French Army issue 416 to regular Army

>>34689495
If I was going to join the FFL I would want to use the bugle. Not another AR clone.

>>34689530
Whys that?

>>34689571
I am left handed and it is one of the few bullpups that is 100% ambi, all the time. Also being a Burger French engineering is under appreciated here. Finally the way the FAMAS works is interesting.

Also I am aware the Steyr AUG has the capability to be left handed but requires a new lefty bolt from the armory/me to buy it in the civilian world. Also the civilian AUGs are only available in a left configuration in the "AUG mag" stock configuration and not the "NATO stock config."

>>34689495
Its kinda sad they're ditching their own designs for some generic blob from hk but I guess it's a step up from their old f1s.

>>34689495
can you attach a white flag to that bayonet lug?

>>34691753
xD

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>>34689495
MFW we will never get to buy surplus famas in teh U.S

>>34691802
Has the famas ever been on the civil marked at all?

>>34691819
Nope.

The problem is that French are retarded nowadays with lefties infiltrating their military administration so while in the past ideas like "let's make FAMAS semi-auto, cut it to pieces and get an importer in the US to buy them all from us" just won't pass nowadays.

>>34691822
>administration so while in the past ideas like "let's make FAMAS semi-auto, cut it to pieces and get an importer in the US to buy them all from us" would do, today they just won't pass.*

fix'd, sorry brainfart.

>>34691822
>>34691819
Actually they were very briefly imported by century and there are a handful in the U.S but they are not the a1 model and are semi auto instead of proper full retard.

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>>34691753
kys

>>34691852
they look very eager to surrender, the forward guy can hurt the enemy soldier offering him his file

>>34690326
>I am left handed and it is one of the few bullpups that is 100% ambi, all the time.

Nope. Changing ejection side in FAMAS requires swapping ejection port cover and extractor from the bolt to other side.

>>34689495
Dude AR15s lmao
Cant wait for everyone else to also use AR15s and multicam like amerigoys

>>34691753
Fuck off

>>34691862
yeah but to be fair that takes like 2 minutes with no extra parts needed

>>34691872
>>34689495
One of the main pitches for the G36 replacement for the Germans is also an AR-15 derivative, so you're not far off.

I don't see a problem with all of NATO using a common platform though. Let the Bongs be the weird ones.

>>34691872
AR platform is literally the best

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>>34689495
whats wrong with FAMAS?

>>34694171
little Frankie is all grown up now. He's a muhreen and everything

>>34694171
>give me a clip so I can do some damage
that takes me back

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>>34694175
He probably got out from Marines by now.

He's a battle hardened killing machine now.

>>34691819
hopefully parts kits soon

>>34689530
How can something be an AR clone if it uses an entirely different operating system?

>>34694192
That's actually probably true, unless he reupped.

Shit I'm pretty sure I have his boot picture somewhere

>>34691819
>>34691822
>>34694195
Very shortly as the MAS223. About 100 ever made it to the US

I'd say that we'll never see parts kits, there were never any semi variants made and the necessary tooling would cost more than the US market could support.

>>34694223
>the necessary tooling would cost more than the US market could support.
What makes you say that?

>>34694238
How many people in the US do you think would actually buy a FAMAS? Probably not a lot, so it doesn't make sense to demill parts kits and retool here just so a few people who want them will buy them.

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>>34694223
He used to have a facebook profile where he had pictures of him as PFC in some aviation unit or something?

>>34694261
Yep, that sounds about right. That must've been close the three years ago maybe.

>>34694205
It's like the bastard child of an AR-15 and AR-18

>>34694238
>>34694257
I've heard the FAMAS chews up brass, which would turn alot of people off from it most likely.

>>34694365
It doesn't, but when all your receivers are worn up and used extensively, there will be problems. Also there were also dimension issues with one of their imported 5.56 ammo, specifically the F3. Steel case was issued as a means of being cheap and reducing cost.

>>34694238
The tooling doesn't exists anymore, as a matter of fact, they most likely destroyed it

>>34694365
Its fluted chamber does damage the casing, just like a G3 or any HK roller delayed blowback gun would. Does it prevent people from buying those guns?

>>34694485
G3 brass is saved by a port buffer or brass deflector though

>>34691822

They've already been giving them to terrorists in Libya. Once they don't need them for the police or their military reserve they probably will find some shitty african country to hand them to.

Anyway about time they got rid of it.

Imagine going to war with a weapon older than with 25 round magazines prone to malfunctions and which requires very specific ammo types to function reliabily and accurately tbw.

HK gun is a big step up.

youtu.be/XvHFjGeqcX0

>>34694257
I've wanted one since forever

>>34694084
>Let the Bongs be the weird ones.
Bongs are getting more and more Diemaco AR15s in their arsenal every year

>>34694365
Just shoot steel and you'll be fine.

>>34694257
I'd buy one.

>>34694458
The FAMAS architecture isn't as complicated to manufacture as you'd think.

>>34694700

The single most complicated thing about the weapon is probably the fiberglass furniture.

>>34689495
bullpup btfo

>>34694599

This. I would absolutely save up to buy one if they began to sell surplus French Army ones in the U.S.

>>34694700
That doesn't mean it would be practical or cost effective to retool from scratch. Anyone who had any connection with the Famas production even as late as 2001, is either dead, otherwise employed or long retired, so Nexter would basically have to reverse engineer it. All for the sake of a relatively archaic chinweld bullpup with zero provision for modularity or compatibility with allied weapon systems.

>>34694991
You are completely missing the point, no one gives a fuck about those things because no one who wants a FAMAS in the U.S wants it because they think it's a good gun. They want it for the same reason they so desperately want a MK23 instead of the practically the same USP45. In other words they want it so they can pretend to be Solid Snake, that's the market. These days setting up tooling is as easy as drafting a new 3D model for a cnc machine, It isn't the 1980s anymore you do not have any need to grab people involved in the original project. You just need to have a friendly enough relationship with your exporter to ask them to take some exact measurements on one of the receivers before they cut all of them so you can make your 3D model. Hell you could even request they do a 3D scan of it to make the model for you and it would be a small one time cost. With modern manufacturing techniques this is very doable.

>>34690326
That's good because the nato mag version sucks dick. Aug mags are vastly better.

>>34694805
This. Shouldn't be too much of a problem to reverse engineer.

>>34695218
>In other words they want it so they can pretend to be Solid Snake, that's the market.

Yeah, and we all know how poorly products sell to tactical wanabees.

>>34694700
>The FAMAS architecture isn't as complicated
I understand that, but I'm talking about the start up and manufacture costs in a market that's oversaturated and dominated by AR15s

>>34696178
If you want a semi-valid comparison, K&M seems to be doing okay with their M17S rifles.

Sure, you'll never got to the price point of a $400 AR, but $1500+ bullpups have a market.

>>34696039
Aside from people saying the trigger sucks on the neato version, why do they suck?

I wanna get a white AUG with aug mag stock for muh spess gun then an OD one in neato stock so I can share mags with all my other boomsticks.

>>34690366
That's the problem. There aren't any "own design" anymore.

>>34690366
>Its kinda sad they're ditching their own designs for some generic blob from hk

I'll consider that you saw Ian's FR-F1 video and know the history of MAS and how it died in a whimper.

It doesn't help that those that had the knowledge are unavailable for various reasons, and honestly, nexter is more interested in working on electronic-based warfare apparatus,or at least what a bunch of theorical engineers see it to be, than try and make any kind of profit.

>>34694532
>Once they don't need them for the police or their military reserve they probably will find some shitty african country to hand them to.

Reminded me of this story:

http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks07/0700341h.html#c401

>>34696195
Are they actually shipping them or is it just vaporware like Desert tec shit?

The M17's been on my list simply because muh speshul snowflake gats.

>>34695218
They will need a Famas G1 then, not F1 nor G2.
The G1 used the proprietary 25 rounds magazine and magwell of the F1 and the barrel and polymer furniture of the G2. It was supposed to be produced by FNH when it was under french control through GIAT. Of course it never was.

>>34689495
France and the FAMAS are like the US and the AR. Both nations have had them for quite some time and spent millions to replace them, only just to decide on keeping them and adding a bunch of mall ninja shit.

>>34693990
This

>>34691872
Whats wrong with that? Multicam looks good and so do ARs.

>>34698802
Because the EU is on an independence kick as far as the US goes so all the kids don't like it when allies use common equipment.

>>34689495
Did Germany decide what they were gonna replace their g36s with yet or did they cancel that program? I wonder if they'll try and adopt the 416 too in order show some weird eurocentric solidarity.

>>34695218
that ain't enough market to make profit off even a cheaply-manufactured firearm. Maybe profitable for zinc cast airsoft.

>>34696217
No bolt release and you have to use AR magazines

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>>34689495

What grenade launcher will the Frogs be using on the 416?

M203? M320?

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>>34689495
is this the most cucked country in the world
need Sniper rifle
buy from Belgium
need service rifle
buy from Germany

Frog fire arm industry is dead

>>34701521
M320 mate, it's a HK contract after all. Germoney wants yuros.
However the 416F has the distinct peculiarity of having a barrel fitted for rifle grenades.

Since the currently in use rifle grenade for the french army, the APAV40, is out of production, and since the french company Nexter bought the belgian company Meccar, which does make rifle grenades, it's strongly possible the next rifle grenade in use within the french army with the HK416 will be of belgian origin.

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>>34689495
French army lost all its charm desu. I've already seen a patrol carrying those, looked ugly af. Surprised me too that they would give those brand new rifles to military patroling stations and cities, when they usually carry shitty old FAMAS that barely work.

That and the G36C slowly replacing the sexy af AC-556 truly is a disgrace.

>>34701563
Blame leftists.

>wah we don't need guns, plus we're not at war, why would we need MAS and GIAT?

>>34701730
This happened from 1994 to 1997. Jacques Chirac wasn't a leftist. In 2001 when the MAS factory was dismanted we weren't governed by leftists. Same applies for Le Mans small bore ammunition factory. Same for bomb shells made by the SAMP, etc etc.

Despite what people think the socialist left in France usually had better results both in national procurement and industrialization plans, as well as export of weapons, compared to the right wing parties who don't give a shit usually.

Which is funny considering how leftists are against weapons and right wing people in favour of more armament.

>Le french paradox honhonhon monsieur croissant baguette

>>34689495
Piston master race.

>>34689495
>HK416
Redpill me on this. If I picked one up would I be able to utilize it exactly like my M16?

>>34689495
Makes joining the FFL that much more attractive.

>>34702017
Pretty much, yeah. Takes you like 5 min to figure out the gas system if you already know the M16-one

>>34691819
Imagine the profit they actually could get for selling them in the US

>>34701210
Hk433 is the new contender meant to replace the g36, isnt it?


For the 416, Ive used both the 16" as a conscript and the 10" as enlisted, very good rifle. Very easy to maintain, but mainly maintains itself. Only times I've had a malfunction was when the mag was busted and doubled fed, and when we were shooting blanks and the recoil enhancer muzzle was loose. All around a good rifle.
Were some rumors that the screw on the handguard could break in cold enviorment, but never happened to me or my buddies at as low as -40, so I dunno how true it is.
One thing you may have to look into is cleaning the inside of the bolt head every 6 months ish. Had a friend who's 416 wouldnt fire because nobody had cleaned the inside of the bolt head for years. It's not standard for conscripts to do it because people are afraid theyll do it in the field and lose the little spring or pin.

Also know our SOF is phasing out the C8 for the 416, but very slowly.

>>34694532
How long do you guys figure before doctrine shifts away from the magwell grip?

>>34694205
It has been intentionally designed to avoid retraining soldiers who are used to the AR15 platform. It has the same ergonomics.

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>>34691753
epic

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>>34691753

Gayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy !!!!!

>>34702442
Fuck off with your dead meme, Dylan.

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>>34702543

No John sorry

>>34689530

my dad , was conscripted for a year and had to use the FAMAS . It was not a reliable weapon , it shooted well , but malfunction happened frequently , and some parts broke a bit too easily , also the mags were not durable .
These malfunction were mostly due to the complexity of the design and the NATo cartridge that was too powerful compared to the rounds the Famas was designated to used.
I also think that weapons given to conscripts for years probably were probably more worned.

>>34702692
What years did he serve, anon? Alot of the issues with the FAMAS was mostly (like you said) because the rifles were beat to shit and worn from years of use without parts replacements (Which is basically the reason why the French had them replaced since their factories were shut down). Last I recall, the magazines were made as a use once and dispose kind of thing (Like the M16A1 during Vietnam at the time), but lo and behold, it did not worked well in practice. Also there wasn't much of a difference in loadings with the M193 cartridges they used. They were more or less the same thing.

>>34702010
That's interesting, but the real question remains: Which of the two favors an armed civilian populace? Or do both of them prefer to keep things with a national police force

>>34702950

The difference between the left and right these days is nonexistent. Deputies pick whatever party will get them elected in their targeted area.


Both largest parties who've been exchanging power for decades are guilty of allowing the massive deindustrialization of France, the privatisation of our infrastructures and the dumbing down of state education.


They all have been weakening the military and law enforcements by reducing both budget and manpower while letting massive amounts of immigrants particularly from Africa colonize French cities.


Both parties are against gun ownership which is strictly regulated and monitored and there is no such thing as armed self defence in France.

Use a gun against someone invading your home and you'll spend ten years in jail like that tabaco merchant who shot a teen nigger who tried to rob his place for the fifteenth time.

If you have a shooting license, your guns must be kept in a safe and if your neighboor wants to fuck with you he can just go to the police and tell them he saw you walking around with your guns. You'll lose your shooting license indefinitely and your guns will be confiscated as well.


That kind of bullshit is why French people don't vote or even bother to register tbw... Macron won something like 66% of votes, but if you take into account the number of people who didn't bother he only was elected by 40% of registered voters.


tl&dr French politicians regardless of political colour are tools of the FMI and basically follow the same policies everytime. No such thing as armed civilian populace for them, only their own guard should be armed.

>>34702905

in the 90's a few years before chirac stopped the conscrition.

>>34702017
yeah but there's no reason to buy one over a high quality AR.

>>34703115
Yikes, what a shame
>>34703136
Yeah, those rifles have certainly gone through alot of use from all the years they've went through.

>>34689530
I thought the ffl was gone after the colonies were given independence

>>34703542
Seriously? Where have you been the past decade.

>>34701724
>implying g36c and k are not height of aesthetics

>>34702010
It all depends on how you view things. In France, Jacques Chirac isn't a leftist, in the US, he would be the most degenerate liberal. Regardless, they all have shitty views regarding the army in general, most of them dodged their compulsory military service, and only wage the occasional war because there's lobbies pressing for it, to pursue their own interests.

Because for sure, not a single representative of the government stood up and said "hey even if we're not at war right now, maybe we will be in the future, and at that time we'll need guns, and thus maybe we should keep a healthy gun industry!"

>>34697417
I cried

>>34698814
Not really
>Trump threatens to end NATO
>p-please N-NATO is indispensable.

>>34689495
>Implying I'd want the Apple Mac of ARs

>>34691819
Dont they have semi auto knockoffs? They might actually be better.

>>34691753
le funny maymay fellow gentleman!

Stop.

>>34703708

Chirac did serve in Algeria though.

>>34702362
>doctrine
There is no doctrine for it. People do it because its the most comfortable way to hold the rifle for long periods of time

>>34689495
Anyone know the make a model of that bayonet and where to get one?

>>34689495
Woodland is really nice

>>34697417
>>34705074
I cried too. 187017, the original raifu.

>>34708747
I just asked a guy who recently was issued a 416F, hope I'll get an answer. It's not the italian extrema ratio bought for the Famas Felin though.

>>34710667
It's centre europe (CE) mate. Not woodland.

>>34702262
No one cares about a small and pathetic country. Fuck off back to Norway. Only Denmark deserves any respect

>>34712571
If i shout at you in German, will you give me your country in less than a day again?

>>34689495
They made the right choice by going HK and not some stupid Belgian or American trash.

>>34708747
http://www.eickhorn-solingen.de/epages/62631327.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/62631327/Products/800108/SubProducts/800108

>>34689495
should have went with a DGI AR but they're on the right track

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>>34708747
>>34712001
there, as >>34712621 said
It's a eickhorn-solingen, the SG2000 WC-F (for "France") model.

http://www.eickhorn-solingen.de/epages/62631327.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/62631327/Products/800125F

295 fucking euros for a bayonet though... 100 euros more than the other models sold by eickhorn-solingen... When we already spent 400 per bayonet with the italian extrema ratio for the Famas FELIN...

You could litterally buy a 416 for the price of 3 of these. Wasted money.
I'm starting to believe someone REALLY loves knives in the DGA (french DARPA).

>>34713369
Top fucking kek, they changed the bayonnet, again? Only a few years after switching to the 350€ Extrema ratio Fullcrum?
Gee, I sure love paying taxes for retarded bullshit, when other countries select new rifles with no bayonnet mount at all.
Sure, that shit is going to look good on some retarded parade while Macron is skydiving onto a submarine.

>>34713369
>400 per bayonet with the italian extrema ratio for the Famas FELIN
Yeah, I never understood why you'd spend so much on a bayonet.

How much does the "revalorisation" of a FAMAS cost?

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>>34694205

Is it your contention that every piston AR isn't an AR?

Because the HK416 is not the first and certainly not the only piston driven AR

>>34713515
>How much does the "revalorisation" of a FAMAS cost

I've heard from unsourcable claims that it was like 1500€ per unit. For a low quality barrel with a 5000 rounds life and some brittle plastic parts. Wouldn't surprise me if that was true, this is Beretta we are talking about. This was when all the money needed to go to Italy, now all the money needs to go to Germany.

>>34691753
Top kek

>the only advantage piston has over DI is when firing suppressed
>even though soldiers aren't equipped with suppressors
>hence why the HK416F doesn't even have a dial on the gas block
>so what was the point of going for a piston system in the first place?
>the whole upper is fully proprietary, so that only HK can supply patent protected spare parts
>then what was the point of selecting an AR15 platform?
>the gun weights 4 fucking kgs, that's heavier than the FAMAS
>how did HK manage to make the gun so fucking heavy, and again, what was the point of selecting an AR platform if it isn't light?

Really activates the almonds, actually.

>>34713653

>must replace Famas
>must please Germany
>must be compatible with US mags and ammo
>must be about same lenght as Famas
>must be able to fire rifle grenades
>must have rails and 40mm UGL

The choice was logical, they could have picked the Belgian gun but then again fuck Belgium. Might as well buy German, and the HK416 was already widely adopted by French special forces.

The end goal of the EU is to create an EU army which would mostly if not entirely be funded by France and Germany.

>>34713546
Hell the H&K website even calls it an AR.

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>>34713653
>>34713929

Every single gun which made it to the final bid were short-stroke piston guns.

Anyway the HK416 14.5" is 3.5kg empty which is lighter than the Famas with its 19.2" barrel.

Moreover HK will have to buy French steel to manufacture their barrels which amount for a third of the unit cost for a HK416.

According to the former lead general of the French army it cost the same price as a single HK416 to replace six Famas F1 magazines.

Moreover the French army has been plagued by logistical problems when they began buying foreign made 5.56 ammo which weren't to Famas specifications and caused malfunctions as well as keyholing.

>>34713929

Honestly they should have gone with LMT

New zealand and the UK seem to like them

>>34714135
>Every single gun which made it to the final bid were short-stroke piston guns.

Irrelevant to my point : France bought an AR that has none of the advantages of an AR.

>Anyway the HK416 14.5" is 3.5kg empty

The weight isn't listed on HK's website, but the military itself says it's 4kg

>Moreover HK will have to buy French steel
Muh French steel folded over one thousand times, top lel.

>According to the former lead general of the French army it cost the same price as a single HK416 to replace six Famas F1 magazines.

Yeah, he's full of shit. He also said buying a firing pin costs 380€. Think about it, if that were true, about how retarded the military is with their spendings. But then again, it's such a retarded and corrupt institution it might very well be true.

>Moreover the French army has been plagued by logistical problems when they began buying foreign made 5.56 ammo which weren't to Famas specifications and caused malfunctions as well as keyholing.

Stop parroting disinformation. The only issue was when a batch of SS109 was ordered, they noticed lower accuracy. Period.

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>>34714135
Should have gone with the tape or the sig desu

>>34713515
>>34713575
what anon said.
And you can add

"and WITHOUT a USGI/Stanag compliant magwell to use AR15 magazines."

Because why change the most shitty part of the Famas F1 with something even remotely relevant which already exists on the Famas G2 so it woul be fucking easy to implement, I ask you ?

No mate it's shit I tell you. Having the 416 is still better than keeping the Famas, sure, but I sincerely hope things will change in France and we'll be there for the next generation of firearms in about 15 years.

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>>34714154

Pretty sure they had some sort of conditions that the weapon was to be made within the EU.

Thales after all is a French "owned" company and they bailed of the initial bid because of some of the conditions the French imposed.

>>34714196

>The weight isn't listed on HK's website

It is. Even their 20" barrel gun isn't that heavy.

>Muh French steel folded over one thousand times, top lel.
>France bought an AR that has none of the advantages of an AR.

Are you being blatantly dense on purpose?

I'm telling you there obviously were economical and political reasons to choosing HK over the other candidates, like using French steel for instance.

Anyway the HK416 has been used by special forces all around the world, including France, and has a good reputation. The upper reciever being propietary sure as hell didn't stop the USMC from adopting the M27 IAR...

>they noticed lower accuracy. Period.

So much the French defence minister had to forbid the use of M193 ammo bought from the UAE in 2k9...

Anyway the SS109 from a 1/12 twist rate barrel will not stabilize properly, it tumbles and keyhole.

That's why they finally ordered barrels from Beretta with a 1/7 twist rate to shoot F5 rounds.

>Yeah, he's full of shit.

Maybe he is, however custom made pieces are very expensive, especially when you buy them ponctually in small batches. No competition and no economy of scales plus an extra whenever it's tax payer money spent, so you end up with a huge bill.

>>34714196
>France bought an AR that has none of the advantages of an AR.
Same ergos, but runs cleaner.

>>34714154
Pretty sure New Zealand didn't even have a field trial for the LMT guns before they adopted it.

>>34714617
>Anyway the HK416 has been used by special forces all around the world, including France, and has a good reputation. The upper reciever being propietary sure as hell didn't stop the USMC from adopting the M27 IAR...

Careful, you don't want to trigger the DI cultists.

>>34713575
>I've heard from unsourcable claims that it was like 1500€ per unit. For a low quality barrel with a 5000 rounds life and some brittle plastic parts.
Really jiggles my puffs.

>>34713369
aren't bayonets with serrations banned by Geneva convention. Not that anyone cares about it in war, but we are talking about France here,

>>34715121
Geneva doesnt regulate such things, the Hague does.