Where were you when Antonov was kill?

>>34684458
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>>34684458
F.
That is sad.

The Cuckraine killing more of its industry?

How shocking. Those subhuman hohols allways fuck shit up and now they killed Antonov in their eternal ineptitude...

F.

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>>34684458
>>34684467
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>>34684485

now i impulsively want to buy a personal AN2

>>34684467
as a kid I saw an an-225 at an airshow at rickenbacker afb in columbus, oh. at first i thought it was a hangar.

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fuck..

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>>34684458
An-22. The plane that outlived its own design bureau. Still in production, despite everything else.

Stupid cucks

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>>34684458

Damn. Normally we spend all day bashing vatniks but this is a sad thing desu

>>34685752

Can the Cuckrainians be considered Vatniks aswell?

Antonov isn't killed, it will live on in China.

Antonov is being essentially wholesale shipped to China. An An-124 and An-225 facility housing some 2000 Ukrainians including their families is being set up in Weinan, Shaanxi, just outside of Xian, while another facility for An-70, etc. will be set up in Chongqing.

http://micetimes.asia/antonov-leaked-to-the-chinese-russian-engines-are-no-longer-needed/

>>34685781
LMAO

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http://www.antonov.com/news/520
This just says it was a left over business name being done away with. It's not interfering with their services.

>>34685781
China strong.

No, actually expected, seeing that they have a long working relationship with Antonov and also bought the An-224 as well.

>>34686160
What? China operates Il76s

>>34686231
Y-20 was developed with Antonov help, and China also is built the An-224 tech as well as the unfinished second frame.

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>>34685368
>NATO reporting name "Cock"

>>34684458

>"Ukraine"

Fucking failed state should be dissolved and absorbed into Russia/Poland accordingly.

>>34686686
>Implying Russia/Poland isnt failed states too

>>34685368
There is one at my local Aerospace Museum, it's a beauty to behold.

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Unfortunately, that was to be expected. Post-URSS Ukraine has show itself to be idiotically incompetent in administering its aerospace industry and managing is vast airforce assets left behind by the Russians. Had they taken proper care of their Airforce in the post-soviet years, they would have crushed the Novorossyian rebels before the Russians could even think about sending them military aid.

>>34684458
F uck you Putin.
>>34685781
Thank you.Laughing at chicoms will help soothe the pain.

Shame. I really enjoyed my flights in an An-24. Shit was loud but comfy af

>>34686855

If you want to blame a leader of a country, blame Poroshenko, not Putin.

Its him that is killing Antonov, not Putin.

>>34686485
You mean the An-225?

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Damn shame. Russia is going to buy 60 of this but Ukraine debacle happen

>>34686849
Wat. The ex-russian hardware in Ukraine were already rusting prior to the USSR breakup. When Russia could not even maintain it, what chance the Ukraine?

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>>34685779
fatniks I guess

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>>34684948

It's all ukraine fault for selling all the Antonov tech to china and make russian angry.

Just sell your country to china already because there's no way you can into EU.

>>34684458
F-UCK
threads like this always kill my vibe.

>>34684458
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>>34687796
Maybe if that manlet cunt wasn't trying to annex Ukraine for his shitty warmonger oil oligarchy, then he might not have had to shut it down.

>>34691607
external enemies, in all your economy failures you should blame external enemies

alternatively you can blame jews

>>34684458
Fucking hell, what's happening to the Slavic Aerospace industry? They used to be able to design things on par with the US, and now they're struggling to keep themselves alive, let alone being able to produce any new hardware in bulk.

This is Fairchild Republic all over again!

>>34691645
>They used to be able to design things on par with the US

building things to the same level of quality was a different matter, however

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>>34684458
I bet Putin did this.

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>>34691645
It's being intentionally dismantled to provide less competition to Airbus / Boeing

>>34691645
No costumer. Antonov biggest customer is Russia. You know because crimea and shit, Ukraine embargo Russia and Lost their primary and Biggest costumer then the're moving to second biggest costumer which is china. But china keep ToT, Reverse enginering, Licensing and ask antonov to work for them. So here now Antonov ded. Putin doesnt even need to do anything because he busy in ME and embargo from EU and US.

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>>34687796
See >>34688441
>>34691645
Slavic aerospace was always behind the west.But now they have new problems
>The brain drain became even worse
>China can do everything they do,but cheaper
>Russian electronics suck.Wasn''t a problem in the 50-60s,but after F-16 and Viggen every new fighter is a computer with wings.
>Russian build quality and aftersale support is horrible.pic related.Also this:
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/algeria-returns-faulty-mig-29s-221771/
>Russia is bankrupt.Can't sustain an industry if you can't buy its products.
>Reputation tarnished by poor service record scares new customers
>>34691953
As if it could compete with them.

>>34685039
>oh. at first i thought it was a hangar.
Easy mistake to make, damn thing is larger then most hangars at my local airfield.

>>34692188
>Antonov biggest customer is Russia.
Almost all Antonov aircraft that have been built for Russia, or anybody else, since 1991 have been built by plants in Russia like Avistar-SP and VAPO. The Karkiv and Kiev plants have built less than 10 aircraft in the last 5 years.

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>>34684458
Damn, this is sad...

I saw An-225 once in Frankfurt, it was amazing.

Back in the day Russians was able to design aircrafts on par with US, and now they going out of business like some kind of restaurant chain.

Well, say whatever about chinks stealing and copying stuff, but at least work of russian engineers will live on and not rust on backyard.

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It was inevitable honestly. Slavic air manufacturers can't compete commercially with western and zip companies and only survived through government money(in this case Russia's money). Ukraine isn't in the state to fund the company. Idk why retards are blaming it when Russia was Antonovs only costumer.
>>34692248
Big planes take a long time to build.

>>34692248
Avistar-SP only provided Upgraded for An-124 to An-124 Version 100 and 150 that only used by Russian Air Force, Avistar do not manufacturing other version of An-124. Only VASO that manufacturing almost all Component for An-148 (I think about 70% or more). The rest of the plane build by the Antonov Plant. The karkiv planes can only build less than 10 Aircraft because they can only build that much. But i hear they already upgrade it so it can increased their production but what the point now.

My point is even if ukraine manufacturing all the component but if no one buy the plane where they going to get the money?
Only russia using their plane the most even more than they're.
Where they going to sell their plane now?

>>34692398
>Big planes take a long time to build.
An-178 and An-178 prototypes are not big. Aviastar in Ulyanovsk has built all recent An-124s.

>>34684458
antonov?


n-no

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>Antonov State Company continues to function as an enterprise.

what does it mean?

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>>34692226
Algeria return those mig-29 then decide to buy su-30 and so you're exaggerating about the state of their industry

>>34684458
It's just getting partly dismantled and re-nationalized. It will continue to exist under Ukrineoboron or whatever that xboxhueg arms company was called. They still have deals for An-132/178s with the Saudis.

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>>34692355
>Ukrainians cut ties with Russia, ruin Antonov
>It's Russia's fault

>>34684467
What the fuck did russians steal space shuttle?

>>34684458
shitty russian plane no one cares fuck off

>>34692499
It means Chingchongs are going to buy out all their intellectual property

>>34685781
>Antonov isn't killed, it will live on in China.

Nothing new in Ukraine gutting it's industries and selling tech and expertise to China. There had to be actual winner in Ukrainian crisis and Chinks seem to be it.

>>34694961

Buran is quite different design inside, quite a lot smarter design as it doesn't have main engines on the shuttle.

From program point of view Buran was a dumpster fire on gargantuan scale. Soviet military wanted a shuttle because US military was involved in shuttle program, as congress in its infinite wisdom forced military and NASA to cooperate on that program. As result US shuttle became too big machine when compared to NASA's initial plans, that ruined the economic aspects of the program for civilian use. Yet, spy satellites almost immediately grew too big for the shuttle. But as US military and intel agencies had re-usable space launch vehicle, their Soviet counter parts need one as well. After Soviet Union collapsed Buran was quickly cancelled to cut costs of Russian Space program.

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>>34694950

I'd cut ties with the country that invaded mine, too.

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>>34694950
>Russia invades the country that produces their planes and engines
>Ukraine's fault

>>34692499
It means that Antonov is still around, just that the name that a few properties was under isn't being used any more since its holdings were sold away two years ago.
tldr antonov is still around.

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>>34696393

>as congress in its infinite wisdom forced military and NASA to cooperate on that program

Well, if NASA hoped to get funding for some brand new space travel tech, since this was during the 1970s Stagflation, it needed some help with funding, so they made it a DoD project.

One thing about the Buran is that it didn't replace any existing Soviet launch platforms. It was just one me program stacked on top of the Soyuz, Mir, and Solyut. As you had already mentioned, the Soviet economy and government funding was on the decline, and after the Russian Federation succeeded the old Soviet Union, economics got even worse in the 90s, and the Buran was quickly killed with 5 prototypes built.

Sadly enough, one of the abandoned hangars collapsed in 2002 and destroyed the only model that made flight.

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>>34684458
>Last year, the Ukrainian government forced the Design Bureau to terminate all contractual obligations with the Russian company United Aircraft Corporation (UAC), reports RT.
>Reports RT
Is this true? None of the Industry news sources I have subscriptions to are reporting this.

>>34698646

Buran would have been heavily utilized with Mir and other medium to all but heaviest satellite/probe launches. Also the launcher for Buran, the Energia could have been used for very heavy launches as stand alone launcher.

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>>34701192
it actually was used twice. The second launch was the (successful) Buran test flight, the first the failed poljus launch. The Energija launcher worked just fine, but the poljus payload which was mounted bottom up didn't turn correctly and fired its engine retrograde, thus never achieving orbital velocity.

While buran was quite neat the death of Energija is way sadder in my opinion. Such a capable launch vehicle, and they even had plans for recoverable boosters. The boosters alone were so big that after the fall of the USSR the design was slightly modified in ukraine and fielded as the Zenit launch vehicle.

Threads about post USSR aviation/space programs are always so fucking depressing

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>>34698505
>>34698581
>>Russia invades

Still, no one, including Europoors and US confirmed the invasion. Hohol, please...

>>34686773
Funny thing, it is still being produced and modernised by Russians. And fuck the Ukrain, this bird will live.

>>34704708
Putin admitted there were Russians there.
Also, how do you account for the dead Russian service men who have died in Ukraine?

>>34704762
died on vacation. Probably a car crash. Sad things happen all the time

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>>34704708

I'll take personal incredulity for $600, Alex.

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>>34684458
Mfw I'll never fly Soviet weapons into africa

>>34704790
never seen so much food before :^)

>>34704708

Vatnik please.

>>34704786
Fuck, i wish i could go on vacation with my tanks as well. Would make summer so much better

>>34684458
Eu should have invested giving them time and money to develop tooling for the parts delivered from russia. this would enable them to get viable transport planes and spare parts from ukraine. Now we have the A 400 which is more expensive and probably still not functioning. what a waste.

>>34706582
it's about subventioning national companies to keep them afloat, not about getting the best deal. Look at what happened to the british and french small arms industry after their governments started shopping elsewhere

>>34706582
>Eu should have invested
phh
eu is interested to ruin their economy to get another source of cheap labour like poland except cheaper

>>34706692
yes but they could have even made EADS cooperate with Antonov. them delivering airframes and EADS building better turbines and what not. this would have benefited both and strenghtend trade relations. A few years ago members of the german party even suggested buying antonov planes for the bundeswehr but it didnt happen because of the russian made spare parts.

>>34706783
yeah they already gave them free visas. i doubt this will work in the long run tho.

>>34706797
governing party*

>>34706797
better to just have airbus do the whole job. The EU doesn't give a shit about ukraine, especially now that the important parts belong to russia or are devastated by civil war

>>34707029
yeah just look at the great job they are doing: a400m can move shit and crashed, tiger crashed.

>>34707056
so what? The companies are still alive, target achieved. It will eventually fly in half a decade and be 110% over budget and no one will give a shit because we're in peacetime and don't really need any of that stuff all that much

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>the an-2 live on

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>>34707218
china has some interest in building this abomination

>>34704762

Yeah, a few advisers does not make an invasion, retard.

There wasn't a single cruise missile strike or airstrike used.

Don't use the word invasion ever again to refer to this conflict.

If anything, Russia made some small unit incursions to support the separatists.

china will pick it up

>>34707327
there are some claims that russians shot down some ukraine aircraft but they are imo questionable since rebels have a lot of sams

>Ukrainian Air Force – 16 July 2014: A Ukrainian Sukhoi Su-25 was shot down over eastern Ukraine, and the pilot ejected successfully. National Security Council spokesman Andriy Lysenko said that it was shot down by a missile fired from a Russian Sukhoi Su-27.[20][21]

>Ukrainian Air Force – 23 July 2014: Two Sukhoi Su-25 strike fighters were shot down in the rebel-held area of Savur-Mohyla. Ukrainian authorities claimed that they were hit by long-range anti-aircraft missiles launched from Russia.[22][23] Ukrainian Prime Minister, Arseniy Yatsenyuk, said later in an interview that one of the fighters was probably shot down by an air-to-air missile.[24]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ukrainian_aircraft_losses_during_the_Ukrainian_crisis

>>34707327
>Yeah, a few advisers does not make an invasion, retard.
That's debatable, but then again they didn't just send advisors:
https://www.bellingcat.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/RussiasWarinUkraine_TheMedals_and_TreacherousNumbers-4.pdf

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2016/07/04/russias-200th-motorized-infantry-brigade-donbass-tell-tale-tanks/

Russian blog where above was originally from: http://sled-vzayt.livejournal.com/4624.html
>There wasn't a single cruise missile strike or airstrike used.
They honestly might not have been able to even if they wanted to, considering their performance in the 2008 war with Georgia.
>Don't use the word invasion ever again to refer to this conflict.
Invasion
>If anything, Russia made some small unit incursions to support the separatists.
By the regular Russian Army.

>>34707551
>Russian blog where above was originally from: http://sled-vzayt.livejournal.com/4624.html

so basically all your source is a single livejournal blog?

>They honestly might not have been able to even if they wanted to, considering their performance in the 2008 war with Georgia.

a mad ukrop is mad. according to the wikipedia russia won that war in 5 days capturing ~65 georgian tanks and destroying more than half a dozen of their aircraft on the cost of about 6 aircraft and 3 tanks

also when even rebels shot down half of your country aviation...

>>34684458
UkrAF had over 150 Mig-29s back in 1995, yet current-day sources post their numbers at about only 25. What the fuck happened?

>>34707625
>so basically all your source is a single livejournal blog?
Yes, it is. Is there anything that detracts from the validity of it? It has the positions to the very meter where Russian tanks were at the time.

>a mad ukrop is mad.
I'm not Ukrainian.

>according to the wikipedia russia won that war in 5 days capturing ~65 georgian tanks and destroying more than half a dozen of their aircraft on the cost of about 6 aircraft and 3 tanks
Yes, but they really didn't do that well. Their Air Force was forced to fly missions in day, in good weather and even then their effectiveness was very limited. Also, the proof of Russian ineffectiveness is in the pudding. They lost a strategic bomber that had been converted to flying stand-off ELINT. Hardly flying in the weeds.

>also when even rebels shot down half of your country aviation...
...and a passenger plane full of people.

>>34707654
no money dude
they also had tu160s tu 22ms tu95s tu22s
nukes and a slava class cruiser

>>34707668
And a carrier.

>>34707327
>If anything, Russia made some small unit incursions to support the separatists.
Nigga, there are BUK batteries operated by Russian military personnel in Hohol territory.

>>34707682
they have sold their carrier to china and chinks cheated them too

>>34698505
>invaded
>>34698581
>Russia invades
Things that never happened.
>>34704762
Where? In Crimea? they have been there for centuries. You can't invade your own military base.
>>34704790
>B-b-b-b-b-b-b-UT MUH CRIMEA
Russian military was there for centuries. Crimea has seceded from Ukraine before its accession to Russia. It wanted to ever since Ukraine left USSR, as it was proven by their own initiatives and countless polls.

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>>34707551
>They honestly might not have been able to
Nigga, you will have to try harder than this.

>>34707883
>Where? In Crimea? they have been there for centuries. You can't invade your own military base.
Typical vatnik distraction intentional misunderstanding. This is a reason why russians have such a be reputation, but they are to dump and arrogant to see that their intentional bad behaviour could lead to some backlash.

>>34707883
>Where? In Crimea? they have been there for centuries. You can't invade your own military base.
Yes in Crimea. While you are correct that Russia has had service members there since the collapse, they (Russian military outside of Crimea) took over the entirety of Crimea.
>You can't invade your own military base.
You're right, but you can invade the country they're stationed in.
>Crimea has seceded from Ukraine before its accession to Russia. It wanted to ever since Ukraine left USSR, as it was proven by their own initiatives and countless polls.
So when are the elections in Chechnya going to happen? What about Karelia?
Also, the Baltic states had wanted to seceded from the USSR ever since they were occupied and illegally annexed.

>>34707957
>illegally annexed
they illegally seceded from the russian empire to begin with

btw finland is our clay too as well as poland

>>34707883
Your russian arrogance and ignorance will one day have dire consequences for your country, but it will be justified and no one will mind it, since it is desereved.

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>>34707944
>BUT
>MUH
>CRIMEA
Every poll ever. Deal with it.

>>34707898
>Nigga, you will have to try harder than this.
Sure, what point of this do you want to talk about? The RuAF performed very poorly during that war. So much so that it was eventually relegated to a role on the peripheral. The Georgian military caused significant losses to the Russians. Not only that, but the Ukrainian military is much more capable (relatively).

>>34707990
>implying russians actually give a fuck about what people want and not just say this matters now since it suits them
Siberia independence now!

>>34707991
i gave you the numbers, i wouldn't call it very poorly albeit it could be better ofc

btw it was 9 years ago and it seemingly got better since then if we consider syria

>>34685781
Are they planning to actually still run with it and continue to build and sell aircraft, or is this just so they can maintain the aircraft China's bought from them?

>>34707983
>they illegally seceded from the russian empire to begin with
So in this Topsy-turvy world Russia can take territory it deems as "Russian" but if other states leave over 400 years ago it's not allowed?
>btw finland is our clay too as well as poland
No to Finland and doubly no to Poland.

>>34707990
Without UN observers btw
https://www.un.org/press/en/2014/sc11328.doc.htm
>OCTAVIO ERRÁZURIZ (Chile), describing the referendum as unconstitutional, said there was need to restore the rule of law and to respect Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity, in keeping with the United Nations Charter. Regarding human rights, he expressed regret that the Assistant Secretary-General and observers had been prevented from entering Crimea, while voicing concern over ethnic minorities, including the Tatars, who had started moving to other parts of Ukraine. It was imperative that the Security Council contribute in ensuring moderation on both sides, he said, calling upon Ukraine and the Russian Federation to refrain from further actions so as to prevent the escalation of tensions.

>>34707957
It is always astonishing to debate with vatniks, they are so openly shity behaving in a discussion and at the same time demand to be taken serious and repected. No matter how often you show them they are wrong, it never matters, but when you got something even unrelated wrong, you instantly lost all arguements in their head.

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>>34707957
>they (Russian military outside of Crimea)
Russia has never went over the limit of what could be legally stationed there.
>you can invade the country they're stationed in
Gee, good that Crimea seceded from Ukraine then.
>So when are the elections in Chechnya going to happen?
They already happened. Dumb frightened peasants keep supporting Putin.
>What about Karelia?
What about it?
>Baltic states
*Baltic limitrophes.
>had wanted to seceded from the USSR
More like wanted to access to USSR.
>ever since they were occupied and illegally annexed
More like ever since they returned to their legal owner - Russia.

>>34707990
Can parts of Crimea who dont want to be part of Russia be part of Ukraine again? No? What a big suprise.

>>34685039
>Rickenbacker

Hello fellow Ohiofag.

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>>34708014
>Siberian separatism

>>34708051
>>you can invade the country they're stationed in
>Gee, good that Crimea seceded from Ukraine then.
World get ready, the moment Russia is at its weakest, let parts of it seced and then make it part of your country, russians are okay with this.

>>34708023
>i gave you the numbers, i wouldn't call it very poorly albeit it could be better ofc
Yes you did, but they were unnecessary because I already knew them. But the fact that they lost a strategic bomber is quite telling and the fact that they're CAS aircraft couldn't perform their jobs except in perfect conditions is embarrassing.

>btw it was 9 years ago and it seemingly got better since then if we consider syria
Not really, pictures and videos from the planes show they're using iPads and store bought GPS' to navigate with. Not to mention they can't employ PGMs except in a few cases.

>>34708063
You really think Siberia wants to waste all its resources on some corrupt west Russia, that treats them like an ATM? If a real chance is given, they would go for independence.

>>34708063
>Siberian separatism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberian_regionalism#Federalization
>In 2014, an artist, Artyom Loskutov, wrote about an idea to create a Siberian Republic within the Russian Federation[9] and attempted to organize a mock demonstration called Monstration for Siberian Federalisation to take place on August 17 in Novosibirsk. Russian authorities banned the march and attempted to censor media coverage about the event, citing a recently passed law against "calls to mass unrest, extremist activities or participation in illegal public events." The purpose of the protest was to "ridicule the Kremlin's hypocrisy in the Annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation" and to raise awareness about politics in Siberia. Western Siberia provides most of Russia's oil and gas, but the region gets very little benefit since the taxes go to Moscow.[10] BBC Russian Service reported about this and were subsequently blocked

>>34708051
>Russia has never went over the limit of what could be legally stationed there.
That's true they kept to those. Then the invaded Ukraine. The funny thing is that they did all this shit to shore up their flank and secure their port, but if they had approached the Ukrainian government as equals, none of this shit would have happened to Russia in the first place.

>Gee, good that Crimea seceded from Ukraine then.
After they intervened.

>What about it?
Hold local elections, from what I understand, there is still a very active Finnish population there.
>*Baltic limitrophes.
Baltic sovereign states.
>More like wanted to access to USSR.
Not even, but if you invade and kill all local government and replace them with Russians who have something to gain, then yeah i guess.
>More like ever since they returned to their legal owner - Russia.
No, most countries and organizations deem USSR occupation of the Baltic nations as illegal and not justified.
>They already happened. Dumb frightened peasants keep supporting Putin.
More like Putin pays a strong man so it doesn't chimp out again and show the inability of the Russian military, again.

>>34708051
>Gee, good that Crimea seceded from Ukraine then.
You mean when unmarked russian soldiers and special forces took over ukraine supporting government buildings, should we add this just to the still larger getting list of things that should be done against russia, since they are fine with it?

>>34708203
Man, you can argue about "muh russian soldiers" as much as you like, but you cannot do shit like that without wide support from locals. Crimea and eastern ukrainian regions have never been an actual part of the Ukraine before communists.

>>34710374
>Crimea and eastern ukrainian regions have never been an actual part of the Ukraine before communists.
Neither has Transnistria, but that doesn't stop Russia from chimping out every time Romania asks to have their stolen land back.

>>34685781
That probably isn't the smartest move for a Ukraine trying to get into the western bloc.
If they ever actually managed it 5-10 years down the road - entry into EU and NATO, they could have filled a vital niche developing cargo aircraft.
It seems every NATO member uses old crusty prop powered C-130's, or Alenia G.222/ C-27 Spartans, with a few using the more capable jet powered C-160 Transall. None of them have any strategic airlift capability besides the UK - C-17's are ungodly expensive and production has stopped since 2015.

They keep talking about a EU army but none of the EU has strategic airlift capability.

>>34686849
Honestly the further ukraine gets along the further I realize an independent ukraine was a mistake

>>34691953
Airbus only makes a (better) C-130 competitor.

Antonov provides heavy strategic airlift. That capability is going to China.

The EU want's to develop an independent army, it's going to need airlifters.

>>34707944
The problem is from a Russian point of view, Ukraine is Russia. Russia's entire history/peoples/etc are descendant from the Kievan Rus, and Crimea and eastern ukraine was a part of Russia even in the past before the USSR/etc when Ukraine was independent.

Access to the Black Sea is too vital for Russia.

>>34708058
The problem is such a thing doesn't exist. Crimea during the Soviet era was packed with soviet navy, their families, Soviet air force, their families, etc.
Hell when the USSR broke up some Russian troops suddenly found themselves in the Ukranian army ffs.
The bases in the Crimea took in and reassigned Russians that were stationed in units in Ukraine that fell under the Ukranian army, and their families followed.
There is also the factor that when Ukraine was an independent state in the past Crimea was still a part of Russia

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>>34684458
>>34698728
>http://www.antonov.com/news/520
>Following the recent announcement from the Government of Ukraine to liquidate the entity ANTONOV State CONCERN, we would like to provide clarity of this legal formality.

>ANTONOV State CONCERN consisted of three enterprises: ANTONOV State COMPANY, Kharkiv State Aircraft Manufacturing Company (KSAMC) and State enterprise Plant 410 of Civil Aviation. In 2015, aiming to increase efficiency of the aircraft industry, the Government of Ukraine took the decision to pass these three separate enterprises (ANTONOV State COMPANY, KSAMC and State enterprise Plant 410 of Civil Aviation) under management of UKROBORONPROM State Concern. Thereafter ANTONOV State CONCERN has remained as a residual entity which is now being formally liquidated.

>We would wish to assure you that ANTONOV State COMPANY continues to do business as normal. It continues to provide the full spectrum of aircraft development – from pre−project scientific researches to construction, tests, certification, serial production and after−sale maintenance. ANTONOV State COMPANY’s production continues to be represented under ANTONOV brand and our unique and pioneering airline ANTONOV AIRLINES continues to be world leader in the heavy−lift air cargo market.

So basically this is an organisational formality being drummed up by Russian propagandists and their legion of drooling useful idiots as something of importance.

>>34684458
WATCH THE FAKE: RUSSIAN MEDIA SOUNDED ABOUT “THE END OF UKRAINIAN AVIATION INDUSTRY”

However, the elimination of the concern “Antonov” held in the framework of the reorganization of enterprises that were part of it. We are talking about enterprises: state enterprise “Antonov”, “Plant 410 civil aviation”, “Kharkiv state aviation production enterprise”. Them even in 2015, the government handed over management of the state concern “Ukroboronprom”. Since then, Antonov has increased its income by 4 times.

“The Antonov company continues working normally. On the market the company’s products, as before, presented under the brand Antonov “, – said the press service of the company.

>>34711116
crimea used to be turkish clay but was taken by russia in the 18th century, it has nothing to do with kiev rus etc hence it's special status

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Daily reminder that most of Russia is rightful Mongolian clay.

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>>34711499
Lost clay doesn't count as rightful

It makes me sad that the A400M was chosen over this sexy beast. Not only would it have saved the AN-70 program, but it may have even saved the company as a whole after ties with Russia were severed.

>>34711499
Make Mongolia Great Again!

>>34684458
Ahhhh, these kind of thread
>vatniks vs fatniks
>meanwhile chinks silently buys and strip russians stuffs
>no need to mobilize 50cent because its not needed

Enjoy your demise, China will grow larger.

>>34711852
you won't grow larger using monkey models

>>34711852
>>vatniks vs fatniks
>implying that there is a noticeable fatnik problem here compared to the vatniks ravaging
kys

It is really uncanny how we can see the second something is about negative russian stuff, there is always seems to be a group trying to push a
>everyones doing it
>russians arent the main problem here
vibe, which is unseen when it is about other nations.

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>>34684458
Ukrainian monkeys can not work without a Boss.
And the USA does not like competitors.

>>34711973
this is some hobo aesthetics

>>34711947

>implying that there is a noticeable fatnik problem here compared to the vatniks ravaging

All I see is mostly burgers and /pol/ fagging things up in /k/

>>34711233
thank you! .

>>34712115
Then you are deluded. And by the way only most idiotic vatniks started fatniks, actually they enforced it with endless repeating and throwing it around at every chance given no matter if it was appropriate, but this already seems to be enough to make other idiots follow their lead.

>>34710453
After Romania sided with Germany in WW2 and lost?

>>34712115
>/pol/
Are fatniks now? They are rather busy sucking russian cock like candy.

>>34712168
>projecting this hard

Friendly reminder we'd rather end civilization with nukes than "return" Crimea to "Ukrainian" subhumans.

>>34684458

actually the compan still lives in Russia. but under different name. i will not surprise when ukrainian jews will just sell the companies name to russians and those will revive it for small cargo planes.

also here some siberian rap fuckers.

https://youtu.be/tJDDK3SitGg

>>34712435
>using a insult worst of vatniks forced here
>nothing wrong with that
Whats next? We parrot /pol/s latest brainfarts?

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>>34708107
>You really think Siberia wants to waste all its resources on some corrupt west Russia

wait.. did this nigger just called "russians wasting recources on themself"?

ayyyiiiuuu lmaoo...

https://youtu.be/tJDDK3SitGg

https://youtu.be/xgMg9FkFriI

https://youtu.be/B60x3JRHCu0

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

FAT AMERICAN SUCKEEEEERRRR!!!

>>34689993
Where the fuck did did all these Russia shills come from? Is it because k loves aks?

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>>34712806

dunno. maybe europe went back to eurasian home?

maybe the are just feed up the nazi shit USa are feeding them since WW2.


https://youtu.be/FuAo8jZkAwE

>>34712786
>wait.. did this nigger just called "russians wasting recources on themself"?
No, are you dumb?
It means they provide the resources Russia sells and uses, while they dont even get a quarter back, since it all gets robbed by money holes like Moscow, corrupt government, state mafia clan buissness men, etc. No wonder Russia is in such a bad shape, when you cant even interpret a simple post that easy.

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>>34712908
>No

then SHUT THE FUCK UP!!

https://youtu.be/Fhl4L1xkTXQ

Independent States of Siberia when?

>>34712170
Yes, after the Soviet Union grabbed their land.

>>34684458
>>34684948
The Antonov is basically a giant waste of money and full of debt. Plus other companies already make better planes at less cost.

>>34712924
There is being just a little bit stupid and then there is being you.

>>34712806
It's Mongolianon.