What does /k think of the m9a3?

>>34685263
yawn

>>34685263
I don't

>>34685263
More comfortable than the previous model, but it's expensive as fuck.

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It's pretty nice.

>>34685263
Need it in black, and about $300 cheaper.

>>34685263
i want one

>>34685263
It costs too much, but other than that, it's actually a nice gun.

Why not a frame safety

It's a gun that I like and want, but will never buy. Beretta went "S-see? We can fix the 92FS! Ah fuck you guys, plan B *shits out APX*"
I mean they're selling 24 versions of the 92 right now including the 96 and I'd rather buy 10 of those before I got to the A3.

>>34685397
lmeo that barrel looks like a wooden dowel

>>34685807
Because then it would be nice and easy to use. Can't have that.

>>34685263
I like it but I don't $1,000 like it.

>>34685404
>>34685802

Base 92FS/M9 is about $600

With M9A3 you get Vertec frame with standard frame grip, threaded barrel, dovetailed night sights, beveled mag well, has sand-resistant magazines, can convert between F/G, PVD coating, and still fits most M9A1 holsters all for $900

-Brigadiers, 92A1s, and Inox are $700
-M9A1, Brigadier Inox, and Vertec Inox are $800 IF you can actually find them
-92G-SD are $1000 IF you can find them
-Wilson 92G Brigadier Tactical is $1200

It is a fucking huge deal and honestly the best factory Beretta 92 you can buy. The biggest detractors are autizmos that can have a different color pistol.

I want it in Inox

Just get an AR

>>34685263
not worth the price.

Should've put a frame safety on it.

bout all.

Why does /K/ hate slide safeties? I like them. Does /K/ have manlet thumbs that can't disengage the safety by flicking them upwards a fraction of an inch?

>>34686171
Most of those features you mentioned are already standard on most newer 92 models. Just about everything else besides the Vertec grip can be had on the fairly sizeable aftermarket for the 92. The main draws of the A3 is that it already comes with a threaded barrel and Trijicon sights. Both of these features can be had on newer 92 models for $250 or less. It then becomes a question of whether the potential buyer of an A3 believes it's worth an extra $200 to have everything already installed on the gun.

>>34686377
>Why does /K/ hate slide safeties?
If a gun is designed in a way that justifies a safety, that's fine but I want to naturally rest my thumb on it as part of griping it to shoot, like a 1911. This means frame mounted safeties. Here is why! I carry different guns, some have safeties and some don't. My usual guns don't. So if I have a gun with a safety, I want my grip to "auto-off" the safety or at least make it stupid fast/simple to turn it off if I forget. For this reason frame mounted safeties are far superior and cause a disdain for slide mounted safeties. There are other draw backs as well though. It's possible to accidentally turn on a slide safety when you slingshot the slide and a frame mounted safety thumb rest helps you get your grip really high on the back strap. It's just a superior design... oh and it looks better.

It's on my to-get list

>>34686377
/k/ hates anything that isn't Glock. Then again, /k/ hates Glock.

I came to the conclusion that /k/ isn't the best source of information of firearms.

>>34686171

I just bought a NIB brigadier inox for 700, did I do good?

>>34685263
It exists.

>>34687787
You can get a lot of the features with other guns, but not all of them, and not for a better price. Half the idea behind the gun was using what they already had but it's far from a painted 90-two or G-SD

>>34687829
It's next to impossible to decock or safe the 92 style of safety with trying to or using a clapped out gun. It's also easy as shit to cross train. All you have to do is push your thumb forward instead of up, you can do the same with a 1911.

It's also DA/SA so you don't need the safety at all. I just don't like the look

>>34685263
pretty cool
I'd have one if I wasn't a cuck stater

>>34685397
>dat wear

you're alright

>>34685263
poop colored

I really want to like it since Beretta isn't making any Vertecs at the moment barring that but I do not like spending the extra money on tritium night sights and threaded barrel.

imho, the US military should have started ordering these.

It looks like an excellent pistol and probably the best "primary-ready" pistol out there, if that's your thing. I just wish it had the support to have multiple colors and milled slides. I think Beretta should accept the military will never take another full-sized DA/SA metal gun again and try to corner the tacticool market with this.

>>34689094
That being said, one drawback is the lack of ambi slide release.
>2017
>trying to appeal to the idiot-proof Army
>not making your fancy gun full-ambi
It's not like the 92 line is so small people would notice the added width.

>>34685276
This. I'd rather just get a regular old plain M9. If I wanted tactical I'd get something else

Wish it was in black or inox

>>34688133
>You can get a lot of the features with other guns, but not all of them
All but the swappable grip sizes which really shouldn't matter if you just buy a Vertec or a regular sized frame to begin with.

Like I've already said, the only thing that the A3 brings to the table is the threaded barrel and the sights which can easily be swapped onto newer models for only a couple hundred dollars investment.

>>34685263
I love mine....

I'd buy it in a heartbeat if Beretta ever decides to put it on the industry discount list.

>>34685263
I'm in CA, so if I find one I'm buying and flipping it for double at minimum.

>>34685802
No it doesn't, shitlord.

If they made black and inox versions w optional threaded barrels to pass on customer savings I'd be all over that shit.

After the Model 92 is finally put to rest, will Beretta ever be able to top the aesthetics of the timeless 92?

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It's good.

I have one. It's fun to shoot. That's most important to me. Funability. Plus my friends who don't gun think it's cool and that makes me feel good.

>>34685263
If I wasn't poor relative to the income needed to collect guns at will, I'd buy one.

>>34685397
What in the fuck are you shooting out of that can? That is some seriously intense blowback

>>34685263
People react negatively for the 1000 dollar price tag, but for what you get, it's not bad.

They're very smooth. I would get one if I didn't have 4 other 9mm's and other guns that I wanted to buy.

>>34686377
>disengage the safety by flicking them upwards a fraction of an inch?
you've already fucked up at that point.
>>34688157
this. I shoot 1911s and berettas almost exclusively and the motion to disengage is identical.

I personally find slide mounted saftey/decockers to work just fine just fine.That said, some of them aren't as nice to use as the early gen smiths or the 92s. Like mentioned, the 92 you just need to swipe your thumb downward. Smiths you can generally just push your thumb forward. Al tough others aren't going to be as easy. The PX4 for instance has a smaller saftey lever that seems to sit a little higher IIRC and requires a little more effort to flip, and is impossible to do one handed if you have the low profile levers.

I much prefer them to be decokers only and not saftey/decockers though.

>>34687787

You will not find a new 92 with threaded barrel and trijicon NS for $250 less than the A3.

Why do people cry so much about the slide safety? It's not like anyone whose opinion is worth anything carries a D/A pistol with the saftey on.. If you want to carry cocked and locked just buy a 1911.

And before 'hurr, engaging safety while racking slide'. That is some seriously retarded shit, I have not even once came close to engaging it by mistake.

>>34686377
They hate slide safeties because they were told to hate slide safeties, and have very little experience with firearms to begin with, much less with slide safeties.

>>34696455
>Why do people cry so much about the slide safety?

Because it's easy to complain about things you've never tried, especially on an anonymous image board.

Hear those buzzwords?
>high bore axis
>">slide mounted safety"
>manual safety (you can literally convert it to decock only, this is assuming anyone here knows how to actually use a DA/SA gun properly)

The last point always gets me, people tell me my PX4 I've owned for nearly a year has a dumb manual safety when I bought it as a Type G.

The internet is fucking stupid, and /k/ is not an exception but worse.

>>34696424
That's not even what I'm saying.

You can get a threaded barrel for about $150 and Trijicon sights for about $100 from Brownells. Even if you managed to pay full price for an A1, you're still only spending about $950 for the whole package which is far less than the nearly $1100 MSRP for the A3.

>>34696709
$150 is seriously nothing. Why are you being so cheap?

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>>34696622
>Berettafags in full damage control

Face it, your old shit gun is getting laid to rest.

>>34696756
Because that's $150 that could go towards ammo instead. Guns are more effective when they've got bullets to shoot in case you didn't know....

>>34685263
>>34685263
a meme looking for people dumb enough to pay 5 times waht the current m9a1 one goes for

>>34686377
they are objectively worse than any frame mounted safety and no safety should have to be lifted to be deactivated, it's like the damn Koreans putting the turn signals on the wrong side of the stalk of US production cars.

>>34696798
>I was too fucking stupid to read the thread before shitposting

>>34696709

You're assuming you would pay full price for the A1 and the A3.

The first entry on gunbroker is one for under $900 with a buy it now price, and no bids at $849 (out of stock at most retailers I checked). Nobody pays MSRP for either of them, but a bone stock 92A1 is going to be over $600 the vast majority of the time.

The A3 will have the Vertec frame in addition to the other bells and whistles. It's just the better value.

If you have no use for the night sights or threaded barrel by all means use something different, but if you can make use of the A3, it's also going to hold its value better as a factory gun in factory configuration, if that matters to you.

its like a dinosaur that refuses to go extinct even though the whole world knows hes obsolete

and what happened to the m9a2? how many variations of the beretta 92 have they released without fixing the biggest fucking problem of a slide safety?

its like if ford decided to continue making new and improved versions of the pinto for 20 years with fog lights and rimmed wheels and new colors and all sorts of features but left the shitty gas tank in the same unprotected spot

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>>34696825
Math is not your strong point.
>>34687787
Allegheny Gunworks does grip reductions.

>Decocker-only is the real perfection

>>34696899
my bad i got it confused with the marine version 1911. still a bad buy with the slide mounted safety if intention is anything but a range plinker

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I'm going to have one some day because I've always wanted a Beretta 92 series but I have handlets and the grip is too thiccc to feel good in my hand. When I found out the M9A3 had a skinnier grip I knew I had to get one. Pricey though. Also, does anyone know if you have to run a booster on a suppressor for an M9 since it's not a tilting barrel?

>>34697007
Not needed

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>>34696899
I think you have good photography fundamentals so I hope you don't mid but I did your post work

>>34697007
Spaz out and get a used vertec fagboi. same grip, less jewish price.

That or save you shekels and get the A3

>>34685263

>tfw even the fucking Brazilians figured out the safety / decocker has no business being mounted on the slide and move it to the frame

How has Beretta still not figured it out? Is there a real reason they put it there?

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>>34697078
Not at all. I like the way your work brought out the shape of the slide.

Here's an old one from before the G conversion.

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>>34697133
always easier if there is a centerpiece but let's see what happens.

Doh - lacking a bit the preserved data to really adjust the levels, but it is what it is.

>>34697125
If you bother to look at one, you will notice that the firing pin is actually pressed by a plunger that the hammer strikes. This plunger sits in a cylindrical axel. This axel has the safety levers on both sides. When you press the levers, the plunger is rotated out of line with the firing pin. At the extreme end of the movement, the trigger bar disconnects from the hammer, causing the hammer to fall against the side of the axel.
The safety versions have a detent that cams against the surface of the slide and holds the lever in place. Decocker-only versions have slightly different detents and an additional spring that acts on the levers to flip them back up, which reconnects the trigger bar and aligns the plunger.

>>34697158
Neat.
Sorry about the limited data. These are just random stuff from my Instagram, so they are already filtered and fiddled with.

>>34696857
The first entry on gunbroker is one for under $900 with a buy it now price, and no bids at $849 (out of stock at most retailers I checked).
>bone stock 92A1 is going to be over $600 the vast majority of the time.
You're comparing the used price of an A3 with the NIB price of an A1. Of course, they'll be closer to each other. If you want to compare used prices on gunbroker, there're a few A1 on there listed for $450 or less.

>The A3 will have the Vertec frame in addition to the other bells and whistles.
There are no other bells and whistles. That's the core of my argument: You can get just about everything the A3 has on a newer 92 model for less money.

>>34692629
>archer in the background
i see you

>>34697393

The more desirable vertec frame, g style decocker (or rather easily convertible safety/decocker), larger magazine release button, slightly extended mag well, and it also has a dovetail for the front sight, as opposed to the normal front sights. Also the decocker lever is slightly moved.

I'm not sure why you keep suggesting over and over that the M9A3 does not have anything over the normal A1. They may not be important improvements or changes to you, but the handgun does have updates and is a good value. That doesn't mean you can't put most of these things on an A1, but you can't buy it in factory config and will probably spend more- and again, the frame geometry is different, which much like how some people buy S-style glocks, matters to some people.

>>34685263
Should be the "new" pistol but Sig lobbied more

>>34696899
>Allegheny Gunworks

Is that pic a product of their grip work?

>>34696709
You can't get a threaded barrel for 150

>>34697727
It is not. That is a 2003 production Vertec. I have seen some of their work, and I would put it up against anyone.

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>>34697589
I suspect you already know this, but for the general audience, it is worth remembering that the m9a1 and the 92a1 are somewhat different.

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>>34697976
the original 92 with frame mounted safety was a home run. why they fucked up their design, we will never know

>>34698402
Requests from Italian law enforcement and some other early adopters. Slide mounted safeties make a lot of sense from a mechanical standpoint, and were quite common at the time.

>>34688099

Hell yeah my dude

>>34688665
Beretta has the Vertec Inox in production, but it's limited along with the whole moving to TN from MD while still being overseen by Beretta Italy.

>>34696798
>He thinks the P320/XM17 is actually going to replace the Beretta M9
>He also thinks the M9 sucks because the .mil refused all the upgrades except the FS update.

>>34696806

The M9A3's street price is $900, and the only similar pistols are the WC 92GBrigTac and the 92G-SD which are both more expensive than the M9A3.

Hell, the standard 92 still has an integral front sight, and you can't just simply add night sights along with Trijicon refusing to relamp because new nuke material regulations.

So at best, you have to buy a 92A1, Brigadier for dovetail sights which is already $200 more expensive than a base 92FS

tl;dr M9A3 is still the "best buy" Beretta when you factor everything in.

>>34697404
Yeh, it's alright for what it is.. I enjoy it to just relax before bed.

>>34696972

>Slide mounted levers are just for the range
> PP, PPK, P-38, S&W Autos, Makarovs, Berettas, and the such are just range toys and haven't put people in the ground.

You realize how fucking stupid that sounds? Not everything is a goddamn 1911.

>>34698402
>>34698745

Let's not forget that plenty of service pistols had slide controls prior to firearm instructors on the internet.

>>34699132
Let's also not forget that until the early 2000's pistol techniques were trapped in the stone age.

Cool gun, has no place or proficiency or strength in the modern armament.

>>34699092
>guns that went the way of the dodo

yeah theres a reason those guns were replaced son. remember when we used to train our troops to shoot handguns like this https://youtu.be/Ro7N7dAmjLY

technology and tactics evolve

>>34699163
>>34699828
Your timeline is a little off.
If you are interested in the history of pistol technique, I suggest looking into Colonel Jeff Cooper.

>>34700166
I think you meant hackathorn, cooper was a brainless face and y'all know it. So what's the magic intermediate step we missed?

a walther p38 modernized.

not as good as a CZ75

Are there any silencers built for the 92 or any other non-short recoil pistols that don't need a Neilsen Device? Specifically, any that are either shorter or can allow more space for baffling because of it?

>>34685263
Shit color. Also should put safety on frame finally. Hue monkeys did it more than 3 decades ago so it's not like it's undoable..

>>34696798
idiot

>>34685807
Get an original 92 or a Taurus.

>>34697957

Funny you mention them; I actually live about 20 minutes away from their headquarters, just outside Pittsburgh.

Having a 92 with a frame-mounted safety and vertec grip sounds appealing as all fuck.