So what's the deal with the Rhodesian Bush War? I know nothing

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>>34692625
>operation dragon rogue 2.0
sounds like the name of one of a D&D campaign lmao

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Quick rundown:


>Rhodesia bows to no one
>In contact with UK
>UK gets rid of all it's colonies and Commonwealth governments, post WWII to seem less imperialistic
>If this happens, it fucks over Rhodesia
>Rhodesia makes a Declaration of Independence
>UK says fuck you and tells everyone to not support them
>Everyone but (((Israel))) and South Africa basically leave Rhodesia to fend for itself
>War lords move in, the ZAPU & ZANU
>Both backed by Commies (Russians & Chinks)
>Rhodesia holds strong -- ENTIRELY BY ITSELF as Israel/SA eventually pull support due to outside pressure for nearly 3 decades
>Rhodesia's Selous Scouts have a fucking absurd KDR (like 30:1)
>Slowly chipped away for years
>Utter underdogs
>Eventually collapses, Mugabe takes over
>White genocide and genocide against all blacks who fought for Rhodesia
>Total cleanse
>New government of Zimbabwe
>All white farmers leave the country or die
>Country is experiencing one of the worst famines in history
>Mugabe literally begging white people back
It just fulfills /k/'s fantasy of having our own little colony with a bunch of dumb nigger Commies to operate against and run little chance of being killed in return.


To this day, the UK claims Rhodesia was racist and you're basically a Nazi for supporting them. America has always remained neutral and still is about the topic.

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>>34693021

This is what I mean with the fucking absurd KDR.

Also,

>getting to operate with your m8s in comfy short shorts, cool camo, FAL's and a bunch of ex-Vietnam war vets/mercs.

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>>34693021

This is my favorite one. Those fuckers deserve everything that happens to them.

>>34692625
>>34693021
quicker rundown

/k/ hates blacks and this was a war of white people against blacks

Another war lost by far right cucks

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>>34693042

Thank you for Correcting the Record.

>>34693047
>>34692625
see what I mean?

>>34693047
fuck, if I had a coat like that I'd wear it every day

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>>34693054

Don't /pol/ tards ruin it for you. The entire country was /k/ as fuck and their military feats were impressive, that's why the deserve respect. Mugabe may have been retarded but Rhodesia was an apartheid state and don't let any slimy weaselling by /r/T_D rejects convince you otherwise.

>>34693021
Didn't some vets returning from Vietnam fight for Rhodesia, someone posted a Soldier of Fortune article where some were interviewed?

So did /k/ love the FAL before all the Rhodie love, or after?

>>34693042
War of white people and blacks against blacks.

>>34693035
Is this the one where they cluster bombed their parade muster?

>>34693042
Oh no you figured it out!!!

Actually, small correction: Whites were on the defensive

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>>34693021
OP here, massive thanks for explaining!
What a shame... too bad it ended like this.
I completely understand the appeal, fighting for your independance, liberty and freedom. Next to your buddies, reasonable volunteering natives, vietnam veterans and mercenaries. Mowing down poorly trained and equipped commie niggers who stand no chance. In your short shorts and wielding your trusty FAL or custom shortened RPD. Patrolling the beautiful Rhodesian planes and valleys.
Picturing this in my head makes me go "God I wish that were me..."

>>34693070
Considering how awful Mugabe's reign is (including his anti-White confiscation laws), the Apartheid state was much better for EVERYONE, Black and White.

>>34693091
blacks who fought to effectively keep the white landowners in absolute power. some rhodesian blacks had it better than others and its only natural they fought to keep their standard of living, but they were still second class citizens.

>>34693138
of course you say that because you're white and you're sufficiently removed from there in both distance and time.

>>34693116
fine. defensive war against blacks.

sentimental semantics against historical facts.

We could take it back /k/, if we really wanted to

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>>34693140
Better second class citizen in a stable and economically functioning nation than being first class citizen in an absolute disaster of a country. Not saying apartheid is inherently good, but it was definitely the lesser evil.

In addition, let's not forget that Whites in Zimbabwe are now the persecuted second class citizens, with many explicitly "anti-White" laws and racism on the local and governmental levels. Very ironic.

That's why many look up to Rhodesia: not because what is was, but because of how shitty Zimbabwe is now.

>>34693147
>tfw a mixed mongrel
Bug off, white rule is a preferred alternative to Mugabe by any means.

>>34693138

There's an argument there. I mean Mugabe's regime was equally racist and way more incompetent. That being said we shouldn't act like Rhodesia was some paradise, it was pretty shit if you were black, ie for most people.

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>>34693159
I'm in.
Time to operate!

>>34693147
First of all, I am Korean. I don't support Rhodesia because of "Muh White rayce..." sympathy/empathy.

I actually read a while on the Rhodesia/Zimbabwe conflict and I personally concluded that the "good guys" actually lost. It's personal opinion. Nothing more, nothing less.

Your comment implies that you're not White, so I'm guessing that you dislike Rhodesia only because it was a White dominant government. Understandable, but simplistic.

I remember there was this book that chronicled all the atrocities committed by ZANU, I forget the name though.

>>34693189
I agree

>>34693189
>it was pretty shit if you were black
>Rhodesia filled with vastly better living conditions for Africans
>drive away from it and its all shanty-towns

>>34693042
Except that half of rhodesian armed forces were also black

Really makes you think

>>34693214
So basically boils down to evil (Mugabe's Zimbabwe) vs lesser evil (Rhodesia Apartheid)

If anybody knows of a good book or two about Rhodesia would ya mind sharing with the rest of the class?

>>34693047
Bill: I dropped acid Hill.
Hillary: I'll wear that Chinese coat you like Bill.

>>34692625
because /k/ wants to operate in tiny little beavis shorts

>>34693238
Yep, pretty much.

>>34693197
even more simplistic is good/bad dichotomy, which is what you suggest happened. white rhodesians reaped what they sowed. ironic, considering they're land-owning farmers.

you're right that im not white. im jewish. an israeli jew. and israel supported rhodesia. here's the thing: i dont think israel is an apartheid state, but we do treat muslims as second class citizens. and it bothers me on a humane level. that atrocities are committed by the people i views as downtrodden is irrelevant. there's an objectively wrong thing that happened in rhodesia and happening in israel, and arguing "the lesser of evils" doesn't help in moving towards a better alternative.

time, distance, as well as ethnicity do a lot to affect one's perspective on things. there mere fact you didn't live there at the time and are a black native affects your viewpoint that "lesser evil" is a better alternative than violent resistance to injustice.

>>34693236
makes me think its irrelevant, like blacks in the SS and blacks fighting for the South (when they were losing)
>>34693140

Yes we hate blacks, yes we know the war was primarily racial.

Fuck niggers. 14/88

>>34693082
>So did /k/ love the FAL before all the Rhodie love, or after?
no, we all were in an argument on the whole garand vs k98 vs mosin back then. i would know, i've been browsing /k/ since 1954.

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>Grew up in Zimbabwe in the 90s and early 2000s
>Get to watch country slowly fall apart around you
>Sitting in petrol queues for 6 or more hours
>Empty supermarkets
>Farms turn into bushland as they're taken over by houts who don't know shit about farming
>Money becomes worthless
>Everyone becomes poorer, more desperate, more stressed
>Half the adults I know are hardened alcoholics
>Everyone talks about Rhodesia like it was that one kid in school who had all the potential but died in a car crash
>Like, the bitterness has evaporated and just left a defeated resignation

>>34693320
now admit the real reason you like guns is because they're just big and cool toys.

>>34693302
An (((outstanding citizen))) trying to convince us of the evils of a white dominated society, while justifying the horrors of Mugabe through cultural subjectivism.
Uh, somehow unexpected, isn't it.

>>34693302
Well, you're not wrong. As a foreigner from the future, my perspective makes the Rhodesian past look much more favorable.

If Rhodesian Blacks knew how bad it would be with Mugabe, they would've acted differently. Unfortunately, people can't see the future. Sorry for being a bit rough on you.

>>34693336
kinda like old people in russia today and their attitude towards Stalin.

>>34693315
>makes me think its irrelevant
Hmmmm, why would blacks in Africa fight for a state that allowed them to vote if they met the requirements met of them vs a power hungry marxist? That really beats me. Tell me, since you seem to be well versed in the history of Southern Africa, have you ever heard of a practice called "stoning the dog."

>>34693302
>Oy vey those evil white goys

>>34693302
Well I would argue that if Rhodesia would have had it's independance, that the country would have been MUCH more stable and in a MUCH better condition. And that at one point in time a party or leader or whatever political entity would have been fairly and democratically elected that would have abolished apartheid. Thus solving that problem. Instead of the country starving and dying of disease and where racism still prevails, only now it's against whites.

>>34692625
this, OP, is why /k/ romanticizes the rhodesian bush war.
>>34693344
>>34693344
>>34693320

>>34692625
It involves a bunch of rich white dudes slaughtering poor black dudes (many of which had communist leanings) by the thousands.

>>34693339
>not understanding respecting the 2nd amendment

why are you even on /k/

>>34693367
Rhodisean whites were not rich by white standards lmao

>>34693147
Any state that could actually feed it's population would be preferable to Mugabe

>>34693367
Now it's poor Black dudes slaughtering poor White dudes and stealing whatever land and dignity they had left

LOL! XDD

>>34693082
Yes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Crippled_Eagles

>>34693363
that would be assuming quite a lot, considering it took a civil war to end it in the US and even then it was replaced by segregation, and racist attitudes never changed sine abolition of slavery.

and again, stable and better condition for whites, and marginally better for *some* blacks. considering the central issue that rhodesia was regarded as better BECAUSE of it being run by whites, it might have been very hard to bring change. the movement to civil liberties and equality is not necessarily natural, especially if your institutions are based on segregation and inequality, which was the state of affairs in rhodesia.

>>34693368
i like guns. i think they look nice and they make cool sounds when you play with them.

2nd amendment, home defense, muh freedoms, thats all bullshit. most people like guns for the same reason they like cars: they look nice and are cool toys.

>>34693414
1. The country was indeed run better by Europeans
2. Whites are now facing equal to worse treatment and racism in the current government. That is why many White people have an especially pro-Rhodesia opinion (due to reactionary anger)

>>34693367
>but you are wrong

Lefty /pol/ get the fuck out.

Sub Saharan Africans are racially inferior to Europeans, and they have absolutely no business even existing.

Rhodesia flourished under white guidance, they were merciful, and allowed backs to remain even though they contributed nothing to society.

Communism is a Jewish invention solely focused on the destruction of traditional white culture and to bring about the fall of Western civilization.

You fucking kikes and nonwhites aren't fooling anyone.

>>34693447
reactionary anger is what started the whole mess in the first place. if your outlook is informed by accepting reactionary anger as a valid reason then you have no cause to criticize the reaction to white supremacy in rhodesia in the first place.

unless, of course, the most important reason to be upset is muh european stability.

>>34693450
I agree with you but I'm going to abandon the thread now because you probably turned this discussion into a 200+ replies shitstorm

>>34692625
one again i direct OP to the actual reason
>>34693482
>>34693483

>>34693490
And you're a straw-manning one trick pony

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>>34693490
>wouldn't even reply to the redpill writup to avoid drawing attention to it

Admit it you kike, you're a communist nonwhite you just hates everything whites stand for.

>>34693482
>reactionary anger is what started the whole mess in the first place.
You're retarded, using marxist terms to try and create a point when it is clear that ZANU-PF failed the nation. Is it really "reactionary" to fight for your survival and keep a semblance of order on what was working, despite it's many flaws? There were communists bombing white towns and farms and doing even worse things to black villages. The blacks that live in Zimbabwe today say that the country was better under white rule, they've even gone so far as to say that Ian Smith is laughing from the grave from the state of things.

>if your outlook is informed by accepting reactionary anger as a valid reason then you have no cause to criticize the reaction to white supremacy in rhodesia in the first place.
Again, word soup that makes little to no sense. If it was true white supremacy on a national level then why did so many blacks volunteer to fight for it? There was no black conscription, only whites were required to join the military.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1OzfpPtJoQ&t=1666s

The information is out there, and people are learning about it. There is a very good reason that Zambia took in so many of the whites fleeing from the dumpster fire that is Zimbabwe.

>>34693588
Thanks for doing the hard work for me

>>34692625

Whites killing blacks with FALs

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>>34692625
Get this book and you will understand everything about why people think the Rhodesians were awesome.

>>34693047
Was that coat a present by some of the african warlords they supported? looks fly af

>>34693029
>84 pale farm boys
Hardly, the majority of the Selous Scouts were black.

>>34693302
JIDF get out.
You and your state are as anti-white as Mugabe and Nkomo and their bands of tribal niggers.

>>34693117
What a time it was

>>34693365
Shut your mouth you filthy kike. That insolence of yours is going to be the end of you.

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>>34693302
I knew the Jews were behind this post

>>34693047
that's not a refutation

>>34693916
It was a war between white-gifted civilization and regressive african tribalism.
That's all you need to know Chaim.

>>34693916
>thats not a refutation of a complete straw man

Ok.

>>34693450
i'm as anti semitic as the next /k/ommando but you're in some next level skinhead logic there, bucko. god i hope i'm just taking bait.

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>>34693957
He's right actually. Take a stroll through 8pol sometime. You have much to learn.

For a specific reference to >>34693450 's claim about Africans, look into some of J. Rushton's work.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886912000840

>>34693886
It is truly some time intensive bait

>>34693021
mugabe's name is pronounced moo gah bee right? because I've been saying mugga be for years

Everybody calling Rhodesia an apartheid state and whatnot but were there even any racist laws? I know that voting was limited to only those with a certain level of education and wealth but that is hardly racist.

>>34693588
Good work anon

I personally like Empire of dust.

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>>34693117

>>34693302
Objectively Rhodesia was the better country however. Regardless of morality.

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>>34693159

>>34693336
is that basic Alice gear or is it some super special Rhodesian made webbing?

>>34693353

More blacks fought for Mugabe, that's part of why he won. Generally revolutions don't happen in countries where everybody is happy.

>if they met the requirements

Requirements specifically designed do exclude black people, since they were based on tax brackets and black pepper were overwhelmingly poor.

>>34693275
It doesn't boil down to that at all. If the Rhodesian government wasn't so incapable of reforming itself the warlords would never have held power and influence.

Extremes of right and left fucking over normal people in the middle once again.

>>34694596

It wasn't racist in the Jim Crow or South African sense where laws explicitly discriminated against blacks, but the policies it did have were basically designed to do that without making it obvious.

>>34695499
Only 25% of the blacks eligible for voting actually fucking voted.

>>34695505

This, the Rhodesian government barely paid lip service to the idea of majority rule, and generally opposed efforts to implement it peacefully. They are just as responsible for what happened as Mugabe imo. If you don't give people their basic political freedoms then they will try to take them, and it will usually be much messier than if you had just let them have it in the first place. The blacks were right to rise up in principle, the problem was how the country was handled afterwards.

>>34695534

And only about 10% of blacks were eligible at all. People not voting is generally a sign of people feeling like the system doesn't care about them in the first place, and feeling like voting wouldn't make a difference anyway.

>>34695547
Well "just giving it to them" resulted in the situation in the Congo

>>34695579
Please don't tell me that you could thing things are that simple. 'Giving it to them.' Good grief. Stop learning your history from fucking 4chan.

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>>34695579

Yeah I'm sure US and French backed death squads protecting mining interests, and the fact that Africa was a major Cold War battleground had nothing to do with it.

>>34692625
Aesthetics

>>34693021
everything you said was either a huge exaggeration or the exact opposite of the truth.

This is what happens when you learn history on /k/ holy fuck.

>>34695703
Elucidate.

>>34693450
correct

>>34695749
It isn't on that poster to write up a fully fledged history of the racist apartheid state of Rhodesia. You selfish nigger.

>>34695774
>that poster

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>>34695949
That's right fuck face.

>>34692694
>claire will never smile that way at you
Why did I even get /fit/ only dudes mire me now.

>>34695499
>More blacks fought for Mugabe,
I'm going to ask the question again, are you familiar with a term called "stoning the dog?"


>black pepper were overwhelmingly poor.
Because they lived in a tribal system where any sign of success would result in family members appearing from the woodwork to ask for a favor or loan. Here's the fun thing about Africa that everyone forgets, or just seems to ignore. The culture and ways of thinking is so bizarrely different from the west it's insane. Westerners like to gloss over it but applying our principles to Africa doesn't always translate. Which is why you see so many nations in Africa turning into a complete shitshow, which came to a head with the African Great War from the 90s to the early 2000s. Arguably it is still ongoing.

A video was posted in this thread earlier with Ian Smith talking about this situation in the particular context of Rhodesia. The blacks literally didn't give a shit about the country and wanted to be left to their own devices, and how they were attempting to make some form of progress in bringing education into the remote parts of the country where the blacks lived.

Now in Zimbabwe the blacks are not only poor, but are starving, without a function medical system, and Mugabe couldn't be bothered to do anything about it. He literally thinks of himself as an African Hitler-Jesus that speds an absurd ammount of money on himself. All of his medical checkups done in China, the same people that are literally buying out the country from underneath the people. Rhodesia had it's problems, but at least they tried to work on them before getting snuffed by the international community. The constitution of Zimbabwe-Rhodesia was supposed to be a solution but Mugabe complained that it wasn't a fair, despite the fact he was invited. Now look at it.

http://www.zimbabwesituation.com/news/zimsit_mugabe-quotes-from-hitler-to-jesus-christ-to-being-gay/

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>>34696056
You dumb nigger the entire point is that both Zanu and the Rhodesian regime were fucked. They were and are politically rotten and incapable of reform, and collapsed/are collapsing.

The Rhodesian government was so hopelessly fucked, and they fucked themselves with stupid pointless shit like banning black people from drinking on Sundays and enforcing curfews in segregated areas. It's amazing how western society has just stood by and watched so many dumb fucks like you buy in to all the stupid shit you've read on /pol/ because you like to entertain the notion of being the 'red pilled' minority who know the *real deal.*

>>34696056

>Abstract
Rhodesia, a breakaway British colony, was engulfed in an insurgency through much of its short history. African guerillas, rebelling against the white minority government, have killed many more African civilians during the war—the same group that formed their base of support—than either government soldiers or European civilians. The violence was not only intended to punish enemies of the guerilla—traitors or collaborators with the government. Nor was it the result of lack of popular support. Violence forced guerilla sympathizers to actively support the insurgency or participate in it, despite the considerable risks this participation carried. Political support should not be mistaken with mobilization. Without violence, the lack of benefits and the danger of government reprisal may have kept many from actively assisting the insurgency, despite politically identifying with the guerillas and hoping for their victory.

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/1057610X.2013.784611

So what, the geurillas used violence to get people to actively support their movement instead of tacitly doing so. Literally every geurilla movement ever has done that, including the American forces in the revolutionary war. They still had a critical mass of support among the population, clearly enough to win. If this wasn't the case then surely these supposedly terrorized civilians would flock to the government in droves. Insurgencies can't operate effectively without local civilian support for logistics, concealment, and intelligence. If the local populace truly didn't support them then the geurillas wouldn't have won.

>>34693029
Was that the one were they rolled into a large training camp with false-flagged trucks carrying bubba'd autocannons?

>>34696085
>They were and are politically rotten and incapable of reform, and collapsed/are collapsing.
So why did the parliament literally vote to destory itself and form Zimbabwe Rhodesia in 1979? That doesn't count as reform to you or are you just some shitstain that can't be objective about anything?

>It's amazing how western society has just stood by and watched so many dumb fucks like you buy in to all the stupid shit you've read on /pol/ because you like to entertain the notion of being the 'red pilled' minority who know the *real deal.*
There are entire books written about how fucked Africa is and how different the culture is. Dancing in the Glory of Monsters is a good one to start with. Or do you think that those books were written by /pol/acks and therefore not worthy of reading? You're also more than welcome to watch the video here >>34693588 There is plenty of information on this subject floating around that doens't originate from /pol/ you stupid ass.


>>34696126
http://www.academia.edu/3817882/Stoning_the_Dogs_Guerilla_Mobilization_and_Violence_in_Rhodesia

Here is the full article.

>So what
It kinda pokes a hole in a common narrative, and the particular one of the time, that the rebels were freedom fighters that did no wrong. When in fact they caused more fear and terror among the populace they were supposedly liberating. Image was a huge part of ZANU-PFs success, because Salisbury got slapped with negative press early on it seemed as though the guerrillas could do no wrong, so they constantly pumped out false information.

>They still had a critical mass of support among the population, clearly enough to win
How much of that was coerced from a population that didn't want to be bothered with politics in the first place?

>If the local populace truly didn't support them then the guerrillas wouldn't have won.
I'm sure some did, but it would be foolish to think a significant portion of it wasn't coerced.

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We need to stop having Rhodesia threads as often, its attracting too many /pol/acks.

OP, if you're still here try to ignore most of the bullshit in this thread and read pic related. When you finish, read The Bush War in Rhodesia by Dennis Croukamp. These two should give you the best overview of what the war looked like from the ground.

>>34693957
>Blacks
>Not inferior
m8

>>34696334
>So why did the parliament literally vote to destory itself and form Zimbabwe Rhodesia in 1979? That doesn't count as reform to you

No. That is a rebadge. Only a fucking goon would regard that as actual reform. It convinced nobody.

>There are entire books written about how fucked Africa is and how different the culture is

Africa isn't 'fucked.' There are countries that are more developed than others and there is no reason why it won't develop further as the west developed from its own centuries of endless wars and mayhem.

It's sad looking at someone who is so clearly dependent on a sense of racial superiority to get their kicks. Genuinely sad.

>>34696371
>Africa isn't 'fucked.' There are countries that are more developed than others and there is no reason why it won't develop further as the west developed from its own centuries of endless wars and mayhem.
0/10. The africans have had centuries to reach western standards and they have failed every time. Even places like South Africa are turning into literal shitholes as the blacks take over and the Whites leave. The only reason africa won't be completely fucked is because of the Chinese who have decided to go into that culture-less quagmire.

>>34696371
Not that guy, but one African nation is see a lot of lost potential is Ethiopia. They had a good thing going in the late 1800's.

>>34696371
Abel Muzorewa and the Zimbabwe-Rhodesia government would've been a great solution to the conflict, it simply came far too late.
>It convinced nobody
It was rather fucking convincing to people except of course to ZANLA/ZIPRA. I would rather Muzorewa had lead than Mugabe, hell I would take Nkomo over Mugabe.

>>34696398
>0/10. The africans have had centuries to reach western standards

Meaningless drivel. This is a global economy. Continents do not develop in isolation. You are reciting complete bullshit and you know it.

>>34696415
You are repeatedly ignoring that both the Rhodesian regime and ZANU regime are both awful and inept and incapable of reform. This 'I would prefer x to y' line is meaningless because the point is that the Rhodesian regime was a stagnant failure that collapsed under the weight of its own absurdity. Anyone who worships it like an autist is kidding themselves. It was another apartheid regime that selfishly held out against reform until it was too late.

>>34696371
You fucking kike.

Just get in the oven and stop kvetching.

Blacks are inferior, just accept it.

>>34696371
>No. That is a rebadge.
So you are a shitstain that can't think objectively

>There are countries that are more developed than others
No fucking shit. Believe it or not Rwanda actually has it's shit together and you could argue the genocide was the best thing to happen to them. It's fucked in terms of the Chinese are buying out huge chunks of the continent and that a majority of the countries there are facing wars, ethnic conflicts, and worst of all huge amounts of corruption and tribe based nepotism. Oh, and there is a food shortage in some parts so we spend billions keep it afloat.

>It's sad looking at someone who is so clearly dependent on a sense of racial superiority to get their kicks. Genuinely sad.
There it is, the racist label. You don't know me, my skin color, or where I live you you think I'm a racist. You're a fucking idiot.

>>34696402
They have had a good thing going since the first humans moved out of there. Shockingly things went to shit when the communists took power, who would've thunk it? They're slowly recovering. Probably helps that they are completely fucking niggerdly.

>>34696445
>I can't counter those points

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>>34696445
Ah the breitbart cuck reveals himself. Enjoy sucking kremlin dick and being a useful idiot you shit eating cunt.

>>34696447
It's pretty clear what you are. 'We spend billions to keep it afloat.' You are propagating the usual white man's burden bullshit that you picked up from whatever fetid internet shitholes you've been browsing, slowly rotting your brain with propaganda.

>>34696466
The point is just so asinine, so absurd that I can't even begin to refute it.

>>34696475
>BREITBART

lmao you're way out of your league.

Why can't you just admit that you're Jewish and hate white people?

>>34696441
>worships it like an autist
Never said I worshipped it, I didn't enter the thread until
>>34696337
After reading those books and others, I'm well aware the Rhodesian Front shot itself in the foot countless times and essentially fucked itself over in the long run. I know that the idea of a Rhodesia continuing to the modern day is a forlorn hope at best, and that much of the fighting delayed the inevitable. Doesn't mean I can't respect the Rhodesian fighting spirit and doesn't mean I have to be content with what happened afterwards. I do agree that most of this board are overly fond of things they do not understand about this war, which is why I try to post about the books and other resources available to better educate posters/lurkers about the conflict.

>>34696425
Yet when the niggers are left to rule all their self-ruled countries turn to shit. Go and ahead and explain Liberia.

Completely supported by the USA for decades after the civil war and look at the shithole it is now.

Or let's look at South Africa, which is year by year turning into a shithole as the niggers assume greater positions of power in the white created government that they simply don't have the IQ or cultural intelligence to manage.

Niggers simply can't rule and need the European to rule in their stead.

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Pretty sure if there were more stories about Rwanda /k/ would be loving them too, a hyper competent military that acquired a state through being a professional, disciplined army what's not to love? Black or white doesn't really matter.

>>34696475
Are you denying that African countries take billions in aid?

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I think FALs are cool

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>>34696501
>Yet when the niggers are left to rule all their self-ruled countries turn to shit.

Hang on a minute something doesn't quite add up here. I'd rather have Obama back than the cuck shitcunt your gang of autists backed for the white house who is selling his own country out to the Kremlin. But you faggots never had problems looking the other way on these troubling inconsistencies, did you.

>>34696513
No. My point is that that person's 'you don't know who I am!' act is pretty thin when he is claiming that 'we give billions to blacks' in the same fucking post.

>>34696475
>It's pretty clear what you are.
Yep, you're fucking retarded

>propaganda.
>implying the world doesn't dump billions of dollars on aid to africa
http://www.un.org/en/sections/where-we-work/africa/

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>>34696531
Don't you think FALs and short shorts are cool?

>>34696543
>>implying the world doesn't dump billions of dollars on aid to africa

I didn't 'imply' that. How about another 'dump of billions in aid' called the Marshall plan - have you thought about using that to support a new eugenics theory? Or does that not fit with your 'hurr niggers' agenda. I'm guessing it doesn't.

>>34696458
I am fairly convinced that classic monarchy is the best form of government for much of Africa. Few people on either the left or right seem to hold the view that different kinds of government suits various peoples and cultures more than others.

>>34696531
You mean the half-white half black mongrel of a President? I'm shocked. You read too much lefty/pol/ just because Trump is in power right now shockingly the USA remains the world's hegemon. I can bet your ass that in 4 years if he loses he won't pull a nigger moment and suddenly take control militarily like every fucking nigger infested government in Africa usually does.

>>34696531
this forfuckingever

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>>34696531
>No. My point is that that person's 'you don't know who I am!' act is pretty thin when he is claiming that 'we give billions to blacks' in the same fucking post.

https://borgenproject.org/us-foreign-aid-to-africa-what-we-give-and-why/
>In 2012, the United States provided nearly $12 billion in official development assistance (“ODA”) to African nations.

Why do you hate facts?

>>34696531
>le kremlin meme

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>>34696554
Hmmm it's almost as if the Marshal plan actually worked because the money wasn't squandered by useless niggers.

>>34696562
>You read too much lefty/pol/ just because Trump is in power right now shockingly the USA remains the world's hegemon. I can bet your ass that in 4 years if he loses he won't pull a nigger moment and suddenly take control militarily like every fucking nigger infested government in Africa usually does.

Funny. Trump tried to coerce the FBI director to offer him 'personal loyalty.' He squirms around trying to get people to hide his ties to his masters in the Kremlin. But this is fine with you because you'll ignore your own country being sold out by a shameless piece of shit because he's white and that's all that matters to you, you dumb cuck.

>>34696586
It's like I'm really on reddit.

>>34696586
So you're Jewish right?

>>34696600
You should take that as a sign that you've been wrapt in a post truth echo chamber for months, that spouts eugenics bullshit. Because that's where you've been. You need an intervention mate. I've had enough of just watching bullshit like that in this thread just get repeated and repeated without anyone making an effort to put you straight. Why are you so upset that someone is here contradicting the echo chamber? Ask yourself that and think on it for a few minutes.

>>34696554
>How about another 'dump of billions in aid' called the Marshall plan
Is that still ongoing and getting little to no results?

>have you thought about using that to support a new eugenics theory? Or does that not fit with your 'hurr niggers' agenda. I'm guessing it doesn't.
There you go implying things again. Tell me, what's it like being retarded?

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>>34696618
But there are great results you ignorant fuckstick.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/africa-in-focus/2017/03/24/figures-of-the-week-human-development-progress-in-africa-and-globally/

Turn of /pol/ and breitbart and start fucking reading the real shit.

>>34696631
>entire worlds HDI increases
>Africa just increases at roughly the same ammount (still abysmally low HDIs)

Those are horrific results you kike

>>34696617
All I see is some nigger apologist who in the face of centuries of nigger failure still espouses the foolhardy belief that niggers are somehow equal to the white man. The only example you can think of is a half breed nigger who traveled through white created institutions of education and white created institutions of power maintained by mostly whites as some sort of` damning proof against a multi-billionaire white man because someone on reddit posted a politifact article about "le ebul russians."

Niggers are niggers, fact, you can't change that hell, niggers sure haven't fucking tried.

>>34696657
>HDI is most likely an increase from Chinese investment and nothing to do with African economic improvements.

Wouldn't surprise me one bit.

>>34696659
I can see I've made an impression. It will take a while to de-programme you from the alt right bullshit that Russia Today and other hostile foreign powers have worked hard on baking in to your brain. But I am faithful that you and many others will realise that you've been mugged off by the shysters and charlatans like Alex Jones, Nigel Farage and Marine Le Pen one day. Probably sooner than you think.

Good luck anon.

>>34696673
Go back to posting politifact articles on reddit nigger.

>>34696631
>But there are great results you ignorant fuckstick.
>chart and and article both show otherwise

From the article you linked.
>Sub-Saharan Africa has the most significant inequality-induced human development losses at 32 percent, the report indicates.

Tell me, in your own words, how that is the same as "great results." Seems as though you need to start reading some "real shit."

>>34696703
Nice selective quotation. The report is hopeful. It is concerned that potential is being missed in SSA. But this claim that 'there has been no change in africa' is a complete and utter lie. I won't tolerate you or anyone else propagating these outright lies without getting someone setting you straight.

>>34696732
There is fundamentally no change since the HDIs are exponentially lower than the rest of the world, and almost none of the funding to raise the HDIs even a slight amount originated in Africa.

It's literally all foreign development and aid.

>>34696732
>The report is hopeful.
Hopefulness is not the same as results dipshit. Saying it is "fucking great results" is demonstrably false.

>But this claim that 'there has been no change in africa' is a complete and utter lie
I claimed "little to no."

>I won't tolerate you or anyone else propagating these outright lies without getting someone setting you straight.
Thanks for correcting the record!

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>>34696772
>There is fundamentally no change since the HDIs are exponentially lower than the rest of the world

Pic related, it's you in this post. You and the other alt right cuck faggot claimed 'billions are being dumped with no effect'. In fact, by claiming...

>It's literally all foreign development and aid.

You are claiming that the development and aid is effective!

>>34696586
>>34696617
Good luck convincing autists that their champion traitor is revealing them to be the true cucks. Seriously, fuck Trump, his supporters, and Russia.

>>34696789
You can't convince these people in the space of a day. De-programming them from what they've been conned in to is a lengthy process and part of it will require them to be brave and realise that they've been mugged off with cheap falsehoods and pound shop populist bigotry. But I think this is still worth doing. Fucked if Russia Today and Breitbart bullshit should just get to be pasted into all communications spaces without someone calling it out.

>>34696783
>Hopefulness is not the same as results dipshit.

The hope is derived from the results, i.e. the measurable HDI improvements.

Watching you desperately trying to interpret this report as anything other than proof of development and rising quality of life across africa and the world is funny but also sad.

>>34692694
I'm gonna need sauce on that

>>34696785
>HDIs for entire world rise
>HDIs for Africa rise at the same level in some cases, and in other cases drop almost 38% in the course of 10 years.
>None of the money that's generating the shift up in African HDIs originates in Africa

You don't see the issue here with this?

>>34693336
>Houts
What does that mean?

>>34696839
>>HDIs for entire world rise

Great

>HDIs for Africa rise at the same level in some cases

That's great too!

>and in other cases drop almost 38% in the course of 10 years.

Ya read the report wrong friendo, the report wording is a big peculiar but it essentially says that the HDI could have risen more, not for inequality related problems, which the authors estimate led to 32% less HDI growth than was possible.

>>None of the money that's generating the shift up in African HDIs originates in Africa

Where does it say this? Even so, even if this IS the case, it would be evidence that foreign aid and development is effective and worthwhile.

>>34693328
Oh cool we must have exchanged letters a few times in the letters section of Soldiers of Fortune

>>34696893
Also this is a great video on why foreign aid and development benefits the aider.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzL_avUIlEE

>>34696834
>The hope is derived from the results, i.e. the measurable HDI improvements.
So we're moving the goalpost from "great fucking results" to "hope" back to "great fucking results." Ok. The improvements are marginal at best and even the article says so. It even says it could be better FFS. Running around saying that it's great is again, false. At the end of the day the continent is still racked with poverty, ethnic conflict, and corruption. Saying it's all sunshine and rainbows

>Watching you desperately trying to interpret this report as anything other than proof of development and rising quality of life across africa and the world is funny but also sad.
Holy shit, people interpret things differently and discuss those interpretations. Who would've thunk that, we as humans, don't all share the same opinions. Truly amazing.

>>34696958
>obama said it on vox so it must be true
And you're the one saying people need to be "de-programmed"

>>34696337
Yeah I really liked how I made this thread intending it to be a fun /k themed history lesson and it just immediately turned into a /pol shitshow.
Thanks for the recommendations! Will definately check 'em out, they seem awesome!

>>34696975
Continents do not macroeconomically develop at a lightning fast pace. Africa is getting better. The development and aid is effective .You, or whoever the guy who claimed that money is 'being dumped with no effect' are flat out wrong.

>And you're the one saying people need to be "de-programmed"

It's the President of the USA, in agreement with his predecessor (GBW did an amazing job with development in africa). This is a non partisan issue. It is consensus. Compare that with the alt right /pol/ eugenics bullshit about 'hurr niggers' - in fact, there is no comparison. One is an evidence led consensus position, the other is a bunch of insecure and confused people on an image board.

>>34695505
When Abel Muzorewa got elected legitimately, Ian Smith stepped down. The problem was Mugabe throwing shitfits until the international community refused to recognize it. Now on the ballet, he intimidated and cheated his way to the presidency. Goodbye Rhodesia-Zimbabwe, hello ethnic cleansing and famine.

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>>34696996
>Africa is getting better. The development and aid is effective .

Yes, soon in 50 years we'll only have 2 billion more mouths to feed in Africa. God bless our aid efforts.

>>34697035
All of that stems from the decades of repression and stagnation that came before. Instead of a gradualist reform agenda, the old guard held down their fort until it was too late and change became unmanageable.

The closest parallel is the soviet union. Brezhnev refused to reform the USSR. The regime stagnated. By the time Gorbachev came around, no reform that would satisfy the communities was possible, and everything fell apart despite whatever reform attempts were made. The definition of too little, too late.

>>34697055
That isn't how development works. Population of europe grew during the marshal plan too - the 'baby boom'. Did that mean American aid had 'more mouths to feed' too?

>>34697084
Well for one we had the industrial and agricultural capacity to feed ourselves

>>34697055
No, they'll be in Europe.

>>34697093
Industry in europe was in an awful state at the end of WWII. Especially on the continent. The point I am making is that '2 billion more mouths!' just doesn't mean anything when the population increase will be in the context of increased development and industrialisation.

I need to go to bed as it's now 0020 my time but good night anons I hope I have been interesting.

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>>34697084

The population of Europe wasn't estimated to go from a billion to over 8 billion in the span of a century.

Aid efforts are setting up a catastrophe. Natural population controls like famine and epidemic disease are stopped by outside aid. And as the population grows the people continue to clear cut their land and slaughter their wildlife in a desperate attempt to feed themselves as the land becomes less and less fertile every year. Eventually the population will be so high that the west won't be able to help them even if they wanted to. They will flee the barren land that they have decimated in all directions as they die in the BILLIONS.

If you give them food aid or stop their epidemics then you need to match the removal of natural population control with artificial population control like China's one child policy, birth control and even sterilization. Or you can watch them breed to the point that they destroy their own continent then bring down Europe and the Middle East along with them.

Nahh man i got bad news for you, China is pretty much the worlds Hegemon right now, theyre buying out all the trade routs and energy tech. Most folks are just too busy unironically Team America'd out to notice. Donny's rub-my-American-balls-on-your-face attitude is funny, but pretty much every other country is slowly leaving us out of shit because we're a joke to them. The worst part is Trump is still with the Neoliberal economics of Clinton, Bush, Obama, ((()))... Shareholders scrape off the top and the rest of the money goes overseas.

>>34696562
>>34697211

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>>34696494
>out of your league
kek. what league are you in exactly?

>>34697150
I know it's pop philosophy but that's basically what Ishmael was about. The population of Africa is growing without food production keeping pace because it doesn't have to--the Africans can eat imported grain from Europe. Until aid becomes focused on improving arable farmland or promoting population control (not just in Africa, we all need to be conscious of carrying capacity), the situation for poor Africans won't actually improve.

>>34693117
Well if you call the use of chemical warfare, rumors of ISISing the shit out of refugee camps, and preserving apartheid like system of governance, a fight for independence, then sure. Plus just a whole ton of involvement in assassinations in neighboring countries.

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>>34693197
>Asian
>Not being racist against black people

>>34693809
>JIDF
>Recognises treating moslems as 2nd class citizens

You do know what JIDF means, right?

>>34696507
I ain't a /pol/tard or anything but you gotta admit. Africans pull the wackiest shit, such a shame we don't get to see competent wacky shit being pulled off like Rwanda

>>34693159
I doubt /k/ could survive the parachute drop

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>>34693772
That's a lie

>>34698395
thought that was celestia for a second desu

>>34693035
>government sanctioned harassment
>not genocide

Fucking commies, liberals, and kikes.

>>34693147
>the jews are back on /k/ again

Go hang out on /r/ guns with the faggots there. I'm sure you'd be more comfortable

>>34693302
FUCKING LOL. I didn't even read the whole thread and sure enough
>>34700994
I was right. Fuck off Khazar.

It amazes me that Jews still pretend to not know why they are hated so profusely and so pervasively. You know why you slimy rats, you know damn well. Keep pressing your luck.

>>34700923
I tough the same, the eyes and skin give it away, but what character is she?

>>34692625
A small country with a small but very competent military facing overwhelming odds against commies in the bush. Of course /k/ will romanticize it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkXEjzApCXo

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>>34692625

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>>34696834
>The hope is derived from the results

I tested positive for AIDS, I'm hopeful I don't have more AIDS since looking at my results?

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I'm sorry brehs

>>34701137
legit lold

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>>34700923
>>34701117
No.

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>>34693197
Logan? Is that you?

>>34693042
Only a nigger deals in absolutes

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>>34701394

For a period of recently modern warfare I find it rather interesting to learn about, it also confirms my cognitive bias that commies ruin everything and are actively trying to destabilize the world because they're just thieving thugs while lying through their teeth about it so people don't grow a backbone and kill them outright.

>>34696617
What a fag lol, if not this is top bait m8ty m8

>>34698023
You almost make it sound bad with your (((rumors))).

>>34693421
>Wanting it and having it have nothing to do with freedom protected by 2A, and no such thing as justifiable homicide exists.

Literally retarded.

>>34696475
You are consistently being btfo and your only argument usually boils down to fallacy and cries of racism. Maybe take a seat on the bench.

>>34693728
Nigger detected

It seems like a lot of people in this thread forgot about the period of time between 2003 & 2008. The popular thinking of the time was that you could not drop representative democracy on a bunch of third world era like so many cluster bombs. Something about how you needed education, culture, and supporting institutions to make democratic governments work. It seems to me that all of that stuff was missing when Britain said "Total democracy now, or else." Did the Brits expect it to work because the 20th century was more conductive to democracy or was it just that there were no Bush-ites/NeoCons promoting it?

>>34695703
Wrong nigger, he's right.