The North Korean ICBM from Japan's view.

>>34690748
not important, we have shitposts to shit out

>>34690748
thats breddy close

too close

time to invade

>>34691591
>time to invade
>Japan Self Defence Force
>Self Defence

Sorry senpai, article 9 say "You can't".

>>34691693
when has it stopped isreal, their army is named defence force too but they conquered quite a lot of clay with it

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They're trying to keep the kaiju at bay. Little do we all know, North Korea is the only thing keeping our World from being consumed by it.

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> North Korea has hailed as a success its latest test of an intercontinental ballistic missile describing it as a "stern warning" for the US.

> North Korean leader Kim Jong-un said the test proved that the entire US was within striking range, state media reported.

> The launch came three weeks after North Korea's first ICBM test.

> US President Donald Trump called it "only the latest reckless and dangerous action by the North Korean regime".

> China also condemned the missile test but urged "all parties concerned" to exercise restraint "and avoid intensifying tensions".

> Confirming the launch, the North said the ICBM flew for just over 47 minutes and reached an altitude of 3,724km (2,300 miles).

> It said the launch had "successfully tested re-entry capabilities" of the missile.

> "The leader said proudly the test also confirmed all the US mainland is within our striking range," the Korean Central News Agency said.

> The statement said that the rocket was a Hwasong-14, the same model North Korea tested on 3 July.

>>34691591
You mean they get the US to do all the work.

SK and Japan only would be fun to watch them get fucked by True Korea

>>34691738
i doubt russia will like missiles flying over it into the usa desu

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time to unleash the dogs of war

>>34691712
The Israeli constitution wasn't setup to prevent them from gaining nukes and military power like Japan's was. If anyone's going to invade it'll be the US.

>be nation that invents nuclear weapons
>70 years later
>scared shitless of a little gook nation with nuclear weapons
how many times have the north koreans directly threatened the US and our asian puppets with nukes?
i don't see how russia and china should even allow this too continue or if they could feasibly try to stay our hands now. the latest shake up in the administration is a direct response too shit going down in the pentagon and i think the time for detente with noko is over

>>34691762
>>be nation that invents nuclear weapons
germany?

>>34691770
>germany?
funny you should ask because, no. i meant the US manhatten project which designed and developed the worlds first nuclear weapons.

>>34691693
article 9 is slowly being revised to allow intervention

>>34691780
the weaponization of nuclear fission was the brainchild of german scientists, and the german atomic weapons program predates the manhattan project by a few years. It's just that the german facilities got bombed to shit and the scientists were drafted into the front lines.

>>34691770
They both had projects at the same time but Germany never came close to succeeding. If you look at interviews with the scientists they simply never had anywhere near the resources dedicated to the Manhattan Project

>>34691591
Tbh it's already too late. N. Korea already won in that they pretty much achieved their goal which was as a deterrent. We had decades to do something about it and nothing was done. It went from holding Seoul hostage, to the region, and now parts of the US.

einstein was a german too btw

>>34691806
That and British spies cheated and stole a lot of nuclear research from the Nazis and passed it to america.

>>34691809
the german project started as early as 1939 while the US government took until the pearl harbor attack to properly start doing things about making a bomb. It was only in late 1942 when the actual manhattan project began.

>>34691818
this is also true. The british program was much more advanced than the US program for a long time, relatively speaking, until the major US advantage of sheer industrial power allowed them to make larger gains.

Not to mention the fact that most of the key scientists involved in the development of nuclear weapons had fled europe as war became imminent.

>>34691828
Yes. Nothing you said contradicts what I said. Just because the Germans started early doesn't mean they had a chance in hell of succeeding.

>>34691806
Russians launched a satellite first. Doesn't mean they won the space race.

>>34691806
>brainchildren
>older project
>bombed
all these things do not mean that the US manhatten project was not the invetion program of nuclear weapons. now shut the fuck up you faggot.

>>34691839
they also sent a robot to the moon and mars first iirc

>>34690748
>nihon no eezi

>>34691828
The Germans were missing a number of key elements (heh) that kept them far behind in the race.

First of all, they didn't know about graphite, and a lot of their heavy water got blown up before it could be delivered. They also had nowhere near the number of experimental reactors to make and study plutonium, and didn't have enough confidence in their math to invest the resources needed for a centrifuge cascade large enough to make a simple gun-type bomb.

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>>34691743
>SK
>Fucked by the North
While civilian casualties would be bad, the ROK would curbstomp the DPRK in a protracted fight.

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>>34691859
>protracted
No, the Southern Poofs would make big gains early then lose more and more as it dragged on. They wouldn't have the stomach for anything but a few weeks of fighting.

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>>34691863
... It would be the reverse. If the KPA were to make inroads coming south, the ROK would mobilize its reserves (who are more than likely very pissed that the commies are attacking again) and fuck the North back over the border. The KPA does not have the logistical means with which to carry on an offensive down the entire length of the Korean peninsula, and its numerical advantage does not outweigh the ROK's technological and defensive advantages.
>Wouldn't have the stomach for anything but a few weeks of fighting
If the DPRK initiates it, they would fight like mad bastards.

>>34691882
>i'm from the future and this is what i've seen
it's retarded too compare the two armies without talking about their big brothers and the north korean nuclear arms advantage. one on one with high morale the north koreans would be the easy winners in a new korean war. the coalition plan is too fall back and use scorched earth tactics hopeing that they can minimize civil casualties until allied airpower can wear down the assault forces. with china and the usa going at it korea would be a side show though

>>34691902
>the coalition plan is too fall back and use scorched earth tactics
Please don't talk about shit you don't understand.

>>34691902
Except you forget the US nuclear weaponry too, but we will ignore it too cause China would probably throw a shitfit if used, however i must tell you that the scorched earth tactics part is full-on BS.

This shit is entirely destabilizing, here's why.

North Korea has made no bones about, quite verbatim, drowning the US in a sea of nuclear fire. Due to the stakes the US US has to take NK at its word, and it leaves the US with scant few options. It can either begin pseudo mass production of the GBI, keeping up with projected NK missile production to keep a credible defense, or first striking the shit out of Korea, then invading, to halt there nuclear program immediately (as in the next 3 years max).

Option one starts a new arms race with China and Russia, and has the US completely destabilizing the nuclear balance. Option two has obvious issues.

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>>34691902
>Would be the easy winners in a new korean war
Disregarding the US, if it was just the two of them there's very little chance the ROK would lose. You think they spent the decades since the Korean war sitting on their asses? They've been getting ready for a possible repeat while simultaneously putting together a rather squared-away military. A KPA push to the south would make some inroads, but there is no way for it to sustain momentum once the ROK begins to push back. Furthermore, much of the KPA's vehicles/equipment are old as fuck compared to what the ROK is putting out.

>>34691950
We could strike NK first, invade, then instead of stopping to occupy it, just obliterate China and Russia with nukes like MacArthur wanted to do 60 years ago. Then we wouldn't have to worry about filthy communists for at least another century.
>wishful thinking

>>34691925
>scorched earth tactics part is full-on BS.
not according to US soldiers i've talked too posted there. every roadway and bridge is rigged for demolition and all the hills are mined. US infantry regularly train for fighting withdrawals with the south koreans. peninsular war is an art in itself and the key isn't too be the first not too stick your dick up the glory hole. as for nukes i'm sure the white house would have no trouble in ordering a complete anti ballistic missile airwing permanently to rotate over korea during the constant devastating air campaign

one on one ROK K-POP fag boy conscripts would get their shit kicked by those pyschos

>>34691990
China is technically possible to obliterate and then curb most of their 2nd strike with our current inventory, but it's not a sure thing.

Russia will kill the US as we know it with their second strike capabilities

>>34691990
Very wishful thinking. Realistically I don't see Russia sticking their neck out for the Norks, the ties aren't that strong. Only real threat would be if China steps in. That presents another question: Would China step in to help the Norks, or would they invade in a surprise attack and replace Kim with their own man and make NK a puppet state? Its slightly outlandish but they do like having that buffer zone, and a Pyongyang that answers directly to Beijing would be a lot easier to control than the Kims.

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>>34691994
... You've never met any ROK soldiers who've served on the DMZ have you?

>>34690748
>icbms are literally falling next to jap cities
>do nothing

are we waiting for a direct hit to happen?

>>34691994
The DMZ is heavily mined and roadways are primed with traps, that does not mean the rest of Korea is.

>K-POP fag boy conscripts
Fuck off faggot, they are great soliders.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axe_murder_incident

>>34692000
China won't risk war with the US over North Korea, and buffer states are not relevant in the modern world at all, from any point of view.

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>>34691994
That's all standard to slow down the KPA as they advance. If you knew the routes of attack that an invader would use, would you not prepare them just in case?
>one on one ROK hardasses would kick the shit out of the Norks
ftfy

>>34692017
Wouldn't risk war with us no, however the scenario where they pre-emptively attack the Norks to install their own guy is also an option. The Norks probably wouldn't see it coming and China would play themselves off as the good guys while discretely taking over.

>>34692000
neither china nor russia would fight for norks, especially with usa, but they would certainly hate any idea about nuking the north korea or even having a large scale invasion there because it's literally on their borders. what would you think about say china nuking mexico if mexico was a "rogue state" threatening china?

>>34692000

Russia wouldn't do shit, they know they've lost the Nuclear exchange game. Their subs are in shit shape, their airforce couldn't get close even if it wanted to, and their ground based missiles are all accounted for. Russia threw a fucking fit when we started the small fuze upgrades. And now that our boomers all carry them, it's ogre. MAD is dead. China might want to take that gamble because they've got forward momentum that Russia doesn't, but I think if we fire a nuke from right off the Korean peninsula that they'll quickly figure out it isn't worth it. All it really takes is a demonstration by proxy of evaporating a city belonging to the Norks. Even the dullest blade in China's military would be able to figure out what would happen if we did that to the Three Gorges Dam.

>>34692022
I don't see China being that bold, nor getting away with massing an invasion force on the NK/Chinese border. China is well aware that their ground forces are, by in large, completely untested at all. If shit goes south for them, it could have serious implications for the current party in power. This theory has been bandied about the internet for awhile, but I don't put much stock in it at all.

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>>34692019
>>34692012
>>34692003
>JUST

It will be Ukraine 2.0

Once the war heats up, the provinces nearest China will revolt and want to be integrated to China.And China will support only these provinces.

>>34692042
What am I supposed to be seeing? Looks like a bunch of boots. All boots look the fucking same, you dolt.

>>34692035

This. If China were to hit significant loses, it'd ruin their international claim as a power. Forget about the domestic political ramifications.

>>34692042
those two boys with glasses are pretty

>>34691998
>>34692000
I know it hasn't been feasible for over half a century, but a man can dream. MAD exists for a reason.
As far as China's response to NK goes, I would bet that in the event of imminent invasion by the US/SK, China would step in to defuse the situation and offer to "assist" in dismantling the NK government with its military. The consequences of China actually supporting NK against the West would be far too severe for them. Even if they managed to halt a US/SK invasion, the world would be on the verge of WW3 and China would have literally no support from any other country. The US would bring out its nuclear weapons in storage and shift most of its targeting to China. And for what? North Korea only purpose to China is to act as a buffer, so if the US is going to invade they'll push all the way to the Yalu. Makes more sense for China to attempt a Berlin type division of Pyongyang with a shared military administration of the country. At least that way they could retain some influence in the region instead of a massive loss of face in the eyes of every other Asian country.

>>34692046
>revolt
Revolt is prevented by NK having complete control over its populations movement. There is no communication beyond your neighbors, and what you hear in the propaganda broadcasts

>>34692046
The Korean Federation of the Democratic Chinese Republic of National Socialists.

>>34691762
Russian military doctrine treats the spread of nuclear weapons to its borders as same level of threat as NATO spread. They attacked Georgia and Ukraine militarily in order to prevent this but support the Norks. It's obvious that Best Korea is their Proxy to take out USA but By all means keep on praising Putin and think Trump is cool in cheering for Russians.

Putlin even gave the blueprints for the Nork missiles.

>>34692054
>KFDCRNS

thats a cool country name

now the ammericun piggu will pay for what he did to best corea

prepare for your demise american piggu we nuclear rockets now

>>34692053
And the only ones who have the media to tell the world is the Chinese. Chinese 'journalists' can show whatever they want since there's no one to say other wise. China can send some humanitarian troops there and go 'little green men' on their ass.

>>34691806
Also the Nazi regime drove out jewish scientists, which further helped delay the German project.

>>34692052
Nah, I think a far smarter move by China will to be let the invasion play out, act as an anvil for the invading forces, then cozy up to the new unified Korea with economic assistance. It's the long game but the most logical.

Buffer states are entirely pointless in the modern era. NK is not preventing the US from doing anything in China, at any level.

>>34692012
>roadways are primed with traps
i thought Trump just banned those

>>34692067
And NK will stand by as this happens? What happens when they lob a nuke at China for taking clay?

The only reason why Russia pulled off that shit on the Ukraine is because the Ukraine is a reasonable state actor.

>>34692057
one day iran launches a sattelite mission the next noko launches a real 10,000km icbm. 4 star general takes up chief of staff position on the same day. shit is getting real. count the days anons

>>34692075
Fuck off Carlos.

>>34692079
Oh, I think NK is fucked. US making shakeups, talking about bring the perry's out of mothball status.

US seems to be quietly getting the rape ball rolling.

>>34692069
That's a really good point. How do you think the US/allies would respond to China trying to economically influence NK after an invasion/occupation? China's been helping them for years so it makes sense that culturally, NK would be way more receptive to Chinese assistance than any Western economic plans.

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japan abolishes article 9 of their constitution invades manchuria and korea again when? make japan great again

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>>34692075

>>34692089
Wut. NK would cease to exist, SK government would be in the driver's seat. China would try to influence them

>>34692003
>pepsi PMC after successful raid on rival soda company

>>34692077
>>34692077
Why fire it at China when South Korea is also taking clay?

>>34690748
i live in tokyo and theres alot of loud bangs

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>>34691693
i think the ground work is being laid for the land of the rising sun to be great again

time to roll out the mechs

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>>34692003
>ROK soldiers
I've known one who ended up here for various reasons, he was a legit mad cunt.

>>34692110
The scenario is China being bold and taking NK before the US moves.

A singular nuke has near zero chance to get at SK due to the SK and the US having a multilayer credible BM defense.

China does not.

>>34692100
Right, the DPRK as we know it wouldn't exist anymore, but in every occupation the occupying power has to let puppets run the local show to keep things in check. It's not like an occupying military can keep control of 25 million people without some "appointed" interim government officials helping. SK culture is too different than NK culture after 65 years for SK officials to have any real influence on the population. Without former NK people helping to run the show, you'd have 25 million stateless refugees, some of whom would probably commit mass sudoku while many others would fight a guerilla war, just like the Japanese were planning to do at the end of WW2.

>>34692120
You are overestimating the average NK civilians commitment to cause.

When you have to blackmail your boarder guards by holding their family's hostage (if you run they go to the labor camps), and when civvies are telling National Geographic the truth, it does not paint a positive picture.

China trying to influence local leaders is pointless if the SK government, who will be in charge, tells them to fuck off.

>>34692127
>When you have to blackmail your boarder guards by holding their family's hostage (if you run they go to the labor camps)

dunno... chinks (and russians too) often simply give back those refugees to norks and i doubt it's easy to deflect to the south korea (tumangan river on the chinese border is barely guarded)

>>34692132
>and i doubt it's easy to deflect to the south korea

Well anon, it's quite easy.

Run across the DMZ. Done. Hope your family enjoys a lifetime of hard labor.

A) the easiest and only real way to intercept a ballistic missile is to blast it during it's initial boost
B) we claim we can destroy nork missiles
C) yet we have yet to actually destroy one of the nork missiles which have come close too japan

hmm, really makes me think that the thaad and us strategic defense network is bullshit

>>34692140
THAAD is for terminal, brainlet. You don't shoot down BMs that will fall into the ocean because it causes a debris field, brainlet.

This is a no dumb zone. No dumb here.

>>34691792
>>34692115
Abe progress to revising Article 9 actually very slow. Also abe already set up deadline to revising article 9 by 2020. So i hope North gook keep doing their ICBM program so Pacifists Faction in japan can shut up with their "Muh WWII guilty" and Abe can make Nippon become Dai-Nippon.

>>34692145
>defcon 1: deflect apply, ad hominem, don't let the goyim know
a) nothing is going to catch a terminal phase ballistic missile going mach 20+
b) there is no telling if a ballistic missile we weren't warned about might suddenly release
c) indeed doing this at such a shallow trajectory would be the perfect method for striking japan

try again DoDingus. the pentagon are shitting their adult diapers over this for sure.

>>34692157
>THAAD is designed to engage IRBMs, and is technically capable of ICBMs but outside of design goals. It is being deployed to SK in response as we speak.
>ballistic missiles have ballistic trajectories
>shallow trajextoey
>mach 20

Brainlet tried, brainlet failed.

>>34692217
>THAAD is designed as a smoke screen to alieviate concerns about growing nuclear weapons threats
>ballistic missiles can and did just 2 days ago launch within the troposphere which is shallow
>~7km/sec is mach 20 and the terminal speed of a reentry vehicle which is too fast to fire counter measures at

good luck in denile watch out for the crocs

>>34692057
You have a skewed and inaccurate view of the world cock sucker.

>>34692242
>THAAD is a conspiracy
>implying I said they could not do a DT shot.
>implying mach 20 on a DT shot
Brainlet tries to be hardcore but his IQ won't let him.

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Why the fuck did everybody just allow it to happen? Everyone knew this day was coming and they were going to get ICBM nukes. Instead of nipping the problem in the bud, the US, SK and Japan just sat on their asses until the norks can actually nuke them for real now

>>34691817
>implying einstein and many other scientists didn't defect to the allies

>>34692300
Hope springs eternal.

amerisharts btfo

>>34692306
>implying einstein had anything to do with the atomic weapons program
>implying einstein's life work the theory of relativity isn't another jewish hoax
>implying einstein wasn't the pinnacle representative of the jewish takeover of the weimar republic

>>34692300
Because millions would die.

How long till the nork miniaturized their shit tier nuke?

>>34692330
Many more millions would die if you fight a DPRK armed with nukes than without. Are you for real, buddy

>>34690748
We have THAAD and DDGs with Aegis deployed in Japan.

We can shoot missile down immediately after takeoff, why should we care?

>>34692343
kind of hard to isolate north korea enough from russia and china
not so easy to launch a preemptive air campaign on noko without
russia and china causing some kind of major retaliatory action that
ensures millions of american deaths

for instance 100,000s of spics get through our border every year. how unreasonable do you think it is that all of our (and the rest of the worlds) cities aren't laced with nuclear devices?

>>34692023

>what would you think about say china nuking mexico if mexico was a "rogue state" threatening china?

Uh, fucking go for it? Just make sure you get 'em all...

>>34692300
another thing they can blame russia for
this is somehow very important for american politics and the more reasons they have to blame russia the better

>>34692106

Fucking lol

>>34692371
This isn't the 1950s anymore. China is growing sick of them as the instability they cause is bad for business. I doubt Russia is ready to start a total war with NATO over a poor shithole like the North

>>34692023
I'm fine with Mexico being nuked

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>>34692393
>N.Korea
>Russian Faults

>>34692428
depending on where it hits, so is most of Mexico

>>34692435
it literally exists because russians freed koreans from japs :^)

>>34690748

Boy that has got to be sort of unnerving if you're living in Japan.

some of you guys are alright. dont go to the tokyo olympics

>>34691950

>North Korea has made no bones about, quite verbatim, drowning the US in a sea of nuclear fire.

You're leaving out one important part though. They pretty much always preface or follow their threats with "If the evil imperialist aggressors make any military move against us or try to remove our supreme leader".

They're puffing their chests out because they think that the U.S. wants to bomb their shit.

>>34692017
What would happen to the debt that the US owes China if the US did decide to stomp NK? Could China threaten to crash the dollar to prevent hostilities?

>>34692490
Not how it works

>>34692469
Yes, the issue is they think a soilder farting on the boarder is a move upon their country.

>>34692441
Technically it's Uni Soviet faults. But only until 1948. from 1992 to now N.korea is puppet state of China.

Because only china actually doesn't want Kim Dinasty to fail since it will created huge n.koreans refugee flooded to china also they created a nice buffer zone. to keep the US at bay.

>>34692490
This problem nothing to do with US debt to china.
China, US and S.Korean doesn't want to babysit N.Korea Refugee.

>>34692513
dunno what kind of retarded nork should you be to flee to china when south korea exists

chinks despise norks btw, i visited their border and it was pretty evident in how they were spoken of by the locals

>>34692513
>China, US and S.Korean doesn't want to babysit N.Korea Refugee.

We are at the point now where we might not have a choice.

>>34690748
This shit might get real. I wonder how this will play out. It could get veeeery interesting.

>>34692528
Because propaganda by Kim. They think Chink best friend and allies and angel and other shit that will treated them better and Think USA and South gook Evil, Demon that will rape and kill you on sight.

>>34691738
>USA HACKS nk MISSLES, BAI BAI BEJING

They need to make a forced evacuation of Seoul.

>>34692561
they regularly trade and communicate there, north korea isn't that closed as you may think

>>34691817
Yeah he was, but Einstein is a complete fraud and never discovered anything significant. Relativity was discovered as a concept by Newton, ("Gross bodies and light are convertible into one another...", 1704) the equation was conceptualised by S. Tolver Preston (1875), then refined by Henri Poincaré (1900) and Olinto De Pretto (1904). Einstein never knew how to correctly use E=MC2. Nothing Einstein wrote links him to this equation.

>>34692321
THIS
Most of what Einstein supposedly achieved was in fact from Poincaré. Einstein was a poster boy for physicists in order to get funds and nothing else.

in b4
>oyvey antisemites

>>34692257
>The doctrine points out 11 actions seen as constituting "external dangers" (oпacнocти, opasnosti, dangers) to the Russian Federation which include:
>striving to give NATO forces global functions, moving NATO infrastructure closer to Russia's borders
>spread of weapons of mass destruction, missiles and missile technology, increase in the number of nuclear states
But they won't do anything with North Korea who they share a border with.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/the-secret-to-kims-success-some-experts-see-russian-echoes-in-north-koreas-missiles-advances/2017/07/08/5d4f5fca-6364-11e7-a4f7-af34fc1d9d39_story.html?utm_term=.d3258a702e82

>>34690748
230-ish miles never seemed so close. What the hell.

>>34692340
They already have.

>>34692772
Wait really? Those used in the underground tests are good enough to put on their icbm?

>>34692706
>but Einstein is a complete fraud and never discovered anything significant.
This is false.

His contributions to E=MC is overblown, but to call him a fraud takes it way to far.

>>34692711
helping against north korea moves nato bases closer to their borders if norks fall, it opposes the danger of spreading nukes so they logically do nothing because one danger nullify another,it's like in arithmetic :^)

War of Wars
Then we fight literal Demons
We are Lost without the
FIFTH ELEMENT

>>34692802
So you just help them build nukes? They weren't just sittin on their hands. Gee, I wonder when they will also actively help their other neighbours to acquire nukes. That must be some famous low-IQ Russian arithmetics.

Also, NATO doesn't operate in the Pacific like the name says.

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South Korea was one of the nicest places I ever got to visit.

Good luck ROKbros.

Literally nothing will come out of this

>>34692871
Atleast people in japan will fear of this and support to revised Article 9.

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Other than being a total dick, Kim hasn't done anything to us or our allies so I don't really buy the meme that we should hate him. We've been at war since forever, and the US govt refuses 1-on-1 talks. I can understand a deterrent considering that every non-nuclear nation opposed to the US has been invaded.
On the other hand a happening would be nice.

>>34692871
This.
Am curious as to what the Japanese are going to do though.

It's a shooting star.

>>34692880
>>34692892
They were going to support it anyway, the LDP, who supports the new article 9 and military expansion in general, has dominance over the National Diet and has been gaining more seats in both houses for a while now.

>>34692914
Nice, time to released the kaiju.

>>34692300
>US, SK and Japan just sat on their asses until the norks can actually nuke them for real now
and then what, wait for a flood of brainwashed nork refugees?

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>>34692972
I'm personally waiting for some macross missiles

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>>34691817
So Jews are Germans when you like them but Semites when you hate them?

>>34691863
The south has literally been preparing and planning for something like that for 50 fucking years. I think Best Korea would get its shit pushed in

>>34691811
Wasn't China also a pretty big deterrent in that phase as well?

>>34692242
>7km/s
>7000 metres every second

Do you know what happens when an object travelling at seven-fucking-thousand metres per second comes into contact with earth's atmosphere? I'm not even sure we have models capable of predicting how fast that shit would burn up.

>>34692706
>Relativity was a concept discovered by Newton
>e=mc^2

Are you fucking stupid? Relativity describes time dilation relative to velocity and frame of reference, e=mc^2 is the equation for the ratio of energy to mass in a particle, the two have nothing to do with each other and neither of them is even what Einstein earned his Nobel prize for.

Stop talking shit about a man smarter than the combined intellect of you and your entire extended family. You and your conspiracies are fucking nothing compared to Einstein's body of work.

>>34691863
>They wouldn't have the stomach
Well, too bad that the Norks don't have anything to put INTO their stomach when they kick off war. Did you forget that this corrupt as fuck hellish dictatorship regime only survives because it gets delvieries of food from aid organizations outside of their borders?
They'd starve to death in a few months.

>>34693177
They will already dying from cold if china still embargo their coal.

>>34692990
That doesn't look like an Itani Circus.

>>34693202
North Korea is the country that supplies coal to China, not the other way around.

>>34691806
Nazi Germany never delivered a nuclear payload.

Nazi Germany also got utterly btfo, their leader ate a bullet, and after the war the Jews committed to absolutely demolishing postwar Germany, a process that continues to this day.

>>34693242
You right. sorry.

Time for me to sleep.

>>34690748
Do I need to worry?

>>34692990
Those missles are a bitch to dodge when fighting Pasternak

>>34692106
Maybe the Pepsi navy will be revived again.

No seriously it existed, look it up.

>>34692885

He is a danger because rogue elements could approach him for access to his raw material. SA literally destroyed their program because they didn't want the blacks to have access to the fissile material. The Nork leadership is known to whore themselves out to anyone for anything. You think Kim gives a shit about what happens to America so long as he gets his NEET bux, women, and booze?

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>>34693127
the speed that a rocket should acieve to reach the orbit is about 7.9 km/s, mbr are closely resembling space rockets (btw norks claimed they did a satellite launch). there was a reason why the soviet russia eanted a rocket asap. iirc; have read a book where stephen king told about his life and how he experienced the true horror when he as a teenage boy was informed that russians launched a satellite and aren't helpless any more vs "the pioneer spirit" as he put it, because even teenage boys knew a lot about mbr back then... apparently

>>34693332

It existed for a few weeks before the useless ships were sold for scrap as per the agreement with the Russians.

Japan is a paranuclear state with their own space program.They could have nuclear warheads on ballistic missiles capable of hitting anyone they need to hit, with in 6 months to a year.

oh i think burgers call mbr icbm but i got used to that abbreviation/

i guess the meaning was clear anyway

>>34693413
Russia's official data is going by first stage performance alone. I suspect the second stage performance is being omitted for political reasons.

>>34693127
dunno mate, the space shuttle begins re-entry at 8200 meters per second and seemed to do just fine most of the time so yea i guess we have models capable of predicting shit like that

>>34692023
If Mexico was being that much of a dangerous, cunty and psychotic entity I'd be ok with it.

t. Mexican-American

>>34691811
Now it's just a race to develop flawless missile defense.

>>34693374
>he thinks they don't already have them

>>34691806
Wow ur so contrarian and cool anon.
Who fucking built the first nuke?
Who detonated the first nuke?
Jesus Christ why do I come to this site anymore

>>34692134
>Run across the heavily mined and patrolled DMZ.
There, fixed it for you.
My theory is that the border defenses are more aimed at keeping people in then to defeat invaders.

Reminder, everyone who matters actually wants an armed and dangerous NK.

USA wants to keep the troops right next to China.
Russia wants it around to force the USA to keep assets there far away from Europe.
China uses it to cockblock the US troops.
Japan points at NK to be allowed to go Nippon Banzai!!! again.

>>34691738
>The United States has hailed as a success its latest test of an intercontinental ballistic missile describing it as a "stern warning" for North Korea.
>United States President Trump said the test proved that every major North Korean industrial and military center is within range of US missiles and that the fact that they are now all radioactive craters is an unfortunate fact, media reported.

Honestly they should just remove the warheads from some old as shit soon to be retired missiles and start sending them over there, once ballistic missiles start falling like lawn darts on every major NK city they might have a change of thought.

If the navy gave me 20 Asian-American frogmen I could unify the Koreas in under a month. The south would be completely unprepared for an American\-led coup.

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>>34692885
Because Korea must reunite...

>>34692885
North Korea has successfully deterred action against itself with conventional threats alone. South Korea is the only thing keeping the US in the peninsula. Nuclear weapons don't make sense as an investment without the expectation of getting something new out of having them.

>>34692371
do you honestly think North Korea or other enemies have gotten illegal Mexicans to smuggle in nukes to major cities?

>>34694038
As far as I can tell the desire is to detach US from SK and Japan. Basically they could, say, march into Seoul and declare
>if America tries to aid worst Korea, New York explodes
The end goal is to frighten America out of being involved in the Second Korean War.

>>34691863
t. knows nothing of the korean war.

>>34694038
maybe they fear china. and don't discount paranoia; israel for example had plenty of conventional deterrent, yet felt the need to become a nuclear triad state.

>>34694121
They never needed an ICBM to nuke China. There isn't a single corner of that nation that's out of range at 6500 kilometers.

>>34694104
This guy gets it.

>>34692117
I remember reading about some ROK special forces that train all their service for the chance to go on a suicide mission behind enemy lines to disrupt enemy logistics and/or kill political targets.
They don't seem to take it very well when their service is over and the suicide rate is high.
They also seem to have a thing for wearing claymore mines like they were ERA plates, just in case they really do need to kill every fucker in the room including themselves.

Then there was that one SF unit that mutinied when their mission to kill NK leadership was scraped and went on a collective suicide mission in the South instead.

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>>34692531
There is always the "make the problem go away" choice.

>>34694206
That's literally the only choice we have. We can't mount a conventional strike that doesn't involve an unacceptable expenditure of capital and an unacceptable number of allied casualties.

>>34694294
they'd have to nuke us first for the population to support it

>>34694313
Of the people I've talked to, most people think nuking North Korea is less evil than letting North Korea have nukes.

>>34694038

You're dumb.

The North Korean regime sees nuclear weapons as a defense against existential threats.

If you use the analogy of a card game, North Korea has been sitting on the 10 of clubs (artillery pointed at Seoul and Inchon), Jack of clubs (Chinese aid), Queen of Clubs (US distance and disinterest in another war), and King of clubs (50 years of digging bunkers). All they're waiting on is to get that Ace card and then they have enough leverage to basically get away with fucking murder.

Being able to deliver a nuclear weapon to the United States is the definition of Deterrent.

>>34694379
>Being able to deliver a nuclear weapon to the United States is the definition of Deterrent.
Being able to nuke every square feet of North Korea ten times over is the definition of deterrent.
Still the rabid dog doesn't care because it is too insane to understand.

>>34694379
>The North Korean regime sees nuclear weapons as a defense against existential threats.

This theory requires their conventional threat to be inadequate. All evidence says that their ability to bombard Seoul has been more than sufficient for decades.

>Being able to deliver a nuclear weapon to the United States is the definition of Deterrent.

A deterrent they don't need unless they want the leverage to do something that they can't do without the threat of nuclear force.

>>34690748
Nuclear Japan and Nuclear Worst Korea when? They can't rely on our cuck of a POTUS to do anything right.

>>34694409

>being this dumb

Everyone knows the US has deterrent already.

Best Korea wants it too. Korea doesn't really give a shit if you nuke everything they own. But the US cares a lot about a single Nuke in one major city.

>>34694417
True, but like any shitpot dictator, the always want MORE. Conventional deterrent is good to a point, but Nuclear deterrent is the best there is. Why settle for a half-measure when you can get the big gun?

>A deterrent they don't need unless they want the leverage to do something that they can't do without the threat of nuclear force.

Well, yeah. Having more to bargain with means they can ask for more. Congratulations on figuring out how leverage works.

>>34694417
You don't need to have an inadequate defense to seek nukes, dude. The point is they improve their deterrence by leaps and bounds. If thousands of artillery kept the americans at bay, well a bunch of nukes pointed at Washington does that even better

>>34694438
What are you trying to argue about, exactly? All signs say we've been in agreement about what they want and intend to get out of possessing nuclear weapons.

>>34694460
>You don't need to have an inadequate defense to seek nukes, dude. The point is they improve their deterrence by leaps and bounds. If thousands of artillery kept the americans at bay, well a bunch of nukes pointed at Washington does that even better

At the cost of making themselves a pariah in the international community. It'll do that bit "better" so long as Washington decides that the solution to being threatened by a small scale nuclear power is to nuke them off the face of the Earth.

North Korea has bet everything on this gamble. They're probably playing to finish the Korean war and win. If that's the case, the best move for the US is probably a preemptive thermonuclear strike to destroy every surface facility and industrial center in the country, with a few weeks of overwatch by jet fighters to destroy everything that moves for a few weeks until the radiation cools off enough to send in the ground forces for bunker mop-up operations.

>>34694481

Are you implying that North Korea is not already a Pariah in the international community?

>>34694496
Of course not. What I'm saying is North Korea's pursuit of Nuclear Weapons and Ballistic Missiles have made them a pariah, with no real shot at international reconciliation.

>>34694503

I don't think that, in the history of the nation, that has ever been on their agenda. Kind of hard to move towards reconciliation when your entire power base is built around lying to your entire population.

North Korea's history is one of leverage, not one of any sort of globalized integration.

>>34694518
You're not wrong. It's successfully prevented the international community from exercising political pressure to force them to change course, to great success. At this point, if we want North Korea to change, our only option is physical force. Their conventional deterrent has been enough to prevent us from acting against them, but the acquisition of nuclear weapons directly translates to intent to use force to get more for itself. We should not abide this.

>>34694503
On top of repeatedly lying and violating their agreements and then throwing tantrums whenever they get called out on their shit.

>>34694538

In my estimation, we've reached a crossroads with them.

The last 2-3 presidents have focused on just maintaining the status quo because all the other options were untenable, but NK is basically giving the US no choice.

Nuclear ICBM capability is a non-starter for the US. Korea refuses to stop. The US will not allow it. Sanctions have ceased effectiveness.

It doesn't even matter what anyone else WANTS at this point. The only viable option is to stop Korea by force, it's just a matter of how we go about doing it.

>>34694481
The Norks have said time and again that the nukes were a warning to americans trying to invade. Only a retard would interpret that as "It's go time! Let's go do that very same thing they said would prompt a nuclear response!"

Also both Russia and China want to keep the regime as is for their own interests. Launching a preemptive strike like this at their doorstep, you'd be foolish to expect to go smooth as butter and not get any retaliation from them. Who would risk a nuclear war with Russia over an impoverished shithole like North Korea?

>>34694567
>It doesn't even matter what anyone else WANTS at this point. The only viable option is to stop Korea by force, it's just a matter of how we go about doing it.

The logistics of stopping North Korea without incurring an unacceptable number of allied casualties through conventional forces alone is intractable.

>>34694587

Nuclear Strike Capability on US soil in North Korean hands is ALSO intractable.

>>34694583
Russia and China would risk a nuclear war with the United States over an impoverished shithole like North Korea that's threatening to nuke both us and our allies?

>>34694593
>Nuclear Strike Capability on US soil in North Korean hands is ALSO intractable.

Only to the extent that they can organize a nuclear retaliation after they've noticed that we're nuking them.

>>34694605
>Russia and China would risk a nuclear war
Buddy, if you're the one launching the nuke first, then it isn't them who are risking it.

>>34694628
You're half way right and half way wrong. The US is not a signatory to a no-first-strike policy, and North Korea has repeatedly refused offers to put itself under China's (and Russia's) nuclear security umbrella. North Korea, China, and Russia are not allies in any conventional sense except in having a mutual interest in jockeying for position against the United States of America.

>>34694605

Alright, you seem to be operating under a misconception here. North Korea is playing a zero sum game. They are in full on Win or Die status.

However, the US is not. Nuking North Korea is a non-starter for a multitude of reasons, geo-politics chief among them.

Dropping nukes right off the Chinese border is a non-starter.

Over-compensatory aggression against North Korea is a non-starter.

North Korea does not give a flying fuck about what the rest of the world thinks or does. The United States does, and is restricted. In the case of both countries, nukes will probably never be used. I doubt the US would use them even if we had a full-scale land war in the peninsula, unless China got involved, and even that is iffy.

North Korea is also unlikely to use them, and simply wants them as a "fuck you" card. Basically, as a message to the US that "just because you're way over there doesn't mean we can't hurt you". The idea is to make even a conventional conflict untenable because even as North Korea dies they're going to destroy US cities.

As of right now, North Korea can only really threaten South Korea, maybe Japan, and some US soldiers lives. They're trying to enhance that deterrence capability to the point that they can harm the US mainland.

The United States will never "glass" North Korea. They will never Nuke North Korea in anything short of a full blown World War.

>>34690748
The only way we can stop North Korea now is to arm South Korea and Japan with nukes.

China thought that making North Korea their wild card would pay off. Not at all. Arming South Korea and Japan with nukes basically closes off any Chinese advantage in the East China Sea and further hedges against a potential US retreat. Even if we do have to retreat from Asia, which is unlikely, we'd have Japan, South Korea, and India all as nuclear armed states operating against Chinese influence. We should perhaps even arm Australia and Singapore with them to protect the South China Sea.

>>34694654
And you seem to be missing the point; North Korea is actually trying to win something, and they intend to threaten the United States with a nuclear strike to do it.

>>34694663
Arm Taiwan too.

Fuck China, they're the ones who have allowed this to go on for so long. Build a nuclear umbrella around their sphere of influence and see if they like having nukes that can reach their territory.

>>34694669

Right, but you keep comparing US and North Korean Military/Nuclear capabilities as though they exist in a vacuum, as though they're stupid for wanting nukes.

It's basically their best option and they'd be stupid NOT to go for it, I'm just not sure what the world is going to do about it.

>>34694676
>Arm Taiwan too
That sounds like an excellent way to start a total war with another nuclear state

>>34693838
I wouldn't be surprised that the LDP doesn't have some american made bombs hidden somewhere. Making them on the other hand would be harder. the would have to test fire a few bombs. which is easy to detect. though maybe less so in japan. since the country already has so many earthquakes constantly.

>>34694676

>Arm China

There's throwing rocks at a beehive, and then there's pissing all over a hornets nest and sticking your dick in the hole.

>>34694687
>It's basically their best option and they'd be stupid NOT to go for it, I'm just not sure what the world is going to do about it.

What I'm trying to argue is that we need to force the pursuit of nuclear weapons to be a bad option, and North Korea has done an excellent job of making that extremely difficult. North Korea's pursuit of nuclear weapons is stupid for a domestic security standpoint, because they didn't need to win or die until they decided that all other nations are allies of convenience at best and presumed long term enemies over time. This is a stupid standpoint to take unless you presume that your actions are meant to win that war. If that's the case, we need to presume that North Korea is on a war footing.

>>34694718

>We need to presume North Korea is on a war footing

You mean like they have been since the Armistice? They have been a nation mobilized for total war since 1950.

>>34694718
Also, you need to stop thinking of North Korea as a nation with stated interests and geo-political goals, and start thinking of them as a regime with personal interests and a need to maintain power.

>>34694741
>You mean like they have been since the Armistice? They have been a nation mobilized for total war since 1950.

Yes, and we've never taken them seriously. It's clear now that this was a grave error.

>>34694754
>Also, you need to stop thinking of North Korea as a nation with stated interests and geo-political goals, and start thinking of them as a regime with personal interests and a need to maintain power.

I'll defer to this New York Times article for the moment. North Korea seems to be very honest about both its geo-political goals and stated interests.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/29/world/asia/north-korea-nuclear-missile.html

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>>34691811
>Hold the region hostage
>Parts of the US
>North Korea

>>34694767

Yes I understand that they HAVE stated goals, but everything, EVERYTHING that happens in North Korea is an extension of the regime and an extension the Kim family.

Everything is about maintaining power, shoring up external threats to their power, maintaining ability to lie to their populace, and hold together a country constantly on the brink of collapse.

Everything they do is an extension of that. Nationalism does not exist in North Korea.

>>34694883
At the same time, everything they do is apparently aimed at /actually winning/ The Korean War. Whether that's for Legitimacy, for Power, or however you want to interpret it, that is their stated goal, and we need to take their efforts to pursue it seriously.

honestly fuck japan and worst korea. they bitch all day about wanting the US out and no missile defenses in place and I say let's just tell them to fuck off and get nuked. worst korea would get steam-rolled without us, and Japan would fall even more quickly.

Why does the US need to be the world's police?

>>34694949
When every nation on Earth has similar power to act, they gain flexibility with how they conduct international relations, and few things are more true than Might Makes Right.

>>34694977
>>34694949

Getting pissed off at America/Wanting them to leave is the geopolitical version of "Everybody wants to be gangster until it's time to do gangster shit"

>>34690748
>a killing bolt will shine in the night but not kill

>>34692990
wat gem is dis

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>>34695063
Ace Combat 6

>>34694949
the kickbacks anon, it's all about the kickbacks

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>>34695031

>>34695081
they're completely ignoring physics, stress thresholds, and the tolerances of the human body there
looks fun though

>>34693880
Not that anon, but don't be so superficial.

If you're around Oppenheimer and assuming the footage in OP is a North Korean reentry vehicle, how close are we to the Big Red Launch Button?

>>34691828
The big difference is that the Germans didn't take nuclear weapons seriously at all, and would rather devote stupid amounts of resources to propaganda weapons like the V2 and dumb bullshit like the Bismarck, Tirpitz, and Tiger tanks.

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>>34694162

>form a black ops unit of criminals to kill Kimmy Sr.
>cancel their mission and practically keep them imprisioned on an island
>your black bag suicide operators rise up and rebel after pretty much being left with no choice

not the best way of handling the situation tbbh

I'm surpised more penal units in history haven't fragged their officers and mutinied

>>34692117
ROK soilder commited more genocide in the Vietnamwar than the US

>tfw all missiles fired so far land in the EEZ so no new Asian parking lot

Realistically what % of manpower will the Sorks be able to mobilize?

30-40% max? Norks may be shit on tech but they will out number their southern cousins by several factors

>>34692300
Blame the US military-industrial complex. They want this to happen

>>34692300
>>34699674

No, blame American politics. With the short cycle of 4 year elections, it's not in the vested interest of any president to do anything that has a long term gain at short term costs.

Stopping the Nork Nuke would have had a high short term cost, so it's much easier to "manage the situation" and do basically nothing and then just kick the can to the next guy.

>>34699746
This is a good analysis of the North Korean problem, attacking North Korea and exposing America to potentially Vietnam era or higher casualties would be a political death sentence for the president and his party

Japanese deserve it for being cucks and allowing the goverment to disarm them.

>>34692127
>You are overestimating the average NK civilians commitment to cause.

It's not that they're committed, it's that they literally don't know any better. So many norks actually believe that the USA / SK are literally out to destroy them, because they've been raised with this backwards, insane communist propaganda. Check out some of the documentaries about norks escaping to SK, it takes them years to fully integrate, if they manage at all.

Brainwashing is fucking powerful.

War when?

I wish I wasnt a fucking pog

>>34691963
>>34691882
these are some pretty cool pictures desu

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>>34690748
>Best Korea vaporizes Seoul
>Millions dead, thousands of Americans as well
>One of the last socialist utopias is now public enemy #1
>Trump whips up the public into a nationalistic fervor, meets the families of the deceased Americans to garner sympathy
>Blames socialism as the cause
>Bernie and liberal media tries to spin this as Trump's fault
>public outrage tarnishes all their reputations
>Dems quickly side with Republicans to save their careers
>Nork helical AK mags are shipped back by the US-led coalition troops.
>tfw I'm visiting family in Republican red California, showing off my 100rd AK mag dump

I can dream, god damnit!

>>34700729
Best case scenario

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>>34691738
>nodong

>>34700321
Candid documentarys disagree

>>34700952
It's impossible to know for sure. "Candid documentaries" can be worked with a controlled narrative just as much as a state propaganda apparatus.

>>34700968
I belive nat geo over best Korea.

>>34700992
Touche.

>>34700231
Actually it's the goverment that want to arm them. The goverment even trying to revised article 9 so JSDF can become actual army.

>>34692528
everybody in the east hates all koreans. chinese, japanese, thai, hmong, laotian, phillipino, etc. it all goes back to the finno-korean hyper war

>>34691738
>altitude
>2300 miles
>miles
>altitude

Doubt

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>>34690748
Why does North Korea want to get invaded so much. I feel like this is all just to flex their muscles but when an actual war breaks out they will call for peace.

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>>34701298
Why doubt when you can easily do the math for yourself? Or is Newtonian gravity as a working model for first order approximations a Jewish conspiracy? Maybe I myself am JIDF?

>>34691693
I believe they can if they were attacked first, but I don't know if that's part of the new revisions. What I can confirm is that if any of their allies were assualted, they can join in as a part of collective defense

>>34700729
Dont touch my K-pop stars you faggot.

>>34692300
>US destroys NK
>Korea is united
>Japan and Korea have nothing to worry about now
>No need for the US and their weapons
>US loses Allies + good arms market

you see the thing now?

The documentary - Unacknowledged already said we are suppose to fight a fanatic dictatorship... I'm waiting for the alien invasion they are planning. It's a fantastic documentary.

>>34703766
>>Japan and Korea have nothing to worry about now
>>No need for the US and their weapons
What are China and Russia
>>US loses Allies + good arms market
So countries are only allies when one can't defend itself?
And Korea and Japan won't need arms?

nigga u dumb

>>34700668
Don't worry, in an artillery war you'll get shot at plenty. You just wont have anyone to shoot back at you rear-echelon buttnugget.

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