How do Vatniks feel

>>34703206
>Must be kind of a mindfuck.
they are copying your tech too ameriburger

34703206
Its will be used in the future war against USA, so I'm totally ok with this

You made the same thread on /int/, gaylord.

>>34703250
Admitting you browse /int/

Holy fuck get a load of this faggot

>>34703250
>>34703305
#REKT

>>34703305
How will I ever recover

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>>34703234
this

i am ok as long as it's supposed to kill burgers

man, do i hate burgers

>>34703206
btw the chink carrier is literally a soviet carrier which ukraine sold to chinks for very cheap (cheaper than a single f-15 costs,) because chinks said they wanted to make an amusement park of it. sadly i am not kidding

>The ship was laid down as Riga at Shipyard 444 (now Mykolaiv South) in Mykolaiv, Ukrainian SSR, on 6 December 1985.[10][11] Design work was undertaken by the Nevskoye Planning and Design Bureau.[12] Launched on 4 December 1988, the carrier was renamed Varyag in late 1990, after the famous cruiser. When the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, the ship was put up for sale, as construction was halted while the ship was 68% complete.

>In 1998, the rusting hulk was sold at auction for $20 million to Agencia Turistica E Diversoes Chong Lot Limitada, a company from Macau. Chong Lot proposed to tow Varyag to Macau, where the ship would be converted into a $200 million floating hotel and casino.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_aircraft_carrier_Liaoning

>>34703333
Everyone knows this. It's not like the chinks were going to come out and say, "Hey can we buy that Soviet rustbucket so we can restore and retrofit it into a trainer for a future blue water carrier group?"

>>34703382
i dunno why they couldn't build the hull of it themselves. it's just a ships' hull after all. i think asians don't believe in their own ingenuity

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>>34703333
Better than what the Indians did. Pay Russia to convert a Kiev-class and face a shitload of cost overruns and dysfunctional dependency on parts and munitions from dozens of different suppliers and countries, basically rendering it permanently inoperable.

They consider it an investment into US death care industry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uz1iJF0JEQ

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>>34703407
It would still cost more and the Kuznetsov was already a proven design. Again, it's just a trainer. Same with the second. It will be third or fourth carrier that ditches the ramp completely and goes with a catapult flattop.

>>34703382

It's just being a smart shopper, buying ships is just like planning a large party. When buying a ship, never say it is to develop a blue water naval capability, and when planning a party never say it's for a wedding. Either way, telling the truth is just going to get you screwed on price.

>>34703234
>implying it won't be used by gooks to get their rightful vatnik clay

>>34703524
usa will not allow it :^)

I got no issues with it, they do that to everyone and the results are rarely impressive. I'm looking at you, chinese motorcycle market.

>>34703223
I don't see them flying notHornets on their notNimitz carrier.

>>34703614
well they didnt copy our carriers, theirs isnt coal powered

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>>34703614
they will fly notraptors soon

>>34703524
Siberia already overrunned by Chinese as of now anyway.

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>>34703206
the funny thing is that their weapons are in much better condition than Russian's

pic related (they even stole US army logo)

>>34703684
Because China actually have the funding, unlike Russia.

>>34703449
If they already know how the cv 21 is going to look why don't they build them from the start?
Check mate americans

>>34703665
Not true.
https://www.rbth.com/articles/2012/04/27/is_russias_far_east_overcrowded_by_chinese_immigrants_15432.html

There are quite a few yakuts, buryats and so on, but those are naturalized russians for the most part and have zero relation to China.

>>34703684
>country in complete apocalyptic financial and societal collapse
>a quarter of a century later equipment is starting to suffer problems from non-existent maintenance
Really makes you think.

>>34703453
>It's just being a smart shopper, buying ships is just like planning a large party. When buying a ship, never say it is to develop a blue water naval capability, and when planning a party never say it's for a wedding. Either way, telling the truth is just going to get you screwed on price.

Honestly I doubt Ukrainians who were selling ruins of Soviet Union on whole sale gave a fuck. When Russians asked for proper price on Su-33 and functional arrestor cable system for Chink carrier, they could go to Ukrainians as buy one of Su-33 prototypes and that cable system from Ukrainian air base that was built to train Soviet naval pilots. Most likely for scrap metal value. That happened when Ukraine had pro-Russian government. Now that Ukrainian-Russian relations are shit due to Russia annexing Crimea and eastern Ukraine being invaded by Russian "volunteers", they are selling everything Antonov ever developed with documentation to China.

>>34704125

Sure, but they might have held out for more money if they knew what it was for, and if the buyer was officially backed by Beijing. The Russians made so much bank out of screwing the Indians on the Admiral Gorshkov (though, that was mostly on the refurbishment).

>>34703234
>It will be used to conquer the resource rich east of Russia, when they are busy getting rekt by NATO.
ftfy

>>34703426
This guy is an amateur. It's like he just took some Rosoboronexport brochures and pasted it into his presentation. Dude has no real understanding of actual missile warfare.

>>34706491

What makes you say that?

>>34703614
they have a notf35, dont they?

>>34704625
>nato ever allowing chinks to invade russia

you see, you will help us vs chinks and chinks will help us vs you, burgers

>>34706565
I watched about 30 minutes of this guy droning on. A couple things.

1) PLAN did not really lack AShMs.
2) even the sunburns are getting replaced by chinese domestic missiles
3) PLAN did not import "dozens of sets" of bandstands. They made their own.
4)Klub is the export name, sizzler is the NATO name. Nobody calls it klub sizzler.
5)052B approached and in certain areas surpassed the sovs, no mention of that.

Look, this guy is a LibArts/PoliSci guy with no real understanding of warfare from a technical perspective. Kinda like what k/unts are if k/unts had jobs and degrees.

>>34703422
There's a huge arms embargo on China. They're forced to make what they want on their own and take the """export models""" that Russia sells them.

The Indians just buy whatever they feel like.

So India ends up with a little bit from everyone making spare parts management, maintanance and logistics a nightmare while China has its domestic equipment with some Russian stuff thrown in, everything streamlined.

>>34703915
I think cv18 is based off a semi-official model that was displayed by the builders, CVN20 and 21 are probably just speculative Chinafied Fords.

The thing I'll give China credit for is that they do appear to be carefully developing their capacity. They probably could have tried to build a more impressive ship than the Type 001a but that would have led to a much higher chance of delays and blowouts (witness the Indian troubles with their indigenous build).

>>34706581
>not realizing burguers will let you 2 destroy eachother and only help enough whoever is losing to make sure nobody wins

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>>34706569
Yup, the J-31

>>34710206
>>34706569
The J-31 is an attempt to copy the F-22.

>>34710237
Then why does it look like a twin engine F-35?

>>34703650

Needs more emphases on the not part seeing as PRC is always 1 step behind.


It will be 4.5 tier garbage

>>34710237
>>34710332
Retards

>>34703524
>implying that the gooks need the frozen vatnik clay, not islands in warm waters

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>>34703333
>ukraine

>>34703206
All the Russian things made in China that I know of, are build under license with the help of the original manufacturers. Which means they aren't reverse engineered.

>>34711825
http://nationalinterest.org/feature/china-stole-fighter-russia%E2%80%94-its-coming-the-south-china-sea-17087

>The Shenyang J-11 is a Chinese copy of the excellent Russian Sukhoi Su-27 “Flanker” multirole fighter. In fact, it was at first an authorized copy—but Chinese ambitions to adapt it with locally produced technology transformed it into a reverse-engineered headache for Russian industry.

>In successive variants, the J-11 and the Flanker-derived J-15 and J-16 have been at the forefront of Chinese efforts to produce long-range fourth-generation fighters that can contest the seas around China.

>>34703333
>man, do i hate burgers

Huh. I don't even think about you.

>>34711776
So you're saying the riches underneath Siberia means nothing? Well, these days they don't need the land to be Chinese clay, just Chinese corporation operating on those clay will suffice.

>>34711825
>implying chinks wont reverse engineer it anyway for future development without licensing to vatniks

>>34711874
who are you and why is it important that you should think about me?

>>34711874
I like chinese food.

>>34711883
>who are you
a burger
>why is it important that you should think about me?
you are unimportant so I don't think about you or your people...thats kind of the point.

>>34703449
I cant wait to see Chinese cats in testing, you know full well that they are going to be death traps

>>34703206
Why is /pol/ baiting trash like this even allowed to be posted on /k/?

Quick research shows that the Chinese bought the carrier from Ukraine like >>34703333 already posted. There's even that stupid plane/helo image comparison that's floating around that's half wrong. The Ukrainians are the ones selling the Chinese all these Soviet designs. Zubir, Su-33, Varyag. I'm surprised that the Chinese don't want Ukraine to make up with Russia so they could continue getting access to Russian technology on the side >>34704125

I'm surprised Russia is so paranoid about selling and trading technology with China. They already sold them the Su-30MKK, surely it couldn't be a surprise that they managed to make the J-15 with both the Su-33 prototype from Ukraine and existing Su-27/30s to act as a framework.

Is that Su-35 sale to China a thing or not? I keep getting conflicting reports, even on a site like Janes.

>>34711905
>I'm surprised Russia is so paranoid about selling and trading technology with China

That's because China quite litterally stole the design of the Su-27. They had a contract with Russia that they cut short, and then created their unlicensed version (J-11).

>>34711877
>riches underneath Siberia
The Russians happily sell all the Siberian riches at a fair price. It's much cheaper than fighting for it.

>>34711904
The first ones always are. Eggs and omelettes. They'll eventually get where they need to be though. Just like chinkphones were a joke for years until people realized they were getting the high-end job done for a fraction of the price. Now /g/ won't shut up about them.

>>34711905
>Is that Su-35 sale to China a thing or not?

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2017/01/09/china-receives-first-advanced-su-35-flankers-from-russia/

>>34711905
See
>>34711913

It's part memes, but it's hardly /pol/ b8. China has stole designs. Not even in a "well Gee, that design sure is conveniently similar to this other 10 year old design". It's actually a cultural problem really.

>>34711882
What I mean is that if someone comes and teaches you how to make something, it's not really reverse engineered.

>>34711951
Exactly. The Russians just simply have to accept their Chinese overlords.

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>>34711976
>>34711977
see
>>34711842
>Many aspects of the J-11B are modernized and uniquely Chinese: the pilot displays and the “glass cockpit,” the on-board oxygenator (which helps keep the pilot conscious at high altitudes or while performing tight maneuvers), and the optical Missile Approach Warning System are all new. The older Russian N001E radar was replaced with a Chinese Type 1493 pulse-Doppler, which can reportedly detect fighters at a range of over ninety miles and surface warships at over two hundred. The airframe itself is made with lighter composite materials.

>The J-11B is also adapted to fire Chinese missiles and munitions—namely, the short-range PL-8 infrared guided missile (a knock-off of the Israeli Python 3) and the long-range PL-12 radar-guided missile (the so-called Chinese AMARAM, with a range of up to one hundred kilometers). A wide range of Chinese-made air-to-ground munitions, including antiradar missiles, laser-guided bombs and glide bombs, are supported. The Russian GSh-30 thirty-millimeter cannon is retained, however.

Of course the main drawback is still the turbofan engines. Indigenous designs still have a ways to go.

>>34711991
Yes, they cut short their order and created unlicensed copys. That's called theft.

>>34711996
Sue them. Oh wait.
>The Russian arms industry was very upset, and growled about intellectual-copyright litigation for several years—but with China accounting for 40 percent of Russian military sales for the first eight years of the century, Russian manufacturers appear not to have retaliated in the end.

kek

>>34712008
The fact that China has them by the balls does not make it any less than theft anon.

>>34711981
>selling resources
>overlords

>>34712011
There's no dishonor in thieving from a thief.

Sounds like Antonov is gonna move all their people to China since Ukraine couldn't support them. Russia/Ukraine town in China when?

>>34712035
Uhhh, what? The su-27 was an indig design...

>>34706641
>klub sizzler
Kind of sounds like an expensive drink you would order at a gay bar tbqh

>>34712011
I agree that it is underhanded, but this is a competitive world. The Russians should've recognized this and learned that China wasn't going to settle for a mere monkey model like Russia's other client states. I'm sure countries like Syria simply can't do any better than some T-72M, but China has the funding to refuse to buy Russian equipment. You can't leave money lying on the table famalam.

Plus giving the Chinese the real thing will only increase the arms race between them and India, which also buys Su-30MKIs from Russia. That's a potential gold mine that you can use to invest in your own airframes.

Honestly both China and Russia have bigger enemies than each other to worry about. If they're delusional enough to think that they can actually stand up to a united west they're lying to themselves.

>>34712046
Talking about Crimea. :^)

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>>34710206

Stop posting the shitty early prototype, the J-31 has come a long way

>>34712082
so that;s how chinks revenged ukraine!

>>34712094
It's... green now?

>>34712072
No, Russia was giving them tech transfer with the deal, as long as they bought x amount of airframes and components from Russia.

Underhanded would have been to finish the deal, take your airframes then upgrade them with your own components.

They straight up halted production, shut down the su line and started up their own. Full fucking theft.

>Russia needs China now
Its funny how things change

>>34711913
The truth is a bit nuanced than that. Remember, Rudsia provided the CKD kits and then components to facilitate domestic Chinese production. The problem came when chinese were...unsatisfied with the capability of the original export product.

>>34712158
That's not what happened.

>>34703206
What happen to the Russian defence industry when they Chinese run out of secrets to steal? Do they get thrown aside like a used cumrag and left to slowly get all crusty and gross in a corner somewhere?

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>>34712108

No stealthy paint on it yet, that's the bear primer on carbon fibre

>>34712227
China can be unsatisfied but that's what they bought. They then stole the design, and screwed Russia out of the rest of the run.

You can't damage control this. It's theft, pure and simple.

>>34712240
That's exactly what happened.

>>34711991
>replaced N001E
What a shocker. A set ripped from a boneyard F-4 would be better than that literal fucking trash.

>>34712359
>theft, pure and simple.
So? Welcome to the real world where money talks. China has moneys. Russia has, well, nothing. Guess who wears the pants in this relationship.

>>34712386
>So?

So, and going back to the original point, it's completely unsurprising that "Russia is so paranoid about selling and trading technology with China"

And, as an additional point, the crux of the Chinese steal design memes.

>>34712380
The problem is they replaced it with another pulse dopplar.

>>34712244
If you know the question, you already know the answer

>>34712393
>muh steal, steal, steal....
Reverse engineering is not something you can damage control of, and it's not necessarily steal since China dig out their "little secrets" mostly by themselves. If they can fully reproduce them without anyone's help, then they just can. Not too many countries have such ability.

India also has tons of Russian's weapons along with different countries' weapons, far more than China, they're very eager to own those techs as well, but how many of them are successfully reverse engineered? Literally none.

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>>34703206
It's absolutely normal for countries that need to catch up.

US did it. Germany did it. Russia did it. Japan did it. Now China's doing it.
Heck, if you look at history, even fucking Rome stood on the fact they could get a hold of Carthaginian wreckage and reverse-engineer that to make a fleet to battle Carthiginian Empire with.

As long as this research helps them improve their industry, the products of which are omnipresent in the world, I'm fine with it.
It's called technological progress for the betterment of humanity and while it may suck to be on the end point of the barrel of the nation doing the research, as long as they can't exist without our markets and we can't exist without theirs, it's fine in my book because no war is going to happen.

>>34703206
>How do Vatniks feel
Proud. Our son China will crash your burgers liek a bug soon.

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>>34706581
>vatniks accuse the US of only acting in it's own selfish self-interest
>yet they claim we'd help them against the chinks because ????
Which is it Ivan?

>>34713002
They didn't reverse engineer anything (in this case) , it was supposed to be a tech transfer. Sukhoi sent their guys, so China could build their planes under license using Russian components for a price.

China reneged, shut down the line and started their own, then made unlicensed versions of the plane. That's called theft.

You can keep trying to damage control, I'll keep shutting you down.

>>34713002
>Why hasn't India done it?
Because they're literally incapable. Next question.

>>34715147
>China reneged, shut down the line and started their own, then made unlicensed versions of the plane. That's called theft.

so just like the burgers did to the bongs after ww2 with the whittle jet engine?

>>34714401
because burgers don't want a too powerful china

>>34710270
It looks like an F-22 with F-35 features, it is also closer in size to an F-22.

>>34715298
You mean what the Soviets did to the Bongs.

>>34714159
More like the nation which actually had actual open hostilities and skirmishes which saw Russian troops BTFO? Enjoy being colonized.

>>34703206
>When they see China reverse-engineer and mass produce so much their tech?
It really pisses them off.

>>34711883
Americans don't need to give a fuck about poorfags like you. I'm sure you're full of nationalistic fervor for whatever shithole you hail from, but it doesn't change the fact that Americans don't give a fuck about you, your culture or your opinions.

>>34715298
Mooooooove Thoooooose GOAL POASTS!!!!!!

>>34712082
Crimea has always been Russian.

>>34716023
crimea is the rightful turkish clay

>>34716088
There are no Turkroaches alive to make that claim.

>>34711810
fatso popping out of his suit

>>34715298
That would be the USSR, and yes

>>34715848
Then why did you reply to him?

>>34703614
They're building a CATOBAR and will put some J-15s on it.

>I didn't know until recently that there was a Soviet CATOBAT carrier in the works, but got cancelled after the Wall came down because of economic troubles

>>34715452
Neither does Ivan.

>>34703422
China has 2 of the 4 Kiev's, both were bought as museums, one currently is a Museum (Minsk).
China has a pre-production Amphibious Assault Flattop design based heavily on the Kiev class - it's just starting low priority production now - Problem is China doesn't have VTOL tech - they failed to acquire plans for the Yak-141 Freestyle, or the F-35B - although they probably have plans/documentation from India's Sea Harrier FA2.
An alternative they've been considering is a STOL CAS Aircraft - something like a SU-25 but light enough for RATO takeoffs with a heavy load and with a low enough stall speed

>>34719133
>india is 50 billion different ethnicities
>decides to copy this for its military procurement

JUST

>>34703715
Russia's enduring stockpile is too large for it's own good.

For example Russia is keeping late model Mig-23/27, Su-17 and MiG-21 in storage for sale, parts cannibalization , or enduring stockpile (reserve materiel for war)

>>34719024
Eventuallytm

And it looks like itll be a kuz with a numitz island and catobar.

>>34719204
It'll be nuclear-powered by the 3rd phase at the latest. So not Kuz.

>>34716675
Ever step on an ant that is ever so slightly out of your way as you walk along in life? You dont even really think about why you do it, but the foot comes down and you move along without really missing a beat? Its like that.

>>34704495
To be fair to the poo's they had no were else to turn - their old supplier, the brits, were having none of their shit, and despite being a commonwealth republic they missed out on snagging an Invincible class when they were retired.
To be frank it's what India get's for being on the shit loser side during the cold war, even if they weren't strictly commie
The USA doesn't sell supercarriers, or even Amphibious assault shit flat tops, to other nation states any more, and the French and Italians charge an arm and a leg x100 for their shit

>>34706685
That's not strictly true.
India is considered by NATO to be a neutral non-friendly military power.
While a Commonwealth republic, thus allowing other members to transfer arms to India easier, more often than not the UK blocks transfers, barring that the US/EU/NATo applies the necessary pressure.
The UK, Canada, etc cannot export military aircraft directly to India. Both the Typhoon and Tornado are co-developed with France/germany etc and cannot be exported.

This is why India is considering the Gripen or the Superhornet.
The Superhornet will be a downgraded monkey model. India being a non-ally, non-friendly, will get the bottom of the barrel least capable super hornet.
European pressure against Sweden will ensure the Gripen will also be downgraded

>>34719364
pooinloos are super retarded they should have just gone full indigenous after stealing some western designs. look at where it got the chinks.

>>34719266
>Ever step on an ant that is ever so slightly out of your way as you walk along in life?
No, that sounds autistic.

>>34711842
Why the fuck can't China export it's aircraft and weapon systems? It seems like the Sukhoi vastly outsells the Chink Flanker

>>34719400
because Sukhoi brand Sukhois don't have lead paint

>>34719400
Not much of a market im guessing,

>>34712072
>Honestly both China and Russia have bigger enemies than each other to worry about.

China is bar none the greatest threat to Russia, and also the greatest potential ally to Russia.
Russia has been prodding them to make their presence known in conflict zones,humanitarian aid missions/etc around the world, and there is no doubt Russian intel on Africa and African connections are going to Chinese government and industry in places like Angola,

>>34719400
Russia already has an established market. Also while vatniks are giving chinks a free pass on copying/revamping all their shit, I'm pretty sure exporting and taking up actual market share is probably where they draw the line.

>>34712244
The real shocker is there is shit the Russian defense industry is banned from exporting/transferring tech to China now

By the Russian Government.
For example anything past S-300 is verboten, newest variant T-90 and the Armata are no go, and Russia is no longer exporting MANPADS or ATGM's el al because once the Chinks got their hands on the Strela-2 (SA-7) they made a bajillion copies, same with ATGM.

There is another problem with all of this though, it lessens faith of Chinese weapons on the international market, further not helped by China's money grubbing nature. No one is buying Chinese planes, besides Pakistan and the Norks, and China oft overvalues the equipment it does offer on the open market.
For example a new manufacture late variant (vastly and fully upgraded) J-7 Fishbed cost more when it was still being produced a few years back than a lightly used F-16.

It also fucks the chinese defense industry in other sectors - China has a booming ship industry that can't sell anything larger than a Missile boat or a Car Ferry, at this point not even Russia - who could afford to buy some discounted stripped corvette/frigate/destroyer hulls or even a future Amphibious Assault Ship will not even consider it now. The Russian navy and coast guard won't even consider buying Chinese auxiliary vessels or cargo ships

>>34719400
at the very end they exported their mig-21's clone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-7#Operators and some armed drone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CASC_Rainbow#Operators

>>34711964
do you know if the catapults will be steam or digital?

>>34719676
China has alot more aircraft than just Su-27 clones.

They have that F-16/Lavi mashup the J-16, stealthy F-22 copyjets, as well as helicopters, cargo aircraft, etc.

Mil and Kamov absolutely blows the fuck out of them in Helo sales

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>>34719390
>not crushing bugs.

Anon. You are clearly not doing your part. What you call autism is called casual motivation. Makes people want to see progress happen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_7FaWnlhS4

>>34719777
I think you're thinking of the FC-16? the J-16 is a variant of the J-11 the FC 16 is the rival to the taiwanese super f16 and is basically made for the PF

>>34719379

> Poolinloos try to make indigenous shit
> Tejas
> INSAS
> Arjun

So there's the reason why they are still very keen on buying.

>>34719835
If at first you dont succeed...

>>34719676
>China can barely export trainer aircraft
>No one is buying their cargo planes
>No one is buying their helos
>no one is buying their non-flanker jet fighters
>No one is buying their small arms outside of Myanmar, Bhutan and Bangladesh. North Korea, which was in between a rock and a hard place during the Sino-Soviet split, makes it's own shit now.
>As for their heavier weaponry - mid east powers buy their AShM's and missile boats/corvettes, pakistan buys their tanks
>They have utterly alienated and to continue to alienate their greatest potential idealogical ally (Vietnam) Forcing Vietnam to buy Russian and Israeli equipment
>With Nam' goes Cambodia and Laos.
>Every nation on it's borders besides North Korea, Pakistan and Myanmar is either neutral CIS bloc (Russia and central asian allies), or hostile/in terrible relations

>>34719726
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-7#Operators

The J-7 Fishbed is a known quantity and was produced from 1965 to 2013.
Originally as a cheaper alternative to the MiG-21.
Later models got much more advanced avionics, new engines, etc.
The post 2005 models were so upgraded they were competing with used F-16 pricing

>>34703206
At least someone is using the Su-33 for something worthwhile.

>>34719835
>By 2009, thirty-five years after it was originally conceived, Arjun was “ready” for production. Despite shortcomings revealed in testing, the Indian Army was forced to buy 124 Arjuns—enough to equip just two armored regiments—to keep state tank production facilities open. By mid-2015, two years after the purchase was complete, nearly 75 percent of the Arjun force was inoperable due to technical problems.

Jesus christ

>>34719867
Didnt the iraqis buy a ton of their drones or was it iran

>>34719951
Iran did, Iraq usually buys from the west now, except when they get their stuff directly from Iran who buys from China.

>>34719977
Iraq has bought quite a lot of Russian gear as well, especially special purpose stuff.

>>34712359
What exactly did they steal? A design that was sold to them by the russians?

>>34715147
You're full of shit. Russian expertise was limited to CKD assembly and maintanence suppor during the early days of the j11 program. Serial production with domestic content was very far away from the russian program schedule.

You're a retarded cunt who has a hate boner for china because they now produce and field superior equipment while you stupid vatniks continue to kill yourselves with vodka, cigarettes, and a plumetting birthrate.

Fuck off.

>>34719400
China doesn't want to upset united aircraft by competing with a derivative flanker design. They're not ready to burn that bridge yet.

>>34719686
There is so much wrong with your post, the only thing I can really say is for you to stop posting.

>>34719777
It's the j10 you dumbass.

>>34719867
Retard.

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In a magical non nuke conflict what could stop China from just taking all the resource rich areas in eastern Russia?

Would US/NATO help in that situation?

>>34719773
First ones will definitely be steam.

>>34714401
please anon I can only be so erect

>>34720297
The fact like no roads exist in Siberia probably. Also the fact that China can just buy the materials coming out of Siberia.

>>34720347
This. People keep forgetting China's military primarily exists to (1) ensure domestic order and state compliance and (2) safeguard soft power/economic interests. It wasn't foreign trade that brought them to heel in the 19th century, it was European military might. Beijing doesn't want a repeat of that asymmetry.

>>34720179
elaborate fuck nugget, because Their most exported aircraft of all time were Farmers, Fishbeds and Fresco copies during the cold war.

>>34719951
The UCAV/UAV market is looking to be a big change in Chinese aerospace - they are China's most successful export types, simply because every other player is over priced shit (IAI, or european models) or impossible to acquire (US models, BAe shit, etc)

>>34720165
Who literally gives a shit what the chinks call their poverty plane. Call it by it's NATO codename, Chink naming designations are pants on head retarded

>>34720658
j-16 is not its NATO codename tho :^) so u still wrong nigga

>>34720519
It was centralized government with no checks or balances that brought them to heel. Mao's management of country killed around 50m people. The power was completely concentrated in the hands of a few people.

Funny how Beijing doesn't mind that asymmetry though.

>>34720732
>Mao's management of country killed around 50m people.
the number seems to be very questionable

>>34720741
if u add up GLF and the Cultural Revolution its about right. mao was your archetypal resistance leader and had no business managing a nation state. He should have drowned swimming the yangtze

>>34719390
you're weird and you're not helping us crush the insectoid threat

>>34720732
>Mao
>19th century
Didn't realize our education system was this broken.

>>34719867
Sounds like China's military industry is going to collapse, amiright?

>>34721532

It's a state controlled industry so it won't collapse, the issue is that the latest hardware is eyewateringly expensive, and China is barely recouping any of that through exports and driving down costs through economies of scale. The PRC has known since the Gulf War that knock-off versions of USSR hardware aren't going to cut it against the USA and its allies, but as long as Chinese is seen as low-end, they won't be able to get the profitable exports like the USA does to offset costs.

>>34720068
>Russian expertise was limited to CKD assembly and maintanence suppor during the early days of the j11 program.

Wrong as fuck and pure damage control. During the early days of the J-11 program they were given a license to locally produce the su-27, with sukhoi helping them get going, blueprints, etc.

> In 1995, Moscow sold Beijing a license to manufacture 200 Su-27SK aircraft, which it was planned to build under the name of J-11 using Russian components. Until 2003, China purchased 95 sets from the Russian Federation for them, but refused 105 from the remaining 105 sets.

https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&nv=1&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://m.lenta.ru/news/2009/08/19/copy/&usg=ALkJrhgKcAqfCLO6Xvz2b0z81TPG7R_B7Q

You are a chicom who is damage controlling the fuck out of the fact that China stole Russian designs. I, am an American. The fact that the J-11B is superior is irrelevant.

Like I said, keep spreading lies, I'll be here.

>>34720011
They produced unlicensed copys, which is theft, and didn't even finish their contractual agreements, which is theft and fraud.

>>34722506
>a nationstate complaining about other nationstates styling on u

embarrassing/10

>>34722513
Hello Jude.

Russia has every right to bitch about it, they got screwed. Which, back again to the original point, is why they are cagey about making deals with China.

Being a jew is not styling on another fucker. What the US did to get titanium for their SR-72, now THAT'S styling.

>>34722518
SR-71

>>34722497
>You are a chicom who is damage controlling the fuck out of the fact that China stole Russian designs.

China ran into this problem, where they wanted to start using better materials, more advanced components and the Russians don't have the expertise to make that happen. China was always going to steal a huge swath of design moires from the 27 and they were always going to use their own upgraded components. Russia was always aware of this inevitability, but they refused to capitulate to helping China achieve those goals. It happened sooner than Russia expected, but it wasn't a surprise in any manner of speaking.

You have a hardon for telling everyone that chinks steal technology and break contracts, but we all know this as fact already. Russia knew exactly who they were dealing with and where the deal was headed. The reason the deal went ahead is that China will continue buying weapons and components of all manner of military equipment for decades to come. Why not stay on the good side of the world's next superpower that lives directly next door?

Every single nation on earth that involves themselfs in arms manufacturing and procurement does the exact same kind of deal breaking and IP theft. Of course, China is simply the best at this sort of underhandedness, and they don't apologize for it. Between espionage and blatant deal breaking, the espionage is much much more damaging so if you want to get all huffy about something, think about the even less scrupulous shit going down on Chinas part, Russias, Israel, and yes, burgers are not above stealing and implementing ideas taken from other nations, things America never paid for and never even gave the false perception that they would play by the rules, they outright played spy games and took what they wanted.

tl;dr - Boo fucking hoo. It's the way of the world, no apologies because it's SOP.

>>34720658
Is your answer for every mistake "who cares"? You must have gotten really far in life.

>>34722497
You're dumb as fuck.

>>34722821
>Every single nation on earth that involves themselfs in arms manufacturing and procurement does the exact same kind of deal breaking and IP theft.

Wrong. Absolutely 100% incorrect. You can't make a statement like this and expect to be taken seriously.

Nobody has done what China did to Russia in the last 50 years. An uncompleted licensed order to a full on copy with domestic upgrades.

Tldr: You are full of shit.

>>34722868
Cool story.

>>34722506
Bitchboi cry moar.

>>34722918
I'm not the one damage controlling the theft. I could give a fuck about Russia and China, beyond calling China out on their shit.

Shitposting won't save you.

>>34722937
No, you're damage controlling your rampant stupidity.

>>34722950
Saying that China committed fraud and theft to a level not seen in half a century is ramped stupidity?

Nah, it's the truth, and as a chicom it triggers the fuck out of you.

>>34722937
>>34722950
#REKT
HOLY KEK

>>34712069
Kek

>>34719390
Fucking loser. Just remember, Americans are born in the land of prosperity and freedom, everyone else is born in some shittier version in of that.

>>34723098
Fact. With Swiss gun rights in the shitters that's where we currently are.

>>34722950
Your reading comprehension is too low to use this website. Please neck yourself chink. You won't be missed.

Imitation is flattery I suppose

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China won the tank biathlon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLLIFXPMea4

How can Russia even compete?

>>34723439
the finals are on august 12

>>34723098
>LARPing
boards.4chan.org/tg/

>>34723439
>China won the tank biathlon
>How can Russia even compete?
Just wait, russians once again will do some rule bending or downright cheating like before and declare themselves winners again.

>>34723340
double digit IQ "people" are not technically allowed here. Please leave.

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>>34721786
>The PRC has known since the Gulf War that knock-off versions of USSR hardware aren't going to cut it against the USA and its allies,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_industry#World.27s_largest_arms_exporters

looks like the chicoms are taking down the """allies"""

>>34723439
Isn't that a ZTZ-96C?

I thought all the B models in service were being updated to the C version years ago.

>>34721786
>The PRC has known since the Gulf War that knock-off versions of USSR hardware aren't going to cut it against the USA and its allies

not when the enemy has an overwhelming numbers advantage, indeed

>>34720297
The fact its far cheaper to buy them than take them.

>>34719133
I've seen the Minsk. They got it as a rusting hull in Shenzen across the border from HK. They literally stripped any electrical equipment of value from that hunk of metal once they realized that they couldn't use it. Now it just sits as a museum with rusting Soviet choppers and they have some white people do a dance show every hour.

I'm convinced that China has a stronger navy than Russia now. They have built an incredible amount of ships, some quite modern, and they're not done yet.

>>34729727
>and they have some white people do a dance show every hour.
NO. FUCKING. WAY.

THAT IS HILARIOUS.

>tfw you will never be a white dude dancing for chinks on a rusted hull of a soviet warship

>>34711810
I love the sassy utilitarian quazi-nazi uniform in black.

>>34727068
They already did.

Russian crew 1 stalled on track and missed helo target but somehow was awarded "all hits" and ran 19'11". Love timer shown with all other teams during TV coverage conveniently "unavailable".

Russian crew 2 missed 1 tank target and ran 20'40". Today their result was "revised" to 19'37".

Chinese crew 1 ran 19'36", their result was conveniently revised to 19'40" and to third place.

Chinese crew 2 got told 5 minutes before their start that they are not permitted to use the muzzle reference device to calibrate their main gun. Ended up having to do their run with uncalibrated gun, missed 2 targets and ran 22'45".

Russians seriously can't take a L.

>>34711887
I like Chinese food, and pussy.

Not much else though.

>>34731876
To be fair, the Chinese would do the same. Asiatic cultures like Russia and China and communist societies commonly falsify data to look better, compared to Western countries which try to downplay, obfuscate or de emphasize unflattering results

>>34732451
Chinks are constantly downplaying. They even downplay their defense budget.

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Do you think if the USSR hadn't collapsed and implemented more capitalistic reforms sooner do you think the roles would be reversed?

Outside of Syria and the Black Sea how far is Russia's influence?

>pics of brand new Chinese base in Djibouti

>>34732573
>Djibouti
I saw a docu about that place once ... even the Foreign Legion left, it was such a hellhole.

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>>34703206
>How do Vatniks feel When they see China
Something like this. Face it, no one ever took China seriously, no one does and no one ever will.

>>34733489
That's indeed a nice way to compensate the insecurity and sour grape feelings.

>>34733489
That's not what he said.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDrfE9I8_hs&index=3&list=PLKWhfOFddvwlFSN3LKiEJfRYzcuXgLOYv

>>34730239
That sounds about right.

Chinese tourists are very easy to please. Just put them in a theme park/zoo with scripted dance troupes occurring on the hour. Your tour guides just need to chaperone them like an elementary school trip and they'll think it's the best vacation ever.

Letting Chinese tourists roam free just means trash and litter all over your landmarks/museums.

>t. chink

>>34711874
You'll change your mind once you visit "5 Guys".