Fact: there are no good handguns

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>P30 is exactly as wide as a glawk
>wide is a complaint for P30
>not for glock

>>34693219
The 9mm P30 is as wide as a .45 ACP Glocks, so no, they are not "the same" as Glocks when you compare the same calibers.

>>34693219
>.gif

That's weird. I wonder if 4chan will display this garbage in comments too.

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>>34693247


>>34693229
P30 Width: 34 mm
G19 Width: 30 mm
woah holy shit bro you're right the P30 is just too big but that G19 is totally perfect for every application

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>>34693279
Cool. You know how to create a strawman.

I disagree.

And will be unsubscribing from your blog.

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>no handguns are go-

>>34693193

>the CZ-75 is all CZ makes

lmaoing at your life right now

SP-01 P10c and P07 all spit on your grave.

>>34693193
>92FS
>complaining about the slide safety
Either find an early model or get a Taurus PT92.
>talking shit about my sexy pistolfu curves
Faggot.

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>>34693288
The only reason the P30 is 4mm larger is because of the slide release

>>34693193
>*Squishy squishy*
They lowered the prices on these by almost $200 after that fiasco and fixed it, yet people still moan about it. It's a damn high quality gun for the price.

>>34693304
Hickok45 pointed out a couple flaws that the shills seem to always omit:
>13 pound fucking double action trigger pull
>impossible to engage the thumb safety without shifting your hand because of how flush it sits with the grip panels
>rear serrations are unusable with the thumb safety engaged because of how far it extends upward

Nope.

>>34693305
What are you on about? I'm literally only commenting on the CZ model 75 and its derivatives only. The P10c has its own flaws that didn't fit into the 2000 character limit.

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>>34693312
Sorry that your favorite gun is too THIXX to fit into a cocktail dress.

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>>34693343
>Large grips
>he doesn't purse carry when attending ballroom dances

>>34693329
>using DA
>ever
Unless you're a LEO this is not an argument.
>safety knob with tight tolerances on a brand new gun is stiff, who would have thought
Mine works just fine after a few months fiddling it.
>racking the slide with safety on
Full retard, even if it's mechanically possible.

>>34693193
>handlets

when will they learn?

>>34693360
They are three flaws, whether you want to admit it or not.

>>34693359
Posting with an avatar is a bannable offense. I can take criticism, but stop subjecting me and everybody else in the tread to stupid twitter emojis.

>pointing out the negatives instead of pointing out the positives and picking the most positive pistol
you're doing it all wrong

>>34693334

>the P10C has it's own flaws

The fuck it does. You can complain about batch issues with CZ due to quality control but the actual designs of the handguns are superb. You want to talk about the 75 and it's derivatives? Fine, I mentioned the SP-01. A gun that routinely wins competitive shooting tournaments OOB. This is a bad gun? What the fuck world do you live in.

>>34693360
Not that anon, but you don't get to just dismiss other peoples opinions....

>>34693391
SP01
>too heavy
>same CZ75 parts breakage
>muh IPSC

there you go buddy

>>34693391
It's a flawed design because it has a screw that screws directly into the frame, not into a bushing, and the screw can break off in the frame, rendering your gun into actual garbage. If you'd read my post for comprehension, then I wouldn't have to repeat myself.

>>34693403
>muh opinions
Oh sweet summer child.

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>>34693380
It's a meme you dip

>>34693418
Stop.

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>>34693416
And there it is. You're just a bitter jerk.
You know the ones who shout summer are always hypocrites.
>'muh opinions'
Those were your opinions about someone elses opinions.

You do realize you're on the internet right?

>>34693193
Manlet detected

>>34693193
Fact: There are no good bait threads
>>34693304
Just what the 226 needed. A safety. Fucking brilliant.

>things have flaws
A-fucking-mazing discovery there, Sherlock.

>>34693193
>Slide-mounted safety/decocker is unintuitive, unergonomic and dangerous
only if you are retarded
>Unappealing designs that don't sell very well and seem like they're a year away from being discontinued
fair enough for the PX4. ironically if beretta made the Cougar again they'd do better in the medium sized handgun market.
>tfw the 92fs compact without the ugly as fuck under frame rail was a limited release

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*Blocks your path*

>>34693193
Hi, why the FUCK are you posting MY picture? You don't own any of those guns, how could you possibly talk shit?

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>>34693193
>Beretta 92 series pistols
>Unappealing design

>>34693506
A shitty Beretta like safety, this like many others are one hit wonders that people will disregard into the junk pile like the Sphinx/Arsenal/etc.

>>34693193
All of that is either opinion or flat out made up bullshit, are you high?

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Guns are not for beauty pageants
get on my level scrubs

>>34693689
He already pointed out the problem with glocks

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There are no perfect pist.....
Everyone else btfo

>usp
>show pitting in the bore very early
Stopped reading right there. You've clearly never owned any of these guns. Kys.

>>34693508
MY THING HAS TO BE FLAWLESS NO COMPROMISES IF IT'S NOT PERFECT IT'S SHIT I TELL YOU.

SHIT

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>>34693716
He hasn't, that picture is of my guns from a year or so ago. I'm carrying that USP right fucking now.

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>>34693743
>NO COMPROMISES
Then the USP is the obvious choice

>>34693745
Why so many guns you planning to start a war or something huh?

>>34693761
Yes.

>>34693279

Especially when you consider the extra width is for the ambi slide release

>>34693193
False.
The Walther PP series exists.

>saged

>>34693644
Sorry. I don't mean to misrepresent. It was just a really great photo and was appropriate to the thread.

>>34693688
Not an argument.

>>34693716
http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-handgun-talk/366218-mk23-barrel-wear-bore.html#post2709410

>>34693793
>heavy
>weak ass calibers
>slide-mounted controls

Straight into the garbage.

>>34693870
At least you tried. Here's your (You).

>>34693932
Way to avoid having to deal with tough criticisms. Coward.

>>34693831
It's not appropriate to this thread, those guns have none of the made up problems in the OP

>>34693193
How would you know? You've never owned any of them before.

>>34693849
That's not pitting you retard, that's just carbon residue on the polygonal rifling.

>>34693944
All four of those guns were mentioned in the OP and it's a well composed photo. I've owned every gun mentioned in the OP except the Berettas and the FHN FNS, but all at different times, so I would have to post half a dozen photos to show all the guns I talked about.

>>34693952
All except for the Berettas and FNH pistols.

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>>34693962
I've owned an older police trade-in USP45 and it absolutely did have pitting in the bore, which was observed as roughness that wouldn't come out no matter how hard I cleaned it. Keep in mind that these guns have polygonally-rifled, chrome-lined bores. They should be very easy to clean. I spent more than an hour on my gun and it still had the roughness. It was pitting.

>>34693193
I have a usp expert that I've up 14084 rounds through in the past 1 year and 3 months and there's no pitting in the bore. I clean it every 6k rounds or so. You're a nogunz or newgunz talking out your ass.

>>34693984
>>34693849

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I got you OP.

ITT concentrated autism

>>34693984
>1000 rounds per month, through a single gun, continuously

Also, I don't believe you are being truthful.

>>34693952
Each company has airsoft version or cheaper versions of their own guns. The airsoft version is only different is that it cannot accept real bullets but overall they are 90% identical to their real counterparts.

>>34693193
Neat, what do you carry then? Or are you just another summerposting nogunz fag?

>>34693193
>no good handguns

some fucking idiots last nite were saying the tec-9 is great

cripes

>>34693994
Welcome to 4chan, enjoy your stay

>>34694003
I have carried the highly flawed Sig P938 for the past 2 years. Before that, I carried a Sig P238, and before that I carried a Glock 19. Lately, I've been carrying the even more flawed LCP II. I hate them all. j/k

>>34693193
Springfield XDs
>inb4 muh traitor
Doesn't mean it's not a good gun
>inb4 muh GRIPZONE
>inb4 muh grip safety
Not a fan myself, but 1911s have them and that by itself doesnt make it bad

It's solid, lightweight, and one of thee smallest subcompact 9s on the market

>>34693193
Springfield shill

>>34693982
I have no idea what the police trade in USP have gone through but my USP45 with 10k rounds through it which considering that police qualify with 150/rounds a year should be at least ten times more the abuse, does not have the pic that was posted on hkpro. That being said I clean my guns religiously. Don't regard a product that has been abused as a flaw.

That being said my glocks have the same rifling and there is zero pitting as well.

>>34693995
I really like this gun. Over the past 1 year and 3 months I also have 1500 rounds through my Glock 17 and 2726 rounds through my P2000sk. I can do this because I make 70k a year and am a kissless 23 year old permavirgin with no friends who lives paycheck to paycheck spending all his money on guns, ammo, and optics. The only things I do when I get home from work are dryfire and watch anime. I hit the range 3 times every 2 weeks alternating between 2 times and 1 times a week. Right now I'm doing 250 rounds per range trip.

If you truly want to be good at something you have to dedicate every facet of your life to it.

>>34694023
>>34694030
I deliberately didn't include the XD series because I don't believe they are worth spending money on, same reason I didn't include Taurus or Kel-Tec.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXppWF8rmgo
>here's how to tell if your XDs needs to be recalled
>chamber a round
>if it fires as soon as the round goes into battery, it needs to go back to springfield
>no big deal, though

>>34693549
oh fug

>>34693995
addendum:
I have
2 USP9 Experts
2 USP45s LEM and DA/SA
2 P2000sks
I also have autism that forces me to buy guns in pairs. ONE IS NONE TWO IS ONE.

None of them have pitting in the bore.

>>34694053
>None of them have pitting in the bore.
Looks like you have something to look forward to.

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Where is Styer?

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>>34693193
Consider yourself proven wrong

>>34694102
It's not on the list because Steyr is making an objectively good firearm

>>34694102
>>34694289
>>34694304
Not on the list because it's low on my radar and I've never owned, shot or even handled one. If I'm going to be less-than-genuine, a few nitpicks I can think of:
>sights are different for no reason
>lock-out device built into frame
>so obscure that magazines and holsters might be hard to find
I dunno. They seem cool, I've just never had any real contact with them.

>>34693870
begone pleb

>>34693193
glock has a back to the future issue?

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>>34693425

>>34693193

OP I think you're confusing the word "good" for "perfect" again.

>>34693193

>Sigs
>He had to resort to complaining about his tiny hands

Guess they must be pretty good then.

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>>34694470
>one legitimate comment about the guns not fitting about 40% of the population
>three other comments about other reasons why they are shit

>>34694542

Fun fact, 84.37% of stats are made up.

>>34693193
I'll just address what I own.

Glock:
Trigger is fine
Stock sights are fine unless you're retarded
My Glock 26 has maybe 6 FTFs in 10 years, probably all from shooting reloads.

Beretta 92/PX4
Slide mounted safety is not "unintuitive" it actually makes a ton of sense to me to push forward. Also, like any safety, it has a red dot so you know. The high mounted position makes sweeping forward easier than sweeping down. That's the reason it's like that.
It's also not dangerous at all. If you're trying to talk about the "you could accidentally engage the safety when racking the gun" either A) don't rack the gun like that, use your slide release or B) pay attention or C) use the safety as the grip point.

In shooting the PX4 for a year and the 92 series for 12 years, I have never once engaged the safety unintentionally.

Unappealing designs? 92FS is literally one of the most popular guns of all time and the PX4 is sexy as hell, also this does not affect function of gun at all. And M9/92FS is like the 1911, it will never be discontinued.

1911
Lemons exist in any gun.
Fit and finish, again, can be with any gun.
I've had my 1911 for 2 years, neither of your problems exist in my gun. I can tell you're retarded because if you're trying to attack the 1911 there are valid criticisms against. (Must be carried safety on hammer back or unchambered to be safe, low capacity, magazine reliability)

Ruger
I only have a GP100 and it is flawless. Are you only talking semiautos?

There are great pistols out there, the point you should have made rather than being a troll is "A rifle is better than a handgun."

>>34694662
Stock Glock sites are fucking awful dude, they snap if you try to rack it against your belt and they have a tendency scoot off to one side after repeated firing.

>>34693343
Ayo hol up

So you be saying that

I could carry a glock 20 just as well as a p30? (Slightly longer barrel)

15+1 of 10mm would be sweeet

>>34693193
>I'm an indecisive faggot that endlessly trolls forums and is easily influenced by anecdote

>>34693964
>ve owned every gun mentioned in the OP except the Berettas and the FHN FNS,
Prove it

>>34693549
>muh dick goes BOOOIIIIING

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>>34694662
>Stock sights are fine
They are literally detrimental to accuracy.

>>34694662
>1911
>Lemons exist in any gun.
Not 1911. Colt 1911. And no, lemons are not normal.

>>34694727
I don't feel like identifying my collection so people can get pissed off at me later if I post it in arsenal threads. What if I forget to blur out a serial number in the future? There are people on /k/ who get so mad at hearing opinions that they disagree with, who knows what they'd do with that information if they had it? It seems that you are already pretty emotional about me using your photo simply because I thought it was a good photo. Even though I used it out of genuine respect for the photo, you seem to have taken it as a personal slight and have expressed some sort of vendetta against me. No, I'm going to avoid giving you further ammo.

If you can't address the legitimate criticisms I posed in the OP, then you shouldn't be posting in this thread. If you're not comfortable with people saving your images, you shouldn't be posting them on 4chan.

>>34694023
The stupid roll pin that holds the striker in tends to shit itself fairly often.

>>34694937
Tl;Dr you don't own guns

>>34694835

Fuck me, that explains why I shot so much better when I swapped the factory sights for Dawson ones on my Glock 17.

>>34694835
honestly ... that pic just told me what was the problem the last time i went shooting ..
Damned service weapons.

>>34695021
I guess that's how I was able to come up with the flaws for all those guns, many of which people on /k/ rarely talk about.

Name a single gun you think I don't own and I will post proof of owning it or the next closest thing.

>>34693654
Beretta 92's are sexy, my grandpa even has one.

>>34693193
There are no perfect handguns. Lots of good ones. Find your favorites.

Gotta catch 'em all.

>>34695064
>Name a single gun you think I don't own and I will post proof of owning it or the next closest thing.
Any of the guns in the OP, which is a picture of my personal firearms.

>>34694978
Not a common issue.

Sidearms are only there to carry me to my nearest rifle anyways in case of diversity.

>B.. b. bb. but muh overpenetration!

There was some collateral damage.

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Back the fuck up bitch niggas

>>34693279
Best part is those 4 mm are the switches which can be reduced on the LEM model.

>>34693193
>having small hands
Post disregarded

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>>34695117
It's weird to me that you are still fixated on the fact that I posted your photo. Find the place where I claimed that was my collection.

>>34695146
>Best part is those 4 mm are the switches which can be reduced on the LEM model.
This is just wrong. >>34693343

>>34695164
I don't want to be associated with such reckless faggotry

>>34695180
You aren't associated with anything, since your identity isn't attached to the photo.

>>34693982
They are not chrome lined, and the finish on the inside is supposed to wear off.

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Checkmate gunthiest

>>34694317
You can't say "there are no good handguns" and then say that you didn't mean that one because you've never used it.

>>34695329
It's not a characteristic of a good handgun to change up the sight picture for no reason.

>>34693992
Unavailable LOL.

Fuck you, Walther.

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Come at me nigger OP.

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>>34693279

>>34695352
There is a reason. Just because you don't understand it doesn't invalidate it.
Mags are by mec gar and are easy to get

>>34695329
He's just trolling anyway, any gun you bring up will be shot down with unsubstantiated anecdotes or totally made up bullshit and any counter argunent will be liberal straw manned into oblivion.

>>34695352
The reason is they're better

>>34695202
Watch user reports of H&Ks at 5000 rounds and see how minimal the wear actually is. The coating process supposedly allows for hardening even slightly bellow the surface.

Barrels are cold hammer forged, a propriety blend cited as "cannon grade steel", with barrels reaching round counts of 90,000 in endurance testing.

So I'll get my leaf license for handguns in a couple months and I've been wondering what I should get first.

Been thinking about .45 USP tactical, Sig P229, FNX-9, VP9 or a .357 revolver
Thoughts?

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>>34693193
>there are no goo-

>I've come across lemons, have baby hands, can't take care of my guns, and parroting information I read online
>I am an expert with expert opinions that are FACT

Cool, so you're an actual bonafide Fudd.

>>34693418
Post more, I love them

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Actually not bad despite being a Slav gun for poorfags

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>>34695393
>unsubstantiated anecdotes or totally made up bullshit and any counter argunent will be liberal straw manned into oblivion
>>34695519
>Cool, so you're an actual bonafide Fudd.

What's the matter? Couldn't think up any legitimate rebuttals to my criticisms?

>>34695582
Well you couldn't come up with any rebuttals to >>34695138
>>34695220
>>34695384
>>34695494

>>34695642
Because you didn't make any arguments.

>>34695138
Not a pistol.
>>34695220
Irrelevant and outdated.
>>34695384
>>34695494
*Squishy squishy*

>>34695566
Nice Mak. I love mine. I've never had a FTF or a FTE, although one time I let a friend shoot it and literally every shot done by him it failed to go into battery.

My only issues with them is the weight (for EDC) and the size of the sights.

>>34695683
Title of the thread says handguns, not pistols

>>34695414
Get a 9mm and a .357 first.

>>34695707
You're still retarded for thinking that any revolver would be better than any semi-auto.

>>34695723
So FNX or Sig for the 9mm?

>>34695734
Glock.

>>34695734
It really depends..for what purpose are you buying a gun?

>>34695723
>>34695734
or VP9?

>>34695743
lol no

>>34695754
Since I'm in Canada it's gonna be purely for range fuckery

>>34695755
How's it feel to be more closed minded than the OP?

>>34695768
Not too bad.
I prefer guns that look halfway good, sorry.

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>>34695683
Squishy squishy is a meme, and it's telling you have no real arguments against FN.

You're missing out on perfection because you fell for an Internet meme, kek.

>>34695801
There's literally a video showing your gun going to rubber.

>>34695494
>good gun
>has to sent in to factory every 2k rounds for inspection or it voids the warranty
Pick one

>>34695764
In that case, I wouldn´t bother with anything that´s not full-size. What´s your budget?

>>34695801
FN is a good company to fanboi, i respect you

>>34695829
About 1.5k syrup tokens I guess

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>>34695808
A video, meaning one. One issue out of millions of firearms produced, which was fixed.

And now the polymer is is stronger and superior than any other existing polymer on the market, because FN cares about quality and corrected the issue, unlike some other shitty manufacturers.

I will personally buy you an FN so you can stick it in your mouth and blow your nigger brains out.

>>34695808
there's literally dozens of pictures of glocks exploding
what are you trying to say?

>>34695826
a warranty service has nothing to do with the quality of a product, brainlet.
come back with an argument next time

>>34695841
I have to take back what I said earlier. I´d try to get a USP Elite in 45 and would just buy a 9mm conversion kit later on, preferably the Expert one. You´ll have a lot of fun and success with that setup.

>>34695808
You know the guy that made the video got contacted and they sent him a replacement pistol that was normal, yea?

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>>34695847
>I will personally buy you an FN so you can stick it in your mouth and blow your nigger brains out.

Not even hating on OP because I get the feeling he's just here to get some easy chuckles but this did genuinely make me laugh out loud, cracking job anon.

>>34695808
>>34695881

Woops forgot video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGq1uwoOSHs

>>34695847
>one issue
Somebody post the thread.

>>34695872
That was my favorite option to date to be honest. Since I'm a very minimalist guy I'd rather have just one high quality handgun, plus it means I can realize my former CS 1.6 kid's dream.

>>34693304
oh look a chinkified german pistol

>>34695859
The Glocks "explode" when people run super charged ammo through them. Not from normal factory-recommended shooting on a sunny day.

>>34695871
>the quality of the gun is such that it can not be shot for more than 2000 rounds without supervision by the manufacturer
OK.

>>34695871
Needing an inspection from the factory every 2k rounds isn't exactly symptomatic of quality. Neither is plastic so weak that it can be flexed easily by hand or control levers with a reputation for breaking off during fire.

Suggesting that CS shouldn't be a factor in selecting which product to purchase is fucking retarded and definitely a viable concern for determining whether a current production handgun is "good" or better than the competition.

>>34695881
Who knows what other kinds of problems slipped by the "gunsmiths" at that factory.

>>34695911
i guess you're right. it's not fair to compare a catastrophic failure like glocknades to a rarely documented non-issue like "squishy handles"

>>34695916
It doesn't need an inspection every 2k rounds. That's a condition of the warranty. That has no bearing on the quality of the platform.

I'll chip in to that other guy's 'kill yourself nigger OP' kickstarter.

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Good handgun? Single action army.

>>34693193
What ruger Blackhawk?

>>34695933
>the manufacturer only stands behind their work to the extent that if you shoot it where they can't see for too long, they assume any malfunctions are your fault and not the fault of their defective gun
OK.

>>34695911
>The Glocks "explode" when people run super charged ammo through them.
Literally doesn't matter. If you were here for the endless threads of "Glocknade" memes you would understand.

>>34695900
You´ll be happy with that thing. I know a lot of people who own and love that same exact set-up.

>>34695911
it can be shot as much as you like without getting it inspected by the manufacturer, mongoloid.

>>34695916
it doesn't need an inspection, just like it doesn't need a warranty.
>control levers with a reputation of breaking off during fire
source? how often does this happen? after how many rounds?

CS doesn't seem to be an issue for people buying used guns, which i would say is a very large amount of firearms purchases

>>34695871
>>34695859
>>34695847
>>34695840
>>34695801
>>34695882
>>34695950
>>34695933
>>34695929
>there was just one youtube video that i've seen so that means there aren't any other serious issues with the platform
BOOM.
https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?24700-So-I-broke-my-FNS-9L

FNH fags on suicide watch.

>>34693193
Springfield XDm mod.2

>>34695966
>>it can be shot as much as you like without getting it inspected by the manufacturer, mongoloid.
Hahahahahahahahahaha.

>it doesn't need a warranty
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>34695971

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>>34695971
LOL
O
L

>>34695975
No u.

>>34695980
>not an argument the post
bye

>>34695986
>somebody doing something with a gun that it was not intended to do (fire +P+ ammo)
>vs somebody doing exactly what the manufacturer intended the gun to do
Hmm.

>>34695998
I'll spell it out for you, faglord: The entire FNH line of plastic pistols is suspect of being garbage due to egregious QC errors, and their warranty is laughable because they claim that people who don't return their guns to the factory every 2000 rounds void their warranty in so doing. I've supported this argument with sound reasoning and evidence. Your response is to feign ignorance and pretend there isn't a problem. That's not an argument.

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>>34696023
LOL
O
L

>>34693193
>-USP45 grip is like a 2x4 and is just too big if your hands are merely medium sized

manlet problems

>>34696023
>suspect of being garbage due to egregious QC errors
not cited anywhere ITT. there are 5 .com links here, some talking about squishy grips which is not a dangerous fault, but rather an obnoxious misstep.
>I've supported this argument with sound reasoning and evidence
you have not. see above
>warranty
not an issue

you're delusional bud. you exist in a fantasy world of your own creation. you're fanatically dogmatic in your position to talk shit about a product and company you aren't invested in because of memes you saw on the internet

>>34695933
not op.

Your amount of denial is literally laughable.

That clause either exists as a convenient way to avoid having to do warranty work on any defective guns or is in place because the guns tend to have serious issues if the practice isn't followed.

Sounds like the kind of company who's product you should trust with your life, especially when they have a stellar rep like the FNS/FNX.

>>34695966
Google it. Last time i did i found multiple forum posts of people having this issue combined with general questioning of the firearms polymer quality and perceived durability.

Some people not caring if a gun has a warranty or is of dubious quality doesn't mean that nobody can care about those things.

You might as well suggest that saturday night special type guns are the best for carry because they're so popular with criminals.

>>34696084
The practicing of servicing every 2000 rounds?

I own some SCUBA diving regulators. I have to get them serviced within a certain time as a condition of the warranty too. Are my regs trash? Or maybe this is actually normal mechanical engineering practice, you dumb shit.

>>34696071
>not cited anywhere
You don't get to ignore evidence that people posted and just say that no one posted it.

>>34696084
>google it
i'm not going to research your position for you.

>Some people not caring if a gun has a warranty or is of dubious quality doesn't mean that nobody can care about those things.
i didn't say that

>You might as well suggest that saturday night special type guns are the best for carry because they're so popular with criminals.
this has nothing to do with my position.
putting words in my mouth to make my points easier to attack isn't convincing anyone of anything

>>34696108
you don't get to reply to posts you didn't read

>>34693288
>Offering counterpoints to the issue at hand is strawmanning

>>34696131
It's true that I didn't waste my time reading your post, just like you aren't reading any of the evidence posted in the thread. It was your decision to remove yourself from rational conversation. I am reciprocating.

>>34696134
that's not a counter-point, mong.
you showed the p30 was larger, and then said "so what?"
you're just deflecting

>>34696134
Read the thread. An image was posted showing that the P30 is as wide as the fat Glocks. It's not just the levers.

so many pseuds ITT

>>34696153
you're deluded.
i addressed all the links itt
none of them involved "egregious qc" however you failed to define that

>>34696204
Roll out the personal attacks. The last refuge of the man without an argument.

>>34696212
see >>34696153

>>34696215
Childish.

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>>34693761
You don't?

>>34693745
Ayy fellow trench gun fag

>>34693329
Cocked and locked carry with this pistol is a nice feature but it's more of a novelty/ design feature to attract non SIG users. As for the safety someone finally makes one that is so unobtrusive and impossible to accidentally engage (because SIG's are carried decocked anyway) and you bitch.
The safety when actuated is damned near vertical anyway.

>>34693529
Beretta aren't hard to figure out, but decocker only models such as a modded A1 or the G are superior in every way

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>>34693193
>>Smith & Wesson
>-Glock copies that aren't as good as Glocks
That was once true. No longer.

>>34693410
If that happens, drill it out, and get a new screw?

What, do you not know how to do that?
Go see /diy/

>>34696552
Attempted unsuccessfully by two gunsmiths.

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>>34693193
Watch out, just being the best P226/P88 clone

>>34694674
*sights

Fucking hell jaquon, stay in school

No good handguns? You mean no perfect handguns. Nitpicking minute details =/= a bad gun.

>>34694937
Post guns or gtfo faggot.
I bet even if you do post shit, it'll be airshit. Get your act together anon, fuck.

>>34694102
>>34694289
>>34694304
>>34694317
I had an S9 and I wasn't a huge fan actually. The vaunted ergos weren't all they'd been cracked up to be (the S grips are differently contoured though) and the trigger had more stacking than I was expecting. I might try an M40 or S40 since tym says the gun was designed for the 40 and I could get a 357 barrel for it.

I'll probably get a kahr cm9 or something, though I don't know how you can have such a long trigger pull with no second strike. Honestly, I'm kind of feeling "over" the striker-fired polymer handgun thing and am thinking about a DAO of some kind

>>34693745
Nice model 8, what caliber? Was considering finding one in 35.

>>34695187
Not him, but post often enough and anyone who are regulars to this shit show will recognize the person posting it

>>34693279
test

>>34695847
Buy me one plz

>>34693193
>a brief list of the firearms I've never used
but yes we can't have nice things or fun on /k/

>>34695050
Same here, I just assumed it was me only being used to three dot sights, I picked up a Glock 30 a few months ago.

>>34693193
fact: youre retarded and the USP is fucking amazing

>>34696107
>mwap mwap mwap scuba equipment
Literally not even what were talking about but ok!

Your diving regs would be shit if literally no other diving regs on the market had to be serviced like that, no other manufacturer had such a useless warranty, and they were known for being flimsy, having QC issues, and occasionally breaking small parts.

Sounds like a sub par product to me!

>>34696124
Frankly i don't care enough to research my own position either, even if i do we both know your just going to move the goal posts so you can continue to feel right and vindicated in your choice of brands.

Also you said that shitty CS/warranty can't be considered as a negative against a gun design because you don't consider it to be. You don't get to decide what other people can consider a negative against a product they're considering. Reread your own posts plz.

>>34695377
Supposedly they make a short run every year. I've got my email and phone number at a dozen places should they ever show up, I want The Black Dog's piece.

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>>34696715
.35 Rem
It's fucking awesome, get one

>>34695399
As of 2011, federal had a USP 45 with 300k on it with no parts breakages, just recoil spring replacements.

Ok op, what do you suggest then if you are such a genius weapons designer?

>>34697115
>with no parts breakages,
Bullshit. This was never specified.

>>34697175
I'm not a genius weapons designer. I'm a genius weapons critic. At this point, I'd say that Glocks are the least shit.

>>34695683
>irrelevant and out dated
>more modern gun than USP, P-series sigs, glocks, 1911s, hi power

Guess this means I won :3c

>>34697277
newer than the 92 series too :3

>>34697277
>based on the Smith and Wesson 39, which was literally developed in the 1950s
>a goofy precocked firing system and safety were added in the late 1980s, which was already irrelevant since the Glock was a thing, and was made even more irrelevant with the H&K LEM trigger
>"modern"

Riiiigggghhhhhtttttttt.

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>>34697263
>I'm a genius weapons critic.
>says that glocks are the best
>shits on USP's
ok

>>34697341
I like and own both USPs and Glocks. Glocks are just better.

>>34697358
Oh this is going to be good.

Do tell little nigga, why?

>>34697391
Better specs, better system, better experience of ownership. It's not rocket surgery. If you think the USP is the objectively better gun, then you're letting your subjective preferences cloud your ability to think rationally.

>>34697411
Oh sweetie, you're so retarded. Want to try again?

>>34697437
>>34697437
Did I distill my opinion too succinctly that it was too strong for your soft mind to contain? Would you rather I soften the truth with platitudes and white lies about how great it is to have a handgun system that is full of gigantic handguns, that completely fails at modularity, and where you need to spend almost the cost of the gun to get a full complement of high capacity magazines? You've got to be out of your mind.

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>>34697472
>USP completely fails at modularity
>while singing glock's praises
lol
> where you need to spend almost the cost of the gun to get a full complement of high capacity magazines
>$30 for factory mags
lol

>>34697513
Do you not understand the concept of modularity?

With Glock, there are a total of 7 calibers and 6 size classes. Every one has the same controls and same trigger. Every one is upwards compatible for other magazines in the same caliber. Additionally, the grips themselves can be changed in circumference to accommodate different hand sizes.

With the USP, you have three calibers and two sizes. The USP9 and 40 have their own grip size. The USP45 has its own grip size. The USP9 and 40 Compacts have their own grip size again. The USP45 Compact has still another grip size. Magazines are specific only to the gun they were made for and are not upwards compatible. There is no customization of grip size or shape for different hand sizes.

It's not a difficult concept. Glocks are modular and USPs aren't modular whatsoever.

And I wouldn't consider a USP9 to be an up-to-date pistol with only 15 rounds in the magazine. Meanwhile, the 18 round magazines cost as much as $90 and the 30 round magazines cost $150-200 EACH.

Wow, dude. You are totally delusional if you can't get such a simply concept.

>>34697411
So like, not him, but-

>glock
>better specs
lol i assume you aren't referring to quality of materials, anon? I will agree that at least in my personal opinion what glock truly does best is make very simplistic handguns that are oftentimes the most size efficient in their class
>better system
Glocks are hardly that impressive in this regard. They've had transient issues in the past with reliability such as the gen 4 9mm issues, WML reliability issues with earlier guns, inability to fire when soaked without maritime cups, and shitty sights. The design is also particularly prone to NDs given the combination of a relatively light(effectively SAO tier) trigger and requiring a trigger pull to disassemble. Not awful but hardly amazing and there have definitely been less problematic designs out there.
>better experience of ownership
Entirely personal and subjective, however glock does have pretty good CS and most of their products just work with the exception of perhaps their single stack .380

>>34697472
This post reads like something an 8th grader made by stringing together terms he learned from a word a day calendar

>>34697625
>better specs
Glocks tend to be smaller, slimmer and lighter for a higher capacity than practically all other pistols.
>better system
Easy to repair, easy to customize, and fully modular across 7 calibers and 6 sizes. Find any other handgun that can even come close. The brass to the face issue can mostly be fixed, and even then, it's not a reliability issue.
>better experience of ownership
Little things like cost of magazines, the existence of high capacity magazines, availability of parts, availability of holsters, even ease of changing sights all come into play here. It's personal, but not entirely subjective. You can easily change a Glock's sights, for example, with tools available on ebay that cost about $40 total, but other handguns tend to profile parts of the slides such that specialty sight pushers costing upwards of $150 are required to do it right.

>>34697633
Not an argument. Try again.

>>34693193
>Glock
>Trigger is uncomfortable
How? Even if it is for you, there's like 100 different aftermarket triggers
>Stock sights suck (add $90 to the cost of any new Glock purchase for night sights)
You need to do that for any handgun unless it's just a range toy.
>BTTF issue with 9mm models may not have been fixed
Back to the future issues?

>>34697852
Yes, well as can be seen from my posts answering people which gun I'd actually recommend: >>34697673
>>34697584
>>34697472
>>34697411
>>34697263
It's clear what I think of Glocks.

Fact:

Glock v. HK

Better finish = Glock Melonite
Better polymer = Glock thicker and doesn't break when you step on it
Better ergos = HK
Better aftermarket = Glock lol
Better reliability = Glock

So there it is, this is undisputable,

>>34695871
Wait, that's actually a real thing???
Dafuq???

>>34695164
I remember you, you're probably the faggot who bought his first USP a couple weeks back and was bitching about how it had pitting in the barrel.

Protip, that link to HKpro, looks like built up carbon to me. Someone just sold you a USP that wasn't stored properly which would cause pitting in the barrel.

>>34693982
which probably means officer bumblefuck didn't maintain his weapon properly.

>owns multiple USPs
>inside of bore is black
>chrome lined

they're nitrided you dumb nigger, are you so retarded as to think chrome lining is black?

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>>34698096
Here's a KE Police trade in USP40, several tens of thousands of rounds shot after purchase. Zero pitting, its carbon build up and if I soak the barrel in fucking Hoppes overnight it goes away(its pointless since it gets shot regularly). No fucking idea what he's going on about.

>>34698028
quick rundown

>wrong
>wrong
>wrong again
>right
>wrong

>>34697115
Chuck Taylor has a glock 17 gen 2 with more than 300,000 rounds through it.

>>34698128
The rifling shouldn't even exist beyond 20k rounds you fucking no guns.

>>34698128
>>34698115
>>34698096
D E N I A L.

>>34698139
you just got bogged

>carrying a thread on pure glawk fanboyism
>245 replies

w o w

>>34693193
Define handgun, also
>ever putting form over function

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>>34693745
That's a badass collection, you have some good fuckin' taste.

>>34693745
As a noguns leaf, I am jelly

OP I only own two guns an AR and a 10/22. I want a pistol, however living here in commiefornia they tend to be fucking expensive and fucking a pain in the ass to obtain. Here's a list of what I wanted.

>Glock 19 Gen 3 - 6 months wait $600
>USP9c - $800 no wait

So far there is only two polymer handguns that is available here in commiefornia. If I don't care about the price difference do you think the USP9c is a better buy than the Glock?

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>>34693418
moar

>>34693193
damn, now you bullying me and giving me stress... i wanted a 75 compact, FUCK YOU

>>34695566
>penis grips

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>>34699889
$600 is a bad price for in-store and if you were willing to pay that much (i'm assuming it also has the dros and tax on top so it's more like $680) you might as well buy over the internet and pay a transfer fee

>>34693193
Buy Springfield cuck

Quality thread.

>>34693193
My Gen 2 Glock 17 was made in March of 1986. Since 1998 it has had a minimum of 2000 rounds through it per year. 1000 rounds have come out of this gun in a single day. I have worn out magazines but not the gun.

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>>34693193
Luger P08

Mauser C96

TEC-9

IWI Desert Eagle

IWI Jericho

And because I bet you would buy it, the Taurus Curve.

>>34695910
>Melania
>chink

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>>34693193
Only perfect handguns allowed in this thread.

>>34694674
Sights are for aiming, not racking it against your belt on YouTube.

>>34694835
shrug. I shoot my Glock 26 just fine and I don't even like Glocks that much.

>subjective points
>Claims absolute verdict
Gtfo. You didnt even mention the deagle, the most powerful gun in the world besides the glock and wesson 45mm fpo.

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Kneel before your master.

>>34701544
That's not a 1911.

>>34693311
Dubs deem truth.

And besides noone can deny its beauty.

>>34699186
Thanks, next additions are a S&W 59, Beretta 950bs .25, and a Marlin camp 9

>>34699532
Go get an SVT and troll people to feel better, I hope you get some cool shit soon man

>>34695352
They still make them and the compact.

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/mobile/product/84618/walther_p99_anti-stress_mode_40_s&w_12rd_4
https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/mobile/product/84619/walther_arms_2796376_p99_compact_anti-stress_mode_9mm_10rd_35_poly_g

>>34701544
ditch that safety and we'll talk

>>34695377
Meant to link to this post

>>34701920
Yes, I know they still make the .40 Shit and Wesson and the subcompact. I want neither. Well, maybe I'll get a subcompact after I have a compact.

>>34703125
Cowboy meme

>>34703142
Wrong thread.

>>34695138
>Fragile lock work that goes out of time
>overrated Stacky trigger - a tuned s&w beats it every time
>stupid as fuck cylinder release
>lol only 6 rounds
>incredibly overpriced
>>>>>>b-buh it looks purdy!

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>>34701923
The safety can't engage until you cock the firearm

>>34701544
Too bulky for a pistol

Way too underpowered for a rifle

No one who has to use that gun for what it was intended for actually likes it

>>34698096
>>34697341
>>34696971
Friendly reminder that a 10mm glock can be carried just as easily as a 9mm p30.

topKEK

>>34700196
makes it good for all hand sizes

>>34693193
what about walther ppq?

>>34693193

>Hi Power
-my own insecurities about a sistem that in over 80 years acros the map has proven reliable.
-sights are 3 dot

you should try harder, and put the fucking magazine disconect other than that pistol is fine

>>34693193
>>Colt 1911
>-Reliability is spotty, lemons exist
>-Fit and finish are spotty, need to inspect the gun in person so can't take advantage of online deals
so what you're saying is "try before you buy" and you can get a flawless colt 1911?

>>34703550
>inherent design flaw
>sights are 3 BAR
Faggot.

>>34703621
May need to buy twice, since it's impossible to know the reliability of a new gun.

>>34695220
safety turns off if dropped

>>34693311
if your solution to a pistol's ergos is to buy a Taurus knock-off, your pistol is deeply flawed

>>34694846
>lemons are not normal
in any large-scale manufacturing (ex. Colt, Sig, Springfield, Glock, S&W, etc.) there are going to be instances where something gets cocked up and slips through QC. it might only be 1 in 100,000 or fewer, but it happens

>>34701544
That finish looked like it was spray painted on with a can of paint from LOWEs.

Glocks are great. You can get them for as low as $310.49 if you are me.