John Brown gun club

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>>34706865

>>34706865
just put the light on the gun and stop using that stupid light on a hard hat. that make no sense

>>34706865
Larping communists and possibly some domestic terrorists.

>>34706924
>/thread

Just a bunch of greasy shitskins and scrawny beta cucks larping with maybe one guy who is actually interested in guns. That's what their videos looked like, at least.

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>>34706865
Infiltrate them and report your findings here. Gathering intelligence is the ultimate LARP.

>>34706974
Apparently one of their Facebook mods is a tranny. I wonder if it posts here?

>>34706865
I remember one of the podcasts/youtubers I follow, NeverEnuffAmmo, interviewed one of them. They try to sound reasonable at first but five seconds in they dive into batshit stupid. And what I seen online and in the news...they're just LARPing commies with itchy trigger fingers

>>34706865
John Brown wasn't a communist. He was friends with Lysander Spooner, who was a proto-ancap.

>>34707160
They are trying to use reverse psychology to swell the communist ranks.

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Interesting to see the word "LARP" come back. You know, guise, people other than angry white dudes like guns sometimes

>>34707160
I know who John Brown is, i just think it's weird that a bunch of commies and sjw's would use him as their mascot.

>>34707246
Because niggers. That's as far as what they've been indoctrinated to believe tells them.

>>34707160
I guess being a failed businessmen and millita leader is pretty much proto-ancap.

>>34707246
Malcom X and other black radicals praised John Brown as the greatest "white ally" to black people.

>>34707376
Spooner wasn't a failed businessman. He was a successful lawyer. John Brown's businesses may have failed, but when he gave his life that other men might be free, it was not in vain.

>>34707459
I was referring to John Brown. I actually like him I was just trying to make an ancap joke.

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>>34707496

sounds like some gay fudd shit for moldy labia types; id stay away

>>34707241

Really? The commies look like a bunch of angry white dudes and some token minorities.

>>34707555
>fudd shit
>moldy labia types
Pick one.

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>>34706865
>What does /k/ think of the John Brown gun club?
Commies LARPing as rednecks, which if you think about it is kind of hilarious. They are really asking to be FBI'd at this point.

>They keep advertising a "community bbq" that will be in a park about a mile from where i live on September 2nd.
You know, it would be a shame for someone to take note of who says what and report that to the proper authorities if it is suspicious. Not like anybody wants weatherman underground 2.0 running around. Even if they are friendly, it would still be nice to know who your "neighbors" are.

>>34707578
arent fudds usually the COME AND TAKE IT, MUH GLASGEN SNEK, I NEEDS MUH GUN 2 SCARE DA GUVMENT types? i feel like that sort of belligerent idiocy is more a countryside hunter/farmer thing than an urban shooting enthusiast thing

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>>34707542

>>34707584
what if it is fbi'd and its like htat one book where there’s a revolutionary group literally only made up of a series of informants from unrelated police agencies

I'm delighted by the concept of a leftist militia group. Perhaps gun rights will become less of a partisan issue. But they sure seem to be a bunch of idiots, sadly.

>>34707605
>arent fudds usually the COME AND TAKE IT, MUH GLASGEN SNEK, I NEEDS MUH GUN 2 SCARE DA GUVMENT types?
No. They are the kind of guys that think that firearms peaked with five round box magazines, you'll find them at your lgs taking about deer hunting while spreading misinformation or "fuddlore." Approach with caution, they are nice enough but can and will talk your ears off.

>>34707669
weird, i assumed all rural americans were anti-government weirdos, and most of the bootlickers were found in the suburbs, with the cities being a mixture of the alt right and dire sjws

>>34707698
>buying into leftist media propaganda this hard

>>34707698
t. high schooler who reads /pol/ for news

>>34707698
>assumed
Yeah, don't do that.

>>34707669
Fudds are the ones who think firearm rights should extend exactly to the point of whatever is enough to humanely kill a deer.

I'd fuck that fat, greasy spic/shitskin bitch from the Arizona chapter.

>>34707698
Only in really insular enclaves do you ever really see homogenous political thought in the US.

For the most part everyone who doesn't get really annoying about political purity has neighbours who they disagree with who they are cordial to or like, it's just that politics isn't polite conversation matter.

Anyways antigoverment militia types normally leave the city if they are able to economically, so they tend to be poorly represented there, but the Venn diagram of fudds and AGMers has limited overlap.

>>34707241

this is true, I've met some really angry black people that liked guns

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>>34709475
I'm sure her pussy is hairy and she smells weird, but I'd breed this fat greasy spic bitch and improve her bloodline by pumping her womb full of a half-white, half-shitskin baby.

>>34709772
>I've met some really angry black people that liked guns

Literally everyone I talk to about guns is black except a couple. No whites unless you count most of the staff at LGS/ranges. Then again I live in an urban area and YMMV

>>34707605
You don't know what a fudd is. By definition, fudds think guns are only for hunting, not fighting, and definitely not for fighting authority figures.
>>34707698
>rural americans were anti-government weirdos
No, most of them are dumb, jingoistic rednecks.

>>34709908
You don't know where all that cheap food comes from, do you asshole?

>>34707698
>with the cities being a mixture of the alt right and dire sjws

Just because extremist faggots wave their arms around and crave attention doesn't mean they are actually prevalent. They just make for good news stories / social media posts.

You forgot the obligatory "antifa" reference, too

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>>34709938
Put it this way: we know where all the Hillary voters live.

>>34709988

>urban areas vote democrat.

Astounding, Phil.

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>>34709828
I bet butterbeans jeans didn't come from the store like that.

>>34710491
With those stupid faggots who knows? She might have paid extra for the pre-ripped ones. I like the nickname for her. From now on she will be known as Butterbean.

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>>34707160
Correct. And Marxists are retarded.
In my area, antifa actually own a bar.
That makes a profit, employs (exploits) people, and voluntarily exchanges goods and services.

They follow a political ideology that's responsible for 150,000,000 deaths.
These people are as dumb as they are childish.

>>34706959
>some domestic terrorists
>some

The reason that most people don't consider these commies to be terrorists is because most people are brainwashed from a young age to believe that the left cannot be extreme.

>>34707653
>I'm delighted

Why? These people do not value gun ownership, they see it as something as temporarily useful in their retarded fantasy.

>>34707653
>Nobody NEEDS a high capacity assault clip fully semi automatic machine gun!
>except when we do to #RESIST #DRUMPF fuck white people
this is literally the entirety of their thought process. I'm confident they would immediately turn all of their guns into modern art after SHE gets HER TURN.

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>>34706865
They're commies LARPing as Rednecks.
Look at the pics they post, not more than a couple would be what you consider a "red neck".
They're mostly numales and feminist commies.

Pic related
Asheboro's chapter

>>34709828
Every girl with dreadlocks has an active chlamydia infection. It's like a scientific fact.

>>34707246
He was a literal criminal who was thankfully stopped.

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>>34707478
>Liking the would be founder of the antebellum BLM

>>34707605
KYS newfag

>>34709828
Me on the right

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>>34712768

They aren't liberals, they hate Clinton, as any good socialist should.

>>34712772

>The term "redneck" in the early 20th century was occasionally used in reference to American coal miner union members who wore red bandannas for solidarity. The sense of "a union man" dates at least to the 1910s and was especially popular during the 1920s and 1930s in the coal-producing regions of West Virginia, Kentucky, and Pennsylvania.[19]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_Wars

Redneck wars unironically a term used to describe radical leftists in the 1910-30s.

>>34712636

Antifa aren't Marxists, it's an umbrella anti fascist group. Theoretically even AnCaps are welcome there if they oppose right wing authoritarians.

I feel bad for them. They're anti-gun SJWs pretending to be rednecks. They're obviously uncomfortable in their own skin, and they think they'll be able to defend themselves from the "evil" and "inevitable" right wing death squads.

Don't think for a second, though, that they would stand up for second amendment rights. The second "the revolution" stops, at least the combat part, they will force any remaining right wingers to surrender their arms.

Communists never will fight for an individual right. Do not even pretend that these commies are a gun-rights group. They're the bad guys.

>>34712948
Antifa waves a red and black banner, the symbol of anarcho-communists. Inside the antifa "seal" or logo, is a very clearly depicted an-com flag. Antifa is/are Marxists.

>>34712948
They are very much marxists.

Well, they're doing more than most on /k/ will ever achieve so I'll give them that.
Really, they're pro labor Union and against racism. It's not much more complicated than that and I'm glad they're giving space to people in redneck areas that aren't into stormfag shit.
Also as >>34712940 alluded to, the history of poor/working class whites is one of struggle for unions and labor equity.

Being strongly pro labor and pro gun, I'd love to check one out but there aren't any chapters near me.

>>34712994
there are a lot of assumptions going on in this post

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>>34713271
I am strongly anti-union. I feel that the work of unions was important, but with the development of worker protection (working hours regs, OSHA, et al.) the conventional unskilled union is obsolete. I believe modern unions (CSEA, UAW, Teamsters) serve only to drive up costs and limit workplace accountability. I think that skilled trade unions still have a role, though.

If you are willing, please help me understand your thought process. I am not looking to change my mind, and I don't care to change yours.

>Pic for response, and because I am proud of my work.

>>34712928
>antifa
>hating Hillary
tbqh they're probably not "good socialists"

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>>34712948
they consider anyone over X=0 a nazi
ancaps would most certainly be unwelcome

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>>34713271
If you're pro white working class why not be nat soc instead of >>34713300
a commie? The laborer was much better off in Nazi germany than the USSR

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>>34713012

Anarchists aren't Marxists. They have been two distinct ideologies since the Marx-Bakunin split of the First International in the 19th century.
>>34713068

Antifa is not a centralized organization, it's a banner than literally anybody can operate under. Any group of people can get together and call themselves Antifa. There are a lot of socialists and anarchists there sure, but there are also a lot of liberals (who are economically pro capitalist), they often use the 3 arrow symbol which is both anti-fascist and anti-communist. Pic related.

They're a weird group of people. Handful of people who actually give a fuck about guns and shoot, mostly nutjobs and numales of various stripes. I only have one friend who identifies as a socialist, likes guns, and isn't a total piece of shit, and he hates these fucking people.

He went to a meeting and said that everyone expects someone else to do the heavy lifting, the women are uppity cunts, and that some people actually brought air soft guns. They're fucking losers and I HOPE they try something.

>>34713372
you're assuming people are anti-gun because they don't hold the same political beliefs as you

>>34713382
I guess you skipped the Marx part of history of economic thought. No big deal.
Marxism calls for a stateless and classless society with common ownership of the means of production. Thats, quite literally, what antifa wants.

>>34713382
Anarchists are marxists when they combine anarchism and marxism, retard.
Anarcho-communism and anarcho-syndicalism are marxist ideologies.

And the Iron Front isn't liberal.
>>>/reddit/

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>>34713372

Fascism and National """Socialism""" is just authoritarian capitalism. Working class movements like trade unions were crushed in Nazi germany and the relationship between the government and major German capitalists was extremely close.

>>34713323

Those rights and privileges won by the unions of the 20s and 30s were won with blood sweat and tears. They are like any other rights, if you aren't vigilant, if you don't constantly defend them, they will be taken away from you. Porkies have a vested interest in dismantling the privileges that have been so hard won, and they are literally constantly working to cut wages and benefits, worsen conditions, and destroy the bargaining power of workers. If we let them then they'll have us working 14 hours a day 6 days a week for 50 cents an hour, in unsanitary and unsafe conditions, policed by corporate thugs ready to bust our heads of we dare stand up to them, just like they did to our great grandparents.

>>34713426

They literally killed the people at the top who wanted to expand socialism in Germany. The SA was neutered when they started calling for an extension of the "revolution."

>>34713420
>>34713410

Anarchism and Marxism are both communist ideologies, but they have major differences in how to achieve communism. Anarchists want to immediately implement a stateless classless society, whereas Marxists want a transitionary state controlled by the working class (dictatorship of the proletariat). In practice this makes them very different, since Marxists have no problem with turning to authority and state power to secure their goals, whereas Anarchists vehemently oppose this. The differences are big enough that blood has been spilled between the two (Red Army vs Black Army in the Russian Civil War, CNT-FAI vs PSUC in the Spanish Civil War.)

>>34713410

yes everyone knows communists want a society that is completely impossible

>>34713426
I'm not even a Nazi but you're wrong about the laborer being oppressed in Germany. There was no need for labor unions because the govenremt protected the workers. The major capitalists owed loyalty to the state and the unit of currency they used (deutsch mark) was backed by the labor of the German people. Nazi germany was probably the greatest time for a working class German man to be alive (if he wasn't Jewish)

>>34713336
>shadman

>>34713323
On a fundamental level I support CIO style unions because I believe that democracy should exist in some form at the workplace. Considering how much of our lives are spent working, unions are the best avenue to give the workforce some control over their environment.

Having a legally enforceable contract is nice, too. I know far too many people who've lost simple things like a 401k match or whatever.

Local unions tend to do a lot of charity work in whatever neighborhood they're located in but that's just an ancillary nicety.

>>34713372
Contrary to what /pol/ thinks, not every socialist is a communist.

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>>34712948
They absolutely are Marxists. They follow critical theory and cultural Marxism, they're slight at hand whores for the Frankfurt School. Marxist/Red Front/Bolsheviks all of those fuckers have always been pet goy fighters for Jewish Intellectuals. Free thought, proper liberalism, and individuality is a dead concept to them, and you can be shunned by their cult like following for questioning or straying from ideals. This is undisputable

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>>34713382
Ancaps, Socialists, Commies, Progressives are all pet fighters for Jewish think tanks and NGOs. You may think there is slight to mediocre differences historically between the ideologies, but the modern Left are all Anti Constitution, Anti Liberalism, and abide by critical theory, which is an upheaval of the fundamentals/philosophical foundation that many of us on the Right, as well as many Americans, believe is the core makeup of our beliefs, as well as the zeitgest for being an American. Now for some fire. Your stupid halfbred R*ddit posts aren't going to convince anyone you pawn. The right, with all it's variations in political ideals, still believes in individual liberty and the Constitution. This is completely incompatible with the pre packaged utopian views champion by the modern Left, because they believe in a victim hiearchy and collectivism, and hate proper liberalism. This vast cultural differences between us will ALWAYS make us enemies, even if we agree that the system is fucked by central banks and international banking elements

Tl;Dr: just read it, you've got nothing better to do

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>>34706865
Yes, they are larping commies. As well as you OP, because they're like twenty guys(female) and you're advertising for their barbecues. And take this to /pol/, this has nothing to do with weapons.
>>34713382
They are a centralized organization because they have been paid to protest before. That makes them an organization.

>>34712894
The fat neckbeard or the gay with mantits? Set me up with Butterbean.

>>34713539

It's debatable as to whether or not critical theory and the Frankfurt school were even Marxists, since they had an over focus on cultural forces and how thy shape society, whereas Marxism is focused on how economic forces shape society, including culture. Without the primacy of materialism and economics it isn't Marxism.

Regardless, Anarchists aren't Marxists as I explained. Anarchists don't consider themselves Marxists and Marxists don't consider them to be either. The ideological split between the two groups predates the Frankfurt school, which came out of the Marxist camp.

>>34713475

I didn't say Nazi Germany was automatically shit for the workers, I said it wasn't socialism. All it really did was use a stick and carrot approach to labour agitation, they bribed workers with concessions while at the same time crushing their ability to oppose capital and the government. If the workers tried to get any more concessions that hadn't already been pre approved by the state they were brutally crushed. This essentially has the effect of pacifying working class movements and ensuring that capitalists continued to hold the dominant position. It was just social democracy at the barrel of a gun.

>>34713705
>If the workers tried to get any more concessions that hadn't already been pre approved by the state they were brutally crushed.

what concessions were working germans denied during the nazi years?

why would the working class need to form movements if the state they're working for is helping them?

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>>34713605

I legitimately don't understand how people can believe that communists or anarchists, of all groups, are somehow in the service of global elite forces. Communists would gulag the Jewish bankers if given the chance.

>Anti Liberalism

Socialism actually grows directly out of classical liberalism, it's the logical conclusion of much of enlightenment thought imo.

Elements of socialist thought are scattered all through Mill, Smith, Rousseau, and Locke. For example Locke is the originator of the labour theory of value, and states that the ultimate slavery lies in being denied access to the product of one's labour. Smith also backed the LTV (although both his and Locke's were different from Marx's, but had a similar basis), and in addition Smith argued that the state is and always has been the tool of the rich to maintain dominance over the poor. Rousseau argued that private property creates artificial scarcity, thus making the poor dependent on the rich for survival and thus private property is the basis of hierarchical society and tyranny. Milk argues that the limits of freedom lie at the point in which the freedoms of others are taken away, and that any action or inaction that causes the unfreedom of another human being is by nature tyrannical. This can be applied to the unfreedom experienced under economic dictatorship such as in a corporation, or to the unfreedom caused by poverty.

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>>34709828
I like how they mark their "medics".

>>34713745
Because to achieve dissolution of the state the state must first achieve total power.
They work to increase the power of the state, thinking that they'll be the ones in charge of it. They are useful idiots.

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>>34713605

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>>34713705
Arguing about slight difference in grammatical definition means fuckall to me. I've lived in Denver, I know how far Left groups work. They're a cult, free speech is not acceptable, and as a white male I'm supposed to know my place which is the bottom of the victim hiearchy. The only way for white men to regulate themselves in Left leaning circles is to be submissive and censor your speech, and thoughts, essentially intellectual cuckdom. You can play Commie all you want on here, but the reality is you know your place if your In Group is filled with Blacks, Hispanics, and other "victimized minorities". If you don't and you speak freely, someone will happily come in to check you. Nobody wants your shitty cult ideology here. If Trump had never won, most of these groups would be cheering Hillary on as she dismantled the 2A, they only became "Pro 2A" recently when they felt their interests(whatever the fuck those are) were threatened. Many of us have been Pro 2A for many many years, it isn't just some hip fringe ideal to us like you new commie larpers. Eat a bag of cock

>>34713745
>Hurrrr Socialism grew out of Liberalism so it is exactly the same and is for you
Your whole social/cultural philosophy is setup on the belief that nobody is created equal, and that is the fault of Whiteness or White people as an oppressive group. White privilege rules, not the state. You'll never convince me that any left leaning philosophy will be beneficial to my interests as a white man. Once again eat a bag of dick, also KYS

>>34713799

>the state must achieve total power

If you ask Stalin and his retarded followers maybe. Anarchists would vehemently disagree, they want to dismantle the state wholesale as quickly as possible, without any intermediary period of DotP. Even among Marxists the exact nature of the worker's state is heavily disputed, and even as early as Lenin you had prominent Marxists like Rosa Luxemburg accusing him of expanding state power too much and being too authoritarian. From a libertarian Marxist perspective the state actually ought to be totally incapable of doing anything without a direct mandate from the people through direct democratic institutions like workers councils. The whole idea of a worker's state managed by a technocratic elite is unique to the brand of socialism which was created by Lenin and broke off of the mainstream of his day, and unfortunately grew to be dominant due to the relative success of the USSR vs the failure of other experiments like the German Revolution of 1919.

So there isn't really any way the state envisioned by non-Leninist Marxists could be used for the ends of any kind of global elite, since it would require power being placed directly in the hands of the population themselves.

>>34713718
Because the state might not always be on their side. The idea that you can always trust the government to be on your side is foolish. This is why even in a system where the government is CURRENTLY on your side, you need unions to maintain that.

>>34713840
Kek I gave a TLDR dingus

>>34712772
>Muslim woman holding hands with white male

Funny, she'd be immediately stoned or lashed by the tolerant moderate Muslims she and her friends are trying so hard to import.

>>34713847

>let me tell you what you believe: the post

I'll admit that the identity politics is far to prevalent in the modern left, and I want to see it dead and buried desu. All this white guilt nonesense needs to stop, and we need to regain the primacy of class based thought. All working class people, regardless of race, should be treated as equals, and race itself should cease to exist as a concept. Black identitarian groups are just as cancerous as white nationalists and if I had my way I'd put them against the wall. The rejection of free speech is also shameful imo, since many leftists like Eugene Debbs fought hard for those rights and went to prison for them.

Pic related sums up my views on the issue.

there the one group of "gun owners" (let's be honest most of these assholes are borrowing a parents gun for these events) that manages to be more autistic then /k/ I didn't think it was possible to be more autistic then us frankly i think we should get the ACLU to shame them for appropriating our autism culture

>>34709988
you and Ruby are the worst trips

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>>34713882

Forgot pic fuck.

>>34712636
kill it with fire

>>34713850
>stalin and his retarded followers
you mean every communist that held any amount of influence*

>>34713323
>limit workplace accountability.
This is why I'm against unions now.

In college I was an electrician. Then I was a cop for a decade. Then I started teaching.

In each career I've seen the absolute worst people protected by the unions. I've seen the union fight tooth and nail for terrible cops who stole and sold drugs. I've watched the teachers union fight for a year and a half to protect a teacher who slept in his classroom at night and drank on the job.

Unions now serve only one purpose; as a lobbying and moneymaking group for the Democratic Party.

>>34713889
you also forgot to download the real pic, instead of the thumbnail

>>34713401
>He went to a meeting and said that everyone expects someone else to do the heavy lifting
Sounds like socialism alright

>>34713899

Only after the Russian Revolution. The reason why Stalinism was so prevalent in the latter half of the 20th century was because the postwar communist movements deliberately copied the Soviet Union, since it seemed quite successful from the outside. Just because the Soviet method became dominant doesn't mean it's the only model.

So where do 3%ers and Sovereign Citizens fall?

>>34713919

Idk about III% but I actually kind of like the Oathkeepers. They're anti-communist sure, but I get the feeling that they are genuine libertarians and could be open to some libsoc ideas. Not to mention they aren't cop bootlickers unlike a lot of other supposed patriot groups.

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>>34713882
Look bud I know you love history and you keep quoting historical precedent for Commies,/Socialism, but the fact of the matter is the modern Left is Culturally Marxists, so your pure Economical/Political philosophy on Marxism won't hold weight with the people in your in group. Those cancerous identity politic groups don't have the Intellectual capacity to understand the political/economic side, nor do they care about the historical underpinnings of Socialism/Maxism. Until you figure out how to reconcile with a bunch of stupid people, who get a hard-on with their favorite celebrity intellectual prostitutes makes a Drumph joke or bring up white privilege, you are doomed to fracture and split. This same thing happened to the counter culture movement of the 60/70s. Too much narcissism mixed with an inability to understand higher political ideals.

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>>34713889

I count TWO pixels.

>>34713936
You're so close to jumping fence, I can feel it. Just let go dude, come back to sanity. You can keep your political/economic ideals, it's the cultural views on the left that is your anchor and weight. There is no end to the social rabbit hole of Insanity, whatever fringe "Progressive" ideal is paraded next, they'll follow it with little to no thought process.

>>34713937

The fact is that you are already seeing a return to old left economic philosophy and the libshits that pass for leftists these days are screaming their heads off about it. Look at all the screeching about how Bernie is a FUCKING WHITE MALE, the same is true of Corbyn in the U.K. It's because these people mark a shift back to the left's roots and it's original ideals of universalism and anti-identitarianism. Redneck Revolt is part of that current, since they explicitly try to appeal to white working class people instead of alienating them by telling them how evil and privileged they are.

>>34713918
Stalin did nothing that Lenin didn't do before him

>>34713962

I already reject a lot of the cultural views of the modern left. My view is a universalist one, that racism/sexism are stupid and wrong and need to be opposed wherever they appear, including when blacks are racist or women are sexist. There's no way I'll jump the fence economically, or embrace any kind of identity politics like white nationalism.

>>34707605
>urban shooting enthusiast

I suspect gangbangers are capable of plenty of belligerent idiocy.

>>34707653
Leftist militia groups are what caused GCA68. These people are not your friends, nor do they care about your rights.

>>34713984

Lenin started the trend sure, but he was operating in different circumstances in time of civil war, great political upheaval, etc. What Lenin did was not only less extreme, but somewhat more justifiable given the context. I'm still pretty critical of him, and I think he did plenty of things that weren't justified, but not as much as I am of Stalin.

>>34713936
I'm not talking about CuckKeepers. I mean the ones wise to the (((bankers)))

>>34714022

>leftists demand protection of gun rights
>right wingers get scared and tighten gun control
>hurr durr leftists aren't your friends trust the NRA

The only reason why the political establishment on the right allows people to have guns is because they don't see the average gun owner as a threat to their establishment. The Black Panthers on the other hand were.

>>34713969
So will you become a racially exclusive political group? Because the demographic shift is already happening, and these people don't give two fucks about your political message if you're white. Some of them can't even have discourse without bringing up Whiteness because they don't know how to debate and take pseudo half baked social theories as fact,because they can't understand. The other problem you face is Universities openly teach Critical Theory as fact, hard science. My modern political thought class, the teacher would pepper the discussions with it. As she would simultaneously preach tolerance and acceptance, she'd bring up White Privilege and that is in itself a prejudice concept because it teaches people are o judge based on skin color, exactly opposite of the tolerant policies she championed. It's an absolute mess

>>34713969
>Bernie is a FUCKING WHITE MALE
hes a COMMIE JEW

>>34714024
in what context were his actions justifiable?

>>34707005
Despite the fact that they've never fired a round and their arsenal includes a lot of debunked Airsoft?

>>34707698
>i assumed all rural americans were anti-government weirdos

Just the pot growers. Most of the rest of us are just regular working stiffs, tryna get by. Rural areas tend conservative because we don't have the tax base to support a lot of gibs, hell, most of our fire departments are volunteer. Self sufficiency is a very real survival trait.

>>34709908
>No, most of them are dumb, jingoistic rednecks.

And you wear skinny jeans, have an odd haircut, piercings, chain smoke European cigarettes, and sometimes use eyeliner.

You work as a barista at the same coffee shop where you won the poetry slam, and are finishing up your degree in Environmental Science. You wanted to go for Environmental Engineering, but that required a math class.

Stereotyping works both ways.

>>34713969
>how evil and privileged they are.
Except any left-leaning group will eventually espouse that at some time or another. I cannot take Redneck Revolt seriously enough to even consider its message, how the hell would you expect them to achieve any sort of societal upheaval/change? Furthermore, despite your explanations I see no reason why I should be endorsing these viewpoints.

>>34712928

The only good socialist is a dead socialist.

>>34714065

The context of a civil war and simultaneous invasion by five foreign powers. Such a scenario isn't exactly conducive of democracy and freedom. The main issue I have with him would be not laying the groundwork to dismantle shit like the ban on factions within the party and lack of autonomy for the Soviets (worker's councils which were to be the main organs of democracy in the USSR). I probably wouldn't have done this, but I can understand the rationale behind it. Then again he did die just a couple years after the war ended, and the external threat from the West was very much still there, so it's impossible to say what he would have done if he had the chance. It's also important to note that Lenin was hardly a dictator, since the structure of the Bolshevik party at that time wasn't nearly as rigid or dictatorial as it later became under Stalin. Lenin was often outvoted by other members on important issues and so many of the things attributed to him may not have actually been his decisions.

Stalin on the other hand was governing after the revolution had already been more firmly established, and was also ruling in peacetime before the war. He should have immediately reinstated the political power of the Soviets and lifted the ban on factions in the party, but instead he tightened both.

>>34714422
he started the imprisonment of political opponents and their use as slave labor very shortly before he died.
there was no pressure from outside invaders at that time

>>34714390

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>how evil and privileged they are.
Except any left-leaning group will eventually espouse that at some time or another.

The majority of the history of the socialist movement would disagree with you. This SJW shit is a recent development, it really only came into being along with intersectionality (which is a fundamentally anti-Marxist concept) and third wave feminism, which only appeared in the latter half of the 20th century.

>>34714035

>So will you become a racially exclusive political group?

Uh no? I just said I support human universalism and treating people equally regardless of race.

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>>34714444

>he started the imprisonment of political opponents and their use as slave labor very shortly before he died.
>there was no pressure from outside invaders at that time

There was still pressure, since a number of Western counties, particularly Britain, were frothing at the mouth to crush the Bolsheviks. And again, I do think Lenin was too authoritarian as did many other leftists of his day, I'm just somewhat more forgiving of him than Stalin because of his situation.

Also literally every country at the time used slave labour. The US still uses it today in prison.

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>>34714482

More gulag info.

>>34714482
lenin died in 1924, 9 years before hitler and the anti-soviets came to power. berlin was still a communist-sympathizing zone

as for your disinformation on the gulag system, it was slave labor far beyond the US, and no records of executions were needed.
read gulag archipelago if you want a well-cited and informative opinion on the gulag system, not some apologetic blog

>>34714525

Not that guy, but Germany was neutered, Berlin supporting the reds isn't a very good argument for them being secure.

>>34714536
>>34714525
oh woops. i misread "britain" as "berlin"

My two cents:

They are commies who are being funded like Antifa, BAMN, and BLM by leftist political groups and you know, the Dark Lord Soros himself. They are the Regressive Left's attempt to try and salvage some support from whites that they mostly alienated in the Midwest and South.

They are also their new "WE RACE WAR NOW" ploy. Hear me out on this. What type of person does Antifa attract? Just picture your average Commie Ninja. And think of their mental state. Without a doubt "crazy" is what most of us think as Antifa opponents. Now think about BAMN. More of the same. Now BLM. More of the same...just blacker.


This is the fourth large group like this, and it is starting out much like the other groups. They get some positive attention, people come out and say "Oh look how peaceful they are,they care about the common..." But just like the other groups mentioned here, they WILL degrade into a fucking dumpster fire.

This time however, every member will be armed. They will attract tards from Antifa, and they will arm them. They may even teach them semi-decent weapons handling. But then we come back to that mental state.

A bunch of mentally ill fucks being sent into, or attracted to a group arming people, or saying "bring your guns" to tards who know ZERO about guns.

Do you think that one of these guys isn't going to have a blue haired, 400ib, non-binary meltdown? Except now they have gun. And they are being given guns in places full of normal people who own guns (South, Midwest, etc.)

And just like Antifa bike-locking people, burning shit, beating people up, these fucks shooting "Nazis" will be played up as if they were in the right, for as long as possible. And any counter-protestor who brings a gun or is forced to use one will be demonized.

I foresee one of their protests going down badly. Very...very badly.

>>34714525

>lenin died in 1924, 9 years before hitler and the anti-soviets came to power. berlin was still a communist-sympathizing zone

Britain was the main threat I was referring to, they had explicitly made it their goal or "strangle Bolshevism in its crib", ie invade the USSR and topple its government.

>as for your disinformation on the gulag system, it was slave labor far beyond the US, and no records of executions were needed.

Ok well to say that no records are needed is pretty stupid, since without records you can't make any real statement about whether or not they were better or worse than anything happening in Western countries. Also, there are more Americans in prison today than there were people in gulags at the height of Stalinist repression.

http://www.businessinsider.com/how-many-americans-in-jail-2012-3?IR=T

Just to make something clear, while I think there is a lot of propaganda surrounding the gulags and USSR in general, and I want to see it dispelled, I don't endorse the Soviet model or gulags as a concept.

>>34714564

Which is probably the point.

>>34714564
>Antifa ... by leftist political groups and you know, the Dark Lord Soros himself
Can you get me some sources on Antifa being funded externally by people like Soros?

>>34714582
It is, without a doubt.

They know they can goad people like you or I into shooting these fuckers once they start blocking traffic while heavily armed, or outright shooting people because "Nazi."

>>34714581
if you want to dispel, start with the historical volumes written by Solzhenitsyn

>>34714449

Yet your strand of thought also rejected universalism as an evil oppressive 'Enlightenment Project' that needed to be deconstructed to magically liberate people and bring them to the point of revolt against capitalism to bring about total liberation.

>>34714592

Why would I bother with him? I'm not denying that gulags existed or that they were used for political repression. All I'm saying is that the majority of people who wound up there didn't die there, and weren't there for political reasons.

>>34714585

BAMN spawned from Chinese-funded Maoist organizations, too...

>>34714615

>Yet your strand of thought also rejected universalism as an evil oppressive 'Enlightenment Project' that needed to be deconstructed to magically liberate people and bring them to the point of revolt against capitalism to bring about total liberation.

No it didn't, because critical theory and postmodernism branched off of Marxism and became their own schools of thought which have unfortunately become dominant in leftist thought. Blaming old school leftists for that is like blaming Nietzsche for the Nazis.

>>34714585
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/17/lawmakers-probe-us-funding-for-soros-groups-left-wing-causes-in-europe.html

He's been doing it in Europe for decades.

http://truthfeed.com/soros-funded-group-gave-50k-to-radical-group-antifa-who-provoked-berkeley-riot/50542/

http://thewashingtonstandard.com/george-soros-funded-terrorist-group-antifa-plans-make-us-ungovernable/

More sources in both of those links.

And yeah, that's just the starting point. You can dig into this and find some scary shit.

>>34714585
>>34714564

Kek I've been organizing for left wing causes for over a year and I have yet to see any of these infamous sorosbux headed my way. We put up a banner one time and had to return the ladder to the store after because we were so broke.

>>34714627
because his sources are why the west knows about the gulag system, the enslavement of political prisoners, and the negligent homicide of many soviet citizens.
He is also why people know the soviet system was irredeemably corrupt before stalin came to power, and why western "intellectuals" moved away from the communist title in the 1970s
the only reasons you could have to believe the gulags weren't so bad is if you're misinformed, delusional or intentionally trying to save face as a communist-sympathizer.

>>34714650

Soros also funded anti-communist movements East of the Iron Curtain. He may be funding the libshits but he isn't a leftist.

>>34714665
Why would we believe you though?

By and large, lefty groups get way more attention AND outside funding than any other political movement, despite becoming less and less popular among everyone across the board, including fellow Libtards.

I mean come on? The fact that Cucked Commie-Necks are even gaining attention is proof of that. Issue is, it will be the same story.

>>34714665
TONIGHT, ON THINGS THAT NEVER HAPPENED

>>34714686
I never said he was. Right now he's helping Lefties because it will meet his ends more readily, for now.

>>34714669

I'm not saying they weren't so bad, I'm saying that the majority of people sent there left alive, and weren't there for political reasons. That doesn't mean they weren't a tool of political repression or that conditions weren't nightmarish. It's also the case that The Gulag Archipelago isn't universally accepted as fact.

>Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, winner of the 1970 Nobel Prize in Literature, who survived eight years of Gulag incarceration, gave the term its international repute with the publication of The Gulag Archipelago in 1973. The author likened the scattered camps to "a chain of islands" and as an eyewitness he described the Gulag as a system where people were worked to death.[4] Some scholars support this view,[5][6] though this claim is controversial, considering the fact that with the exception of the war years, a very large majority of the people who entered the Gulag system left it alive.[7]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag

>>34709828
Some guys went into fantastic autistic detail regarding some rifles from these photoshoots and determined they were airsoft. Anybody have the caps?

>>34714702

Are you serious? The entire Tea Party movement had the backing of the Wall Street establishment. Do you honestly think that movements whose goals are explicitly in line with those of the wealthy elite get less support than those who actively want to destroy that elite?

That's nonsensical on the face of it.

Southerners larping as communist revolutionaries

>>34714752

Kek, their reasons were retarded. One of them was literally "they don't make that kind of AK magazine in 5.45" as if all AKs are 5.45.

>>34714753
>Do you honestly think that movements whose goals are explicitly in line with those of the wealthy elite get less support than those who actively want to destroy that elite?
That is exactly what's happening, yes. The people who want to advance an agenda in line with Soros' goals are getting money while the people who want his head on a platter get none.

>>34714766
>Can't identify the caliber of an AK based on exterior features

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>>34714768

Except socialists want Soros head on a platter, I know I do. Explain to me how a wealthy capitalist would benefit from the abolition of capitalism.

>>34712994
Are they assumptions if their political leaders have all at some point confirmed it? If we've seen and heard it time and time again. The left is evolving and adapting to how they campaign and attack and we're still stuck with stagnant methods like buying and expensive lifetime nra memberships hoping they do something.

>>34714724
i believe your source on the contention is biased.
he relies solely on documented killings rather than reports and estimations given by investigation, but does not require teh same scrutiny with the holocaust - he (your source) argues to be the worse of the two attrocities.

from the eye witness accounted documented cited or recorded in solzhenitsyn's books, we know many of the executions were not ordered or carried out with a rifle, but rather due to exile into the wilderness or worked to death.

>>34713407
Oookay. Im gonna assume you just quoted the wrong person instead of you're a pedantic ass who makes no sense.

>>34714753
The elite stand to gain more control from Lefty movements.

The Tea Party was ONE Right Wing movement that was "high profile." And it was scoffed at by Republicans and Dems alike because of how fuck-tarded they were.

Antifa, pretty high profile *now* and is a multi-national group.

BAMN same story.

BLM. Niggers getting pissed off and chimping out is what some politicians build their career on, in terms of appeasing those people. BLM has almost single handedly ground law enforcement in some Blue states down, to points where officers are afraid to do their jobs.

So...dunno man, fuck me if the Tea Party did anything to that degree.

>>34714798

The thing you guys seem to be missing is that there is a major split in the left right now. It really made itself clear in the democratic primary between the libshit SJWs who hate guns and white people, and the new old left that goes back to the class based roots. These latter leftists are far more gun friendly and take a class based approach to issues, advocating for solidarity between white and black working class people.

I mean everybody has probably guessed I'm /leftypol/ by now but seriously, if you go there expecting SJW shit you will be surprised.

>>34714753
The USSR also had the backing of wall street. Also please, call them jews. Calling them "the wealthy elite" makes it seem like they don't have faces, adresses, families, or origins. Which every one of them do. It boggle me how socialists always call for the heads of the bourgeoise and shit instead of the heads of the rothschilds.
>>34714791
If people cannot trade a good for what they believe that good is worth, they become poorer. Being poorer means they'll take peanuts for pay for work that's much shittier than what they could have. Having a country of slaves desperate for work so they can get some food in their socialist shithole is great for capitalists. It's much cheaper, easier, and safer to bribe a few politicians for goods and labor than pay a foreign workforce what their labor may be worth in another less shit country.

>>34714791
Soros doesn't support anything that would lead to the collapse of capitalism, he supports movements that break down national, racial, and religious identity.

Antifa doesn't hurt capitalism, they hurt people who want to preserve their unique identity, culture, and history. If anything they promote capitalism and are probably hired by people who stand to profit by a bunch of windows being smashed, hmmm...

>>34714822

It's not just the Tea Party, the entire political establishment, including both parties, are backed by corporate interests, and this has been the case since the 19th century at least. Do you think that any money that comes from elites to Antifa is anything close to the shit they dump into Republican and Democratic Super PACs? The Dem's are right wing too btw, they have backed neoliberal policies and abandoned any pretext of being for the working class since Carter.

>>34714791
Simple.
He will sit like an effendi, and eat.

>>34714859
>It's not just the Tea Party, the entire political establishment, including both parties, are backed by corporate interests, and this has been the case since the 19th century at least.

Uh huh. I agree. But we aren't talking about the establishment here. Well, not it in and of itself. We are talking about groups who are springing up due to it. Most of which, are violent leftist groups as of late.

>Do you think that any money that comes from elites to Antifa is anything close to the shit they dump into Republican and Democratic Super PACs?

No. And yet again, this is irrelevant.


>The Dem's are right wing too btw, they have backed neoliberal policies and abandoned any pretext of being for the working class since Carter.

Yes. And the Leftist groups out there right now want to give them more power by pulling further into Socialism, if not Marxism.

If you think "But we want reform! We won't let Debbie Wasserman-Shultz, Clinton, or Huma Abadin be in charge!"

Those people, even the John McCains of the government have used the already numerous existing socialistic policies to further their own ends. Giving more power to the government just means that you will be giving more power to the next round of shitbags who make it into office, or whatever political office you want to have.

>>34714849

>USSR had the backing of Wall Street

Yeah, briefly, towards the end of the Civil War because Russia had huge reserves of natural resources that they wanted to trade for, which they needed a stable government to do. Given that the Bolsheviks had already practically won, backing the Whites was just beating a dead horse.

>muh Joos

Oh yeah that old chestnut. Tell me, was it all a Jewish plot when the Soviets sold weapons to the Arabs to wipe the Israelis off the map? What about when's Stalin systematically waged anti Semitic propaganda campaigns leading up to and immediately after WW2, culminating in the execution of numerous prominent Russian Jews?

>muh Rothschilds

All bankers and porkies will be put against the wall, regardless of ethnicity or religion.

I don't even know where to begin with the second half of your post but I'll take a shot at it. Socialism necessitates the expropriation of the means of production by the workers themselves. That means the factories, warehouses, farms, etc are seized by the people who operate them and then put to use for the benefit of everybody. The capitalists, ie the people who own the means of production, are either deposed, imprisoned, or executed when they inevitably resist. There are no capitalists under socialism, and the ex-capitalists are made equal members of society if they accept the new order. There are no slaves desperate for work because the people who would be workers are now the ruling class, directly operating the economy on their own behalf.

>>34714921

Socialism doesn't mean giving more power to the government as long as that government is under capitalist and political elite control. Socialism calls for the establishment of actual democracy free of the influence of big money before that can happen, and it's worth noting that many leftist ideologies don't call for government expansion at all, and some even call for the mass dismantling of the federal government.

Again, the main issue here seems to be confusing different strands of leftist thought. Even reform as a general concept is something many socialists vehemently oppose in favour of complete reconstruction of the political system from the ground up. It would be like encompassing literally anything right of the Y=0 mark on the political compass as "The Right" when there are major differences between AnCaps and Nazis.

>>34714952
>Socialism doesn't mean giving more power to the government as long as that government is under capitalist and political elite control.

Liar.

>Socialism calls for the establishment of actual democracy free of the influence of big money before that can happen, and it's worth noting that many leftist ideologies don't call for government expansion at all, and some even call for the mass dismantling of the federal government.

Pure democracy is shit. Pure democracy means that if you con 51% of the population into voting in favor of taking rights away from the 49% who voted against taking rights away, it would happen. Socialism is geared towards that. Mob rule. It does not take into account the values which a Republic style democracy holds. Which i what the U.S. has, but has been moving away from.

Total Socialism also cannot function unless the federal government has centralized control over almost every facet of the country.

Socialism also tends to implode on itself after a given period of time.

I'm talking about a very narrow type of Leftist here. Far left socialists and Marxists. Far left socialists want more government. Far left socialists make up the bulk of any Lefty movement in the U.S. And they are now becoming decidedly Marxist.


>Again, the main issue here seems to be confusing different strands of leftist thought.

We're talking about the far left. Always was. The far left is mostly socialists who want big government and "MUH FREE XYZ" and Marxists.

>Even reform as a general concept is something many socialists vehemently oppose in favour of complete reconstruction of the political system from the ground up.

Which is retarded. Socialistic policies are why the government is fucked. If we had a smaller fed and more state autonomy, we wouldn't be in this mess at all.

We may have other issues, but not like this.

>>34714449
>The majority of the history of the socialist movement would disagree with you
Except the socialist movement has changed with time, and while I understand that most still adhere to established doctrine the most vocal groups right now are undoubtedly SJWs. Like it or not, they are are the current face of Socialism to mainstream society. And I don't like what I'm seeing in that face.

>>34712804
Missourian detected

>>34706955
It's a miner's helmet, you dumb hick fuck

>>34706865
They are commies larping as rednecks

>>34714753
"The entire Tea Party movement had the backing of the Wall Street establishment."

The entire point of the Tea Party movement was to stop bailouts to Wall Street banks and other businesses, what are you smoking?

>>34714825
>I mean everybody has probably guessed I'm /leftypol/ by now but seriously, if you go there expecting SJW shit you will be surprised.
you niggers have a thread right now white-knighting for "muh gender identity".

>>34713882
>identitarian politics are the problem
>we need to get back to identitarian politics

All the different leftist varieties are essentially the same, how can I avoid taking responsibility for my choices.

I have a friend who recently got involved with them. She's a trans-trans, a woman stuck in a man's body stuck in a woman's body. She's trying really hard to win the victim olympics despite her privileged pedigree. I don't remember if she was posting much anti-gun stuff in the past, but she's all "Trump is basically killing us out in the streets daily so I'm gonna punch a nazi" now. I feel bad for her kid, he's gonna get fucked up by her if he doesn't grow up fucked up enough for her liking.

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>>34714825
>and the new old left that goes back to the class based roots.

go back faggot your ancestors have shitty genetics, serf.

>>34714648

But it is still Marxism. It directly came from Marxism. It just chooses a different route to destroy the ebil crapitalist system to bring about the kind of materialist utopia you so desire.

You cannot deflect it off. It's the same fruit of the same rotting left-wing tree. It was not the branch that produced Stalin and his ilk, but it was yet a branch.

>>34714816
>Oookay. Im gonna assume you just quoted the wrong person instead of you're a pedantic ass who makes no sense.
>These people can't support gun rights because they're leftist

>>34714686

>Not all Leftists are communists!
>But Soros is not a leftist!

Shut the fuck up. The left wing movement is as chock-full of money as anything else. Where else does all the Ford Foundation money go to?

>>34714724

>Muh Gulags of piece.

>>34714791

You're assuming it can be abolished. And that you fucktards are actually doing it, instead of being a useless, hollow counter-culture that will do nothing and change nothing.

Also, the 'Revolutionaries' tend to be of Middle Class origin anyways, or disaffected members of the same upper class they supposedly fight to destroy.

>>34714105
>Rural areas tend conservative because we don't have the tax base to support a lot of gibs, hell, most of our fire departments are volunteer. Self sufficiency is a very real survival trait.

When I worked for the State Police, I was posted to a rural detachment. I lived in a town of 1200 people. My landlord was an Army vet who drafted me almost immediately in to the volunteer fire department. My neighbors came and introduced themselves. We had block BBQs every other month. Almost every month there was some festival or event or something in the park. There was a gay couple down the street who smoked meats in their backyard who'd always cater shit, and even the religious folks wouldn't give a fuck about where they put their dicks. Shit, even people in town I'd arrested more than once greeted me with a "Mornin', Trooper", and the town druggies would legit only do shit in their homes.

I took a promotion and moved back to a small city of about 45k. My neighbors never came out of their houses. I'd be working in my yard and greet people walking by and they'd look at me like I was crazy. Used needles everywhere. Pan handlers at almost every corner and outside a lot of stores. Ghetto trash fucking everywhere combined with YOURE A WHITE MALE she shit.

Once the kid is done with college next year I'm taking a voluntary demotion to move back to the country. I can say 100% unequivocally, fuck the cities, fuck urban people.

>>34712636
>They follow a political ideology that's responsible for 150,000,000 deaths.
That high? No.

>>34714669

solzhenitsyn certainly reports a lot of stuff which was the rumors that he heard but which he didn't experience or witness personally, and also his estimation of the numbers have barely any ground, they are mostly concocted because he simply didn't have any access to the archives and any reliable sources whatsoever

obviously he also reports his personal experience too

so, gulag was very bad but probably/possibly not that bad as he described it (the survival rate seems to be pretty high and the scale of it that he reported seems questionable too), so you better check the modern works which use the archive data. btw some former gulag inmates were acquitted and received compensations as early as 50-60ss, not like they were particularly happy about it, iirc this jew https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Galich_(writer) even wrote in the early 60ss a still known song about a former inmate who drinks on the compensation money remembering gulag

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>>34707005
Some anon from some Commie rathole once came across some of their leaflets/ propaganda on a bulletin and posted it. The first paragraph discussed the Battle of Blair Mountain and the coal field wars. I said "hey, cool, that's a rather unknown part of our history that's special to me because my great grandfather fought the gummint up there".
Then it basically devolved into:
>White working class men have all of the warfighting, survival, and agricultural knowledge in this country.
>But they are being manipulated by le 1% into oppressing niggers.
>Niggers want this knowledge
>Come teach us trust fund kids and niggers how to fight and be outside because you owe us by reason of white guilt
>We swear you totally won't be v& in the first Stalinist purge after you help us get our way, ok?

I think I'll stick with white- separatist libertarianism, thank you very much.

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>>34715030

>Liar

Why is everybody on this board so keen to tell me what my beliefs are? If I had my way I would see the federal government almost completely dismantled in favour of local direct democracy, not to mention a gun in every home.

>Pure democracy is shit. Pure democracy means that if you con 51% of the population into voting in favor of taking rights away from the 49% who voted against taking rights away, it would happen.

I'm not suggesting pure democracy, just that it be expanded to the economy. I would still support individual rights to counter tyranny of the majority within the context of a socialized economy.

>Which is retarded. Socialistic policies are why the government is fucked. If we had a smaller fed and more state autonomy, we wouldn't be in this mess at all.

Socialism isn't just when the government does things. The US isn't socialistic in the slightest, the economy and government are firmly in control of the business and political elite, not the working class.

>Total Socialism also cannot function unless the federal government has centralized control over almost every facet of the country.

Why? All socialism requires is two things, first, that the means of production and state be controlled by the working class. Second, that production be carried out with the goal of meeting the needs of the population rather than making profits. Where does massive government control factor into that? Market socialism, council socialism, communalism, and syndicalism all severely limit the power of the central government.

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>>34716284

So you'd rather work against other black working class people who have the same enemies as you? You are both getting screwed by the same people.

Both black and white radical groups used to work together for mutual benefit, like the alliance between the Young Patriots and Black Panthers.

>>34715031

>Except the socialist movement has changed with time, and while I understand that most still adhere to established doctrine the most vocal groups right now are undoubtedly SJWs. Like it or not, they are are the current face of Socialism to mainstream society. And I don't like what I'm seeing in that face.

I don't like it either, in fact I think it's utter cancer and if I could see every Hillbot snuffed out I would be ecstatic.

>>34715351

Yeah and everybody in that thread is saying that everybody should leave each other the fuck alone and let people do what they want. Sounds pretty libertarian to me.

>>34715732

I'm not supporting identirarianism. I want to see it swept away. Oppression Olympics, muh fucking white males, etc is all cancer and needs to be eliminated. What we need is to return to the old left concepts that have their roots in the enlightenment, and are based on ideas of universality, individualism, and freedom.

>>34717032

>Workers should own the establishments that they are employed at
>Seizing private businesses from their proprietors because..... fuck you I say its theirs even though employment is simply an entirely optional trade deal where workers exchange time and effort for currency which they may back out of at any moment to find a better deal elsewhere.

No

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Ugh, this thread is like a high school political science class.

So many fucking children.

>>34715732
>She's a trans-trans, a woman stuck in a man's body stuck in a woman's body.

Fucking what

>>34716284
>Actual brownshirts

>>34717133

Employment isn't entirely optional, you have to work if you want to survive. Because labour is necessary, a free society will create labour relations that provide every individual with maximum economic agency. The system that does that best is economic democracy, since it provides everybody with a basic level of decision making power.

A corporation is an economic dictatorship, and its one that people are forced to participate in because they have to work to survive. If we turn this dictatorship into a democracy then we maximize the freedom for as many involved people as possible.

>>34717054
>White separatist
>Working against blacks
If I wanted to do that then I'd be a white supremacist. Establishment of a small homogeneic agrarian republic is the goal; the US federal bureacracy, all large companies, and social parasites stand in direct opposition to that goal. Do not conflate our goals, leech.

>>34717312

But why separate from blacks when you would both be stronger if you cooperate? Pitting races against one another is the oldest trick in the book, classic divide and conquer. In a country like the US, you will never succeed if you aren't willing to cooperate with your natural allies.

>>34717255

I'm sorry I don't quite recall ever hearing about a McDonald's worker getting kneecapped out back for wanting to leave their job. Sure, labor is necessary but people are free to pick their place of employment and withholding your productivity or reallocating it to another organization is a way of "voting", kind of like being a discerning customer and avoiding shit products in favor of the better buy, thereby choking out companies that won't negotiate with consumers/workers. Similarly, companies can also choose not to hire you for whatever reason they want and can pick someone less bitchy about "the man". Your system sucks and tramples all over the rights of those who own property.

>>34717329
So do you not understand the concept of homogeneity?

>>34717362

What I'm trying to understand is why you're so insistent on it.

>>34717376
Incompatible values. Added complications. Inhibits high trust society. If they want to separate and form their own society with the African values they still strongly retain being central to it, I am in no way opposed.
That and I am a dirty, evil racist that hates everything that's different.
That and it is my sincerest conviction that the African man is inherently Marxist and in time will inevitably push things as far to the left whenever given the power to.

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>>34717350

>I'm sorry I don't quite recall ever hearing about a McDonald's worker getting kneecapped out back for wanting to leave their job.

No, but they have to work or starve, from their perspective it's not different than a gun to the head.

Sure, labor is necessary but people are free to pick their place of employment and withholding your productivity or reallocating it to another organization is a way of "voting", kind of like being a discerning customer and avoiding shit products in favor of the better buy, thereby choking out companies that won't negotiate with consumers/workers.

If that's the case then why do sweatshops exist? Why did people in America used to work 14 hour days for 50 cents an hour? It wasn't the free market that fixed these problems, it was bloody class struggle led by trade unions. Every employer will always try to provide the worst possible deal for their workers, this, combined with unemployment (which is intentionally maintained to ensure a constant supply of easily exploitable people) means that without sufficient organization through unions and/or state protection, workers will always be subjected to sweatshop like conditions. Even when they are working under decent conditions for decent pay, surely you would agree that democracy is superior to dictatorship? Would you rather have that power placed directly in your hands as a worker or have to fight tooth and nail just for basic humane treatment.

>Your system sucks and tramples all over the rights of those who own property.

Those who own property trample all over the freedoms of those who don't. Capitalism as a system requires that the vast majority of people be economically and thus politically disenfranchised. I'm just following John Stuart Mill's Liberty Principle to its logical conclusion. The actions of the capitalists are directly responsible for the unfreedom of the workers by imposing economic dictatorship and co-opting the state.

>>34717130
>Sounds pretty libertarian to me.
that's funny because "gender is a social construct/spook" with the obligatory sob story from a tranny sounds like something your typical sjw would say.

>>34717456
>>34717350

If you are going to complain about the rights of capitalists being violated by socialism, you might as well complain about how democracy violates the rights of dictators.

>>34717468
Lolbertarians love trannies, more things to fuck while high on dudeweed. Constitutional/ backwoods libertarians, not a chance.

>>34717468

SJWs aren't gender abolitionists, they are identitarians. They want each of the 76 or whatever number of gender identities do become increasingly distinct and divided from one another and get special treatment. The abolitionist perspective is basically "do whatever you want regardless of what parts you have and we all leave each other alone."

>>34713755
I doubt they even have any substantial experience or training. Maybe BLS.

>>34713426
>Those rights and privileges won by the unions of the 20s and 30s were won with blood sweat and tears. They are like any other rights, if you aren't vigilant, if you don't constantly defend them, they will be taken away from you. Porkies have a vested interest in dismantling the privileges that have been so hard won, and they are literally constantly working to cut wages and benefits, worsen conditions, and destroy the bargaining power of workers. If we let them then they'll have us working 14 hours a day 6 days a week for 50 cents an hour, in unsanitary and unsafe conditions, policed by corporate thugs ready to bust our heads of we dare stand up to them, just like they did to our great grandparents.
This is what pinkos actually believe. Wages rose faster in non-unionized America than in heavily unionized Europe in the latter half of the 19th century and first half of the 20th century. At peak, labor union member only accounted for a third of the labor force. Unions are labor cartels designed to convey legal privilege and protectionism on certain groups. Nothing more, nothing less.

>>34712948
There communist facists, and there are no right wing facists in power in the US.

>>34717329
I have no desire to interact with Blacks or their shitty "culture".

>>34713271
You should off yourself so there are no communists even in your local vicinity, you worthless piece of garbage.

>>34713755
>>34717540
It's this gay thing called "street medics". Basically lefties pretending to be some sort of team doctor who washes OC out of eyes and distributes insulin to the landwhales. I was once a part of an environmentalist group where they had like 12 of these self important "street medic" cunts and no one to do any actual protesting. My buddy and I left and formed a right wing environmental group shortly thereafter, but leftist counterculture is essentially a rotten dumpster fire through and through.

>>34717329
>Pitting races against one another is the oldest trick in the book, classic divide and conquer.
you realize the people you're replying to never leave the house right?

>>34717508
>SJWs aren't gender abolitionists, they are identitarians.
gender isn't binary, tool of the patriarchy... its the same special snowflake shit.

>>34706865
They are the true rednecks.

Rules:
guns are good
racism is not

if you don't like that then fuck off

its fucking tiresome dealing with all these dickheads at the range or the gun store that think that since you like guns you must also be a republican. They aren't dems, they aren't repubs, they are just people. Take a break from being a keyboard warrior and just let them be free Americans.

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>>34706865

>>34717456

>If that's the case then why do sweatshops exist? Why did people in America used to work 14 hour days for 50 cents an hour? It wasn't the free market that fixed these problems, it was bloody class struggle led by trade unions. Every employer will always try to provide the worst possible deal for their workers, this, combined with unemployment (which is intentionally maintained to ensure a constant supply of easily exploitable people) means that without sufficient organization through unions and/or state protection, workers will always be subjected to sweatshop like conditions. Even when they are working under decent conditions for decent pay, surely you would agree that democracy is superior to dictatorship? Would you rather have that power placed directly in your hands as a worker or have to fight tooth and nail just for basic humane treatment.

Oh please, you're entirely discounting people's capacity to make individual decisions. If someone so chooses to work in a sweatshop for comparatively low pay in shitty conditions then that's their choice to do so. By doing so they can compete with unionized workers and undercut their demands, effectively raising their chances of employment. They can leave and work at a sweatshop that pays them more or even start their own with an investment or a loan and thereby become a business owner themselves. They could even resort to unions and bargain/reason with business owners. I don't buy this whole "oh woe is me for being working class give me shit" approach, the bargaining position of a worker is much better than you give them credit for. There's always a better employer and always a better employee.

>Those who own property trample all over the freedoms of those who don't.

By what logic? Because you don't personally have it? Because you were too inept to obtain it for yourself through business? There is way more class and economic mobility than you say and playing the victim for your own incompetence is disgusting

>>34717614
>>34717609
>Calls others keyboard warriors
>Appears to have some sort of JIDF garrisoned on /k/ trying to 'raise class consciousness" or a or a social media QRF that shows up whenever someone says negative things about them
Boy, you sure convinced me with your spaces between sections of text, r/changemyview

>>34717545

>This is what pinkos actually believe. Wages rose faster in non-unionized America than in heavily unionized Europe in the latter half of the 19th century and first half of the 20th century

You mean the same time period where labour union membership began to climb rapidly? It skyrocketed around the same time wages did leading up to and just after WW2. Now it's at an all time low, and we've had stagnant or falling wages since the 70s.

>>34717614
Lol kill yourself. Guns are inherently masculine, and appeal to people on the right. Most of my shitlib family want them banned entirely.

Most guys I talk to under 35 at my range are pretty much alt-right, or at least hoppean libertarian.

>>34713745
>Socialism actually grows directly out of classical liberalism,
No, they developed simultaneously. Try and convince me Bastiat, Cobden, or Molinari were direct progenitors of socialist thought.
>Mill, Smith, Rousseau, and Locke
All of these philosophers range from absolute shit tier to mediocre and were either superseded or vastly improved upon by later thinkers who fixed their numerous errors.
>bullshit about Labor theory of value
The 1870s called, they told me you missed the whole "marginal revolution" thing.
>intermingle's Locke and Smith's observations on economics with their moral philosophies.
Go fuck yourself.
> Rousseau argued that private property creates artificial scarcity, thus making the poor dependent on the rich for survival and thus private property is the basis of hierarchical society and tyranny. Milk argues that the limits of freedom lie at the point in which the freedoms of others are taken away, and that any action or inaction that causes the unfreedom of another human being is by nature tyrannical. This can be applied to the unfreedom experienced under economic dictatorship such as in a corporation, or to the unfreedom caused by poverty.
Rousseau is one of the aforementioned shit tier philosophers and Mill was a miserable, lonely, weirdo who used his philosophy as a means of justifying his feelings for a married woman and making up all sorts of excuses as to why he should be able to sleep with her. In short, he ruined liberalism.

Not sure how >>34717609 got linked in >>34717663, probably the dried semen encasing the keyboard

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>>34717614
Just because they wear flannel does not make them rednecks. Have you seen any of their videos?

>>34714449
>The majority of the history of the socialist movement would disagree with you. This SJW shit is a recent development, it really only came into being along with intersectionality (which is a fundamentally anti-Marxist concept) and third wave feminism, which only appeared in the latter half of the 20th century.
You apparently missed all the stuff about abolishing the family, free love, anti imperialism , etc. that the Bolshies were talking about and trying to implement 100 years ago.

>>34717675
>being this dense

>>34717663
cool i can't be dissenting

if i dissent then i'm clearly part of some block of users who someone give a shit what some larpers say on a peruvian throat singing forum

some people on the actual left like guns. they don't like pussy sjw democrats or ignorant republicans. Is this so hard for you to grasp? There are people who don't believe what you or your shitlib family believe. There are more than two points of view.

JFC i'm done with you people. If i like guns then clearly i have to be on fucking stormfront according to your narrative.

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>>34717614
>They are the true rednecks.
>goobers buying flannels and guns makes them rednecks
>because they said so
JBGC please git and stay git. It is a masquerade put on by urban neo-marxists and anarchists as an armed wing of their cause. It is an attempt to relate to people they have little in common with and never will. How do I know this? I grew up and live with actual rednecks, guys that go out and cut tobacco on the small slice of land they have and enjoy what little time they have off with their families or in the woods.

Until you faggots can make a decent batch of shine and keep whatever political cause you have quiet you have no ground to stand on. You can say they're rednecks all you want, that doesn't mean you are one.

>>34717653

>Oh please, you're entirely discounting people's capacity to make individual decisions. If someone so chooses to work in a sweatshop for comparatively low pay in shitty conditions then that's their choice to do so.

The only reason people """choose""" to work in sweatshops is because there is no other work available.

>They can leave and work at a sweatshop that pays them more or even start their own with an investment or a loan and thereby become a business owner themselves.

A business owner that is statistically almost guaranteed to fail in a few years. 80% of businesses don't make it past the 10 year mark.

>I don't buy this whole "oh woe is me for being working class give me shit" approach, the bargaining position of a worker is much better than you give them credit for.

It's actually great if they organize and act in solidarity with one another, but that requires unions, which in third world countries and until recently in America were met with violence and state repression. It wasn't until the 30s that the government began cracking down on corporate and even state thuggery and violence.

>By what logic?

Mainly through the establishment of economic dictatorship that forces people to depend on the capitalist for their livelihood, and the corruption of the state to their interests. We both know that Wall Street runs the government and the average person has little to no political power. In terms of wealth inequality, I think there are important elements there as well. If a person is poverty stricken then they don't have freedom, the amount of choices they can make and carry out is limited. In a world where we have the capacity to provide everybody, at least in the first world, with what they need to survive, have opportunities, and be independent, then a system that fails to do that fails to maximize the freedom of its people. If I am withholding to resources you need to achieve that freedom, then I am withholding that freedom from you.

>>34706959
So exactly as dangerous/faggy as your local furry convention. Goddamnit

>>34717741
Now back 2 Reddit with you. And tell all of your friends how disgusting your visit was and how they should never come here. Tell them we're a bunch of retarded hentai fapping, Nazi, pederast NEETs. Tell them this is the asshole of the internet.

>>34717772
i'm from south west georgia and i've only seen JBGC in reference to Redneck Revolt which is the group i have actually heard of. I'm mainly mad because i am a literal fucking redneck with pecan trees and cotton and peanuts and the whole 9 yards. I could show you how to castrate a fucking boar hog you fascist cunt.

don't assume shit about me because i'm clearly angry on the internet and that's an unreasonable person to try to convince.

>>34717671
>You mean the same time period where labour union membership began to climb rapidly?
You mean the same time period where there was massive economic growth in the US?
>It skyrocketed around the same time wages did leading up to and just after WW2.
Price controlled wages=/=real wages.
>Now it's at an all time low, and we've had stagnant or falling wages since the 70s.
this is due to multiple factors, including outsourcing, little to no increase in productivity in certain sectors (food service), and constant fuckery with the money supply.

>>34717835

The US has been experiencing major economic growth more or less constantly since the depression, and yet it hasn't always benefited the average worker. Most people were recieving subsistence wages until well into the 20th century, to say nothing of hours and conditions.

>>34717614
I'm not being a keyboard warrior you commie faggot.

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>>34706974
Literally /k/

>>34717816
>Tell them we're a bunch of retarded hentai fapping, Nazi, pederast NEETs. Tell them this is the asshole of the internet.
But... uh... all that shit is true, and then some. Can't you make up something worse?

>>34717860
Life isn't fair.

>>34717832
A dude in a rubber pig suit isn't a real hog you demented Albany faggot.

>>34717910
I'm not a liar. I dunno, /b/ lives here?

>>34713080
They're reds. Trying to make them sound noble and good ousts you as a morally bankrupt person.

>>34717910

>life isn't fair

That's not an argument, libertarians in the US love to wrap themselves in the imagery of the revolutionary war and muh freedom isn't free. If you believe in personal freedom then your goal ought to be to work to maximize the freedom of every individual in society. When you make that your goal then you find pretty quickly that capitalism, as an inherently hierarchical and oligarchic system, is an impediment to that.

>>34713382
Statist all the same.

>>34717860
>The US has been experiencing major economic growth more or less constantly since the depression, and yet it hasn't always benefited the average worker.
We have had several periods of recession and some near depressions since the end of WW2 and constant fuckery with the monetary system a lot of that "growth" was central banking voodoo. As far as benefitting the "average worker"'s standard of living was in 1930 and what it is today. Even with a fucky monetary system and constant government intervention in the economy the US is the economic powerhouse of the world and anyone who complains about not reaping the benefits should pay a visit to sub saharan africa.
>Most people were recieving subsistence wages until well into the 20th century,
This reeks of bullshit.
>to say nothing of hours and conditions.
Conditions have improving steadily since the end of WW2, starting BEFORE major workplace safety regs like OSHA. Hours is another story as once again it's affected by monetary fuckery.

>>34717832
>Redneck Revolt
The same group of empty minded shitheads that LARP as rednecks to appeal to a broader audience, and are failing miserably at it. Look at their website and videos, the ones with the comments disabled. Do you think any of them are actual rednecks, or just people that conveniently attach themselves to a label for a political cause? Again, saying they are rednecks doens't mean they are. It's fucking pathetic that a political group spends an absurd amount of money with a clean web design for "Look! we like guns. We're just like you. Unite!" bullshit.

>I could show you how to castrate a fucking boar
Cool, want to go cut tobacco and shoe a horse? Because those are things I can do. We can have that dick measuring contest all day long if you want.

>don't assume shit about me
Then don't assume I'm a fascist you nitwit. Last time I checked, criticism isn't fascism. Or is it? Everything the left doesn't like is always labeled fascism, which gives the actual fascists agency because nobody gives a shit if they are called a fascist regardless of their beliefs. Guess I am a fascist after all.

>>34717995
>If you believe in personal freedom then your goal ought to be to work to maximize the freedom of every individual in society.
this is retarded Mill logic.
>as an inherently hierarchical and oligarchic system
There is nothing bad about either of these things in certain contexts. How is "hierarchy" bad?

>>34717995
Actually if you want freedom, capitalism goes hand and hand. Not really freedom when you use state force to say I can't have property, or trade.

>>34717209
Aka: a normal cis-gendered woman who sees all those tumblrgendered snowflakes and wants to be special too.

>>34706955
Helmet light's better for the sake of retention. Obviously, you should always have two, but I've bit the bait by responding on the only computer I don't have you filtered on.

Kill yourself.

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>>34706986
>it

>>34706865
Don't they solely own guns to protect POC?

>>34718019
wtf i like you now, i'm not JIDF because I think one way and you aren't fascist because you think one way.

You are alright, i was just pissed off.

>>34706865
>All this proto-Commie shit hailing JBCG
Have you guys seen their "range videos"?
https://youtu.be/CywFbSdMVx0
They're a bunch of chucklefucks who think that shooting drawn images of Pepe is "threatening". The idea that these morons could actually fight against the Feds is laughable, they probable couldn't even beat the fudd militias. None of these people even look/act like Rednecks, this is laughable.
>>34717995
>maximize the freedom of everyone else
That's their responsibility you collectivist bastard. Why should I sacrifice my private property and social mobility in order to benefit these people who I give zero fucks about?

>>34717995
Keep your greedy fucking hands out of my pockets or I will kill you.

Nothing follows.

>>34718019
i guess i identify as left wing and i'm definitely a south georgia redneck and i got a little heated and i want to apologize to you. i'm sorry for calling you a name.

>>34718013

>Even with a fucky monetary system and constant government intervention in the economy the US is the economic powerhouse of the world and anyone who complains about not reaping the benefits should pay a visit to sub saharan africa.

A good chunk of the US it literally developing country tier.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-developing-nation-regressing-economy-poverty-donald-trump-mit-economist-peter-temin-a7694726.html

>This reeks of bullshit.

Checked back on the article and misread it actually so you're right about that. Still, it wasn't uncommon to work six days a week, 12 hours a day, and come home with less than 20 dollars at the end of he week. That equals out to only about $6/h in today's money. How well do you think people lived on such a wage?

>Conditions have improving steadily since the end of WW2, starting BEFORE major workplace safety regs like OSHA. Hours is another story as once again it's affected by monetary fuckery.

But not before the major push for unionization in the late 19th century.

>>34706865
Reminder that they hand over their guns to their agreed quartermaster after training and "demonstration." They have completely dropped any pretension of being for universal civilian armament.

>>34709475
The Black girl with bleached hair is going to be my wife as soon as I thin her down then thicc her up with exercise and clean bulking.

>>34718122
>i guess i identify as left wing and i'm definitely a south georgia redneck and i got a little heated and i want to apologize to you. i'm sorry for calling you a name.
It's 4chan, let go of the butthurt.

Every racial group votes in their own interests

Every single one

Do not act like there can ever be some kind of libertarian harmony among the races

>>34718160
correlation does not imply causation.
technological advances that made it possible to produce more goods cheaper (heavy machinery and automated machinery) made the use of simple-minded labor uneconomical
it would have happened either way, and there is no evidence to suggest it happened BECAUSE of labor unions, and plenty to say they weren't relevant

>>34714791

You do understand that socialism (communism) in your brand as I assume - is internationalism aka Globalistic. Which is what Soros is. He is a globalist. Hes a non state entity and a king with many castles.

How fucking blind do you commies have to be not to see the 6 gorrillion gorrila in the room

>>34717606
>My buddy and I left and formed a right wing environmental group
Elaborate

>>34718377

This. We were never meant to live together.

>>34718485
Long story short, the plan was to live in a series of caves and move between a series of caches while disabling as much equipment as we could evading private security and law enforcement. We grew up like a band of Indians in those mountains so I think our chances were okay. We'd rather do that than observe some faggoty oppression stack and hang out with men who insist they are female. In the end the legislation came through for us and we didn't have to move to plan B. Surely most people here think that environmental protection and conservative ideology are incongruous. They may be right, but it is my firm belief that wilderness is Holy, and that it is needed as a staging ground to overthrow the heathen governments.

>>34714422
He gassed workers who rebelled, fuck him and every red.

>>34718631
Shit dude, good on you.

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>>34718703
Man, I don't know. Everybody thinks they'll be a fearless hero when the time comes. I have zero doubt my buddy would have done everything in his power to stop those wells. He was always our leader growing up, he radicalized me, I saw him as a mentor and a brother. I have never put myself into a situation so dire, I don't know if I would have been brave enough to follow through in the face of such steep consequences. I'd like to think that confidence of youth, loyalty to each other, and a passion to save our home would have compelled me to action. I will never know now.

>>34717540
>implying BLS is easy and retards can learn it

none of it is relevant without experience either

t.. emt-iv

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All of this written bullshit and I'm just over here wanting to fuck Butterbean. Dat ass.

>>34717456
>No, but they have to work or starve, from their perspective it's not different than a gun to the head.
oooh I hate commies so fucking much
Yes dumbass it's called LIFE.
You acquire resources to fuel your continued existence or you die, and literally every life form on this planet abides by this concept WITHOUT EXCEPTION, and no amount of communist whizbangery will change that.

You are a fucking thief and no you cannot have my fucking property, I will KILL you if you try and take my lawnmower so that it can be owned in common, you fucking prick, and if I want to pay someone a fucking wage to mow my fucking lawn with my fucking lawnmower that is MY FUCKING BUSINESS, and if that guy I just paid wants to use my lawnmower to mow my neighbors lawn too I have the fucking right to demand compensation for the use of MY FUCKING LAWNMOWER, and I don't care if that makes me a fucking bourgeoisie piggie

Die..

>>34706865
Commies and antifa pretending they're working class.

>>34707649
>41 members
>35 undercover police officers from different precincts and counties unaware of each other
>1 NSA indefcover agent
>2 CIA undercover agents
>1 FBI under cover agent
>1 former KGB guy waiting to kill everyone for one bad "in soviet Russia" joke
>1 /k/ommando about to sperg so hard the whole thing fails apart

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>>34706865
my area seems to have a pretty /k/uck'd one
Communists aren't people

>>34712716
>The reason that most people don't consider these commies to be terrorists is because most people are brainwashed from a young age to believe that the left cannot be extreme.

Many people think other wise now adays.

>>34712768
>>Nobody NEEDS a high capacity assault clip fully semi automatic machine gun!
>>except when we do to #RESIST #DRUMPF fuck white people
>this is literally the entirety of their thought process. I'm confident they would immediately turn all of their guns into modern art after SHE gets HER TURN.

This....A million time.

>>34713745
>I legitimately don't understand how people can believe that communists or anarchists, of all groups, are somehow in the service of global elite forces. Communists would gulag the Jewish bankers if given the chance.

Useful idiots, they do not have to know/understand/accpet what they are doing, so long as they do.

They are just shock troops for the bankers and their under class of mangers (PM, goverments, etc).

>>34713882
>I'll admit that the identity politics is far to prevalent in the modern left

It IS the modern left.

>>34713882
>All working class people, regardless of race, should be treated as equals, and race itself should cease to exist as a concept. Black identitarian groups are just as cancerous as white nationalists and if I had my way I'd put them against the wall. The rejection of free speech is also shameful imo, since many leftists like Eugene Debbs fought hard for those rights and went to prison for them.

...Ah, they are not equal, some are smarter, some are harder working, More over race exist and its impacts are massive, deal with you moron.

>>34713969
>Redneck Revolt is part of that current, since they explicitly try to appeal to white working class people instead of alienating them by telling them how evil and privileged they are.

Their message of "open the borders, end the nation state, give away your wealth, you are no better then the failures of the world" will never appeal to whites.

>>34713987
>or embrace any kind of identity politics like white nationalism.
why not?

>>34714032
>>leftists demand protection of gun rights
No, it had everything to do with them blow shit up, shooting at police officers, bombing the Petagon,etc

>>34717054
>So you'd rather work against other black working class people who have the same enemies as you? You are both getting screwed by the same people.

And those very same blacks view US as the enemy as well, same with the imported hordes. More over why do we NEED them again? We have automation to deal with labor issues, what do they bring to the table? I will wait.

>>34717329
>But why separate from blacks when you would both be stronger if you cooperate? Pitting races against one another is the oldest trick in the book, classic divide and conquer. In a country like the US, you will never succeed if you aren't willing to cooperate with your natural allies.

....Their is NO poorf we will be stronger if we work with Low IQ people, Not a damn shred.

If blacks are our natural allies why do they vote for marxists by like 80%

>>34706865
those cucks cant BBQ tofu

>>34709988
>Urban areas voting blue
Jeez Phillip, don't bestow this forbidden knowledge all at once, you'll make my gourd explode!

>>34709988
>Clinton voters live where most of the people in this country live.

Thanks trip, truly you are my greatest ally

>>34718390
>made the use of simple-minded labor uneconomical
Call them Niggers, just call them niggers

>>34714756
Southerner here. If people are doing this antifa/redneck commie bullshit we don't tolerate it. We just point and laugh and make sure they are ashamed of themselves. As they should be.

>>34718498
>This. We were never meant to live together.
History proves this. Why anyone denies it and is not laughed out of western civilization is proof that the cultural Marxists have to be removed.

>>34721735
Because Marxism is the final form of the African. Which is why we will never get along

>>34706865
I think their logo is one of the most out of touch things I've seen in a while.

>>34717456
That little cute picture isnt how it works. Someone with capital can buy a mine. Invest in materials and through an increased production get more gold than your dumb ass with a pic could manage. God damn people

>>34713882
First post; having left a socialist country to come to the United States, I'll gun you and your companions down in the streets before I let you bunch of fools dictate my life. Fuck you and fuck your beliefs.

Prison here is better than normal life in many other countries. I'd gladly sit in jail to wipe you and your kind out.

>>34713323
I was in the BLET for a while. It's a trainmen/teamster union.

All your points are valid, the union seemed to mostly exist to shelter the lazy or negligent members and funnel money to well connected members via frivolous time claims. I wasn't impressed.

That being said it's not a public union so now that I'm no longer involved with it I don't give a fuck about it any more. The inefficiencies it produces are between the union and the company... and that company's competition.

>>34721994
>Because Marxism is the final form of the African.
Show your work? How did you come to that thought?

>>34722002
>I think their logo is one of the most out of touch things I've seen in a while.
They are leftists, they are out of touch with reality.

>>34722097
Amen, you round them up, I will fly the helicopter.

I can't wait to form a non-right-wing group with guns and with non-whites just to piss your college- and high-school-age edgetards off when pics show up

>>34722392
Too bad you're just a basement dwelling edgelord yourself and those colored savages are far too scary for you to leave the basement and actually meet.

>>34712940
They wern't communists you faggot, they were protesting truly HORRIBLE conditions in the mines and being paid basicly nothing.

>>34721686
The point is that everyone should be treated equally under the law, numbnuts.

>>34706865
John Brown was a terrorist

>>34706865
gun grabbers larping as gun owners.

>>34709828
the funny thing is almost everyone at that event was carrying airshit

>>34713012
>>34713382
>Anarchists aren't Marxists

While this is true, Antifa and leftists with similar beliefs are too stupid to know this. These people are Marxists but are too stupid to open a dictionary so they call themselves anarchists. In reality they just want to smash trash cans and have the government make all of their decisions for them.

>>34722514
Unfortunately a growing number of 'minorities' don't agree with that. They see the law as a club to beat your fucking brains in with.

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>>34706865
REEEEE FUCK THOSE LARPING COMMIES! JOIN ANTICOM!

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>>34725624
Hey Anticom bro

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>>34725746
My niggas. We are everywhere.

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>>34725844
FUCK COMMIES FUCK ANTIFA FUCK REDNECK REVOLT

>>34725624
cool LARP bro

>>34722348
Show me a western country where blacks aren't attempting to push things as far to the left as they can.

>>34721348
Join them. Look the part, blend in, make friends.
After a little while ask them to define their principles. Don't accept idealism for an answer. Then question their motives and reasoning and play devils advocate, see what they think when you apply their principles with different beliefs. Break down their assertions to the most basic concepts. If they try to silence you, call them out because your trying to understand. And if they threaten you with violence or their guns, say "so you resort to murder when you can't prove your ideals. That seems to happen every time communism is tried." Try to frame it as individual rights vs authority coercion.

>>34713745
>I legitimately don't understand how people can believe that communists or anarchists, of all groups, are somehow in the service of global elite forces. Communists would gulag the Jewish bankers if given the chance.
because the ((((communist party))) gulag the revolutionaries after the revolution. look up the racial makeup of the communist party in USSR

>>34722437
Amen

>>34722514
>The point is that everyone should be treated equally under the law, numbnuts.

Nope, the growing hordes of non whites want reverse discrimination against whites because "muh equality"{

>>34726657
>Show me a western country where blacks aren't attempting to push things as far to the left as they can.
Simple and sweet and very, very true.