worse.

The Type 81 is an answer to the Type 56, SKS and the follow on 20 round SKS abomination they made in the 70's that was a failure.

Both the 81 and the VZ are going to be on par with an SKS - the VZ because milled and better barrel trunion config than an AK, and the Type 81 because SKS/Dragunov style trunnion and longer barrel.
The VZ is lighter and handier, from a country that highly valued mechanized infantry.
The Type 81 is a riflemans rifle from a country where light and light motorized infantry was king

>>34731947
I love the AKM platform, but yeah, I'd be silly to ignore the many advantages the vZ.58 has over it. I'd be perfectly happy with either one, but I'd be slightly MORE happy with the vZ and would enjoy carrying either 4 mags and 16 clips (280 rounds for 12.8lb) or 5 mags and 12 clips (270 rounds for 12.8lb). Meanwhile 8 vZ.58 mags weigh the same 12.8lb but with only 240 rounds available, and 8 plastic AKM mags weigh about 13.2lb for the same 240 rounds of 7.62x39. Also, 4 vZ mags and 12 clips is 240 rounds for 11.2lb, over a pound and a half saved compared to 8 vZ mags, and a solid 2lb saved compared to 8 plastic AKM mags.

On a side-note, I'm so fucking happy that CAPTCHA isn't fucking with me anymore. On the ones where you have to click to make new pics appear it's fast as fuck instead of taking like 5 seconds each, and for the choose-the-box ones it's only 1 or 2 photos to click instead of 4-5. Thank fuck.

>>34732250
I'm just going to stick with the legacy captcha. I can just hit tab once and not need to grab my mouse.

>>34714838
You need to work on your sources, and your brain.

>TFW LGS raffles a mossberg 590a1 for 15$ with only 37 tickets total
>TFW I find out too late to buy any

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>>34730715
>>34730844
They are willing to play ball for pistol magazine engraving and everything. Trying to get CanadaAmmo interested (They are reputable and don't have any other pistol caliber carbines yet, so they won't be hurting their own sales with it).
We'll probably be waiting for a good while what with the whole FRT system even if everything does line up, but I'm stoked. These guns are too awesome not to be in the country.

>>34732304
Just sharing what I've heard. If I stated it as fact, then you can bitch and moan. For now you're just getting butthurt for no reason.

>>34732590
Not him, but I heard the opposite, that it was loved by the Chinese military, and there are groups in the PLA that want it returned to frontline service.

>>34732708
That may very well be true for all I know. As I mentioned, I merely shared what I had heard. The Chinese fellow I spoke to said it was a shitty design, and also on the Misery mod of STALKER: Call of Pripyat seems to have it pinned as being a shitty design, but neither account can be accepted as true first-hand testament to how it functions. For all I know it's as reliable as an AK, as accurate as an SKS, and as controllable as an M16A1.

>>34732780
>as accurate as an sks
1 moa?

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>>34732787
I'm really digging this meme

>>34732787
>>34732832
Maybe .5MOA if you use the bayonet as a monopod.

>>34732850
Nah, that's only feasible with a consistent steady application of his dick on the trigger.

>>34732893
Lewd...

>>34712002
>why doesnt sako import more m76's?
Because Sako has not made just about any rifles since 90s, and pre-95 models were made by Valmet - which was purchased later on by Sako, which on the other hand is nowadays owned by Beretta.

>>34729543
can't really think of any, to be honest the heat is more of like "well, if I really have to come up with something to gripe about..." than an actual issue, with 5 round mags and most people wearing some sort of gloves, this is rarely an issue.

858s had the occasional gremlin, which CSA doesn't have because of a welded tab on the bolt carrier to prevent any possibility of it.

this is the reason for the "VZ is haunted" meme, since there really aren't any legitimate problems anyone can come up with for it

Does timbersmith make wrong handed sks thumbhole stocks?
Maybe I'm not looking at the right place but I can't find any

>>34734904
Gonna be clearing 25 hundo a week what should i buy first? I was thinkin tavor or sg 542

>>34735415
Didnt mean to quote you i just did it to open a post window at bottom of page

>>34735415
>jew blaster
>huehue knockoff
Buy a swiss arms you dingus

>>34735415
>giving me a false hope (You)
Fug you beesh

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vz fags B T F O

I may die from laughter if those things finally get here and it turns out they're a pos.

>>34735730
it probably works great, its not like its made by poo in loo, after all.

>>34735730
t. hillary voter

>>34735741
What is this even supposed to mean

>>34735785
lmao dude get over it just accept that she lost

>>34735785
no clue.

>>34735730
>I may die from laughter if those things finally get here and it turns out they're a pos
That's only if you don't use soy-sauce as lube.

>>34735691
>>34735703
Lel they look like shit
I'm gonna drop 500 more for a vz after all

>>34735691
>>34735703
what are those new rings on the barrel that aren't present in previous photos like >>34710663 ???

>>34736408
That's right spend more money for no real gain you materialistic cuck

>>34736547
looks like it for holding rifle grenades maybe

>>34736547
Better rectal stimulation.

>Sell P320 to get CZ75B
>Recall for P320 announced
Looks like I dodged a bullet.

>>34736593
>no real gain
jej
Keep dreaming, chang

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>>34715924
>>34715984
>>34716032
>>34716067

Moleman eternally BTFO especially with that shit tier "BUT DA ONEZ IN MIDDULZ" line

>>34728514
I want it. so. Bad.

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What's the best camo for central Canadian prairies and forests? CADPAT seems good, but wouldn't something that green be pretty useless near winter? I've heard good things about flecktarn, woodland and multicam, would one of those be better?

>>34737965
all of the above mixed

>>34736408
You won't regret it. I'm still going to buy a type 81, try it out and hold it till it's double the price. Only 1k

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>>34719578
Holy fucking kekd at that pic

>>34732544
>>34730677
Interesting, if receiver is different and most function related parts aren't compatible with the prohib one, this could be a real seller in Cuckada.

Which dealer is going to nut up and start the FRT process for them? Also, what would the cost be in maple pesos, approximately?

>>34738560
Hopefully tactical imports.

Is there any way to get a STG repo in Canada that's not in 22LR?

>>34738971
We might get the HMG one in 3-4 yrs

How long will the Type 81 barrel be in Canada? 17.5" like normal?

>>34739007
HMG hasn't even released their shit the the Amerifat market bud.

>>34739043
Yeah I know. 3-4 years was a little too optimistic of a guess in retrospect

>>34739018
On tactical imports' site it says 18.7"

>>34739096
I'm glad the "bud" successfully hid my nationality.

>>34710663
>Type 81

I got to shoot them in Bangladesh along with the Type 56-2's.

>>34739118
Get out of here you hoser!

>>34739043
They hit in the summer, so hopefully 3ish years is reasonable

>>34739220
>They hit in the summer
>the summer
It's fucking August

>>34737908
Mags are like 300 apiece now. I'd love to trade a Type 56 for it, but I may just keep it myself, if I can find one.

>>34729020
Sent cash, mailing address, etc.

>>34739233
Just saying what their site says, they have a big notice stating shipping soon

>>34739265
Youre going to want it once i get those galil mags converted and refinished

>>34739376
I won't use them. Sell them to recoup the money.

>>34739449
I wont make any money back and wont be able to sell them anyways

>>34739498
TOA are greedy kikes with Galils, sell them to those fat cunts.

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>>34710663
>Be a Burger
>Want a Jericho with a slide mounted safety and a light mount
>Literally can only find "Baby Desert Eagle" marked ones
>know they exist from a pic I saw a year or so ago
>Finally find it
>Pic Related
>Do some more research and find out that this model is only sold in the land of Tim Hortons and syrup

I hate you guys sometimes.

>>34739860
I know your pain, because the only place that has Jerichos with a safety in a not ass-backward spot is Burgerland.

>>34739877
You guys cant carry them anyway though. Also I am left handed so that type of safety actually allows me to properly use the controls on the gun.

Also all this talk of Chink guns kinda makes me a little sad.

>>34739942
>You guys cant carry them anyway though.
Sure, but it's still awkward to rack the slide, especially if you have big hands.

>Also all this talk of Chink guns kinda makes me a little sad.
Sad that you can't have any, or sad that some of us would want Chinese guns?

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>>34739966
I have pic related. I am used to slide mounted safeties.

Also I am sad I can't have one. Just because Norinco was found to be directly selling arms to drug cartels in S.America doesn't mean I should be denied their funs lol.

>>34740009
Jerichos also have smaller slides because of the design of CZ type guns. Berettas have bigger slides with more to grab onto.

Also imagine how cheap Chinese funs would be down there, what with your dollar. Could get an M14 that's actually worth the price you pay.

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>>34740034
Ehh its nothing some grip tape couldn't solve on the front part of the slide lol. But in all seriousness its more of just a range toy and HD gun for me anyway.

Their shotguns which are still legal for import for reasons are still cheap as all hell.

>>34713334
Any chance of seeing one in Burger Land?

>>34740780
Unless you have a canadian buddy who doesn't give a shit and smuggles it through the border, nope.

>>34740072
What the fuck, how's the build quality? I had no idea there were Chinese 1897's that cheap.

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>it's a I keep changing my mind about which gun I want to buy next every 10 minutes episode

>>34738560
Well, Canada Ammo isn't biting.

>>34740780
I'll trade for a WASR.

Should I sell my NR vz58 and buy a short-barrel one? I don't even shoot on crown land and the fuck-huge barrel is goofy.

>>34741261
Try aztech armory

>>34741405
I just sent an email to Tactical Imports. We'll see how they react. They like bringing in "oddball" guns that just skirt past prohibition (Skorpions), so we'll see. It'd look a hell of a lot less goofy than the non-restricted BRS-99's.

>>34741423
Ew, prepare for them to be way way too expensive on arrival.

>>34741441
You say that, but not all their guns are super expensive.

>>34741450
Skorpions originally sold at 1k, couldn't sell everyone else sold them at $700
Selling FAMAE rifles at the same cost that Swiss arms were pre-ban.
They have been getting better but they still price gouge the shit out of things.

>>34741469
I bought the M84 from them when they dropped the price. Its a good Firearm though, haven't had issues with it.

>>34741469
SAP-6 came out at 600 bucks. The T-81 is 1k.

>>34741506
>SAP-6
Gratz on playing Italian prices for turkish knockoffs of the Valtro PM5.

>>34741506
600 bucks is 200 too much for a pump shotgun

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>>34741072
John the Ironclad used to carry those for dirt cheap for a long time, there was a trench model with bayonet and sexy heat shield (picrelated) and the basic one, like in burgerbro's pic. stopped a few years back. some people are now bugging CanAm to ask our yellow overlords to make some for us again. people on CGN generally love them, no reported issues
>not surprising, their 870 clones called Grizzly are arguably better than the actual Remington Express models currently being sold as the main line of 870, since they're based off the old school Police model and use better processes and materials; also incidentally making them heavier, 12" Grizzly is reportedly heavier than a 18.5" Express

>>34741623
I'd include this video that shows the pros and cons of a 1897

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO343bBwmTs

>>34741642
great video
I guess someone who wants an 1897 would understand that it isn't going to have a number of modern features we're used to today, so I'd call them older design elements, rather than cons.
StG 44 is a pretty bad rifle by most modern standards, but there are tons of people who are so crazy about it, they'll but a .22lr just because it looks like the StG

>>34710699
how?

>>34741642
He's wrong about the hammer spring. Springs weaken due to the number of cycles, not duration of a cycle. Continuous pressure could, however, deform the material on either side of the spring.

>>34741767
I'd focus on the factors of ammunition safety (don't use the wrong ammunition with the 1897) and with the safety concerns with the firearm he demonstrated.

>>34741843
He talks about spring damage in this video. I am not in full agreement but he provides a decent argument.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pch0J9-7i2k

>>34742195
Spring compression can damage a MAGAZINE, but it doesn't damage the spring itself. The feed lips, in particular. It can also deform the cartridges in the magazine.

>>34742245
He also covers springs in general. He isn't saying that he is the definitive truth and authority on the matter. He is merely presenting his experience and perspective on the matter.

He ultimately leaves it up to the viewer.

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>>34742298
Material science is pretty clear on it, though. The only reason a spring would weaken is from having the spring compressed beyond its limit of elastic deformation, at which point the duration of the compression still wouldn't matter. Hell, since most springs are made of steel, if the stress amplitude is below a certain point, it won't even get metal fatigue and could conceivably function forever barring you fucking the temper via high temperature or letting the thing turn to dust from oxidation. Pic related.

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Anyone know if IRGuns takes Visa Debit cards?

>>34742834
Gonna say no as they deal in USD.

>>34739525
Registration Transfer has been initiated.

>>34742331
in the interest of being autistically specific, you could also wear your springs out from friction against the mag body

>>34743001
Still, the point is that you'd have to either design the magazine poorly or misuse it.

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How long does it take for your application to show up in the horse cops system after they receive it? Im going on about two weeks since it arrived and still nothing in their system.

>>34742834
Don't deal with IRG

>>34743641

did you send it registered mail?

>>34736408
>that pencil barrel tho

>>34743899
Why they were good when I delt with them

>>34743939
Moleman is an Aztec shill

>>34743922
yes

>>34715700

The company name means State's Metal factories (Valtion Metallitehtaat), they've made all kinds of things over the years

>>34710709
>>34710755
>>34710699
Literally a 900$ SKS

>>34744533
Dubs of truth

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>>34744533

>>34710663
How much to import a rifle from the states? I found a gat I really want.

>>34745066
125$ +$26.95 from Aztech armory. Or 225$ +shipping from Irunguns. Aztech armory doesnt pin mags if you tell them you dont want rivets in your mag, helps ic theyre expensive mags

How is shooting 357 magnum out of a rifle?
I'm thinking about getting a lever action that's fun and cheap to shoot but I need some recoil to enjoy it.

>>34745188
>hurr durr 225 from irunguns
>I don't know how to end a sentence and my sks is 1 moa but you should trust me!

>>34745188
it's okay it's a 5 round bolt action.
hmm 525 USD + 30 USD shipping to exporter + 150 CAD would add up to be a bit, but I guess it's the best option

>>34745365
I wouldn't take mole's word as fact, were I you.

>>34745404
This

>>34729377

You can find them for relatively cheaper in Finland/Europe, but then you need to find an exporter/importer whoo is willing to bring one in. I've heard that you can get one for less than 3k maple bux this way (I've heard ad low as 2.2k with extra mags), but take that with a grain of salt.

>>34731314
It's based on the original AR10 spec, which isn't named in the Firearms Act, and it predates the AR15. The SR25 is based on both the AR10 and AR15 which is why those are restricted (variant).

>>34746318
No, it's very specifically based on the AR-102.
https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_123/524852_.html

>>34746385
this is correct, didn't feel like correcting that anon good on you.

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Anyone tried taking multiple rifles through Air Canada? I'm thinking of putting 2 rifles in a double case to take on vacation to maximize the $50 "handling fee", but do they charge per weapon, per case, or flat fee?

For reference, the website says "One rifle case containing no more than two rifles" is considered one item, but below it states "all accepted firearms are subject to a handling charge of $50.00."

Opinions / experiences?

>>34748856
If the firearm is going to another Province, I'm pretty sure you have to inform the Chief Firearms Officer of your current Province, or whatever that bloody title is. Just saying; correct me if I'm wrong.

>>34745322
Youve clearly never had irunguns import something for you
>>34745365
+gst, dont forget gst
>>34745404
Ive imported lots of shit, aztech armory is bro tier. Can calculate the exact cost of importing something for someone

>>34748856
Pretty sure Westjet doesn't charge you for firearm transport, just use them

>>34742834
Ordered 10 AK Mags for my KD a while back and besides iffy mag seating, pretty great.

They take Visa Debs, that's how I paid 'em.

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Will the TIkka T3x CTR in 6.5 ever be back in stock?

>>34749210
Neither have you. Your reading comprehension is so terrible you sperged out and cancelled your order.
>>34750030
I hope so friendo.

>>34745289
It's a real hoot. You get a real nice power boost out of the 16-20" barrel. You actually don't get a lot of recoil, though. .38s feel like .22s. If you want cheap shooting with a bit of recoil, get a .45-70 and start reloading.

>>34750030
I think Dante has them as part of a package deal with a scope.

What should I do to practice for my PAL and RPAL? Or are the courses from fseso.org usually good enough to be able to pass?

>>34750481
literally nothing, go there and wing it. by having found your way on to /k/ you'll get at least 95%.

>>34750504
Coolio, want my license so I can go hunting and plinking. My grandpa has an antique Peacemaker from his time in the mounties Im getting as well.

>>34750143
My order is on its way, what do you work with irunguns?

What does everybody have against IRunGuns? I bought a 1911 from them in May. It showed up exactly when they said it would and worked just fine when I shot it.

>>34751152
Its not everybody. It's just one autistic ragfag.

>>34751152
They have a retarded import fee compared to aztech armory

>>34750481
http://www.gunexams.com/Non-Restricted-FREE-Practice-Exams

>>34752774
The 122 gr FMJ Norinco non-corrosive is completely steel-free, right?
My bro picked up 600 rounds of the stuff for me (He's awesome) and I just wanted to confirm we could shoot it off at any rifle range.

>>34753066
Derp. Didn't mean to quote that post.

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Getting an Savage in .308 looking for a decent optic see a Vortex Viper 3.5-10×50 going for $400

The main use for the rifle will be target shooting.

Should I look for something better that can hold zero or will this do the job just fine.

New thread?